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Game #35: Kings at Pacers

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Sacramento Kings at Indiana Pacers, Jan 3, 2009 3:00 PM PST


We have an early one today, tipping at 3PM PST. Pacers also played last night, with Jarrett Jack killing the Knicks at the buzzer. Troy Murphy has been owning the boards, Marquis Daniels has a wayback machine, and T.J. Ford is quick as spit. Fun!

Go Kings.

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Go Kings

Lets play well from the begininng and not get down double digits and try to catch up. What is the over under on how many times Ford blows past Beno?

by Beagle12 on Jan 3, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He is actually not starting and I heard his back is giving him trouble

So if he’s not playing the over under is at 3 IMO

Go Kings!!

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i hope kevin is back in the starting lineup

as well as bb and jt

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Strange. League Pass anouncers are Jerry and Peaches

They usually use the home team’s crew. Maybe not being broadcast in Indy?

Go Kings!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No clue

I’m watching on league pass international online. It’s not the same as the one in America.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love JT

put his ass in the starting lineup already

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Retiring his jersey at Ryder tomorrow

Let’s hope the Kings retire his jersey in Sac in about 15-20 years.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

jack by beno

just getting him warm up for ford to do it

by Beagle12 on Jan 3, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cisco hitting the offensive boards

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

League Pass in my area

hasn’t turned the game on yet, argh.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 3:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

they say it starts in an hour

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That sucks

It’s probably still with the old scheduled time

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sound if F-ed up on mine and now

it’s frozen. If that makes you feel better.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beno boxing Hibbert out on that rebound

that was funny

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beno bucket

Those are the ones he needs to hit

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

kevin should be starting

and bobby jackson should be the fifth person off the bench

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Think it will be Kevin

put Donté in for Salmons

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

terrible reffing tonight and last night

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

3 fouls on Cisco

and on his way out he left BJax hanging on the high-five.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And a T

Settle down Cisco

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Miller going by Hibbert

like my grandma going by Beno.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh snap

we have a chance to take the lead

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Everyone just standed there

It wasn’t really his fault

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Believe me

I hate when John pounds the ball, but this time clearly, no one moved

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

they are probably so used to him not passing

that they don’t even try to move anymore

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dribble dribble dribble

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Salmons

big block by Hibbert, Bucket on the other end

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hibbert looking good

Considering our frontline, that’s weird

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Brad getting owned

by Hibbert and Johnson on back to back nights

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hell of a pass from Miller

and Kevin for the and 1

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

perfect example of the claws

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Martin setting up Mikki

very nice

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure they like the concept of defense

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, they've heard of it

but they’ve heard of the nba championships too

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

win or lose we just look better with kevin in there

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

no not really duh, wasn't my point

brad starts to make sense, the offense looks like it has a plan and the other players look like they have a little more confidence,
so duh if you want but no

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and any center/pf combo

looks good against brad and mikki

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yay

the Comcast idiots finally turned on the game.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 3:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like the 3 man rotation

with the bigs. I hope we stay with it when Hawes comes back. (Miller, JT and Hawes).

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

any word when shawes come back

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard anything

but those stomach muscle issues can linger.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i tore an abdominal muscle when i was younger and it took months to heal

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Flop

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

me especially when we have some

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

would love to see some d too

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

37 points in the 1st!

Haven’t seen that in a while. Kings up 4.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Scot Pollard!

YES i miss that guy

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

uh JT

you need to guard the roll guy on the pick and roll. :)

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He's back in

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

because playing JT and Miller 48 minutes each might not work?

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

great pass

Martin to JT

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

pretty too

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I knew Scott was a nut

but Webber more talent than LeBron? Funny.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he had a great run with the kings

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love Pollard

but, I think he was pandering to the home crowd with his Webber comments.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin heating up

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he’s playing really well

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Mikki taking the open 12 footer

not the 17 footer.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Same for JT

right now, though I hope that will change.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

there was no d there only 5 guys holding the door open

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is kevin getting his minutes limited like cisco did when he came back?

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nope

He actually said in his postgame interview after the CLips game, that he didn’t like the minute count. He was good to go

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

he’s been playing a lot.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Finish the half out strong now guys

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kevin taking it to the basket

It’s good to have him back.. no doubt

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 4:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

18 1st half points.

