Griffin/Rubio Poll
by section214 on Jan 26, 2009 10:45 PM PST
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Because they seem to be a bit of a lightning rod around here, a quick poll.
Pretend ground rules - No one wants to give us anything worthwhile for the #1, so we're making and keeping the pick. You can only go by what you know right now, which means Griffin is somewhere between 5'3" and 6'10", and Rubio might be coming out or he might be starting his own alpaca ranch in the Himalayas. Any mention of Pervis Ellison in the thread earns you a week in the box. And "Meh" can double as "K9(woof!)" for you loyalists.
Good luck
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Meh
I will always consider voting for meh.
We said, “Meh!” M-E-H, meh.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Define watching play?
Cuz there is no way I’m flying to Spain to scout his ass.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Hmmm
I take that back. Spanish women = Spain too. Maybe that is worth my own dime, if I had one.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Well I’m European, I have watched him play and I did NOT vote for him.
This draft is very shallow and risky, and I really hope we find an all-star to trade our high pick.
So that means what?
You don’t like Rubio? Or you don’t think he’s going to be in the draft? What does that mean?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
From Spain
I’m Spanish, and I think that Ricky won’t go to the Draft this year. I voted him in the poll, but the most probable is that Ricky were in ACB other year.
Why not?
Why don’t you’ll think he’ll come over?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
And what about the option to enter the draft and spending a year in Europe
i.e. the same way as Rudy Fernandez did? Do you think it is possible?
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Jan 27, 2009 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
i'm not sure what the others are considering
but it seems like the perceived “weakness” of the draft would be more incentive for rubio to come out now, yes?
Makes sense to me
He wants to be a top 3 pick in the draft (probably more so for money reasons than anything), but also because who wouldn’t want to be? He would be if he came out. The only reason nobody will list him anymore because of all the questions surrounding on whether he would come out.
If there are multiple teams out there with chances to get him in the top 3 pick, I have a feeling that will be the case Unfortunately, of all the teams that are out there, only Sacramento probably desperately needs Rubio.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Besides
Even if he declares, that doesn’t mean he needs to come over. He can still play one more year in Europe and be a Top 3 pick.
I would almost prefer it that way if the Kings get him (barring another big acquisition).
That way, when he does come over, there will be another high pick coming in with him (a la Peja & J-Will) plus whomever is brought in with the mythical 2010 cap space (a borderline All-Star – a la Vlade – is my guess).
Looks pretty much exactly like the formula Petrie used last time . . . with K-Mart playing the role of (or being traded for) a C-Webb type guy.
Yowzah
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Rubio definately
The kid’s shown he can play against upper level competition, even NBA all-stars. Any other kid at his age would have been burned BADLY at his age. The sky’s the limit for him…the potential’s so huge. He’s one of those guys that can potentially make a team and be a superstar in the NBA. I think of Rubio as one of those gambles a team makes, where he can be a mega superstar or just a good basketball player. I think the Kings really need to take a gamble out on him cause he has the potential to be something really special to the NBA…not to mention all the fans we’d get in Spain.
I see Griffin, though, as a “safe” choice. I think he’ll probably be a star…but then again, every draft you’ll see a guy like him or Beasley or Oden.
He's shown he can play against NBA all stars
He hasn’t shown he can play very well against NBA all stars.
That's right
John Wall is currently being graded whether he can play vs NBA All-Stars who can’t stop each other.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
That's more than Griffin has shown.
Just sayin’.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 27, 2009 3:00 AM PST up reply actions
Don't be angry
He tore up that kid from OK St tonight.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Of course if you read the boxscore
All the OK St’ers are G’s anyway.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Hah
and the one forward is listed as 6-8, means he’s really 6-6.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 27, 2009 3:10 AM PST up reply actions
I'd take Rubio's games in the Olympics as meaningful
over about 90% of the non-tournament college season.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 27, 2009 3:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's impressive that some can think Rubio doesn't really have what it takes
Just based on how he performed at 17 in the Olympics. (I might remind he’s smart enough to already know English. He wants to come over to the NBA.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Not angry
just don’t understand that criticism of Rubio.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 27, 2009 3:09 AM PST up reply actions
Kfan you don't do stupid
I was sort of not making fun of you. :) Which, I’m pretty sure, you get at least.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Hey bro chill out
Don’t you know College Basketball is where all stars were born in the NBA?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Ricky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcuSiKd8p94
At the very least, maybe the Maloofs will get a new sponsor out of drafting him
A 2 min Mickey D's commercial?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
The ideal draft in my mind:
Would involve trading down and making additional trades to somehow acquire Hasheem Thabeet and Brandon Jennings. Getting both of those guys would help all across the board
Bring Chris Bosh to California!!!
