Amare Potentially on the Market
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If Amare is on the market that means Phoenix is giving up on him
And, uhm, no thanks. Never have been, never will be an Amare fan.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 24, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Don't know if I see it that way
He’s just their only tradeable asset at this point. If they’re going to try and get better rather than just steadily declining (and risk possibly losing him for nothing), they might try and cut their losses.
Well yeah what you say is true
But, that wasn’t really what I meant when I said Phoenix is giving up on him. He’s still a quality player; just not one whom I think the KIngs should give up any of their young talent for. He is not Dwight Howard; never has never made that kind of impact Howard is now making. He’s always scored points, and made a lot of people happy, and even should have been a part of a championship team, but some of that was on him.
I think Phoenix trading Amare means they’re giving up on him becoming a true franchise player, rather than just a token talent on that level. I’ve never believed he had the commitment to be that kind of great player. Still don’t actually.
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You hit on the head with one word
commitment. He doesn’t seem to have it. He SHOULD be a franchise player, a superstar. But I don’t think he puts the effort into getting better.
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And if he had it vfettke
Does Phoenix trade him? We both know that answer.
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Committment yes
ability no.
Amare has always worked very hard to improve his game and his desire is (generally) not in question. Amare’s issues are simple. He’s simple. As in not very bright. This is his problem on defense. His mind doesn’t respond quickly enough telling him where to go.
Beyond that he’s immature which I think is his problem right now. His lack of defensive awareness you can live with when he’s playing hard and giving you 25 and 8. Something now though has him down. Not sure what that is exactly but it is certainly something that could easily be fixed by a change in scenery or hopefully just a trip to his shrink and prehaps some arts and crafts (don’t worry if that doesn’t make sense. It didn’t make sense the first time Sarver did it either).
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by Seth Pollack on Jan 24, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Glad you spoke up
You proved my point perfectly. Even if I used the wrong language to describe the problem, which apparently I very much did. Cuz he is not very intelligent, that much is clear. (Webber is very very intelligent by contrast.)
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True
but he thrives with the right intelligent people around him. I’d love to have Amare but I don’t think we have the right personnel for him to reach greatness
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I don't want Amare
And even if I did, I agree with the 2nd part of your statement just as much. (I would love to see Amare & JT as a tandem though. I just don’t see how the Kings could pull that off. And given Amare’s age, it doesn’t entice me long term.)
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I like Jason Thompson a lot
But I would gladly sacrifice him (or, preferably Hawes) on the altar of Amare. I’d imagine Brad/Salmons/JT for Amare would be a reasonably attractive offer if they wanted a young replacement.
The problem is, what a risk. Let’s not forget that Amare is a microfracture survivor and that he could easily bolt for less money/more endorsements in NYC in 2010.
At the same time, we could pay him the most when he opts out, and he’s only 26, same age as Kevin. Superstars don’t generally trade hands
Martin and Amare
Would combine to currently average 48 points on 31 shots per game, with a combined average of 14-16 from the line per game. Efficient.
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Why?
Would combine to currently average 48 points on 31 shots per game, with a combined average of 14-16 from the line per game. Efficient.
I didn’t realize Steve Nash was coming to the Kings. Is Amare going to be able to get those kind of numbers with Beno et al.?
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 24, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I would imagine
that if you invest in a guy like Amare, you probably run some offensive sets to get him the ball. Just a guess.
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Bobby Jackson won't give up the ball to Spencer
Why would he give it up for Amare?
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Oops
I didn’t realize B-Jax was part of our long term plan.
Look, you don’t like the guy, that’s fine. You don’t like Boozer, that’s fine, too. I didn’t like Webber when he came here. I thought that he was a malcontent, and he didn’t even want to come to Sacramento. I was wrong – it turned out to be a pretty good deal for us.
Stoudemire or Boozer may not be the right fit for us, but it is going to take a risk v. reward deal to put us back on the map. If not these guys, then whom?
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by section214 on Jan 24, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you
B-Jax was the wrong player to make that point with. But, ignoring B-Jax for a moment, my point was, and you know this, was that this team has difficulty getting the ball to Shawes & JT now. Amare needs the ball, and he’s far more capable at catching 20 feet away and driving than either JT or Shawes are. But they’re also a combined 10 years younger than Amare is. I’m digressing here.
The problem I have is, Amare’s peaked. Now I don’t think JT or Shawes will get as good as Amare, which I’m fine with, but there’s just a sense the Kings will have to ride this out. Boozer & Stoudemire are available for a reason. You will find people in Utah who are happy predominantly with that trade. You might find that’s the case in Phx depending on the return.
