Meet Your Three-Guard Lineup
by Tom Ziller on Oct 11, 2009 8:40 PM PDT
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PrintJason Jones of The Bee has some news from Sunday's practice on how Paul Westphal plans to address the Francisco Garcia injury.
Insert Andres Nocioni as a starter? Nope.
Pray Desmond Mason's back spasms disappear and his body as a whole holds up? Nope.
Put your eggs in the Omri Casspi/Donte Greene basket? Nope.
Stick your three best guards on the floor in the same lineup?
Yep.
Jones reports Westphal plans to rely heavily on the three-guard lineup of Kevin Martin, Tyreke Evans and Beno Udrih. It wasn't clear if these three will all be starters as the preseason moves on, or if Mason will start but cede heavy minutes to Martin and Evans at the small forward position. But Jones did report that the three guards played together with Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson (the expected frontline starters) at practice Sunday.
According to Cowbell Kingdom's lineup data through two preseason games, the three-guard lineup with Beno, 'Reke and Martin has a total plus-minus of -16. In the second game, the trio was only a -2 when playing together.
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I voted Evans-Martin-Casspi
This may not be the best option, but I think that it would be the most compelling.
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I voted the same.
I just don’t think that having Beno on the floor with Martin & Evans spreads the floor enough.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 11, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree...
probably not the best, but a really cool and fun option.
Same here.
Experience says Noc instead of Casspi but the Casspi combo makes me excited.
October 28th couldn't come soon enough.
That was my vote as well
until it fails anyway. But show me its fails, I think its something they should try and stick with a while.
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by lietothegirls on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I go Evans, Martin, Zohan
I think Casspi is legit. After two solid, yet not sensational, exhibition games I think he’ll be a contributor sooner rather than later. He’s played pro ball with NBA level players for years. Hell, his team from last year could probably take last year’s Kings. The dude’s gonna go out and work his ass off. Just start the Jew
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Noce
I rather the Kings go with Noce and let Omri earn his position in the starting line-up. I like Casspi as the first wingman off the bench though.
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Agree with you
Nocioni has does everything asked of him last season and is never at a loss for effort, so I don’t think he should lose his starting position. In this situation, the rookie should have to earn the right to start rather than being given the spot right away.
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My logic agrees with you.
But my heart/inner-fanboy picked Casspi.
October 28th couldn't come soon enough.
Let My Omri Go
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by Exhibit G on Oct 11, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Take two tablets and call me in the morning
Rec’d.
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by section214 on Oct 12, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
that's fucking hilarious
“two tablets” Ha!
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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
The Mel Brooks version
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Oct 12, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
If Casspi starts I'd be elated
because that would mean he is really really good now. But with Garcia gone I would start Udrih and then bring Noc off the bench to replace whichever of the 3 gets in foul trouble….also Tyreke could still be the point because I think Udrih makes a decent 2.
Defensively though Reke Noc and Martin would be the best. Oh Fuck! I don’t know.
If Fesenko is at center It would also affect my decision.
I went with Noce
First of all, I don’t want to see Martin starting at SF and Reke starting at SG. The whole point of Reke being a PG is to take advantage of his size and skills against other either smaller or slower PGs. With a move to the 2 to start the game that whole advantage is going to go to waste (at least at first). I want other teams to have to pick their poison with Reke and Speed in the backcourt.
As far as Noce goes, I think we have to go with him at the 3 to start not really for what he brings to the table but just because Omri, IMO, is not ready to be a starter yet. Yes, his stats look really good for a low first rounder after a couple preseason games but after seeing him in action twice (open practice and Blazers game) I don’t think he’s gonna have the impact the box score suggests. Before getting his points against the Blazers he looked lost on the court, like he was still looking for his niche. Yes, he made hustle plays and helped get the team get back at the end of the game, but I don’t think there’s going to be these type of opportunities at the beginning of the 1st quarter.
To me, starters need to come in, and set the tone. They need to execute plays and follow the game plan designed before hand. How the team approaches the oponent may change after every quarter but, at the beginning, at least for me, there needs to be an understading of what’s going to be run. I don’t see Omri having that understanding yet. He needs to get his feet wet in this league, and I don’t think the best way of doing this is throwing him out as a starter. It’s all about putting him in the best place to succeed and I don’t think a starter role is that place…. yet.
The future begins now...
by eduardo_m7 on Oct 11, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Very well put
and my sentiments exactly. I think the situation will work out better for the team and better for Omri if Noc starts. And if Omri plays well consistently, then let him have a shot at the starting spot.