Very nice

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

23 points now

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know why the broadcast was screwed up on LP?

They changed the start time of this game because of the Colts game, didn’t they?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is ridiculous

Ever since Hawes went down with injury, every scrub big man we’ve gone against has lit us up. Paul Davis, Amir Johnson, now Roy Hibbert.

by Scirocco on Jan 3, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Kevin had his Wheaties today

by Scirocco on Jan 3, 2009 4:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Brown/Kmart

Lightning quick front court

by Scirocco on Jan 3, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

flop?

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

you're right and that is what the box score will show

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it was definitely an illegal screen, he’ll learn.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same

He got too close to the guy

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JT

Seriously getting the rookie treatment. What the eff

by Scirocco on Jan 3, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

it's only bad if he doesn't learn anything from it

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Martin

on pace for a 50/10 night

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

25 points on 11 shots

2 boards, 5 assists, 1 steal, 8/8 FTs,

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice hearing Scot

W/ Napes and Jerry. I think He used to bug the hell out of them when he would sit in w/ them. Constantly saying “Absooooolutely!”

by avishai on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Peaches will put up with anything while they're plugging the # retirement games,

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kings with a 21-10 rebound advantage

Salmons and Moore with a combined O in 40 minutes

by Beagle12 on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beagle I'm not tracking with you

on Yahoo it’s showing 21 -20 and brad with 7

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yay

good to see Beno hit that shot

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and jerry didn't say beno draino

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Hibbert is slow

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

2 possessions

2 Offensive rebounds

Free JT!

by Scirocco on Jan 3, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see Cisco hit that shot

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kings up 6. Time Out Indy

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice board in traffic

by JT.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 4:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

4 fouls on Cisco

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

nice pass

and great catch

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JT and 1

nice

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pass out of the double team JT

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice block on the other end JT

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

cuz beno was in

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

4 fouls on Beno

I don’t think that was a charge.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

stop turning it over please

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kevin for three

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

4 triple tonight

Shot looking much better. Yesterday it was really flat

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

too many offensive rebounds

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

got a break on that foul

we’ll take it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

BobbyJ

too unselfish, but we got lucky. That doesn’t happen all the time. :)

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

better than clanking 3 pt attempts

maybe he’s starting to listent to Knatt

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Win counts no matter what I know

I just think we have a better chance of winning this if we get some separation early

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a thing of beauty

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 4:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

JT in the passing lane

and Speed tearing it up.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 4:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

JT steal

to Salmons to Kevin for the transition 3! 31 for Kevin

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great look

Miller to JT

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

had 3 guys on him

someone needed to move. But yeah, bad pass.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on that

Others need to move

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid turn over for Indy

we’ll take it

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

come on Kevin

take it to the basket

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 4:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would've prefered Kevin force the 3 than

have Jackson force the 3.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 4:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

there was 5 on the shot clock

and he’s on the edge of the court, should he just take the violation?

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ohh I wasn't criticizing

That was an awesome shot. I was just trying to be funny… I guess I wasn’t

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ah, ok

lol, that was a ridiculous shot

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JT's

getting a lot of quality learing time tonight. And how about Bjax pressuring Diener into that turnover!

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hit that Cisco!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jackson probably should have taken that one

Cisco was more covered.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Worked out ok

And Cisco is starting to heat up.

by Deleran on Jan 3, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

but I’ve been riding him for chucking the last few games, so I figured I should be fair when I felt he passed up a shot.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see the chucker comment on that Cisco 3

but hey, it was open and it went in, yay :)

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The first one was bad

second one that went in was perfect. He was set and had some room thanks to the Mikki screen

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

to borrow a coolcat point

let’s not get beaten by Granger tonight.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

tough call on JT

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

tru but remember earlier in the season he was commiting stupid reach in fouls and he;s cut that down alot

I think JT is learning and improving before our eyes

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They are doubling Martin

he needs to make them pay somehow…

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That's where Cisco and Jackson hitting the open shots comes in

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Salmons too

We need both of our best offensive weapons in

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eeeesh

That’s not something I want to rely on too much. Granted the shots are going tonight, but I still get nervous

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by vfettke on Jan 3, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh

Salmons is hitting 40% from 3 this year and Cisco is 35% for his career, what more do you want?

