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Petrie's Options With Portland

Amick, who mentioned the Kings have spoken with Portland in a print story this morning, pointed out this HoopsWorld rumor on the blog:

The Sacramento Kings may be closing in a trade, but it does not look like it's the long-rumored Brad Miller deal that's going to get done first. The Kings are rumored to have had some conversations that would send John Salmons to Portland in a deal that will likely return Raef LaFrentz and a future draft pick, according to sources close to the discussions. It's possible the Kings could send Mikki Moore in the deal, although the Kings would surely want to include Kenny Thomas. The additional players needed for the deal to work under the cap could not be confirmed by either side.

 Amick quotes Geoff Petrie saying nothing is imminent (either here or on the Miami side of things). In the previous discussion thread, I guessed that Portland would want Salmons, but it'd be a small swap for a couple of the Blazers' extraneous pieces (like Channing Frye and Sergio Rodriguez). But apparently we're thinking bigger.

Here are some options:

LAFRENTZ FOR SALMONS + MOORE. This would get the Kings roughly $10 million under the cap, not including the salaries of the two first-round draft picks.

LAFRENTZ + RODRIGUEZ FOR SALMONS + MOORE. Rodriguez makes $1.6 million next season, so this decreases the cap space to roughly $8 million before including draft picks.

LAFRENTZ FOR SALMONS + THOMAS. This is basically the LaFrentz version of MILLER + THOMAS FOR MARION, except that 1) Marion can actually help the team win some games this year, and b) the Kings save real dollars (not cap space) this season with LaFrentz as insurance will be paying his salary the rest of 2008-09. With just this deal, the Kings would walk into this summer with roughly $18 million in cap space, assuming a Moore waiver. (Rodriguez could also be added to this deal, if Pritchard is feeling generous.) Note that this gets you huge, Boozer-level cap space without moving Miller, which means that theoretically you could pull something like MILLER + MOORE FOR MARION and end up $32 million under the cap this summer. Which is a really, really hot scenario.

Things are about to get REALLY sexy in here ...

LAFRENTZ, RODRIGUEZ AND A PORTLAND FUTURE FIRST TO SACRAMENTO, MILLER + SHAVLIK RANDOLPH TO MIAMI, MARION TO PORTLAND. Portland gets a potential lockdown defender who can shoot at small forward (a significant upgrade over Batum), on a half-year rental with the Bird rights to sign over the cap if things turn out sexy in March, April and May. Miami gets its center with no extra cap obligations. Sacramento gets a free $12 million (LaFrentz), a disappointing but cheap and potential-ridden point guard, and a pair of picks down the line. This gets the Kings $15 million under the cap this summer, not including the 2009 draft picks' salaries and assuming a Moore waiver.

From a straight business standpoint, it makes the most sense for Sacramento. It's hard to ship out Salmons for straight cap space given the difficulties the Kings have had competing. Most savvy fans understand the need for cap space; no one rioted when Mike Bibby got flipped for Atlanta's AARP unit plus Shelden Williams. But this team wasn't 10-35 last year.

Salmons is the team's best on-the-table chip right now. I mean, we were talking about Mike F. Conley a week ago. With a cheap contract, great production and a defensive mindset, Salmons should be a HUGE target for contending teams the next few weeks. It's hard to name a team that wouldn't take Salmons right now. So in giving up Salmons, you should be getting something real good -- a pick from a mediocre team, a good prospect, cap relief in the form of K-9. That's the macro, Kings fan view.

The Maloofs are losing amazing amounts of money this season. Attendance is far, far worse than last season, when it was far, far worse than any time in Sacramento history. As we've heard a hundred times: attendance suffers, and concessions suffer, and parking suffers and merch suffers. The franchise will still gain in value possibly, but the capital loss (given we're near the tax line) is going to be bad.

Swapping for LaFrentz actually saves the Maloofs about $6 million this season in real, actual dollars you can hold. All these other cap space deals we discuss -- that's just giving Petrie some flexibility. None of the deals that have been rumored actually save the franchise more than a few bucks this season. Even Salmons to Memphis for a draft pick would only save $2 million or so. But because of the insurance clauses in LaFrentz's contract, the franchise would actually save $6 million. In real cash. (Have I emphasized that enough?)

It's hard to overlook that. I'm sure Petrie and friends aren't using that as a major basis for a trade -- the health of the basketball team is more important in terms of his interests than the health of the business side -- but it's there. The Maloofs, we aren't going to cry if they take a hit in the walley. They won't either. But it's still back there, in the back of everyone's mind. Petrie's a loyal dude, and he doesn't need to be told that the Maloofs might prefer $6 million in cash to a few months of Marion, all while keeping Salmons.

It's a tough thing to judge. Ideally, you'd send away Salmons, Miller, Thomas and Moore for LaFrentz and Marion (and maybe a couple cheap pieces -- Rodriguez, Frye, Diogu, Magloire ... whatever). I don't think Portland would take one of the Kings bigs if the Kings were getting the best SF in the deal. Maybe they would and it's all one big fell swoop of cap space. I doubt it, but who knows? Maybe you relax your "No Marcus Banks" stance since losing Miller, Salmons, Thomas and Moore will put you almost $30 million under the cap this summer anyways, and because you'll actually be gaining a $1 million in 2010 cap space because you're losing Salmons. Maybe the planets align and my heart erupts. Who knows?

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Damn!

Great post TZ, lots of food for thought here.

I’m not averse at all to dealing Salmons, and think he’s actually a better trade candidate than Miller – in that, Miller’s going to expire next year anyways and will be a decent trade chip this time next year. Salmons’ trade value is probably not going to get much higher, and he’s really not a longterm option for this team (IMO). If you can attach Thomas or Moore to any of these deals and/or bring back a pick, all the better.

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by otis29 on Jan 27, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

As a Blazers fan

I can say that if the Lafrentz + Sergio for Moore + Salmons deal was on the table I’d do it in a second.

