Scapegoats A Thru D
by Tom Ziller on Jan 21, 2009 6:27 AM PST
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Everyone wants to blame someone after last night's brutal loss. And yes -- that was brutal. Never mind that Denver is good; Sam Amick of The Bee describes the littany of conditions that should have given Sacramento a chance. But this is a rare occasion in which I don't totally agree with Amick's analysis of the problems that led to the loss.
Amick cites Kevin Martin's shooting: 8-of-19. Martin had 25 points. His True shooting percentage was 59% ... which is his season average and one of the best in the league among top scorers. Among 20 ppg scorers this season, only Amare Stoudemire, Chris Paul and Carlos Boozer (in limited minutes) score more efficiently. Martin was damn efficient on offense. Most teams that watch their top scorer throw in 25 points on 21 shooting possessions -- that's a game that should be competitive. When Martin has an average-for-him game, his offense is not the problem. (And let's not forget that Renaldo Balkman, while a half-step or so slower than Dahntay Jones, is a defensive role player.)
Brad Miller gets a mention in Amick's story, and Sam does admit this was B-52's worst outing of the season. ...
...
That's a far bigger reason for the loss than Kevin Martin's offense. And we all know this. And while no one wants Miller's trade value as high as possible more than I (except Spencer Hawes, perhaps), it needs to be shouted from a mountaintop that Miller was simply awful. Uninterested on the defensive end, unwilling to move, pass or shoot on offense, unable to keep up once the Nuggets started to run. He was a disaster wearing concrete blocks for sneakers, completely outplayed by every other big that saw playing time -- Chris Andersen, Kenny Thomas, Mikki Moore ... all of them.
In Amick's story, Kenny Natt says this:
"Somewhere, some way, we're going to find enough players with this team that want to play and listen and play hard," Kings coach Kenny Natt said. "When guys are not digging in and playing their heart out, those are the things that I – as a coach – cannot deal with."
Brad Miller played the entire third quarter and 3-1/2 minutes of the fourth quarter. Holding players accountable for effort ... and playing a complete f'n zombie for 15-1/2 of the 24 second half minutes -- this is not adding up. Not to damn Natt, who has really done something with a renewed Beno Udrih, but this is the path Reggie Theus and Eric Musselman traveled.
Theus promised discipline ... and then gave Ron Artest free reign over the team and showed up late for the team bus himself. Musselman promised structure ... and had one of his top offensive weapons (Miller) still unclear of his role in March. You sell me tickets to the gun show, I want a gun show. This ain't a gun show. The product isn't matching Natt's sales pitch.
Ta' hell with trade value. Anyone willing to trade for Miller knows what they'll get. Dude's played 21,000 minutes as a pro. Larry Brown has seen him, Gregg Popovich has seen him, John Paxson and Pat Riley have seen him. Yanking him for Hawes in the third when Brad's tossing up 2/3/3 ... that's not going to change anything come February. If he's not going off as he did last week, bench him. We'll be a lot more content if we see that garbage time line-up come in when the margin's less than 20 points. (And on this team, I think the bench unit actually qualifies less as a garbage time line-up than the starting five in some cases.)
Even though B-52's got 1-1/2 feet out the door, he needs to be held responsible for tainting the rest of the roster. I'm not trying to blow anything out of proportion or get apoplectic here, but efforts like that really set everyone back a few steps. It's unacceptable, and if Miller plays so disinterested he really should not be on the floor. Tough love won't work on Miller the way it worked with Udrih, but making a statement that effort is a prequisite for playing time sends the right message to Hawes and Donte Greene. (Jason Thompson needs no such message. Dude came out of the womb hustling.)
UPDATE: OK, I should have checked the Bee's blog before posting this, because Amick lit Miller on fire over there:
In the media room, the reaction from a few locals who have watched their share of hoops over the years wasn't quite so kind. One observer said of Miller's outing, "It just doesn't seem like he even wants to play anymore." And another added: "It's like he wasn't even out there. I feel like I don't remember him playing."
YES.
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Amen Minister TZ
Amen.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
One point I will add to this that is sort of sifting through the background of all this
In Amick’s recap, he mentioned specifically, no other player, about Miller, and yet, Natt chose to not throw him under the bus.
We’ve all discussed Petrie’s commitment to Ometa silence, or whatever it’s called, but in a way, I think part of that is influencing Natt’s decision to throw Miller under the bus publicly. I agree that the way Natt should disapprove of Miller’s play is to bench him, but, calling him out publicly does nothing for Petrie in the way of negotiation. And as Al Harrington proved, it’s impossible to trade for a guy mouthing off unless the other team happens to want him too.