I think that only works if Rubio is that good
And if Rubio is that good, why trade down to get Thabeet?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Rubio is and will be a difference-maker. He is confident and still very hard-working. I’m not worried about his jump-shot as the mechanism is not really bad and it usually improves for young point-guards (see Tony Parker, well, even Chris Paul or Dwyane Wade. I’m not worried about his quickness (as he is quick), neither his speed (as I really agree that what matters is the speed with the ball, rather than without, see TJ Ford vs. Deron Williams), and actually, he really is not that slow (compare him to several NBA point-guards such as Billups, A. Miller, Kidd, Nelson, well, ok, Bibby). I’m not worried about his frame, hwe just turned 18 (see photos of Wade in his age) and he has a good body-control and coordination. And I’m not worried about his individual defense as this is risky, yes, but not ineffective (and again a 17-year old kid against Chris Paul… if you say that ‘He hasn’t shown he can play very well against NBA all stars’, do you think Griffin/Thabeet/anyone in his age would???) and as someone said here, at times of touchy-foul games there is not a lot of great individual pg-defenders in the league (Rondo, Harris, Paul… who else?). Rubio is on the other hand quickly-learning and disciplined so he can play a very good team-defense and also improve as an individual defender.
What I’m worried then? Only that it might not be enough. He can be hardly compared to any player in NBA (no, definitely notJason Williams, he is not so flashy and much more efficient, he is a team-player, much better defender etc etc) and to ‘make a difference’ might not necessarily mean to win a championship. On the other hand, there is no instant solution to win a title, I think, and to make a difference is what Kings do need right now.
I do not know college players too much, really, so it is difficult for me to comment on them but it does not seem there is indeed a difference-maker among them.
Yes, I would go for Rubio, perhaps let him in Europe for a year and then have a fun, hopefully a lot of fun, and hopefully also a lot of satisfaction.
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Jan 27, 2009 2:55 AM PST reply actions
BTW
I do not know how many of you have seen the Spain-China game at olympics, apart from the finals, this was the most impressive performance of Rubio, who really won the game for Spain on his own – by his individual defense (yes, again Sun Yue, nevermind)
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Jan 27, 2009 2:57 AM PST up reply actions
Usually you hear whispers about who NBA guys like
None of them have commented “on the off record” yet about anybody I can find minus Rubio. It might be nice to see what type of buzz exists for Griffin/Teague and that kinda stuff. I imagine after the tourney, it might be a different story.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I watched Rubio three times
… in the Olympics, only twice with major minutes (vs China, vs U.S. in the gold medal game). Using that info along with all the clips, readings, stats from ACB and Euroleague … I’m taking Rubio right now.
I’ve seen Griffin three times this year (not Monday, actually) and probably twice or three times last season (with an obviously duller eye on him specifically).
I will note that not one of us saw Jason Thompson play last season.
But did you think JT would get drafted 12th overall?
(Makes me wish I had done my homework in advance of the draft. Which I didn’t, or couldn’t do.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I did not think he would go 12th
GS at 14th liked him and I don’t think he would have made it past 20 if GS passed on him.
Yep I agree on that
It’s hard not to like him when you get a full view of what he brings.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
It's easy to see
How he is the best sleeper of the whole draft, and that’s what the Kings rolled the dice on.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
to me a sleeper is a player who comes in and does things that they didn't in college
JT was not part of the espn hype machine, but when Joe Dumars, Vinny Del Negro and scouts from 26 teams come to watch you play IMO you are not a sleeper
He may not be doing much different
…but that fact that he’s doing it in the NBA is what I feel makes him a sleeper.
Scouts look at a LOT of players, so I don’t think that immediately eliminates one from “sleeper” status.
At this point, however, I feel like we’re picking nits.
Don't give up!
Never give up!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Question to you TZ
Do you really think it matters that much anyway? After all, these guys aren’t playing in the NBA, even if the talent level in their competition is high (as I’m pretty sure that’s the case with Rubio, and to a large extent with Griffin cuz of the Big 12).
How can we honestly rate these guys versus NBA talent when they don’t get a chance to go up against them? Also, what happened with Rubio was rare. And he was 17. I’m pretty sure the 17 year old Chris Paul would not do well against the 23 year old Chris Paul.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
this comment...
…along with numerous thoughts flying around the last week or so (especially concerning rubio and griffin) is screaming for some sort of comparison between the levels of competition of NCAA basketball and the leagues overseas.
It's a good question
But it’s hard to say.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Even if he wants to stay in Europe for another year
I hope he comes out if someone can assure him of a top 3 pick. He can play in Europe for another year for all I care. I really want this kid!
I knew I wasn't the only one who liked him
This kid is 2 years removed from a quadruple double in a 16 & under game. It’s not like High School stars routinely do that, but a few of the special ones do, and those special one’s end up doing insane things like getting a lot of triple doubles (Jason Kidd alert—whom I don’t like but have to respect).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Griffen is a sure thing
who will be a legit starting PF at the NBA level. Rubio is having a lot of dreams projected on him which may or may not have merit against nightly NBA competition.
Now, we have JT who looks very promising, though he gets pushed around too much (at 22),
What to do if we get the #1 and Rubio isn’t in the draft? I’ve asked before but it does seem like a very good possibility that this will be the situation.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
A sure thing does not mean success for this Kings team
The Rubio “question” will largely I think depend on how much hype he gets out of EuroLeague. I don’t think Griffen will get much more hype than he’s currently getting, but at the same time, who cares?