Bayless is the future at point guard, and Steve Blake is a capable place holder for the next year or so while he gets up to speed. Sergio has some skill and is a brilliant passer, but he is just a terrible, terrible fit with Brandon Roy who needs the ball in his hand a lot to be effective.

Salmons fills an immediate need for a wing who can defend AND score; currently Nicolas Batum has shown himself to be a capable wing defender, but his offense is still probably a couple of years away from being what I would call reliable.

Mikki Moore is probably not much more than a big warm body at this point, but he expires next year so his 6 million is not a huge commitment.

All I can say is where do I sign.

by nikolokolus on Jan 27, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even with a pick?

Would you still take that deal if Portland was sending a pick Sacramento’s way?

I can’t imagine it would change much, because PA will probably green light KP for the purchase of one of Minny’s picks come draft day, but I think Sergio & a Pick makes this a good deal for both sides (assuming Miami takes K9).

Moore is a great energy guy off the bench, so I think he’d be more than a warm body. He’s probably suited PERFECTLY for the role he’d play in Portland . . . he’s just not a starter on a good team.

by smgmatt on Jan 27, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

The Blazers are flush with picks (3 second rounders and their first round pick) and this year’s first round pick is probably going to fall somewhere in the high teens to low twenties. Frankly I think the Blazers need another rookie like I need another speeding ticket.

And I think you’re right about Moore, he’d be a clear upgrade over Diogu and Frye, but lately Travis Outlaw has been playing the backup 4 to some good effect (Brandon Roy usually slides to the 3 in such cases) so I’d be happy with a veteran big like him.

by nikolokolus on Jan 27, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And picks are always for sale

And if the past is any indication, Portland could always buy another to get a pick they want down the road, or immediately. Lots of asset’s means lots of options in deals.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let the planets align!

It’s way too early to be talking about the draft with the regularity that we’ve been. I’m sick of the Rubio vs Griffin debate already. If we make a move, this will hold me over a good month or two until the draft becomes a bit more serious.
 
I like the idea of moving Salmons, he’s not in the long-term plans (as Otis said), but good young parts are a must. If we manage to get to that 30 million of cap space this summer I will re-elevate Petrie to his genius status. Although I’m not really sure that all the space does anything, as Boozer is the only prize I’m interested in, and even then, I’m not really sure if he’s worth half that.

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by CAB on Jan 27, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

don't just think FA

think “Marcus Camby for a 2nd rd pick”

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by iashwash on Jan 27, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Ah...

I will now let my imagination run wild.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Jan 27, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Philosophy All Wrong

All these trades would rock for Sac, but none of them will happen. At all. Unlike Miami, Portland isn’t looking to revamp their roster and “win now.” They’re not seeing Marion as veteran leadership or a skill upgrade. And they’re certainly not worried about 2010.

For Portland, it’s all about immediate cap space. They’ve got seven guys going into free agency soon, and some of them have bigtime cap holds. Problem is, now that Darius Miles’ salary comes on the books at $9 million per over this season and next, they can’t resign everyone. So they need to clear space in a hurry. The Marion trade allows them to knock $17 million off the books in one swoop.

In short, it’s clearly a cap move. So Salmons, Moore, Miller,Thomas… All of these guys with years left. They’re not going to Portland. And unless they expire before 2010, they’re not going to Miami. If Sac wants in on this trade, it’s going to involve Miller to Miami and Jackson to Portland.

by joshw on Jan 27, 2009 12:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not sure I agree

At least about Portland. The west is not as formidable this season, outside of maybe the Lakers. Who’s to say Portland couldn’t make some waves right now?

Having said that, I think the Marion trade is really the only one of the mentioned deals that could possibly improve them to conference champion/nba champion potential.

Gunga Galunga

by otis29 on Jan 27, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

are you sure?

portland currently sits 5th in the west, and that with oden continuing to get his game flowing. why wouldnt portland want someone like salmons to shore up their weakest position, while giving up essentially nothing?

by sactoreg on Jan 27, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You have it right

I’m a Blazers fan and I can tell you that getting a wing like Salmons for Raef + spare parts is probably exactly the kind of deal Kevin Pritchard has in mind.

Personally I love the idea of Salmons as a Blazer; he’s versatile, he can slash, he can shoot, and I remember him playing really good defense last season when he wasn’t being asked to carry a huge load on the offensive end of the court.

by nikolokolus on Jan 27, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that is a fair assessment of Salmons

the question is: is getting money enough of a break to endure the loss of talent. I think this makes your rebuilding effort another season longer and your building also delayed at least one more season. You now are looking at a playoff run for Sacramento 2011-2012. That is a long time away.

If this is just a salary dump than the Kings are looking very Clippers-esque and I don’t yet see the Maloofs emulating Donald Sterling (I would hate it as a fan and love it as an investor).

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think your assumptions are a little off.

The Blazers are my team so I’ve become intimately aware of all of the cap space implications of Darius Miles being back on the books.

1. The Blazers are probably looking at a baseline of around 7 million in cap space this summer assuming that they renounce the rights to Ike Diogu and Channing Frye and don’t resign Shavlik Randolph (I’m 99% sure they are all gone).

2. Even with Miles back on the books, the Blazers can get themselves up to about 14 million in cap room if they decline team options on Travis Outlaw (3.6 million) and Steve Blake (4 million) … both of those guys provide a lot more production than the money they make so giving either up would be a tough pill to swallow just to be a player in this year’s free agency.

3. Portland’s real goal is to round out their roster with complimentary players to surround Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, and Lamarcus Aldridge. Currently that means finding a long term point guard and a solution at starting small forward. Point guard looks to be rounding into shape with the recent emergence of Jerryd Bayless and Steve Blake provides at the minimum a solid player who can hold the starter’s spot for the next year.

All in all, I think Salmons would be a nearly ideal fit with Portland and even taking back Mikki Moore is no big deal considering he probably be at least a marginal upgrade over the stiffs Diogu and Frye.