I wonder if Natt’s decision to not remove Miller from games like this, or publicly call him out for his effort, has anything to do with Petrie, and the fact behind the scenes, they’re not trying to make any more of this than they have to.
If Petrie didn’t consider heavily a Stephon Marbury for 7 foot pile of dung/K9, I would wonder why. How is this team hurt by having some cap room and flexibility at the very least?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I find this quote interesting
“We have a young group of guys that we’re just trying to get them minutes and they’re learning how to play together and things of that sort,” he said. “We know where we are with this team. And it’s just a matter of us getting as much as we can out of the young guys in the situations that we want, and then somewhere along the line get the pieces that we need to become a better team.”
I’m hoping it leads to action by the Kings shortly. Cuz if it doesn’t, I’m going to believe Petrie needs his head checked.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
While I called Kevin a punk for his statement after the Orlando game
This is a leadership quote from my view:
“That’s a question we ask ourselves,” he said when asked why there was no fight in this team. "We have no answer, but (fighting back) is something we need to do as a team…That is sad to ask (if they have lost their pride). Hopefully it’s not gone, but we’ll just continue to try to get better as a team.}
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Quality quote on JT by Natt as well
“(He has made) tremendous progress” Natt said after the practice. “And one of the things that I’ve noticed is he started listening a lot more, and that’s been really helpful. He’s listening, and he has become much more patient inside. He has been playing great.”
“We just want to make sure he keeps that attitude going and it could be contagious to the rest of the guys. Sometimes your leader is not your oldest or your best guy, and we just have to have everyone picking up and bringing that energy like he has.”
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I've already posted 3 lengthy blockquotes
But I found Natt’s point about lack of rebounding at Reno to be interesting. Also, the point about using his length to improve his defensive capability was a good point as well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Dammit why do I keep replying to myself
Not that Amick does poor posts, but this has to be the best blog post he’s done in a very long time. And considering this is Sam Amick, that’s saying a lot. (Where would we be without Sam or Melody?)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Go Pookey Go !!!
Dude, keep going you are making sense !!
I smell a bad folk song with that line
But, thanks.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
LOL !!
Freekin Genious !!
Call Petrie now and straighten him out will ya !!
He wouldn't listen
But, sure if I had it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
pookey's on a tear!
…but i have to believe (as TZ mentioned) that miller is being played and not being criticized/called out/etc. by the coaching staff for nothing but trade reasons.
i think it really does matter if you’re trying to trade a guy who only logs 20 minutes a game…i believe teams know how brad is capable of playing, and if they trade for him they need to know he can play entire games for them as well.
Exactly
There’s more to be gained from rewarding effort from Hawes (and even Moore or K-9) and punishing lack of effort from Miller than there is in any boost in Miller interest around the league.
Actually, it could be argued benching Miller during a game like that helps his value.
Good points
But at some point TZ, it would be nice if somone other than Cisco could feed the ball to Spencer. He had position for 10 seconds at one point in the 2nd, and B-Jax just kept dribbling. I’ve had a nasty viral cold for a week, and talking is a bit difficult, so I try not to do it, but I was screaming after I saw that. I was calling him everything under the sun after that.
Bobby isn’t all at fault here; it’s just one of the many problems. If your veterans can’t execute simple basketball plays, why is the coaching staff continuing to run him out there? And lost amongst the Shawes/JT/Miller shuffle, where is Bobby Brown? And what did he do to Kenny Natt’s cheerios?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
It's nauseating
Anyone with a pulse could see that Miller was dogging it last night – it wasn’t just that he couldn’t get in the flow, his shot wasn’t falling, etc. He was flat mailing it in.
Yet he got the bulk of the second half playing time at the center position.
And far be it from me to defend K9, but the guy played his ass of in the game in New Jersey, is labeled by the coach as his best low post defender, and can’t get any real burn since?
Maybe Natt has brought more professionalism to the position, but his player rotations suck. And if I were on the squad, I’d be damn confused about what it takes to get minutes. In theory, Spencer could say to himself “Shoot, maybe I just need to dog it more to get some PT”.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
And here you are
One of the staunchest Miller supporters around here.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Indeed
That was horrendous last night, but equally as bad is waiting for Natt to yank his ass out of the game.
