Too long to pull the trigger
Is it just me or does it seem like Geoff Pietrie takes to long to pull the trigger on deals? seems like 3 weeks ago that Pietrie had a bunch of offers for Brad Miller and now im reading around that B.Miller is generating little interest.
Was the Shawn marion deal ever really on the table or was that just rumors?
What ever happend to the JJ Hickson and Wally for Bmiller deal?
Its obvious this years a lost cause so lets get on with the rebuilding. Im getting sick of Brad Miller running around out there acting like he doesnt care. Lets get some more young guys in here and see what we can get out of them. JJ Hickson is a good young talent and wally comes off the books after this year. No point in paying Bmiller 11 mill a year to say "it stinks" that the teams losing. Well no shit it stinks so do somthing more productive like motivate the team to play harder. I just think Brad Millers time in Sacramento should end NOW!!!
Kmart is back and playing well lets bring more players around him that want to be here. Donte Greene, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes etc. Add Hickson to that mix and get rid of Brad Miller NOW. Stop waiting because if that Hickson/Wally deal gets pulled we may be stuck with this guys all year and thats just not productive anymore.
Am I the only one that thinks this? Keep in mind what we coulda got for Artest had we done the deal a year earlier than we did. I just think Bmiller needs to go now and really get this REBUILDING stage ongoing. We can be patient and take our lumps this year and do somthing in the offseason next year to improve our team along with the young talent we have.
What do you guys think?
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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as an addition
john salmons also wants out so good riddance to him aswell
Hit the clutch, hit the gear, hit the gas and im GONE!!!
by Robby1987 on
Jan 7, 2009 5:09 AM PST
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Y'all frustrate the ess outta me
“I don’t understand why Petrie hasn’t traded Miller and Thomas for LeBron James, Kobe Bryant and the reanimated Wilt Chamberlain.”
I watched the game last night, and the Kings are not a good team. We all knew this coming in. Brad Miller played phenomenally. When I see him play like that, it’s sheer joy, and also frustrating as hell, because I wonder where that skilled player disappears to for games on end.
And yeah, he has to go.
The Kings will have better luck in the FA market this summer than next, because 2010 will have too many teams in desirable locations with a ton of cap space. So now is the time to make a trade. By “now” I mean any time before the trade deadline, and this is important, the later the better.
Petrie isn’t going to give Miller or anyone else away for magic beans, but I can almost guarantee you that one thing will happen after he gets traded:
The Kings will get worse.
Hawes is emerging, and I like the trajectory, but Miller is still a superior player, especially on the offensive end. Whoever we get for him is most likely going to have an expiring contract, and it’s more likely to be three Shelden Williamses than one Shawn Marion. Get used to the idea of receiving the type of stuff we got for Bibby, because that’s the most likely scanario. You may not even want to bother learning their names, because they won’t be around next season.
I said in September, if this is an 18-win season, but the youngsters get a trial by fire, I can live with that. Well, barring something extraordinary, if Miller gets traded sooner than later, 18 may be a little unrealistic. I can still live with it, because this was never going to be the Kings’ year. There is no magic bullet out there that’s going to turn this into a good or even routinely competetive club this year.
It ain’t about now.
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by andy sims on
Jan 7, 2009 7:53 AM PST
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Andy (can I call you Andy?)
Well said, totally agree, rec’d. More than once if I could.
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by LeaguePassAddict on
Jan 7, 2009 8:05 AM PST
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Anthony Johnson, Lorenzen Wright, Tyronn Lue and Shelden Williams
There! Neener Neener! (And great comment.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 8:11 AM PST
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Absolutely
There was a caller on KHTK this morning talking about the last five moves the Kings have made that show that the team is in disarray – the firing of Theus, the Kevin Martin extension, signing Beno, trading Artest and trading Bibby. Of those five moves, the only one that is deserving of criticism IMO is the Beno signing. You can add the Garcia extension as a possible pitfall as well, but I think the jury is out on both of those issues. Really, these moves are predominantly net positives for the future of this team.
But I get the frustration – 8-28 is absolute horseshite, and only winning 3 of their last 24 (or whatever it is) could stretch the sanity of any fan. Honestly, I think the Maloofs and Petrie need to spend more time educating their fanbase on exactly what their plan is. Hell, most of us here are into the nuts and bolts of the NBA a bit more than the casual fan, but we’re only making an educated guess as to what Petrie’s trying to put together.
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by otis29 on
Jan 7, 2009 8:32 AM PST
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Another criticism of Petrie
Is he spends too much believing Omega silence is worth something. Most of the time, though, he’s honest & frank with the other teams, and they end up leaking it to the press. So I’m not really sure what the strict accord to silence is done for by any stretch.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 8:40 AM PST
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I think it's fine to keep your cards hidden
But I think a general direction statement would be nice, through the Bee, through interviews on the morning and afternoon shows on KHTK. Like we knew this would be a difficult year, we are clearing cap space to put us in position for the future, we want the kids to get plenty of playing time to see exactly what we have, etc.