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Martin for 3!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Bjax got away with one.

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

knew that was going in

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by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bobby J

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

has his moments

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by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's playing out of his mind

on both ends.

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bury them now!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ball movement please

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bad foul

by Salmons

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

stupid foul

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by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

fouling a 3pt shooter

isn’t ever good.

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ended up being a good foul but still a stupid foul

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by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

But he did anyways, and it’e better than Granger hitting the 3 and bringing the house down

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good to see the team contesting the 3 actively

the foul was bad, but that’s gonna happen at times.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a stupid foul

but it worked out for us

by Deleran on Jan 3, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, should've been and 1

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin with 36 now and two FTs coming

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hello...

Hello…

Hello, I’m Kevin Martin

That commercial’s way better than his first MetroPCS one

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by vfettke on Jan 3, 2009 5:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

turn over Indy. A Kings basket here would be nice

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Miller hits it. 5 point lead. assist Kevin

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

how did Kevin find Miller on that and get him the ball? Nice play.

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bail out on Kevin

Good to know he can get those calls

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

41 for Kevin

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kevin!!!!!

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kevin for three....rims out. damn that would've been huge.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he's not going to make every single one

:)

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

7-10 from 3 tonight wow!

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he also isn’t going to shoot 30% for the season like he started the game, its great to see him get it going.

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad shot

by Salmons, he needs to see the floor better.

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Come on John....

Kick it out to Kevin

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cisco!

what a block

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by ForThree on Jan 3, 2009 5:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Big block by Cisco

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

dang

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by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 5:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Have you had anything positive to say today?

We are not very good… we know. Let us enjoy the game and talk about how much we suck later

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Back to back misses on very makeable shots

one by Kevin one by John

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kevin's tired

But going to the FT line

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Peaches didn't jinx him

It’s a New Year’s miracle.

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

that was a good foul but horrible d

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by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

sweet

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by Bluejohn on Jan 3, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Martin - 45 points

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Never got into the offense that trip.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Still time

3 point game, 22 secs

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and we were up 7 with 3 minutes left?

this is how teams get high draft picks

by shock&hawes on Jan 3, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dude

We’re in the game at the end on the road. Three weeks ago, I’d have had to turn the game off in disgust an hour ago.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Big FTs by Granger.

Kings down 3 22 secs to go

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by Kfan in Korea on Jan 3, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kmart and Granger

Both clutch as hell

by Scirocco on Jan 3, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hate to be negative

but if Martin was clutch as hell, he would’ve made one of those last three shots. The threes are one thing, but to fake a three on the last one, get past the defender for a two that they were probably willing to concede, and miss the layup…that is the opposite of clutch. What’s the opposite of “ice water in your veins”? He scored alot of points (nice! very much needed) and wasn’t too underconditioned until the last 30 seconds, then the rust becomes an excuse? I just think it’s a sample of how Martin is not the player to carry this team anywhere. Sorry.

by busybe on Jan 3, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That may be too premature

Kevin is really just starting to take the key shots in the clutch, to be the man in crunch time. Before he wouldn;t even take the shots or not much. Now he is taking them and not making a lot. You have to take them to make them, and he’s too good of a player not to figure it out eventually. He just needs a few gamewinners to know how it feels.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 3, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean like

Here and here

He’ll get better at it, I agree. Today’s game just wasn’t a good example. The guys just got back from injury and is just rounding into game shape. I like how much better we are with him and how we are able to compete. Let’s see how we do from now on…

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you both.

The King’s are much better with him right now, and he may “learn” to have “icewater”. I guess I just have a feeling/see a pattern otherwise.

Nothing would make me happier than for him to turn into a legit first option/clutch/all around stud for a thriving Kings team.

by busybe on Jan 3, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice highlights

But you probably don’t want to view a film called “Kevin Martin’s Last Three Minutes” in its entirety. It’s pretty much running at least 10-1 heartache at this point.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 3, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he has much to learn

Ijust wanted to give a couple examples about how he has been working on being dependable in the clutch. The San Antonio shot was as much skill as it was luck so you probably wouldn’t even count that. One shot I remember him taking at the end of the game that put it away was one in Chicago a couple of seasons back. It was during the early roadtrip we always take to start the season. I couldn’t find the video for that.