Look, I agree that Miller is not having his best season, but there are many people here that seem to be putting all the team’s ills on his shoulders. I just don’t see it that way, but we can all agree to disagree on that (and we’ve beaten the dead horse on the subject). It’s readily apparent that Brad needs a change of scenery, and I’m onboard with Petrie moving him for whatever he can get at this point.
But what Natt did last night was diminish his own power over the roster. You can’t leave a guy out there who is dogging it when you have a young, promising big sitting on the bench in need of minutes. Why would any player believe that Natt has the slightest clue how to coach at the NBA level at this point?
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
I would agree with that up to a point Otis
And I say that, if he continues to treat Miller as if he’s doing nothing wrong, than yes, I agree with you. He needs to change how he treats Miller every night here on out. And there is no other way to put it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Not to interrupt the pookeyguru show...
…but this is exactly right. The fact that I failed to even mention Miller in my recap shows how nonexistent he was.
I one point in the game I turned to my buddy and said, “Yeah, Miller could still play, but he gives up a lot.” That was it. No other observations throughout the game.
I’ll also mention that he could not handle Nene at all. Watching the two battle for position throughout the game, Miller got his ass handed to him.
I believe it all comes down to Natt’s biggest flaw: his roster management. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to who gets played, when they get played, and for how long they play. Reminds me of when Doc Rivers first showed up in Boston and trotted out a random trainwreck for each game.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Interrupt the show
I’m tired of it. I couldn’t imagine paying to watch that game. I felt insulted, and I was watching a free webcast of the game. I still feel like I should get my money back. Except, watching JT play well, and watching Bobby Jackson not getting the ball down low to Spencer Hawes, was extremely pleasing to see. It’s no wonder Pete Carril is so distraught about this group.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
speaking of Bobby,
has he ever passed to anyone in the post? ever? anyone not named CWebb?
To me, he just dribbles around looking for his own shot and either doesn’t recognise low post opportunities for the bigs, or just doesn’t care to pass down into the post.
Not sure which it is either aus
It’s a problem whichever issue it is, however.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
At least JT looks like a starting PF in the NBA.
Back to back games where he had 22-11 followed up by 18-11, the guy can ball when he gets his minutes. Obviously he’s still not 100% confident out there, but the burn is paying off.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
Easier to believe he could become an All-Star isn't it?
It’s not like Kenyon Martin, Nene or Chris “Cuckoo Meth Bird” Andersen are not talented players, yes?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Yeah
Martin taught him a lesson or two — Kenyon’s hands are so quick. But 18/11 (and about 14/9 before garbage time) is man stuff. This dude could be an All-Star some day.
So once again
With regards to Blake Griffin, is this dude Tim Duncan, or am I just wrong about him? What am I missing? (I think the Kings need a Rubio type player more. I had something yesterday I didn’t have the energy to finish, but hopefullyit would have cleared up that point.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I agree with you, as JT continues to mature... griffin becomes more obsolete.
Griffin is a boozer-type player, there really is only one Tim Duncan, but an aggressive defensive PG who has the leadership to yell at them… although only cisco will understand when he gets really pissed off, is much more beneficial.
Usually at the top of the draft you don’t draft for need, and I have only watched Rubio in one game (the gold medal game). In that environment though he was extremely successful against the best players in the world, its hard to argue against those results. Brian McCormick drew the parallel of a defensive steve nash as he was everywhere on the defensive side of the floor.
We’ll have to analyze it more as our ping pong balls grow or dwindle.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
I think it's the need that becomes obsolete
If it was the Thunder, or the WizardsBullets, I would argue they don’t need a personality, but a quality player who can augment what they already have. The Kings won’t get substantially better with Griffin around. I know this. I believe they could win a championship with Rubio if the breaks go right. (I never believed the KIngs would ever have a shot at Rubio. I’m hoping that’s the case though, with this craptastic season.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Kings need
A post defender. The reason they give up so many layups and freethrows is because teams drive nonstop on the Kings. Nobody can protect the basket. Spencer is a decent weak side shot blocker but he is not an intimidating presence. JT is improving but will probably never be a feared defender. Brad Miller? Please. Rubio would be a fantastic pick for the Kings but the same problems would be there. The Kings would be great on offense but opponents would continue to score 110+ every night. It’s time to draft and trade for some players that can defend. I know it’s not a popular sentiment but if the Kings don’t get one of the top 3 picks this year, I would really think about drafting Hasheem Thabeet. I could easily see him averaging 3 blocks and 10 boards a night. He’s no Duncan or Dwight Howard but could turn out like Dikembe Mutombo. The Kings don’t need a high scoring center. It would be nice, but they have enough scoring. They need defense. Especially from the bigs.