And I think it needs to come from Petrie. I don’t think either Maloof comes across as the brightest bulb in the room, but Petrie’s intellect is still very respected.
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by otis29 on
Jan 7, 2009 8:44 AM PST
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Every time I've heard him talk
I’ve damn near fallen asleep. Shit, I want to do that now. Crapola.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 8:56 AM PST
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never said
lebron james. im saying jj hickson and wally. notthing close to lebron. if he pulled the trigger on that trade id be happy. this season is a lost cause might aswell look up to next season
Stang PRIDE!!!!!!!!!
by Robby1987 on
Jan 7, 2009 9:15 AM PST
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JJ HIckson and Wally World = Lebron James; Shawn Marion = Wilt?
Is that your analysis or did you just read the first sentence and respond to SacBee comments and KHTK call ins? The trades he mentioned have both been widely circulated and are not that absurd. The one issue I have, is that Robby says we have to surround Speed with players that want to be here then mentions JJ Hickson. I dont think JJ would be too happy to be traded from the Cavs to the Kings even if it meant more PT.
by passionforPERPS on
Jan 7, 2009 10:45 AM PST
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iono
he cant be more upset than brad miller is right now. i just want people that WANT to be here. you have to build that chemistry somewhere. why not start now and see where it goes? our young guys seem to have chemistry from the JT popcorn incident to just rooting for eachother. that kidna thing gets me excited and is the reason why i love hte kigns teams of the early part of this decade so much.
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by Robby1987 on
Jan 7, 2009 9:49 PM PST
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It takes time
And I still think that Petrie is the right guy for the job.
We were in the playoffs in May of 2006, just a little over two and a half years ago. As a fan, it’s easy to believe that it has been much longer than that, but it has not.
And 1 – It is interesting to me that some think of Petrie as a do little or do nothing guy. He has engineered 24 trades of various size and scope over his 14 years. I have not run comparisons to other GM’s, but a clip of almost two trades a year seems pretty prolific to me.
Deliberate? Yes. Do nothing? No.
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by section214 on
Jan 7, 2009 8:16 AM PST
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I could argue this intelligently
But I’m too tired to care, and if the right pieces come back for Brad Miller (expiring/talented young role player) it won’t matter ultimately. It’s why I’ve stopped arguing the timing for the Artest trade.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 8:27 AM PST
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If you want to question Petrie,
question his free agent signings. Ostertag? That contract that Wells turned down? Aside from Vlade (and some minimum-level guys like Bobby Brown), I can’t think of many free agents he’s brought in who have been excellent values for their money.
But his trade record strikes me as impeccable. Some trades seem like a wash to me, getting rid of players we didn’t want anymore without getting us back anyone we particularly wanted (Skinner for Monia and Potapenko, the Bibby trade, the Webber trade, etc.). But I can’t think of a single trade he’s pulled off that we’ve clearly lost, and it seems easy to rattle off trades that we clearly won. Richmond for Webber. Williamson for Christie. Williams for Bibby. Ostertag and Jackson for Wells. Peja for Artest. Even Artest for Jackson (expiring), a promising prospect (Donté) and a pick that currently projects to be in the high teens. You said he waited too long on that one; was there ever a better offer than that on the table?
A lot of us here would love to see Miller and Salmons moved on by the deadline. But I think most of are glad that the trigger is in Petrie’s hand rather than our own. My understanding is that the Cleveland and Miami deals were both the suggestions of fans and pundits rather than actual offers on the table. The Cleveland deal, in particular, made no sense for the Cavs while they were rolling and before Z got hurt (which is when I heard it most talked about).
Yeah, the season has been frustrating. But no, Petrie hasn’t been passing up golden trade opportunities.
by twasserm on
Jan 7, 2009 8:36 AM PST
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Thank God on the Bonzi deal!
I think abut that near-miss often
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 7, 2009 3:24 PM PST
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Don't forget...
Bobby Jackson was once a GREAT signing by Petrie.
by cabz on
Jan 7, 2009 11:53 PM PST
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Besides,
Besides, the closer Geoff waits to the trade deadline, the better offers he may generate. Ideally, you wait until a team is desperate enough to take K9, too. I still think that if we can’t get a true baller in return (and I don’t think we will), then the Starbury trade represents a great deal for both teams.