Usually I’m a ‘As long as we’re rebuilding, play the kids kinda-guy’. But even for me, we would be getting a little ahead of ourselves by starting Omri this early.
Well said, ed7.
I voted for Casspi for excitement’s sake. However, I do agree with the idea that Casspi coming off the bench is the best way for a rookie to learn how to observe, learn and adjust to the ebb and flow of an NBA game at NBA-speed.
October 28th couldn't come soon enough.
Voted for Reke - Martin - Casspi ...
But I know deep down that Casspi, even with is playing professionally in his homeland, doesn’t have the experience to start yet. There is no professional experience quite like the NBA. It is the toughest league in the world because it is! Players from all over the world come to the US to test their talent against the best players in the world. Casspi is a very talented player. He has an all around game that makes him very useful for coaches to put him in and watch him go! Time will tell if he develops an “NBA Quality” to his game in some aspect to allow him to be a starter and compete for minutes. Most NBA analysists agree that it is somewhere between year 2 and year 3 that a player finally “Gets It” and they begin to play at an NBA level in some aspect of their game.
Very Rarely do players come in and are ready to START right off the bat. In fact it is so rare that when it does happen (ie King James) it is celebrated. Again Casspi has talent in many areas of his game. He does not possess an NBA level of competance at any aspect of his game YET. Starting Noci is a solid choice because he DOES have NBA talent in his game, and he is a proven commodity. He may be lacking in other areas but he has the experience and ability to start for the Kings. That doesnt mean that Noci is going to be able to hold off the young Casspi forever.
As the season progresses, it is quite possible that Casspi develops an NBA quality to his game this year. Everyone says it is more important who finishes the game, not who starts. This is true, but the media and fans place too much importance or who is the starter. After seeing Casspi in summer league and preseason, I believe it is only a matter of time before he cracks the starting lineup and is in the game at crunch time. You will be able to tell if he is making progress by how many minutes Casspi gets and if he IS in the game at the end.
So Reke – Martin – Noci will be the most likely starting combination for the start of the season. But I would be surprized if that is the combination that finishes the season. Noci is good trade bait for a team in contention to plug in at the 3 spot. More draft picks are what the Kings need while they are still rebuilding. We need More and Better bigs. We need a lot of holes filled. Let’s give Casspi his time to develop and EARN his spot in the starting lineup.
p.s rec’d for the common sense post !
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
Although I voted the other way
I guess I know that Ed and Fstrm are correct.
Well said both.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Oct 12, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
The argument against Omri starting for lack of experience makes no sense
There are plenty of rookies that entered the league with little experience and kicked ass. Look at Rose last year. Talent trumps experience any day of the week.
Also, Omri has a million times more experience than Tyreke, yet you vote for him to start. If you’re going to argue for the importance of experience, at least be consistent.
There is some logic to your arguement
But, you lose some cred by comparing the 1st & 4th picks in the draft with the 23rd pick. Granted Omri does have 3 years of experience on a professional team, but no where near the caliber of a NBA team. You’d probably win the arguement if you were comparing Donte to Omri, but not Evans.
I’d rather not go into the develop the youth now and to hell with wins arguement. But, I would like to see the Kings win against that team from Southern California on Thursday. So, my choice would be to start someone who has experience and a proven track record. Omri’s time will come, but having some success in limited minutes in 2 preseason games doesn’t justify winning the starting position. If 2 games had that much importance, Diogu would still be on the team.
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Hmm..
Just thinking here that to not consider Omri’s, was it 3 years, years of professional experience outside of the US when he shot something over 40% seems a bit NBA-centric. I hear you that it isn’t the same caliber, but you can’s dismiss it either.
I can agree that maybe Omri shouldn’t start, but I don’t think you should just assume playing Omri is “develop the youth now and to hell with wins.” That is doing a disservice to this guy.
Limited minutes and doing OUTSTANDING along with solid non-NBA professional experience may count as experience enough to justify at minimum increased playing time.
I totally agree with increased playing time.
For Donte as well.
But, as I said, the euro game is not the same as the NBA. The lane is different, the calls are different, & I believe the 3pt line is different. Contact isn’t called the same and either is goaltending & blocking shots off the backboard. It’s just a different game.
It’s a disservice to the other 4 starters, who are breaking their back to try to win, to have the coach put a rookie into the game that isn’t the best player, just to move his development along. People need to stop looking from their perspective and start seeing it from the vantagepoint of the other 10 players on the team.