I hope this deal happens, win-win for both sides as far as I can tell.

by nikolokolus on Jan 27, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great breakdown TZ

Browsing NBA scoring leaders recently, I was surprised at how often I saw Salmons name in the top 50 in different categories. Certainly a great time for us to be selling high on him.

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by Exhibit G on Jan 27, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I log on for some noon time reading

and TZ sexes me up!

Well done. I would go smoke a cigarette now, but since I’m Jewish I’ll smoke a herring instead.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

conley

not long ago there was some buzz about conley being involved in a trade. any reason he’s not being talked about in the same breath as these trades?

by sactoreg on Jan 27, 2009 12:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

that was pretty much a pookeyguru campaign

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by Bluejohn on Jan 27, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bj

I never said there was anything imminent. Reg was thinking of Portland, not Sac.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I say screw it

if we gotta take Banks’ contract, do it. This team needs to do something.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by shadow1480 on Jan 27, 2009 12:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Banks = Kenny Thomas

You really want another one on the roster?

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by iashwash on Jan 27, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If

it gets Thomas and Miller off the books for next year, yes. and there’s a difference between 9 million and 5 million.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by shadow1480 on Jan 27, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Technically

Banks = (roughly) 1/2 Kenny Thomas

The cap hit is minimal.

I think that if it’s the only way to get it done, you have to take him. That said, I only take on Banks if both deals go down.*

*To be clear, I’m referring to:

  • Miller/K9 for Marion/Banks
  • Salmons/Mikki for LaFrentz/Rodriguez

by smgmatt on Jan 27, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

that’s what Im saying. If we need to take banks for those deals to go down, do it.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by shadow1480 on Jan 27, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOO

That’s the panic talking. For the first time in a long time, Petrie’s going to have elbow room in the cap space department, plus a very high draft pick. Give the man a chance to work with it, and see what happens.

Gunga Galunga

by otis29 on Jan 27, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No panic here

The whole point is to get money off the books while making our team better, correct? If he has to take 4 mil for the next 2 years to get rid of Salmons, Miller, and K9’s money now, I say do it. Just an opinion. Won’t make us better this year, but with more money to play with next year, it could put us in the position to do something nice. But I trust Petrie will do the best thing for the team. In Petrie We Trust!

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by shadow1480 on Jan 27, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rodriguez

Is worth taking a chance on. The Lafrentz for Salmons and Moore deal is absolute shite. I’m loving that last deal. It lets the Kings hold on to Salmons to use as another trade chip. That would be a great trade for the Kings.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Jan 27, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Salmons + Mikki is silly

Mikki has a 2 mil buyout and Salmons is cheap for his talents. You only trade Salmons for real young player value or packaged with k-9 to clear space.

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Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What do you want?

What more are you looking for than a prospect (Sergio), a pick (1st Rounder in the 17-22 range), & cap space ($2M buyout off the books)?

Combine this with a Miller/K9 for Marion deal (hopefully sans Banks) and we’re looking at a cleaned out Kings roster, and playing time for the youth (Hawes, JT & Greene)!

How much more do you think the Kings can get?

by smgmatt on Jan 27, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Salmons can bring

another younger vet like himself who just doesn’t fit where they’re at. Or Carlos Boozer comes to mind if thinking big.
I think Brad needs to go first so it doesn’t look like a fire sale. Then I think Salmon’s value really goes up.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Wait, let me check your math:

Trade Salmons, then trade Miller = Fire Sale
Trade Miller, then trade Salmons = NOT a Fire Sale?

How does Salmons’ value “go up” if the Kings trade their Starting Center for another Small Forward?

And again, you want a prospect (“who just doesn’t fit where they’re at”) or a pick (mentioned elsewhere), and in this deal the Kings would get both.

If you’re expecting Salmons to play the role of Richmond in a Webber deal, you’re just not being realistic.

by smgmatt on Jan 28, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If lttg became realistic

The earth would fall off it’s axis, and Kareem would grab it (the earth), and beat Jesus with his skyhook. (The basket is Saturn.) Jes sayin….

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good

Salmons and Moore for LaFarentz I don’t like so much because of just cap space and no one in return, but Rodriguez could be good and we can get him with the Artest trade exception. Only reason I think Portland doesn’t want to ship him is because he meshes well with Fernandez off the bench. Averaging 8 points and 6 assists last 5 games. Maybe instead of Rodriguez, grab Bayless. Include Douby in the trade too.

by rc360 on Jan 27, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bayless is going nowhere

I say that because his game probably will end up being a much better match with Brandon Roy (who plays like a point in s 2s body where Bayless is much more of shooting guard in a 1s body … but he plays very aggressive perimeter defense).

I actually think Sergio would be a decent backup to Udrih, and would probably mesh well with Keven Martin because Martin is more of a traditional 2 in that he is most comfortable off the ball, whereas Sergio is an atrocious fit with Brandon Roy because Roy demands the ball in his hand so much … it probably doesn’t help that Nate MacMillan doesn’t think very highly of him (mostly because of his fairly crappy defense).

by nikolokolus on Jan 27, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you really try to pawn Douby off on us

As a replacement for Bayless? Bayless torched him, repeatedly, in Summer League, and we BlazerEdgers would descend upon the Rose Garden with torches and pitchforks if Bayless was traded for anything less than a star.

I am all for Salmons and Moore for Sergio and Raef. Picks if you want, as well.

Any chance of say, Kevin Martin for Travis Outlaw?? Anyone? Anyone at all? Oh well.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 27, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations King Fans

You’ve got Portland fans snickering at us and drooling over stealing Salmons for what they know is crap.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No no

It’s actually a really hotly debated issue right now among Blazer fans.
And most of us like the Kings fine (Enemy of my enemy (L*kers) and all that).

If you guys want cap space, this is the way to do it. How much of Salmons’ production was because KMart was out?

But if there IS a firesale going on, I would be remiss to not inquire after KMart. Right?