So, I don’t mind waiting to make the deal, because it likely increases our return.
by PhutureKings on
Jan 7, 2009 10:29 AM PST
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Robby1987
Regarding the rumours you refer to in the beginning of your post – Those particular trades never seemed like they were more than just rumours. Most of the proposed trades were all coming out of the Sacramento side and didn’t seem to have any credibility with media in the cities that were proposed trade partners. The trades work on ESPN’s trade machine, We and others perceive that Sac has a need to make some moves and then people start plugging in expiring contracts and filler into the trade machine and then presto you have a rumour. Geoff Petrie has never said that he wants to trade Brad Miller, we (the internet fan base) has said we want to trade Brad Miller. For all we know Petrie has every intention of keeping Brad through the end of his contract and then will try and resign him after his contract expires. As Otis29 said above, last night Brad played very well, same for the last game, when he and Kevin click, it’s a thing of beauty, it works.
Does it take GP too long to pull the trigger? – Shoot, I don’t know and neither does anybody else. When he gets a deal he likes he may have the fastest pen in the NBA. Now it does seem to me he is a very deliberate executive which is a good thing in my view. If the Maloofs were making the trades, players contracts would be getting shuffled like cards in Black Jack. My guess is that if a trade is made prior to the trade deadline it will be a trade we never saw coming, because for the most part the truth is despite all the rumours, we nevder see the trades coming. Patience Grasshopper.
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by Bluejohn on
Jan 7, 2009 10:56 AM PST
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Geoff always seem to say that
when he does do deals that they developed in the recent timeframe (in the last 48 hrs for instance) leading up to the deal. So, that’s something to remember I suppose.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 2:34 PM PST
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i'm interested
to hear people’s view of the “showcasing” of Kenny Thomas vs New Jersey. I realize it has been discussed previously and probably belongs in another thread…..but i would like some of your takes. My first impression (and probably yours) was that there must be a trade being discussed, with a specific team wanting to make sure K9 can still get up and down the floor and maybe contribute. Surely Natt doesn’t play him for 24 minutes just so all of the other teams know he can still run….and then not play him at all the next game. This could have been achieved with 5 minutes on the floor, not 24??
by thisismellow on
Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM PST
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I just don't know
I do know that Natt’s rotations haven’t made a lot of sense to me recently. If it was to showcase him I do think it needed to be more than 5 minutes for a bad team. I’m really stuck on how K-9 gets those minutes and Donte’ has dissappeared to the very end of the bench with QD.
I saw signs that he was starting to put some things together myself.
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 7, 2009 3:28 PM PST
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i agree
as to how he gets the minutes. what has confused me even more is that he obviously contributed more than we get from the power forward spot in many games….then he doesn’t see the floor in the next game. that is what made me think that there may have been something immediate on the horizon. if not, Natt concerns me.
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Jan 7, 2009 3:33 PM PST
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He definitely concerns me
I have a hard time believing Donte (sorry, still don’t know how to make that there fancy e) can’t get any burn at all on an 8-28 team. Natt comes out and states that Kenny Thomas is his best big man defender, but the guy doesn’t play? Not that I want to see Kenny play, but if you are doling out play time based on who is giving effort and playing defense, you’d think Kenny’s efforts would have been rewarded with a few minutes against Chicago.
And as much as everyone is on Kevin for going for the layup on the last offensive possession, I think we need to know if that play was drawn up by Natt in the timeout? After the game, Natt just mentioned that the team needed a three, but didn’t say if Kevin broke the play completely he had called? If the guys are just freewheeling it on the last play, that’s partially on Natt, partially on Kevin for not fully understanding the game situation.
If Kevin purposely ignored the play that Natt drew up, that’s a bigger problem.
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by otis29 on
Jan 7, 2009 3:49 PM PST
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yup
obviously the team is in a bad way, but now there is a lot of public criticism directed at Natt. I don’t necessarily think it is all Natt’s fault, but it seems that his Sloaneness may not be working for the vets, especially when there is no light at the end of the 2009 tunnel. So you could say the wheels have officially fallen off.
Obviously the Maloofs do not want to start paying another coach this year, but i do think it would be wise to do so. It is all well and good to hear the veterens point the finger time and time again, but it is only a matter of time until this trickles down to the youngsters (if not already). Spence, JT, BB and Donte really give the impression that they give a shit and seem like quality guys. Screw the veterans, the last thing we want is the youngens wanting out of this sunken ship.
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Jan 7, 2009 4:37 PM PST
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I think Natt is here for the season
I guess that’s a good thing since the franchise gets a chance to find out which coaches become available by the offseason. The only drawback is it would be nice to get a permanent voice in here sooner rather than later to direct the youth movement.
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
by otis29 on
Jan 7, 2009 4:45 PM PST
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I think that GP and the Maloofs are realizing
That nothing negative that was happening was much about Reggie- whether he was doing well or not.