I’m not saying that I am sold on Thabeet but he should be looked at really close especially if the Kings can’t draft Rubio or Griffin
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Okay
How does Griffin protect the cup better than anything else? I"m not a fan of shot blockers dalt. If you’ve learned anything about personal preference, I think shot blocking is overrated, unless it happens to come as part of a package, and then it’s a nice bonus. It’s a bit like Cuckoo Meth Birdman, he does other things than swat shots. He plays hard down low, and in a sense, is a valuable commodity. When Kenyon Martin was at an All-Star level, he also swatted shots. But, that’s not all he did. I have a hard time believing Thabeet is so valuable to this team as a shot swatter. I’m too haunted by Duane Causwell to think it makes any real tangible difference if you can’t stop the ball in the first place.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that the builder refused
I am the visual
The inspiration that makes ladies sing the blues
I am the spark that makes your idea bright
The same spark that lights the dark so that you can know your left from your right
I am the ballot in the box, the bullet in the gun
The inner glow
That let's you know to call your brothers son
The story has just begun
The promiser was to come
And I'm a remain a soulja 'til the war is won.
Huey strait pimpin yo!
I Agree
I don’t think that shot blocking per se is all that great on it’s own. If Thabeet can block guards rolling to the hoop but can’t guard his own man to save his life (ala Brad Miller) than yes, he is not very valuable unless he can score 25 every night. It’s not so much that Thabeet could be the answer but a peice of the answer. Look at Boston. Who is the center? Perkins. Would you trade JT and Martin for him? Hell no, but he is a very solid defender that grabs 11 boards and blocks 2.5 shots (per 40 minutes) a game. He is the last option on the team!
I agree with you that a “shot blocker” is not a prerequisite for a championship team. Defenders are though. The Kings have NOBODY that can be labeled a defender. Salmons is the best defender but he is not consistant and he needs help. MUCH more help. Thabeet could be a start. Again, I wouldn’t take him over Rubio or Griffin and maybe even Curry.
Duane Causwell!?! haha, there’s a name from the past. I will say that if Thabeet is not going to be better than Causie, I pray we don’t draft him. :-)
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Dalt
Can we agree that this team is so incomplete, and those options are available down the road to a team needing that option? (That’s why I’m pushing the Ricky Rubio point, even if it’s likely he won’t come over this season, it’s still just as likely he would enter the draft anyway.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused
I am the visual
The inspiration
That made lady sing the blues
I'm the spark that makes your idea bright
The same spark
that lights the dark
So that you can know your left from your right
I am the ballot in your box
The bullet in your gun
The inner glow that lets you know
To call your brother son
The story that just begun
The promise of what's to come
And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won
I agree
So let’s say that the Kings end up getting the 5th pick in the draft this year and it ends up going like this:
1. Griffin
2. Rubio
3. Hill
4. Curry
5. ? (Kings)
Who do you take? There are still some decent prospects left. Some of the point guards might be Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague and Darren Collison. Harden would be good but he plays K-Mart’s position. Center prospects could include Hasheem Thabeet, Greg Monroe, B.J. Mullens, Andrew Ogilvy and Jerome Jordan. Other names include DeJuan Blair, Kyle Singler, Earl Clark and Chase Budinger.
I personally like Ty Lawson but is he going to be a star? Do you take Harden just to take the best player available? Someone else?
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
Great question
You’re probably looking at Jennings, Holiday and Teague at that point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
as it stands it is doubtful the kings would have the 5th pick
good question you pose but hopefully the kings won’t be bad and unlucky also
The worst the Kings could finish was 8th
With the 5th best record. (Basically 3 teams below 5 have to jump into the lottery, and that’s pretty low. I doubt the Kings would finish much lower than 6th. And this team is going to continue to lose games.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Carpola
5th worst record, which means they have the 5th best chance to finish in the top 3. The only way they coudl finish worse than the 5th pick, is if 3 teams below them (6-14) happen to jump into the top 3, which is the only way those teams can move up. I hope that makes sense Beagle.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
is carpola some tyme of calif carpool?
Rigth now the Kings are 4th worst, 2 games up from being the worst team in the nba. If they trade Miller, Moore and Salmons or some form of them it is difficult for me to see them improving the team this year with the trades, so chances are the Kings finish as one of the 3 worst teams in the nba. With the lottery being weighted maybe one team gets lucky like the Bulls last year and push the Kings to fourth. I fully expect the Kings to have a top three pick next year. I just hope they can get an impact PG which I think is their biggest need.