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 27, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blow me

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Douby not a replacement

Expiring contract that would be off the books after this season. We’re giving you Salmons, our second best player, a 19-4-3 player at a cheap price. Plus, his effienciency ranks with Stephen Jackson, Andrei Kirilenko, Hedo Turkoglu and Tayshaun Prince. And Mikki, who has a $2 million buyout option this summer for Raef who’s out for the season? Portland can’t even give up Bayless?

by rc360 on Jan 28, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well spoken

But…no. You can’t have Bayless.
If for no other reason, because he’s the kind of mean little bastard who would drop 50 on us every time we played, just to show we were wrong for trading him. And then he’d say all the right things afterwards, in his pressed, tailored silk suit. No thanks.

And Raef has BIG value because, besides the huge cap relief, he is worth 6million in cold, hard cash because of an insurance policy that activated when he went down.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They'll be fine

If the Blazers do get Salmons and lose Bayless, I’m sure they’ll be OK with Roy, Fernandez, Oden, Aldridge, Outlaw, Webster etc. You won’t have to worry about him dropping 50 on them until next season. That is a nice insurance policy, but wouldn’t you like some talent in return when trading away your second best player and best defender?

by rc360 on Jan 28, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't see KP letting Bayless go

And trading your 2nd best player makes sense if you’re going for something better in Free Agency. Plus you can have Sergio. If you want to run, he’s your man.
And knowing Bayless, he’d come up to Portland and find us playing Ball at the Y, just to stuff a few shots down our throats. He may even wear the suit while he does it.
Don’t mess with BRex, dude’s head is screwed on about 4 turns too tight.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not really sure how Bayless helps the Kings either

He needs the ball, and so does Kevin. I don’t think he’s an ideal fit either.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Bayless

Can play with a combo guard eventually. Like Roy. I’m not sure about KMart, but he seems similar to Roy (although his game is a carbon-copy of Rudy’s game when he played in Italy as well) in that he doesn’t need a CPaul, JKidd type PG to be successful. In which case Bayless would fit the bill very well.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What are Portlands salary cap implecations?

How does Miles $9M come into play?

Can Portland afford Marion’s $18M contract when LaFarentz’s contract is already payed by insurance?

Wouldn’t they rather have Salmons’ for his small contract and two years?

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by HighTops on Jan 27, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The trade is cap-neutral

so Miles has no effect on it.

The Miles situation affects the Blazers ability to sign free agents (and Paul Allen’s pocketbook), but not htis trade.

by EngineerScotty on Jan 27, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except blonde Blazer cheerleaders who want to snuggle up next to a Microsoft genius

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

Have you ever seen the women Paul ferries around on his yacht?
Blazer cheerleaders are about 3 steps too low on the “HOT Meter”. Not that they don’t dream about it, I’m sure.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 27, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

I’m not that much of an upward mobile nitwit.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand a penny saved yada, yada

Giving up a longer term asset or two to save (or make) a few bucks short term may or may not be a macro view but it’s certainly myopic. In fact, it is representative of a large part of why things are so screwy in the “real world.” Get the cash in now and worry about later, well, later. The best way for the Maloofs to make money is to fill up Arco, not to shave salary incrementally. It can be argued that they (and Petrie) have been trying to do both but I’d hope most reasonable people would stipulate Arco ain’t gonna be full this year or next.

Trade Miller for cap space? Sure, I can see this. Trade Salmons for cap space? Not so sure there – as stated he has the greatest value. Salmons occupies a strange space in the NBA world where his apparent value is greater than his salary. Which is inverse to what many, if not most, 1st contract players are – primarily they are paid for potential. You should be able to grab at least a mid to high talent 1st contract player for Salmons. That should be goal – not saving some cash today. And I’m not sure Sergio or a late first rounder fit that description.

by towndunce on Jan 27, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

2 things give me pause

1. Draft picks for this year are looking less and less valuable the closer June gets here. I would rather take picks next year than continue stock piling picks for this potential dog draft.

2. If the Kings do have a ton of money available what impact free agent is going to want to sign with the Kings when other more attractive options are going to also have cap space? The Kings are going to have to way over pay for someone to come in. The price to pay for being the worst or near worst team in the league.

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabara on Jan 27, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This summer ..

… there is only real one attractive option: Detroit. And they’d have to renounce Sheed and A.I. before making a move on a free agent.

Miami can’t get Boozer as of now, and Sacramento seems more attractive than Memphis. (Maybe I’m wrong about that.) Also: cap space means you can pull a Camby.

by Ziller on Jan 27, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another option

Let me preface this by saying that it scares me, but this is a completely feasible option for the Kings if the cap space version of your proposals happens……

Possible trade acquisitions: Rodriguez & Banks
Draft Rubio (or other best PG available)
Sign Boozer
Re-Sign Marion

Starters
Rubio, Martin, Marion, Boozer, Hawes

Bench
Banks, Beno, Brown, Garcia, Greene, Houston #1, JT, & Rodriguez

I don’t know if this team can contend for a Championship, but it would definitely fill Arco next year. If Rubio is selected & stays in Europe, Beno moves to the Starters obviously.

Again, this scares me, but is simply one example of what can happen if the Kings have significant cap space this summer.

by smgmatt on Jan 27, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am really intrigued by that starting lineup but...

A) I’m not sure we can afford both Boozer and Marion(even with Bird Rights).

B) I hate the idea of JT off the bench longterm. Perhaps I’m a little too optimistic but I see some potential for JT to be something really special.

This could be a top 4 team in the west as contructed IMO.

The American economy is in bad shape. I am still an American.
The Kings Franchise is in bad shape. I am still a Kings fan.

Bleed purple. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

by kangsfan on Jan 27, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's possible

Think LAC with Elton Brand & Baron Davis . . . only without Brand leaving.

by smgmatt on Jan 27, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Once the trade deadline passes I would be shocked if there weren’t more teams with cap space cleared for this year and right now if I was a free agent Memphis would look much better with their roster including Mayo and Gay. Especially if I was a big.

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabara on Jan 27, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

When did David Lee’s agent say Lee wouldn’t sign in Memphis if he was traded there? Was that pre- or post-Mayo’s arrival?