How would you feel if you spent your whole summer working to try and put a 17 win season behind you. You come out and give 100% trying to win, and then the coach puts in someone who isn’t ready, just so that in 2 years he’s ready to contribute. If you really want to kill team chemistry and team moral, give a rookie minutes that aren’t deserved and have him lose the game
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by HighTops on Oct 12, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well put HT
and let me add a couple things to my original point.
I really don’t want to make myself the ‘bearer of truth’ but I’ve been lucky enough to see Omri play a couple times and I have seen things that you can’t see in the box score. I would like to ask others who were there for the Blazers game or the open practice and ask them: did you pay attention to Omri during those games? Did he come off as knowing what he was doing or where he needed to be on the court? Did hemake plays that made you think he’s a starter in this league (right now and even on this team)?
I freaking love what Casspi brings to the court in terms of skills and hustle and I’m really confident he will make a difference on this team. I’m rooting for the guy and want him to succeed but I don’t think he’s ready yet. The intangbles he brings to the table are going to earn him minutes but IMO it’s just not enough to rush him into the starting lineup. It’s not so much about experience in years playing the game, it’s more of understanding the NBA game and what comes with being the starter of a team.
Again, I would really like to hear from those of you who were there to see these games. I could be totally wrong and maybe didn’t pay enough attention. I just think we need more than just looking at the box score
The future begins now...
I saw the second game
I was watching him and he was moving well away from the ball. I was frustrated in the latter half of the second game because Beno was running the ball for the most part and kept missing a wide open Casspi on the three point line.
If he did that in the first game and was getting passed the ball that would account for his getting the buckets. I think that in any league getting wide open shots translates into shooters getting easy buckets. So, I think he knows what’s up.
I couldn’t vote on the above cause I know in my head that we should probably start Noc at SF (that is the conventional wisdom), but would rather see Casspi there. I think that he has shown more than Noc so far in pre-season. Noc hasn’t done as well. He came out looking good in the first few minutes of the second game, but then sort of disappeared even when on the court… So I am not sure that even Noc would qualify using your criteria.
So, it is just hard to call. I agree that I don’t want to see Martin at SF. I would rather see Evan (PG) and Martin (SG), then Beno to back up Martin and Sergio playing minutes at PG.
This was in Amick's piece on Greene
He mentions Noc being hurt.
Desmond Mason was active in his second practice back after missing time because of back spasms. Andres Nocioni (hamstring), Sean May (flu) and Spencer Hawes (ankle) also had missed time.
It’s a little to early (2 preseason games) to make a accurate accessment on which player is best. All we really have is their past performance. Noc has shot 3’s well, defended well, rebounded well & has been able to drive to the rim & finish well. None of the others have shown his overall game against NBA talent.
The conventional wisdom is to go with the player that has done it in the past, until someone proves that they can do it better now. The horse with the winning record is called the Favorite. The horse without a record is called the LongShot. Longshots pay off big, but you’ll lose more with the longshot than the favorite. Off course we aren’t really betting real money here, so we can’t really lose.
Thought you might like the analogy because of your screen name.
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Thanks!
I appreciate the analogy. Here’s another,
I will take my Mustang with its 350 hp over the stock 220 hp model any day. I guess we need to see what is under Casspi’s hood. I hope that Omri is supercharged enough to blow away the competitors.
Just a hunch, but
I would bet that Casspi’s former team could beat his current team.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 14, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I miss something
What’s the scouting report on Omri’s shooting. I thought he was average or less. I know he shout 45% from 3 oversea’s but that’s a shorter 3. I could be having a brain fart but I thought he was rapped for his shooting….and did most his damage on the run
Didn't Sam Amick report that Westphal was leaning towards D. Mason as the starter not too long back?
Does he think Mason just won’t be healthy enough? Or did he just change his mind?
Went with E-M-C
Though I also believe right now it might be better for both the team and Casspi to come off the bench, just to help him develop his game, and his bursts of energy off the pine can be a game changer.
Eventually though I think Evans Martin Casspi would be a good starting lineup.
p/s: Might be just me, but I get a Toni Kukoc vibe from Casspi.
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by elfboy_ on Oct 11, 2009 9:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sorry... should have been a T-K-O lineup.
Tyreke-Kevin-Omri
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by elfboy_ on Oct 11, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
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That would be epic
but a year away probably.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Oct 12, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted
Evans-Martin-Noce. Although I could see Beno-Martin-Noce starting, but with Evans getting the majority of the minutes at PG.
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I don't get it
How did Tyreke go from oversized point guard to undersized Small Forward? You’d rather start Beno (BENO.) at point guard than Nocioni at Small Forward? WTF? I don’t understand.
Wow, Caspi getting a lot of love!!
I guess no one wants to see veterans like Noc or Mason start at the 3 because everyone kinda knows what to expect with those vets on the floor. Both Mason and Noc are castoffs from other teams, and Caspi is a new and exciting option at the 3. He isn’t exactly a rookie, having played professionally for like 5 years, so he wont freeze up or be nervous. I think the lineup of:
1 – Reke
2 – Martin
3 – Caspi
4 – JT
5 – Hawes
…Is a young and exciting lineup. Every one of those players can run and can shoot. Hawes is a legit 7 footer, JT is a legit rebounder, Caspi is a scrappy (coco) hustler, Martin is a top flight shooter, and Reke is a slashing scorer with pg skills. Caspi can help with the ball handling and he is a good shooter. With this base offense, they could win some games.
The key is the young bigs have to make improvement in their games this year. Hawes should have the biggest improvement since this is his 3rd season, and JT should have some improvement in his game in his second year. Without the bigs getting better, there is no hope for this team. The firepower in the back court in this lineup would be substantial. You always have to wonder about defense and rebounding. This lineup would be pretty good on defense and a very good group offensivly . Noc would be your first guy off the bench, and May would rotate in to give the bigs a rest. After that, the bench looks pretty thin. Beno and Rodriguez would certainly be able to play for stretches. Not sure how they work Brockman into the mix however. It will be interesting to see how PW is going to rotate his bench in and who will get the minutes. With Garcia injured, there are more minutes available for the 2’s and 3’s. Lets see how that small ball starting lineup works! We already know that they will have a size problem with teams like Portland, but what about other teams.
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I voted Evans, Martin, Casspi
But I would also go Evans, Martin, Nocioni before I went Beno, Evans, Martin.
Beno, Evans, Martin is just too weak defensively, and we want Tyreke to act as the point guard. You lose a little bit of what makes an Evans and Martin backcourt so special by adding Beno into the mix and bumping Evans or Martin to the frontcourt.
My thinking is that Mason’s back is still troubling him, and by the time he can play, he’ll be the SF and this is just what Westphal is rolling with for now. He also sees Casspi a lot more than us, and maybe he thinks that he’s not quite ready for big time minutes yet, and he’s not going to coddle him.
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91% against PW
So, PW says that he wants to play the 3 guards and 91% of StR think he is wrong. I have to say that I agree 100%. Having a back court of Beno and Evans is not, IMHO, a good idea, a decent option, or going to win games.
Beno should come in as a backup to Martin at SG. Garcia was probably going to have to fill that role like he has done in the past. He is out and Beno is probably the best spot shooting option.
I just don’t want to see Beno running PG. I would rather have more of an Evans then Sergio combination at PG. I know that Beno looked good on paper, stats wise, in the second pre-season game, but I didn’t like what I saw when he handled the ball. The latter part of the game really reminded me of the dull and sad games of last year. There wasn’t a lot of movement away from the ball.
Beno seems to prefer more set half-court type plays at PG where everybody stands around waiting and not moving without the ball. Beno can make set plays happen like that, but I really don’t, IMHO, think he has enough transition PG abilities. It seems like he needs to be the one moving and not anybody else. What I liked that I saw as different from both Evans and Sergio at PG was that the passes they made were when everybody was on the move. Movement away from the ball was much more active and transition points seemed more likely because of that. Especially true when Evans ran the ball, but even Sergio would do better IMHO.
I want to see a dynamic transition game and I just don’t think Beno can deliver. I know Evans can deliver and he better be running this ball at PG.
Evans - Martin - Noc
I was tempted to pick Greene instead of Noc, but Noc gets the nod in terms of all-round game and experience.
There’s no way in hell I’m putting anyone 6’5" (Mason) at the SF position, unless they’re ultra-talented or have great athleticism or a huge wingspan to make up for it.
Noc has hustle, defense, and somewhat of a decent enough offensive game to place him as the starting SF, comparable to Garcia.
Greene has increased his defense, but still lacks an offensive game.
I feel that Casspi is like a younger version of Noc (rounded game), except with great slashing ability. The reason I’d bench him for now is he’s still a rookie and needs a bit more experience in the NBA before the Kings could call him a starter. Noc will be a great mentor for him.
by CloudyEyes on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
SF rotation
Does that mean you would go Noc, Greene, and then Omri?