What happened with Webber is that everyone in Washington still hates that trade. There were a lot of people against it from the very beginning. There were a lot of people who thought trading a 25 year old PF for a 32 year old SG was not a wise idea. That was not a heavy risk when you look at the grand scheme of things.
What’s the right risk? I don’t know. I just don’t know. I think sticking with JT & Shawes is the right risk though, if I’m being pushed to answer at this very moment stuck in time forever.
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hawes can go, jt must stay
JT can play Center in this league so him and amare would work well in a line up 2gether. Do i think the suns will do it w.o JT? probably not but if theres a way to get him and keep JT that woudl be great.
As for having trouble gettin the ball to our young bigs, well u can put some of that on salmons. Salmons and kevin martin are simliar players in that they both need the ball to be effective. take salmons out the equation add amare and i think theres enough shots for amare to succeed.
all in all like section said, high risk high reward. we can keep sitting on jt and hawes for years and hope they develop, or we can say ok hawes is gnna be good but amare is good now? him n kevin martin r both 26 and it might work well with them.
i dont want to get rid of JT though, im really strict on that. Jt is gnna be one hell of a player in this league thats forsure.
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that's just a ridiculous statement
I’m sorry. Minus points for you on that one. I guaran-damn-tee you, that if on the Kings, Amare Stoudemire would get THE ball.
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Do what must be done to get him.
Steve Kerr may just be dumb enough to take an aging Miller and filler for him.
On another note Amick was on Khtk the other night and mentioned the Portland might be interested in something the kings have. What, I have no idea, but it sure sounds intriguing.
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What we have that might be of interest to Portland
A lottery pick.
Kayte Christensen.
That is all.
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We better get Roy or Jessica Alba in return
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by kangsfan on Jan 24, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He probably meant Salmons
But I doubt that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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yea that's kinda what I was thinking
or they just want to fleece us for KM23
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I doubt that too
Kevin isn’t a good enough ball handler to play the 1, and he isn’t big enough to play the 2. Roy is a bit better than Kevin isn’t he?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
How good was Kevin off the bench?
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Pretty much the same
There’s another problem kangs. He’s also BYC, which pretty much means it’s impossible to trade him anyway. In portland’s case they can’t, and the only way they could, was to get Memphis involved. What are the chances you think the Grizzlies would help the Blazers get Kevin Martin?
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It's all in jest
If the Kings gave up KM I’d jump off the kings wagon(even if it’s on bricks with no doors, sitting on the front lawn)
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No doubt
Especially to Portland, and under these types of circumstances.
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Here's a damning quote from the Big Dipshit
More to the point, Stoudemire’s inability or unwillingness to meet Porter’s defensive demands are no longer so easily disguised. Stunningly, he has averaged 5.7 rebounds in the last 11 games. Phoenix is one of 12 teams allowing more than 100 points per game, and of those, only Denver has a clear path to the playoffs.
“We’ve got to defend,” O’Neal said, leaving little to the imagination in what seemed to be an indictment of Stoudemire’s defensive play. “We’ve got to be there when the rotations call for us to be there. … You’ve just got to be there and you’ve got to want to play defense.”
This is ugly shit on both ends. Shaq was never that defender he should have been. He got by on his talent much of his career. My my how the world turns in the Valley of the Sun. And giving up JT? No friggin thanks to that nonsense. I’d rather JT turn into a role player than acquire a lazy selfish incapable of maturing Amare Stoudemire (He’s not 20 anymore).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Amare is a terrible defender
But he’s a gamechanger on offense. He’s a superstar, flawed though he may be.
I don't care
How well is Brad Miller doing with this team? He’s got a crappy attitude on a team with one of the worst 5 records in the NBA, and who knows, maybe the worst record when the dust settles.
Amare is throwing a fit, even though the Suns are good enough to win a championship if he committed himself, but he doesn’t care. He’s just not having enough fun.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Chris Webber had flaws, too
…and we were thaaaaaaat close.
Dude is 26, insanely talented, and wants to be “the man.” No he is not perfect. But he is the type of chance that the Kings would need to take.
I don’t think that we have a snowball’s chance in hell of obtaining him.
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by section214 on Jan 24, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope that it remains that way
Amare’s a bitch, and I do not care for him. You take Nash away, and the Suns maybe win 45 games. And Chris could defend, and did attempt to earlier in his career. Also, Chris is smarter than Amare, unless Amare’s ability to speaks ebonics counts as intelligence.
No thanks. Even if he was available, which I fear, because I fear that the Maloof’s would pressure Petrie to do that to get the fans interested, and that’s the last thing this team should do.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 24, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
Chris Webber’s age was 25 when the KIngs traded him for May. Assuming the Kings traded for Amare tomorrow, And, ignoring this season, Amare would turn 27 in November. That’s not quite the same thing nbr.