Wouldn’t a Rubio/Martin combo be as enticing as Gay/Mayo?

by smgmatt on Jan 27, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was post- Mayo

And “Gay-Love Era becomes Gay-Mayo Era” may be the most beautiful headline in the history of sport. Reality will always beat fiction for laughs.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 27, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rodriguez would be a nice pickup

He hasn’t played a lot of minutes, and thus has played somewhat poorly. Given extended minutes he could probably do well. But that’s something that’s not likely to happen with Blake and Bayless at the point and Roy running the show most of the time. It’s been something of a Catch-22 for him. However, we do have room to give him a chance behind Beno. There’s a reason this guy was on the Spanish national team (although not the Olympic roster)

Also, I’d love to pick up Channing Frye for the sake of irony alone.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jan 27, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Portland fan here

Tell me everything about Salmons, everything you love, everything you hate and everything in between. Give me the info that is beyond the stats that I have looked at. How good is he at

1. Spot up 3pt shooting. Is he streaky? Can he move off the ball to the open spot?

2. How is his D? Does he get in lanes for steaks? Can he come from the weakside to block shots? How is his on-ball perimiter and off ball weakside? Can he go and help out on a drive and get back to his man to defend the open shot? Does he leave shooters open more often than not?

3. Does he box out weakside rebounders when the C/PF goes up for a a block?

I want you to be critical and tell me the things I would expect only hardcore fans such as you fine people would see after watching every game. Thanks and if you want any thoughts on any Blazer just ask.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Jan 27, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No time to answer all

But I will give you a brief synopsis (my point of view of course – others may vary):

Pros – John has shot at a high percentage this season, both from inside and outside the arc. He is a slashing type player who finishes well at the basket for the most part. His defense has been solid this season, as a matter of fact he’s been one of the lone bright spots defensively on the floor. He has quick feet and decent reach to challenge shots.

Cons – one, he gets stripped a lot when he dribbles into traffic. Two, he HAS to start. His numbers have an almost unnatural disparity when he starts versus coming off the bench. Three, he is a horrific rebounder.

All in all, he’s been a pleasant surprise for this team, especially at his salary. His mental toughness is certainly in question though.

Gunga Galunga

by otis29 on Jan 27, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This starting thing

If he was to be the first option off the bench, and was allowed to hoist at will, would that satisfy him?

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 27, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows?

John is a weird cat. Coming off the bench last year, he was dreadful – don’t know if he couldn’t find his flow or what, but he seemed almost non-existant on the court. But when he started, he was very similar to the John Salmons we’ve seen most of the year.

I don’t know if there’s still that chip on his shoulder from his playing days with AI, or if he’s just insecure, but the difference in his production as a starter versus as a reserve almost defies belief. And this year, he added the wrinkle of disappearing as a starter for a while after Kevin Martin returned from injury. There were whispers that John was grumbling about his lack of looks at that time. These problems seem to have cleared up a bit.

Could be he would thrive on a squad like the Blazers, but it’s just damn hard to tell with John.

Gunga Galunga

by otis29 on Jan 28, 2009 4:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What is it with guys from the U?

They can be the nicest, most upright guys in the world, but they go looking for reasons they’re not “getting respect”.
Granted this is mainly a football issue, but it does seem to be a problem.
Anyway, a head-case that affects the team will not be put up with in Portland, so I would assume the deal is a goner.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Answer for number 2:

He loooooves steaks!

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jan 27, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a Vegetarian :)!

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT

We have a few world famous steak houses up here Ringside Steakhouse on W Burnside has been rated one of the best steakhouses in the US if you ever come up here check it out.

K and L are right next to each other. hehe

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Jan 27, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok
  1. yes, but he is reluctant to pull the trigger. He has a nice shot but most of the time he pauses, then dribble drives. Not a conventional 3 point specialist.

#2. Good enough to guard some of the better 2’s-3’s in the league. Salmons always guards the toughest cover regardless of position. He is very good against Kobe, both offensively and defensively. He does not block shots, he sags off the ball allowing his man to take open 3’s but his man on skills are on par with some of the NBA elite defenders. Team defense is a little suspect and he isn’t much of a steal man either but he knows how to stay out of foul trouble.

#3. Horrible rebounder- not a help defender/rebounder but versatile enough to make up for this weakness.

Salmons would really help the Blazers get further into the playoffs. His play against Kobe is nothing short of inspired and would help Roy take it easy on the defensive end. He is also a quality ball handler, he can play the 2 or 3, he can take some of the pressure off of Roy in standard offense sets sand at times he can take over a game (a la Bonzi Wells) with a variety of moves to the hoop. He is quiet, respectful but not a pushover and if I’m not mistaken a good Christian man. A quality player but the wrong fit for a team like the Kings in transition.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jan 27, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Salmons

plays man2man defense like a 2-3, shoots like a slashing 2-3, rebounds like a 1, passes like a 4, and is role player (5-7th man on a champ team, 2-4th man on a non-playoff team) with a starters’ ego. He delivers consistently good effort. I would want him on my team but I wouldn’t want a team full of him, it you catch my drift.

As a Kings Fan, I want more for him because he is a bargain for salary – if you give more salary it better be for more talent. He is one of the last of the Sacramento bargaining chips (Cisco and Beno are untradable, the young’uns and KMart are your core) so trade wisely, you might be stuck – you might have cap space but you can’t trade cap space.

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so mentioning Bonzi

Is probably NOT the way to get Blazer fans psyched about Salmons.
Just a warning.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 27, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Salmons

Salmons will shoot a three when he’s wide open. Up from 32.5% to 41% from downtown. He can slash, but like otis29 said gets stripped. He will guard the team’s best player. Michael Redd scored 44 through 3 quarters, 0 in the 4th when Salmons took over with 20 points in the quarter with 3 threes in a rally that came short. Forced Kobe to take 25 shots for 28 points. Make sure he’s in the starting line-up.

by rc360 on Jan 27, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do these deals now.