Letting the chips fall where they may will be interesting, but who knows? My bet, if anything, is that Rubio declares for the 09 draft, and he may just wait until 2010 to come over. Or he may come over this year because his buyout is the same. I don’t think it makes a difference. Rubio entering the draft is something he can do this season, and as such, it’s realistic to assume he will probably enter all things being equal.
Here’s a possibility: Griffin likes Oklahoma so much, and badly wants to win a ring, he figures that staying an extra year won’t kill him. Why is it assumed automatically that Griffin will declare for the draft?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Griffins brother graduates this year and he is predicted to be a top pick
I would be shocked if he doesn’t declare. This year is actually his extra year.
Uhm what?
Are you saying that Blake’s brother graduates from OU, and that’s the reason he’s staying? (I am aware Griffin could have declared for the 08 draft.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Ah okay
Thanks for the clarification.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I've brought the point up several times
That Griffen puts us in an interesting position if we get the #1.
1. We think Jt has a lot of upside,
2. Its a thin draft so Griffen will be in Very high demand
3. Can we pass on either taking/keeping him or using that bargaining chip for extra value? Multiple picks next yr, a young vet – whatever?
I think not
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
seriously?
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
You're right
Besides, I prefer Thabiit.
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by section214 on Jan 27, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It has been a long season for all....
wait ! – while I furiously check all your posts for typos!
Oh no, thats right, that would be a Pooh strategy.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Not that it matters -
But there is a big difference between an innocent typo and misspelling someone’s name over and over again, as you have done with Griffin. If you’re going to rave about someone/slam someone, I think it helps your cause if you at least get the name right. It gives the appearance that you may know what you’re talikng about. Or not.
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Your question raised in this thread
no current opinion/position you want to state?
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by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Take the best player available
And I do not know who that is yet. I think that Rubio is getting more votes because the perception (perhaps reality) at this point is that we need more help at PG than up front.
Bottom line, we need assets. If James Harden is the best player available when we choose, then you choose him. Either he or Martin then becomes the assett that you need to help you attain the help that you need in other areas.
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I agree
it just seems hard to judge after Griffin (if Rubio doesn’t come out). I know there’s a lot of college ball yet to watch. (but)
If 3 (or 2) – 7 are all pretty much the same value, do you then pick from them a position based on need?
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by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
If you determined
that two guys were identical, I think that the tie breaker would have to be need. If you thought that Harden was an “8” and that (say) Teague was an “8,” you take Teague. Heck, maybe you even take Teague if he is a “7+.”
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I think he missed the whole point of
Why you only included Rubio, Griffin, and the “Meh” option. I voted Rubio, of course, but that’s because that’s who I want the kings to take. It’s not hype that generates my wanting Rubio; it’s a bunch of things driving it. It’s not that Griffin is a scrub; I wouldn’t even be shocked if he’s an all-star. But I’ll be shocked if Rubio IS NOT an All-Star, and I will be shocked if Griffin is a franchise player, or considered anything towards that level.
I don’t think Teague will get there, unless he takes a purely magical leap somewhere in the next 5 years. How many times you seen that in your life 214?
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John Stockton?
Tim Hardaway? I don’t know. There have been a few, but it is the exception and not the rule.
I can’t see a guy like Teague leaping over Griffin or Rubio in the draft (at least, not at this point). My inclusion of them was in answer of LTTG’s 3-7 question. That said, I will default to my “nobody knows nuthin’” stance about the draft prospects until the NCAA’s have concluded, at which time I will amend my statement to “nonbody knows hardly nuthin.’”
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by section214 on Jan 28, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Man even then
It’s all a guessing game. You ain’t stupid. You don’t do purport bullshit either. We both know that Griffin & Rubio are the 2 hottest commodities. Buzz about both will be generating very shortly. At that point, I imagine both will make decisions about their futures. But that being said, this is about something else.
Worrying about whether Rubio would come over in 2009 is a minor worry. Getting him to declare is the harder part. When he comes over after, provided it is within a year, is really sort of “makes no nevermind” at that point.
Griffin has talent. He’s going to be a top 3 pick if he comes out, and he probably will. But there are no guarantee’s in life.
I agree that the tournament concluding will kick off the draft portion of the program. I don’t agree that it says anything about any prospects, or to NBA teams, whether a guy’s club gets bounced early. Did the Hornets think less of Chris Paul cuz he & Wake got bounced by West Virginia in 05?
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Agreed 100% on the early bounce
These guys help or hurt themselves based on how they play, not how their teams play. And on the few occasions that it does happen, it corrects by the draft. Case in point – Mayo dipped a little after the NCAA’s last year, but his stock rose right back up once he started having individual workouts with NBA teams.
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Rubio will not enter the draft...
The closet thing to a franchis player is Griffin, if we do not get the first pick, take a look at the kid from Wake Forest, Al-Farouq Aminu and possibly Brandon Jennings. I just hope we do not draft Thabeet, yeah the guy is 7"3, but not nearly as talented as everyone is giving him credit for. I really wish the Kings would have had a top 5 pick last year, sure as hell wouldn’t mind watching Rose, Beasley or Mayo in a Kings Jersey!
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