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Wanted to make it clear for everyone
I shouldn’t have used your name in my response. My bad.
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Me either
I’m trying to come up with a quality rebuttal to your “athleticism argument” too btw. Still quite haven’t found it, but I will.
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again
i agree with section.
pookey i don’t know what you have against players with egos. the best players in the league have egos its just how it goes. i don’t think amare or boozer would be detrimental to the team so i say why the hell not? they both have great post moves, boozer a lil better defensivly but id still take amare simply because hes a freak talent. something we need at the 4 spot.
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I'll tell you what
I’ll agree with your statement, when I see a full season of JT, Shawes & Donte as the front line.
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sanity! sanity!
make it clear. If the Kings could have Stoudemire, there are few pieces that wouldn’t be rationally given up for him.
That said, the Kings have very few pieces to get him. Brad Miller, John Salmons, Spencer Hawes AND JT would be the necessary bait. That’s a whole lotta bait.
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I do hate the idea of losing JT but...
You’ve got to take this chance if we are going to get back to the top. Check out The suns blog linked above and the first several posters mentioned their disapproval of Porter. Perhaps they have an EMuss/ Theus situation going on down there.
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Here's a link
To where they’re talking about this on BSoS.
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under no circumstance
would i include JT. hes gnna be great im not ready to see them lose JT
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I'm a college grad, so I feel good putting it this way:
ME WANTEE.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Just read the story on CBS Sports
Amare’s scoring averages have fluctuated through his career, not counting his rookie year and the 05-06 season, but this might be the chance for the Kings to get a superstar. Hate to trade JT and hope he wouldn’t have to be included, but if we get STAT and bring in a high lottery pick this season it might be worth it, with around $6-8 million left for free agency next season.
Torn
Pros:
-Amare is 26, about to enter the prime years of his career
-Quotes like this that make me think he’d be a great offensive fit for the Kings:
“You want to play organized basketball, but you do want to have some type of playground atmosphere — the type of attitude where guys can’t stop you and everybody’s having fun. That type of attitude is what we’re looking for and what we need.”
Cons:
-I would not want to trade away JT or Hawes
-Amare has always seemed like a bit of a headcase and a whiner (like Kenny Thomas, but with talent)
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by Exhibit G on Jan 24, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for the "red squiggly lines"
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Another potential laden PF with a possible attitude problem and a scary knee?
I’m not trying to compare him to Webber too much but the similarities are there. I’d personally be glad to take him on. However, I have on issue. The reason Webber came here and thrived when he couldn’t do it elsewhere is due in huge part to Rick Adelman. Amare mentioned how much he loved the free wheelin’ style of D’Antoni. That’s very similar to what Adelman’s Kings go to do, albeit with much more control. Wouldn’t an Adelman like offense be more conducive to Amare playing well? Doesn’t that also help Kevin a lot?
So my question is, isn’t having Amare play well here dependent on our coach? If so, who is that coach Kenny Natt? Do we go for Eddie Jordan maybe?
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Go for it
Agree with the Webber comparisons, not in terms of the player per se, but the type of risk we need to take. Get Flip Saunders (who coached KG) in the summer, and see what you can do.
Good call!
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Ooh
Sac Out – Miller, Salmons, Thomas
Sac In – Lee, Marbury
NYK Out – Lee, Marbury
NYK In – Stoudemire, Thomas
Phx Out – Stoudemire
Phx In – Miller, Salmons
New York does it because they get to pair Amare with D’Antoni again. They’d have to get rid of Lee, but talent-wise Amare is better. Plus, they get rid of Marbury. Kings do it because we get Lee and the chance to offer him the most money when he becomes an RFA. We get rid of Brad, and K9. Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) we get rid of Salmons. And we have to take Marbury, although it is only for the remainder of the year. Phoenix is my only worry. They might need a draft pick or something else to push them to do this. Maybe JT or Donte? Maybe a 4th team?
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Off the top of my head...
maybe send Miller to Charlotte and Gerald Wallace to Phoenix? Or Miller to the Bulls with Ty Thomas and Drew Gooden to the Suns.
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No way Hoza!
I’ll say what I said in the Boozer thread. I am against trading either Hawes or Thompson when they are so young in their career and we don’t know how good they are going to be offensively or defensively. Bringing in Amare brings your ceiling next year to a 6th seed and a 1st round exit with him most likely bolting in free agency. Wow, sounds exciting! The time will come when the Kings will “go all in” with a move or signing to contend for a championship, but it shouldn’t be this year.
smell the ashes
by iamstern'skippah! on Jan 24, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions
Amare, Boozer and shit sandwiches
I don’t know about the rest of you, but watching the team this year is a bit like eating shit sandwiches. Acquiring Amare or Boozer is like talking about switching to a nice pastrami or turkey. What I’m hearing from a lot of people is “Well, I don’t know. How is the shit prepared?”