Also remember, Martin may have been the most effective player in our team for a couple years now but he has never been the first option at the clutch (or even during the games). First it was Bibby, and last year it was Artest. So him not being able to prove himself in the clutch is not really his fault or his inability to get it done. He just hasn’t had the chance

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd only disagree

In that despite what you say about not being the first option being true, he has still had quite a few opportunities that he hasn’t been able to capitalize on. But he has a lot of opportunities to come in the future.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 3, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't recall those opportunities

Maybe you can refresh my memory with some concrete examples, if you don’t remember either I’ll can easily just take word for it.

He will have opportunities in the future and I’m sure we all hope he’s able to capitalize in some of them. I wouldn’t necessarily think he’s less of a player if he doesn’t because of what he’s able to do for the game overall

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 3, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The last 2-3 games

for starters.

Last year he got to take a game winner early in the season against Cleveland and missed it. There were a few other opportunities that he didn’t cash in on or some strong game performances that included weak fourth-quarter performances. Sorry, I don’t have a specific list. Naturally his two big successes are the Spurs game and the coast to coast score last year.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 4, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So you are counting the last 3 games

when he just came back from an injury that prevented him from playing 10+ games and that probably limited his ability to do anything basket related??

I’m sure he had some weak performances in the past in the 4th quarter like any other player has had. Anyways, I think we both have our own position and are probably not gonna change it. Let’s just hope that in the future he helps the team win some games and leave it at that

by eduardo_m7 on Jan 4, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those are just the most recent examples

and certainly you have to say he has done very well since his return outside of finishing poorly.

Frankly, you could go to 82games, look up the play-by-plays and compare his record in the 4th Q vs. his record in the first three Qs since he became a starter and see how he did in close games.

His free throw shooting has been an asset generally in the past when we actually had some leads to protect. He just has not proven to be a go-to guy when you need a bucket at crunch time.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 4, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin isn't our problem...

He is a bona fide NBA player. He might become a clutch player given time and chance. He is going to get a lot of chances this year being the #1 option. We need to see him miss a helava lot more clutch shots to put him into Peja status. For now, he is the scoring machine we need. Even though we didnt win tonight, it was at least competitive. When was the last time we could say that? I like how the team plays with Martin on the floor, but the bottom line is the Kings have several roster moves to go before this team is a playoff team. Martin will either be the Clutch All Star, or he will be a Great Scorer. Either way, he is Relevant, which is more than I can say about the rest of the entire team. Kevin is the only one who deserves mention on an All Star Ballot. The rest of the Kings players are Rookies and Scrubs, PERIOD.

by FaStRmAn on Jan 4, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with everything you said

for the most part. Tell it like it is.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 4, 2009 2:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I did go to 82games.com and looked up their clutchtime statistics for last season (not sure there’s any point in looking up this season, since Martin has played relatively little).

Looks to me like Martin was 23rd in production over 48 minutes per game, unless I’m reading it incorrectly.

http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

Interesting note on that page:

For these stats “Clutch” is defined as:
 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points

Someday, you should quit cherrypicking stats to back up your argument.

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by otis29 on Jan 4, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

K-Mart

shooting 50% from the field, and 43% for three on those stats, looks pretty damn clutch to me.

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by ForThree on Jan 4, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As I pointed out earlier

Kevin’s free throw shooting when the team is ahead and he is fouled help cherry pick your argument.

This argument was already had when Ziller posted the erroneous Myth article that was never corrected, even though the glaring errors in it were pointed out. Reread.

If you think Kevin Martin is a great performer in the clutch, I am not going to persuade you otherwise.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 4, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So

Kevin Martin:

  • 6th in the league in points per game.
  • 23rd in clutch time production.

I think you’ve made the point quite well. His production in crunch time is below his overall production.

But, as I’ve said, hope is not lost. The Kings have put a lot of their future into the development of Kevin Martin and they are going to give him every chance to succeed.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 4, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs