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Delusional Mad Scientist or Trade Machine Genius? You Decide!

My God, I've done it.

I've taken some of the hottest, most believable trade rumors out there, combined them with the interests of multiple teams (and their respective goals) and put together a 3-team trade on ESPN's trade machine that would make your head spin faster than a possessed teen-aged girl's (minus the projectile vomiting).  This trade gets rid of not only Miller, not only K9 (woof), but also Salmons and Moore!!!  I honestly -- HONESTLY -- believe this trade could and should happen:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1711~356~3224~3032~2772~509~703~3000~376~556~575~1726~849&teams=23~18~18~23~4~23~23~18~18~4~18~4~18&te=&cash=

Teams involved: SAC, CHI & NYK.

# of Players: 13.

Who goes where:

SAC gets - Q-Rich (2 years, $8.7M), Marbury (1 yr, $21M), Ty Thomas (2 yrs, 3.8M) & Gooden (1 yr, 7M).

CHI gets - Salmons (3 yrs, 5M), Miller (2 yrs, 11.5M), David Lee (1 yr, 1.7M).

NY gets - Hughes (2 yr, 13M), K9 (2 yrs, 8.5M), Moore (2 yrs, 6M), Noah (2yrs, 2.3M), B-Jax (1 yr, 6.5M), Douby (1yr, 1.5M). 

Why SAC does it: Get rid of 4 malcontents at once, increase available cap space over next 2 years by an additional $2M, and shed more salary earlier (soothing luxury tax concerns).  At the end of this season the Kings would enjoy $31.3M in expiring salary (Starbury, Williams & Gooden).  The next year, another 12M in cap space expires (Q-Rich & Ty Thomas).  Plus, the Kings get the advantage of observing Ty Thomas' development & the inside track on resigning him, if desired.  CONCERNS: None that I can see...except possibly winning more games, thereby thwarting a higher draft pick.

Why CHI does it: They want frontcourt help & have had an eye on Miller.  Wouldn't you like to have Miller AND David Lee?  Of course you would.  Plus, Salmons could provide another scoring threat for the Bulls and might fit in better playing alongside Rose.  Sure, CHI is losing the promise of what Ty Thomas MIGHT become, but they're getting the reality of what Miller and Lee already can do for the team.  Miller, Lee, Deng, Salmons, Rose, Nocioni, Gordon, Hinrich & Co. sounds like a legit team.  CONCERNS: Giving up expiring contracts in this day and age is unfavorable, but looking at what they're getting in return, it seems feasible.  The Bulls lose out on Ty Thomas, but getting David Lee in return definitely eases that sting.  Plus, you still get Miller's expiring contract for 2010.

Why NY does it: The Knicks have one goal -- as much 2010 flexibility as possible.  This deal nets them an extra 6.5M in salary cap space by 2010.  Plus, they get Noah, who might actually be able to play under D'Antoni...and Douby, for whatever he MAY or may not contribute under a different system.  Sure, they give up Lee, but recent rumors have indicated that they're willing to do so if the right deal comes along.  I think this would qualify.  They get rid of Marbury's antics & gain the outside threat of Hughes' scoring.  CONCERNS: NY is reluctant to part with Lee, but D'Antoni doesn't seem to mind the idea...especially if gets them closer to signing 2 all-stars in 2010.

Where it leaves SAC:

Starting line-up = Marbury, Martin, Q-Rich, Gooden, Hawes. 

Bench = PGs -- Brown, Udrih.  SGs -- Garcia, Greene.  SFs -- Greene, JT, Garcia.  PF/Cs -- JT, TyT, Williams.

Our young guys would definitely get more playing time, we get rid of all of our bad contracts (except Beno), plus, we get to be major players in the 2009 & possibly 2010 free agency circus.

So, what do you guys think?  Is it realistic (therefore I am a trade machine genius), or a pipe dream (thereby making me a mad scientist)?

 Oh, and notice that the young core is preserved (no sacrificing Hawes, JT or Greene in this scenario).

 

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Delusional Mad Scientist or Trade Machine Genius?

Maybe both!

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Jan 7, 2009 12:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Props

for one of the best titles I’ve seen come along in some time.

by Kusian on Jan 7, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

God I love the Trade Machine...

Same idea… less parts: NY gets Hughes, Douby, Mikki and Noah. Chic gets Miller, Lee, S. Williams and K-9 and Sac gets Marbury, Ty Thomas and Gooden. I think Chic. has some cap problems next year and might not wait til 2010 to solve them. Thus losing Sheldon instead of having to pay Salmons is my thought. Plus, i think Salmons has some value for us and could net another piece by deadline (like Bargani?). Question is whether NY would essentially trade Lee for Noah and some added earlier cap space?

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jan 7, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't see the value for NY

They want to clear cap space for 2010, not 2009. This doesn’t get them any more 2010 space.

If Sac took on Jeffries (through 2011) instead of Richardson (through 2010), NY might be more willing to bite, but I don’t know that we want to take on an overpaid midlevel guy just so we can get rid of our old Thomas and bring in a new Thomas.

by twasserm on Jan 7, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Noah...

I think Noah is almost a prototypical center for DiAntoni’s offense… AND that guy is HUGE is NYC. Maybe Sac would have to add its Houston 1st rounder as the final piece, but I think Phuture is on to something here….