No carpola is an obvious typo of crapola
You are correct about the team having the 4th worst record, not the 5th. I haven’t heard carpola, though, as a type of a california carpool, even if they exist.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
after looking at the standings and the draft implications
maybe I should be rooting for the wizzards :-).
nope sorry can’t root against JT
With ya on that buddy
I can’t root against JT either. (I’m still disappointed I hadn’t heard of him before the draft. Tough year for me 2008. Glad it’s over. I hope 2009 goes better.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Dalt - you know I agree
pretty much word for word.
Its about a true defensive presence, not necessarily ‘shot blocking’.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 21, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I have railed about the B52 Bummer for how long??
The guy is a cancer. He brings nothing to the table. He is washed up. He is no longer an NBA quality player. He is having a negative effect on our young bigs. Any team that trades for him are looking for dead money to save on their salary cap woes. Anything we get back is an improvement of epic proportions. A rack of balls, some stadium dogs, ANYTHING…. even if we trade Miller away for cap relief for next year, the team improves in a addition by subtraction fashion. Miller, dont go away mad, but please go AWAY. Why this guy doesnt get boo’d everytime he lacks hussle is beyond me. If he played in New York, they would have boo’d him out of town. If he played ANYWHERE but here, he would have been BOO’D out of TOWN !
Funny shit Ben (per usual)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Throwing it out there
Was anybody else perplexed as to why Shelden Williams AND Bobby Brown were inactive in place of Kenny Thomas and Quincy Douby?? WTF? That better not be a trend. That’s bullshit.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
In my opinion
The permanent inactive players should be Mikki Moore and Quincy Douby. K-9 is done but at least he can rebound a bit. All MM can do is take a charge every other game.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I agree with that
Very much agree with that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that the builder refused
I am the visual
The inspiration that makes ladies sing the blues
I am the spark that makes your idea bright
The same spark that lights the dark so that you can know your left from your right
I am the ballot in the box, the bullet in the gun
The inner glow
That let's you know to call your brothers son
The story has just begun
The promiser was to come
And I'm a remain a soulja 'til the war is won.
Huey strait pimpin yo!
Good call
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on.....
I am the stone that the builder refused
I am the visual
The inspiration that makes ladies sing the blues
I am the spark that makes your idea bright
The same spark that lights the dark so that you can know your left from your right
I am the ballot in the box, the bullet in the gun
The inner glow
That let's you know to call your brothers son
The story has just begun
The promiser was to come
And I'm a remain a soulja 'til the war is won.
Huey strait pimpin yo!
'We play with no emotion' (Bobby Jackson)
No,I didn’t block the exact quote, but he said it.
Thats about more than just Brad in one or more games, thats about a point I’ve been making. The personality make-up of this team is sorely lacking. Amick (or Voison?) made the same point recently. Natt all but came out and said it……
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
Maybe
Brad was still weighed down from all of that tasty popcorn from JT’s ’sclade.
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And TZ -
It should have been “Scapegoat A Thru C” – there was no “D.”
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by section214 on Jan 21, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Fun Stat
Brad Miller is averaging 17 pts., 11 boards and 3 asts. over his last 3 games (including last night).
This proves once and for all that you can twist small sample stats to make anybody look good.
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by section214 on Jan 21, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
To wit -
Quincy Douby has missed only one shot in January.
Here, you try it – it’s fun!
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You've learned that well
Miller just hasn’t played very well against good teams this year.
JT is looking great.
It’s obvious Martin is still a little banged up.
It’s pretty amazing this is pretty much the same team as last year with one guy gone. And I don’t think you can give old what’s his name all the credit and say the Kings are 18-20 games a year better with him. I think it’s more on the guys who are still here and stinking up the joint as to why we are 18-20 games a year worse.
I too am wondering why Bobby Brown isn’t playing. Has Amick written about that, asked that question? Inquiring minds want to know.
Re: the draft, I still think we draft the best player available, even if it’s a big. If Spencer and JT turn out to be stars, there’s nothing wrong with having a third capable big. And if they don’t, we have another contender for that status.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 21, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly CC
On the level of pressing needs, BB ranks about 5th at the moment. That’s why Amick didn’t ask. I don’t doubt, though, that he would ask if it was slower. I’m sure he’s just as curious as we are. (If there is a better on the ball defender in the backcourt, please name him. Thanks, I’ll be here for the rest of my life.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
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