(Huge debt to David Sedaris for borrowing his analogy).
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Jan 24, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
This clearly bothers you more than me
Probably because you’ve watched more games than i. Even then, I only pay half attention to them. Especially when they’re a blowout. I don’t watch, just have the game up on my laptop. LOL
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We can agree to disagree
And that’s OK. My position is that the Kings need major talent upgrades almost anywhere they can get them. They need guys that can play tough, play defense or rebound. The only limitation I see that they shouldn’t get players who are insane (Artest) or who might be cancerous (Zach Randolph). Otherwise, they need to go after guys like Stoudemire and Boozer.
The Kings performance bothers me for a couple reasons. One – there is no chance this core group can compete for a championship. Thompson and Hawes can be nice players, but neither is likely to be a superstar. Kevin Martin is a great #2. Second, there’s no LeBron James waiting at the end of the rainbow this season. Two – whoever the Kings pick up in the draft figures to be a star player at best. The way things are going, the best case scenario is that this team can be a second tier playoff team. I’d like more than that, so the team needs to chase better, top-tier talent like Boozer and Stoudemire.
Shut up and Coach
Let me get this straight
You want the KIngs to get tougher & better defensively by guys whose primary claim is scoring? Call me confused Carl.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Clarifying
Both Boozer and Stoudemire are better rebounders and defenders asleep than Brad Miller and Mikki Moore are awake.
Shut up and Coach
Mikki hasn't been playing lately
There is no argument you can make that tells me that Amare Stoudemire is a better rebounder than JT. Maybe for Boozer, but Boozer is going to cost a ton of money. I don’t think you become a championship team with either. Maybe not with JT or Shawes, but there’s always a chance this team has moves down the road. I’m not sure that’s the case with Boozer or Stoudemire.
This is not the type of thing that I think compares to Derek Smith, but it has the same kind of trying to push a team over the top when it can only go so far so fast.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Problem with your logic
If we picked up a Boozer or Stoudemire now and add a solid starter/star in this year’s draft, we’re done. That would give us our core. Can that team compete for a title?
If we don’t pick up a top-tier talent now, we get the solid starter/star this season and then figure to be bad again next year to add another. And hopefully next season’s draft is deeper and we can get that super-star. Then you go for the trade/FA signing, solidifying the core.
But, I’d trade for either Boozer or Stoudemire. If a guy like that is available, which I think they aren’t(at least not for what we have to offer), you’ve got to take the shot.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 25, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
If we picked up a Boozer or Stoudemire now and add a solid starter/star in this year’s draft, we’re done
I don’t agree with the premise. The idea is to consistently improve. I don’t think adding either of those guys necessarily means we’re done.
If we don’t pick up a top-tier talent now, we get the solid starter/star this season and then figure to be bad again next year to add another. And hopefully next season’s draft is deeper and we can get that super-star.
The problem I have with this is that it involves a lot of hope. Hoping Thompson and Hawes pan out. Hoping a top three pick in a bad draft isn’t a complete bust. Hoping that next year’s draft is better. A LOT of things have to fall into place for this type of plan to work. Of course, acquiring either of those two guys involves hoping they can stay healthy. I suppose I’m more willing to take a risk on somebody proven than hoping that a half dozen other pieces have to fit absolutely perfectly.
Shut up and Coach
by "we're done"
I meant through the draft. We’d be too good to get a decent draft pick.
The problem with the 1st scenario is it puts you in a position where it’s difficult to add talent. FAs would be tough because of lack of cap space, and I already mentioned the draft situation. Through trade is usually a swap of similar talent, unless you trade an established star for future potential, which would not make sense with this plan.
Sounds like a great way to end up in Nuggetsville, ie a team with some talent, but a reasonable ceiling in the neighborhood of the 4-6 seed.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 25, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Another reason I don't want Boozer or Stoudemire
If this team needed some more scoring inside, and it needed a player who could really galvanize the fans, then yeah I suppose that would work. But I don’t think fans will flock to go see either guy right now. This team just isn’t that good to make a move for Boozer or Stoudemire. I, too, want a championship, but I fail to see how Stoudemire or Boozer (you take away JT and another player to make the deal), and I fail to see how it makes the team better other than make them a low playoff seed, if that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....