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jan 7, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh...

they lose $8 mil this summer and close to $30mil next summer. That’s a lot of room

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by vfettke on Jan 7, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

blah

Lee’s a RFA and they managed to do a huge deal without getting rid of Nocioni, Hinrich, or Hughes. Plus a Lee+Miller frontcourt basically rolls out a red carpet towards the basket.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

well, they did get rid of Hughes in this deal.

still. No real cap savings and both Lee and Gordon are RFAs.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 7, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gordon isn't a RFA

Lee is though.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 7, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

of course :)

Gordon’s unrestricted. I’ve had many sleepless nights over it, so you’d think i’d remember that

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 8, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I see that irony

And hatred of Jerry Reinsdorf showing once again. Brilliant!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 8, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My God Holmes

You’re flawless!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 7, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

One problem with doing this deal though

New York doesn’t have enough roster spots to do a 3 for 6 trade.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 7, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Two Problems

Not only does NY need to free up 3 roster spots but they also will pick up $6M in salary plus the same amount in Luxury Tax. Also, the KIngs pick up $3M in salary so they go into the LT also. But, Chicago loses $7.7M so they drop out of the LT, which might help sell the deal to them.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 7, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that's an issue

But not to big of a one I bet (the money issue—more the roster spots I bet).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 7, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Start Marbury?

No.

Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 7, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

I’d hope that guy never sees any court time.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Jan 7, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh how quickly we forget....

The guy hasn’t done a thing in recent memory, granted. I’d rather not see him come to Sacramento, granted. But the guy was considered a top-tier guard in this league when he went to New York. He was always a score-first point guard, but I remember watching him take over games in that Suns-Spurs series four or five (or seven, god I’m old) years ago. And he doesn’t have the game-mileage of most guys his age.

I guess my point is that I’m not a Starbury fan, but I think whoever ends up acquiring him will be pleasantly surprised and he’ll become the Comeback Player of the Year.

Final side note: lots of pairs of Starbury shoes at the local Goodwill, ya know, if you need some kicks…

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jan 7, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be pleasantly surprised

If we got him and he didn’t do something to alienate the entire Kings fanbase within the first couple of weeks.

(cough)Wackjob(cough)

Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 7, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That isn"t judgmental is it?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 7, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

If Starbury’s resume doesn’t give us the right to do some judging, when do we get that right?

Does someone have to go Rae Carruth before maybe we can say he’s sort of not a good guy?

Can we not say at this point Terrell Owens might be a little self-absorbed?

Starbury has earned his reputation at this point, and the only thing I’ll say in his defense is his shoe thing was very enlightened. I honestly don’t think Starbury is completely hopeless, but he does have a track record to make a judgement from and its hard to blame anyone at this point that doesn’t want him on our team because of his past actions.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Jan 8, 2009 6:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Seems like most of our guys

Get along pretty well. I don’t want some diva headcase coming in to mess with the team chemistry, such as it is.

And do you really think he’d do well under an interim coach?

Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 8, 2009 7:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that really scares me the most

is that GP has a penchant for taking on reclamation projects. So ixnay on the Arburystay alktay. We don’t want to plant that particular seed anywhere in GP’s range of hearing.

by hozr on Jan 8, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec ForThree

No kidding bubba.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 8, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Buy out

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by vfettke on Jan 7, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

kneecapped and muted

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Jan 7, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like Starbury, either...

…but he’s gotta be better than Beno & Co. Honestly, I’d love to see Brown starting the games now, but it seems that Theus and Natt are unwilling to do so (just as they are unwilling to start Thompson over Moore or allow Greene to get any meaningful playing time). I don’t get it…it’s not as if benching Greene and starting Moore is resulting in wins.

As far as NY needing to clear roster spots…I’m sure there would be casualties in NY (either buy-outs or waivers).

And this does get NY $6.5M MORE in 2010 cap space.

by PhutureKings on Jan 7, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jan 7, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Damn

meant to hit the apostrophe.

Can’t decide if you’re delusional or the mad genius, but I rec’d it cause it’s close enough to genius. So many of these huge trade machine monstrosities are nowhere near feasible. This one will probably never happen, but it is at least centered in reality and actual arguments. Well done.

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by Exhibit G on Jan 7, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm missing something

How does NY pick up an extra $6.5 million in cap space for 2010 if they are only dealing off contracts that expire after ’09? And if I am correct, that would mean that the Knicks net up about $23 million in contract for ’09 in this deal. Is there enough in this deal for them to do this?

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by section214 on Jan 7, 2009 7:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Scary thought
Sure, CHI is losing the promise of what Ty Thomas MIGHT become, but they’re getting the reality of what Miller and Lee already can do for the team./blockquote>

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 7, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Stephon Marbury is a Cancer

Teams are demonstrably worse when he joins them. I don’t want him within a hundred miles of this team.

by Deleran on Jan 9, 2009 6:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This team has the 3rd worst record

It won’t get that much worse if they traded for Starbury.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 9, 2009 6:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, consider this

If you’re giving up Salmons and Miller, that almost certainly gets you Marion, right? They weren’t interested in Thomas and Miller, but Salmons and Miller is something else entirely. Doesn’t everyone like a Marion trade way more?

by Deleran on Jan 9, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Don’t want Marion, except for the cap space he gives this team.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 9, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Miller & Salmons for 1/2 season of Marion is paying way too much

Unless all the talk about FA’s having to take way less money in this financial climate is true, we won’t resign Marion. That means we’re giving up Salmons & Miller for 09 cap space, and it’s not worth it. Miller & Bjax or MM works just as well. But, if the offer was ever really on the table than it probably was for Miller & Thomas.

Miami has one decision to make; Do we want a center for a year & a half, or do we want Boozer?

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by HighTops on Jan 9, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Besides,

Marion expires at the end of the seaon at only $21M. The deal above gets us $29M in expiring salary, plus the inside track on Ty Thomas.

by PhutureKings on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

I also didn’t write the fanpost either.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 10, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well-placed insult

Very well done, sir. Very well done. Perchance we can attribute to you the title of “Genius” instead.

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by iashwash on Jan 11, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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