The Kings are spinning their wheels- both of these deals clear out the trash and leave the Kings with a young talented but flawed team that can be invigorated through the draft this year and FA the next two years. This is almost a complete purge of the crappy MLE investments of the last 4 years (Udrih remains) and really puts the Kings at square 1 financially. The Kings can then focus on the remaining weaknesses- a long term fix at the 1 and 3 and a few power players.

Marion is young enough to be a long term fix at the three if he a) can fit in and/or b) likes it here and wants to lock up long term. I can’t imagine having a small forward who can rebound and play defense on a consistent basis. Marion will probably require a 4yr/40 mill or a 5yr/45-50 mill contract leaving the Kings enough to make a run at another major player (Boozer or wait a year and go after 2010 crop).

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jan 27, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to trade with Portland

unless we get something goood back.

Just sayin’.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 3:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Who do you want to trade with?

You don’t want to trade with the Lakers; you don’t want to trade with Portland, I thought you didn’t want to trade with Dallas at one point (I could be mistaken) . . .

What does it matter if it improves the Kings?

by smgmatt on Jan 27, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid is as stupid do

All I’m going to say.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are mistaken on Dallas

and I don’t see that trade as improving us, another questionable PG prospect?
Why of all things would You want that for ? Another obstacle to Rubio seems to me

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too much desperation

Salmons is a $ value and Mikki has a cheap buyout…..

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

obstacles for rubio =

THABEEET!

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'

by iashwash on Jan 27, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now now don't be mad

Just because we snagged Bayless out from under you (that draft thread from last year was classic, reminded me of the fatalism of being a Cubs fan, which I am). JT is a brilliant pick, and may work out to be a better player than JBay in the long run.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 27, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Something we agree on!

and you’ll regret. A much tougher Aldridge, who’s soft as shit for a 6’10" guy by the way. Though strong enough to push around Oden’s ortho wheelchair for years to come I suppose.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, having Oden and Przy

Kinda makes up for being soft, don’t you think?
And the dude can shoot, no doubt about it.
I’m plenty pleased with LMA, and wouldn’t trade him for JT straight up right now. He’s Rasheed without the Bat-shit-crazy.
And JT was never on our radar, so he was never going to be a Blazer. Hard to covet what was never going to be yours, no matter what.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Oden doesn't have a physical breakdown

there sure looks a possibilty of a mental one.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, old news

He’s getting his mental groove back, as well as physically catching up again.
Injuries like his are tough on an athlete’s mental state, and he went through some bad times, but he’s getting it worked out, and taking it easy again.
No worries there.

Love your icon, one of my favorite characters and movies.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be fooled

He used to have Antonio Banderas up there. He changed it cuz he’s a dumb shit.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And since we're doing the honest thing

The thing is, I used to have “Ir of the mooninites” from Aqua Teen Hunger Force, but I just felt too grumpy all the time. I felt representing myself as an unabashedly unashamed lecherous pig is probably a better use of my time.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Awwww

Lecherous Pig is a good look for you, but anything ATHF has gotta be better.
Except Carl. Never Carl.

And Antonio Banderas couldn’t act his way out of a nutsack.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to deny the looks of the ladies

That is for sure.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly not bad

I’d still have to give the nod to the Heat Dancers.
There’s something to be said for getting the hottest strippers from South Beach and letting them do their thing on the court.
Must ease the pain of fans watching DWade (flop) hit the ground 49 times a game, wondering which time he’s going to fall wrong and be lost for the season.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is something to be said for that

Even if I’m biased against strippers. I admit: I’m prejudiced against taking stinky nice dancers. (Never drive them home after they’re done with the pole. It is a smelly endeavor I promise you.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JT is better now

"You know how when you go to a restaurant, they call out your name? Like "Dufrain, party of two... Dufrain, party of two." And if no one answers, they'll say it again "Dufrain, party of two, Dufrain, party of two." But then if no one answers, they'll just move on the next name: "Bush, party of three." What happened to the Dufrains? They're missing, and no one cares. Right now, they're tied up in the trunk of someone's car, with duct tape over their mouths, and they're hungry. That's a double whammy! They should say "Bush, search party of three." "You can eat once you've found the Dufrains."
-Hedberg

by kangsfan on Jan 27, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JT is better than LMA now?

I am a big JT fan – he has great potential and is fun to watch as he grows, but better than LMA now – fanboy googles have you off right now. Let’s re-visit four years from now and then we can discuss this reasonably.

by betweentheeyes on Jan 28, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LMA is a better player now

But that doesn’t mean anything for the KIngs as LMA is not really the type of player the kIngs need moving forward. Unless you love PF’s who shoot 15 foot J’s all day long. (Because that’s what LMA does. Also, his rebounding is the same as JT’s, despite getting many more min’s. LMA is not the type of player Sac needs, and JT Is. That’s where the over-valuing comes in.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 6:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhh Pooh!

I am definately going back and finding the thread were you attempted to berate and abuse me because I said

“Jt will be favorably compared to LMA by seasons’ end”

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 2 aren't comparable

They don’t have similar styles of games, and they do not play on teams in similar situations. About the only reasonable comparison you could make is they’re both black and tall.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But to be clear (and further confuse the confusion)

JT and LMA have some characteristics that are similar. But, that, and I stress this is not, the same thing. Think about it for a moment. Draw 2 circles and look at the over lapping circles. Put what you think is different in each outside circle, and put what you consider the same about each in the middle circle. There’s not a lot similar about their games, other than they have skills, and they’re athletic. But they’re styles are not similar at all.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His comment was that someday JT may be better than Bayless

Hard to compare the two positions but it is clear JT is further along than Bayless (summer league really doesn’t mean much). JT is not better than LMA. (not yet)

"You know how when you go to a restaurant, they call out your name? Like "Dufrain, party of two... Dufrain, party of two." And if no one answers, they'll say it again "Dufrain, party of two, Dufrain, party of two." But then if no one answers, they'll just move on the next name: "Bush, party of three." What happened to the Dufrains? They're missing, and no one cares. Right now, they're tied up in the trunk of someone's car, with duct tape over their mouths, and they're hungry. That's a double whammy! They should say "Bush, search party of three." "You can eat once you've found the Dufrains."
-Hedberg

by kangsfan on Jan 28, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Off-Topic

Gotta give it up for the Mitch quote, although I would have gone with his classic Escalator bit:

“I like an escalator because an escalator can never break, it can only become stairs. There would never be an escalator temporarily out of order sign, only an escalator temporarily stairs. Sorry for the convenience.” -Mitch Hedberg

by smgmatt on Jan 28, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If this team nets a ton of cap space, I can live with that

I like anything that gets this team 20 million dollars in cap space, even if that includes Marcus Banks, who cares?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would prefer Mark Blount over Banks.