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 7, 2009 5:40 PM PST
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You type otis
alt 0233. (Thank Kfan.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 9:44 PM PST
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Purely the right situation
It was the 3rd game of 4 in 5 days. Natt was looking for some rest for Miller because Hawes was out and may not have been available for game 4 also. New Jersey’s big are not overpowering, so K9 got some minutes. He did exceptionally well in the 2nd quarter and so did the team so Natt let him stay in the game. Thomas wasn’t as productive in the 4th but he didn’t hurt us either.
Chicago’s bigs are young athletic and too big for Thomas, and Hawes came back. So, there was no need to play Thomas. No one in the Kings organization can really believe that having K9 or Mikki play extended minutes will improve anyones oppinion of their playing ability. The words SHOW CASING have no place in the same sentence with Mikki, K9, Shelden, or even Miller.
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by HighTops on
Jan 7, 2009 3:36 PM PST
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"The words SHOW CASING have no place in the same sentence with Mikki, K9, Shelden, or even Miller."

Unless you’re at Westminster.
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by section214 on
Jan 7, 2009 3:40 PM PST
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Is that a piece of poo by the guy's knee?
That’s ok, I don’t think Kenny is housetrained either.
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by otis29 on
Jan 7, 2009 3:42 PM PST
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haha
but i think K9 would be a bull terrier in this scenario.
i’m still not convinced that his 24 minutes and then DNP were due to matchups. Matchups haven’t allowed him to hit the floor in a very long time, so why then? i definitely agree that there is no showcasing of his immense talents, but i would imagine most teams would hope a player they receive in a trade that has another 1 1/2 years on their contract can run up and down the floor and provide some training bait.
I realise i am probably wrong, but a man can dream!!
by thisismellow on
Jan 7, 2009 3:50 PM PST
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matchups! You're talking about Matchups!!
on this team?!!
(just a little Colts joke :)
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 7, 2009 5:43 PM PST
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I disagree
If I were a GM considering trading for K9, 5 minutes of burn wouldn’t get it done. I think the 24 minutes all in one game make it more likely it was a showcase, not less. Especially because he didn’t play last night.
I think Natt took the opportunity to shocase K9 because he had the opportunity. Spencer came back last night, so getting K9 showcase time going forward comes at the expense of the youngsters probably. To avoid that scenario, Natt got it done two games ago.
The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.
by ForThree on
Jan 7, 2009 3:54 PM PST
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yeah i do agree
i just thought something was up, when he played the entire 4th (it was wasn’t it?), when i didn’t think he was contributing much during that quarter, as compared do his good 2nd. Natt usually seems pretty quick to pull the trigger on substitutions when guys aren’t really contributing. i know i’m really reading between the lines, but when you’re 8-28, the space between the lines seems like the best part!
by thisismellow on
Jan 7, 2009 4:08 PM PST
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I think Natt may have been sending a message
Similar to the benching of Beno, Natt may have been sending a message to some of the other players saying in effect “If you guys aren’t gonna play any D I’ll put someone in who will”! That could explain the one game appearance of K9. If the message isn’t heard, expect to see some more of K9.
Also, Natt was quoted in the Bee a couple weeks ago saying that he has a good relationship with K9. At that point it was a foregone conclusion as fas as I was concerned that K9 would get some playing time. I certainly didn’t expect him to get so much playing time all at once though. Given that clue from Natt is seems unlikely that K9 was being showcased unless there’s been a trade cooking for a couple of weeks.
by hozr on
Jan 7, 2009 6:31 PM PST
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Did it help?
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 8, 2009 3:32 AM PST
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It doesn't appear to have helped
The only big who played better in the following game was BMiller who roughly doubled his output. It also appears that none of the bigs PT got cut, K9 basically took all the minutes that Hawes would have been allotted.
by hozr on
Jan 8, 2009 11:15 AM PST
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yep
If you’re really trying to make that point I think it takes more than 1 game to make players believe you’re serious. (shudder!!)
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on
Jan 8, 2009 2:44 PM PST
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Well that is what I was suggesting
I.e. don’t be surprised if K9 gets more PT. Natt sends a message to Beno by playing the Bobbys more (mostly BobbyJ) but who does Natt use to send messages to the bigs? Shelden or K9 and Natt doesn’t seem to care much for Shelden lately.
by hozr on
Jan 8, 2009 2:56 PM PST
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trades work best when you have another team to trade with
You could want to trade BMiller (or Artest or Bibby) but a trade involves another team. You can’t just want to trade a guy, he has to go somewhere, for something. And the something has to be something you want. And they all have to agree. Sounds easy but it isn’t. Think about the number of players and the number of teams and the few trades there have taken place.
They are GMs, we are fans. Get used to it.
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