But I would still do the deal.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jan 27, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

as long as Miller, K9, Moore and Salmons

come off the books, Blount or Banks is fine with me.

If any of these deals have any basis in reality, I think I’m going to be really happy with the deal/deals GP decides to take.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 27, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You'll take Banks' 5 mil over Salmons' 5 mil?

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if it means parting with

Miller, K9, Moore and getting draft pick/picks and Rodriguez? In a heart beat.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 27, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What? in one deal?

Mikki has a $2mil buyout, no sense in worrying about him or using a valuable chip like JS to move him. Mikki is a piece we use as if he’s basically expiring, if we use it at all.

You only move JS, a still young vet, a starter in this league, who hasn’t missed a game in years – for a live prospect or a great pick or both. In this next draft do you really want to pay those 6-10 guys almost as much as John? I don’t think so. All the more reason JS probably has a lot of value this year.

Now, if thats what it takes to move K-9 and we get a bonus on top of that – probably.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you even read the original post?

It’s about a trade/trades with Portland/Miami that move those players.

Maybe you relax your “No Marcus Banks” stance since losing Miller, Salmons, Thomas and Moore will put you almost $30 million under the cap this summer anyways, and because you’ll actually be gaining a $1 million in 2010 cap space because you’re losing Salmons.

We get back picks, expirings and Rodriquez. The only negative is we have to take back Banks. No brainer, I do it in a heartbeat.

Would I trade Salmons for Banks? No, but I never said that.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 28, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I did

and I’ll look again, but wasn’t the Salmons part a trade of he and Mikki for Rodriguez? Thats not enough as Mikki expires/ $2mil buyout is just a drop in the bucket.

The other half I’m fine with.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have

Miller, K-9s, Mikki’s(mostly) off and have JS in my pocket.

If I’m wrong that the JS deal had nothing to do with losing either K9s or B52 $$ than I apologize.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Separate or together

here’s the together link.

I said I’d have no problem with Banks or Blount in that situation and you accuse me of wanting Banks over Salmons. Come on.

Banks comes over for getting rid of K9. Salmons brings Rodriguez and (a Pick?)

I’d probably make each trade separately, together I’d make it for sure. Some people were balking at the Miami trade bringing back Banks. IMO, the return in the Portland trade makes up for that negative of the Miami trade.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 28, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One problem Kfan

Is that if you draft Rubio, you will now have 4 PG’s as well.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A bird in the hand?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 28, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But a problem could always be seen as a good thing

Competition is rarely a bad thing right?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely researched post. But we have it on good authority that the rumors of LaFrentz to Sactown are bogus

At least concerning a deal for Salmons and Thomas/Moore. If there were talks, maybe Pritchard was just testing how much the Raef LaFrentz Expiring Contract (RLEC) is worth by itself.

alright just got reliable word this has no legs whatsoever, if you hadn’t guessed that already.

Blazers Edge.com
by Ben. on Jan 27, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Marion might be interesting as a player, but not that great since he doesn’t fit in well in terms of his character.

by Norsktroll on Jan 27, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

so what church going athletic defensive mastermind

did you have in mind to mesh with your perfect choir boys there in the 503?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

John Salmons. Dammit.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jan 27, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I like it holic

Good call.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want the sharpei-head Dukie personally

Battier. And that will be the last time I admit to coveting a Dukie. Honest.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 27, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck with that as well

Salmons is available, and Portland has the asset’s to go & get him. Question is, does Pritchard want him, and do the Kings want to give him up? (Cuz it will cost the Blazers to get him. Jes sayin.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 6:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KP's not going to give up much

But he’d take Salmons in a Fire-Sale situation. Or in exchange for cap-relief.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt that works for Sactown

Because if they have to do a fire-sale for their best assets, then it doesn’t help them in a long run.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I get what you're saying

But I’ve yet to be convinced that Salmons and KMart have a future together. Petrie has to build with an eye to how everyone else works with KMart, and Salmons has been less than impressive since he came back.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Kings are already bad

But I doubt Petrie will commence a firesale. He didn’t for Bibby (despite whatever perception exists), and he didn’t for Artest. It was possible for both players to be had for a cheaper price, but he never would do it. I don’t think he’ll do it with Miller or Salmons either. Just a feeling from watching the guy work. (That’s not necessarily how I feel exactly, but, that’s not saying I think Petrie will do what I think either. He won’t give a shit what you or I, or God, thinks in this whole deal. Ok, maybe God.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gerald Wallace? Tayshaun Prince?

Danny Granger is unfortunately not available :)

by Norsktroll on Jan 28, 2009 6:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would Tayshaun Prince be?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No one knows, or understands

But word is that he can be had.
Personally I’d put him as Untouchable, but Dumars is a different kind of dude- one who usually knows what he’s doing.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me

But, okay, I’ll take your word for it at as you seem to respect Prince’s game.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone (EVERYONE)

at Blazers Edge would give their left nut (or analogous female part) for Prince. He’s the kind of talent mixed with team play that any team would be idiots not to grab at the first opportunity.

And Dumars has stated on record that the only untouchable on the team is Atkins. Messed up, but there you go.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is Atkins?

Are you talking about Alex Acker? (I’ve heard the Pistons have been trying to trade him or Walter Sharpe to get under the lux tax line.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you're talking about Arron Affalo

But really, I can see about 6 untouchables I wouldn’t trade if I was Detroit. Stuckey (the main complete untouchable), Amir Johnson, (mostly untouchable), Jason Maxiell (same as Amir), and Tayshaun Prince would have to be that other untouchable on the roster.

Maybe whatever you’re reading into what Dumars said was a mis-interpretation. (Hey it happens. Everybody is guilty of this.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops.

I was thinking Chucky Atkins (because I’m not too bright) when I meant Rodney Stuckey. The PG who put AI to the 2 and RIP to the bench?
Damn good talent, right up there with Rondo for defensive PGs who can drive.

Sorry about that. Long…uh…morning I guess.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't mean Prince will be traded

I just don’t see it. I think the right deal to come along is what they really meant. But , when you’re rebuilding, I think you have that attitude. If Kevin Martin wasn’t BYC, Petrie should look at trading him if there was a greater overall return available (which I doubt).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, doesn't mean he's available

But it DOES mean that you can get him if you’re willing to offer enough.
Like Roy and LMA.
I wouldn’t trade KMart for anyone right now, period.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

I too like Kevin, he is my favorite player on the roster. But anyone? Anyone whose realistically obviously, yes, I agree with that. But, anybody period? We both know Portland wouldn’t swap Kevin for B-Roy. Nobody would do that, no matter how much they love Kevin.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

The one untouchable is Roy. Oden is the next best thing, but if you offered enough, you could have him.
Roy is one of those “Face of the franchise” guys that you don’t trade unless your championship window has closed already.
And I think that everyone can agree that Portland’s window is anything but closed.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Jan 28, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely my point sir

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That article reminds me of when Kevin Pritchard was an interm coach for the Blazers

He said “Mothers. Don’t raise your kids to be interm coaches.”

"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 27, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Another Blazer Fan

Would love to see Salmons with Portland. Have admired his intensity as a player with the Kings, and he has played very good against Portland. He fits what Portland needs (small forward). Marion will never happen. His contract and character are way too big for the Portland team. Would hate to see Sergio go, as he is a spark and can feed a team. Defense is still a little questionable.

Do you really think management will let Salmons go?

by Holybackboards on Jan 27, 2009 8:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would bet it depends on the price

But yes, I can’t see there’s any way Petrie holds Salmons to the point he won’t trade him for a reasonable return.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Return for expiring contracts?

Or has anyone (especially on Portland) specifically been targeted?

by Holybackboards on Jan 27, 2009 9:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Who knows what the Salmons value for Petrie is

What I do know, is that trading him for an expiring conract and a 1st round pick is plenty value.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nonsense

a still young legit NBA starter? Our second best scorer? Our best defender?

We are frustrated here in Sac…..

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno

I think we may overvalue John a bit. He’s had a good year, but that has to be tempered by the whole “best player on a bad team” dynamic – at least, that’s what he was without Kevin around.

If anything, his man defense might make me lean towards your point of view here – but I can’t say I would be upset with the return pookey mentioned.

Gunga Galunga

by otis29 on Jan 28, 2009 4:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Portland needs to get past LAL

John has shown he is as capable as anyone in defending Kobe. So, the question is not what John’s value is to us, but what is his value to Portland.

They are the team that needs help at the SF. They are the team that expects to get to the Western Finals. They must decide if another SF that meets their needs is available, and what that player will cost them.

We on the other hand have determined John’s value. Bayless! If we’re going to give up our starting SF, then we need a starter in return. With losing all our bigs except JT & Hawes, drafting a PG doesn’t look promising. This trade makes sense for both teams.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 28, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Won't happen

We won’t make WCF this year anyway, and by next year, Batum will be as good defensively at SF as Salmons. Salmons will be a better scorer, of course, but that’s not what we are lacking. John would be an upgrade for us, but not a huge upgrade over what Batum will be next year or two years from now, when it matters.

Bayless is our future starting PG. Only way he goes is if Utah decides to give us Deron Williams or someone else does something of comparable stupidity. Giving us John Salmons, as good as he is, would not be comparable stupidity, so you won’t get Bayless.

Now, if you want to give us your first rounder so we’ve got a shot at Rubio or something, that would be comparable stupidity. You aren’t that stupid, though.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Jan 29, 2009 2:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Comparable stupidity is doing something stupid?

I just want to make sure js. :)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 29, 2009 5:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't understand the point of trade value

You really don’t understand it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A still young?

Mr Salmons is 29 years old. So am I. Nobody is calling us youngins, unless those people are 60 years old. And umm, last I checked 60 year old’s are in the NBA.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

28 and hasn't missed a game in years

2 yrs left on a bargain contract

Yes, I DO understand trade value

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure you do

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Portland fan here. I hope this trade happens I've decided ( Salmons not Marion ). But it sounds dead.

Usually trades are dead when we hear about it as a rumor. I’ve always liked the Kings, hate to see them do poorly this year and hope they can get back on track soon. I think biting the bullet, trading for cap space and flexibility, draft picks and young players might be the way to go a la blazers and sonics ( there is no OKC team dammit ).

by dario argento on Jan 28, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL Dario

I love there is the no OKC argument. I just wish it was true.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...

Once the Kings have all this cap space, are they going to be able to convince any decent player to sign with them without having to drastically overpay??

by cbsf on Jan 28, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Would they have to?

LAC got Camby without asking him if he wanted to be there.

Repeat after me: Cap Space means more than signing free agents.

by smgmatt on Jan 28, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like back in the day, most of the Kings’ success came from trades and the draft. Are there any examples of the kings bettering their team with free agent signings?

by cbsf on Jan 28, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

John Salmons!

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 28, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Vlade started the run -

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But I somewhat agree

especially in our current state. Trying to translate our chips for young vets if possible, especially considering this draft, could be the best move.

The article I read today implied that the Maloofs think so too, though no one was quoted.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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