I could see Noc, but then Omri. Greene isn’t showing enough whereas Omri has played really well pre-season.
Greene is only in his second season.
He still has time to pull out of the nose dive his game is in. Most analysts agree that players usually develop their game at an NBA level between years 2 and 3. This year could be a huge year for Greene, and if he can improve his defense so as not to be a liability, he will get more minutes to show what he has on offense. He cant just jack up 3’s for his offense. He needs to develop a drive to the hoop or a midrange game. Unless he becomes deadly from outside like Peja ( very rare ) he will have to come up with a more diverse offensive game, I’d like to see Greene develop a post up game. With his athleticism, he could be a great post up 3 against many 3’s in this league because of his height and hops! But this is really his year to shine. If it doesnt happen this year, he might become D-League fodder and get his paycheck in europe eventually. It is all up to Greene and how hard he works. Plus he needs some luck. Hope he “Gets It” eventually and does become our starting 3.
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Yup
2 pre-season games isn’t enough to warrant a starting position. Plus, his sample size is relatively small in those 2 games. (16ish mins per?) I’d rather have him develop and be benched for now. Greene (like anyone else) has something to prove in his 2nd or 3rd season.
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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe the next game is against some team from Southern California
And, I believe that the starting SF might be Artest or maybe Odom. That’s a pretty tough assignment to hand to a rookie 3 games into the preseason.
We could we ok with Beno on Fisher and Tyreke on Kobe, but Martin is way outside his weight class playing the SF.
Beno is shooting ok but his defense & playmaking is as bad as ever. Tyreke & Martin are a priemer backcourt duo and should be more than capable of playing LA’s backcourt straight up. So, who do we have that can play Artest? Mason’s coming off back problems, Omri & Green might challenge with their height and athleticism, but they lack experience.
Tyreke, Martin, & Noc. at least for the next game. Thought I might have gone with Mason if he hadn’t be hurt lately.
I’m not sold on Beno. I think Sergio’s game more resembles Tyreke’s. So, just as a matter of maintaining continuity on offense, I like Sergio backing up Tyreke. Better defense too.
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Yeah no way Martin can handle Artest or Odom
Part of this is why the Lakers have such an advantage against most teams, but part of this is why Kevin simply shouldn’t be moved to 3. Westphal says the 2 and 3 are identical… on offense. The fact that he doesn’t acknowledge the implications for defense worries me.
Yea, there is a big difference between the 2 and 3 Defensively.
No way you should expect Martin to check Artest or Odem. They are too big and they are just as fast. Nocioni or Mason is the likely suspect for the 3 against that So Cal team. I can see Casspi getting some significant minutes however. His size and athleticism give him a chance at checking Odom, but I dont think there is anyone on the Kings that can put Artest in check. Artest is a bad matchup for most teams. The best you can do is put a faster player to make Artest work on defense and hope he gets worn down chasing the faster player. Artest is a rare athlete. He doesn’t get worn down very easily, even at his advanced basketball age.
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Evans-Martin-Nocioni
Without Garcia I think Noce is the best fit in terms of experience, defense and shooting. He had a high percentage from beyond the arc last season, so he’d help to spread the floor for Evans and KMart penetrations.
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I voted "Meh"
Which is the Evans, Martin Nocioni option. I think there is a lot of different lineup’s PW can use, and I have no idea beyond what’s already being said on how this will work.
I’m not sold on Casspi at any point yet because of his pre-season performance. Pre-Season performance is nice I suppose; but it doesn’t mean anything until the regular season.
So as I said, I voted “meh”.
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Omri has made 2 of 3 three pointers….in preseason….and suddenly he stretches the defense better than Beno and Nocioni.
Beno is a 35% shooter from 3pt range for his career, Nocioni shot better than 40% from 3 for us last year.
I voted Evans-Beno-Martin because I want to know early in the season if Beno is going to be a professional and salvage his pride, or if he’s going to be an asshat, sulk and whine in the corner and cash his big checks.
If Mason is healthy, against athletic scoring 3’s he’d start (Evans-Martin-Mason), against big, physical teams Evans-Martin-Nocioni. Most of the time, I’d go with the 3 guards.
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I voted the same. We need Noc to help out up front and I’m sorry Omri is still a project. Same goes for Dé3. My preference would be to not guarantee Mason’s deal and roll with Beno as the starting 2 and let Sergio back up Tyreke at PG and Donté and Omri can back up Kevin.
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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
What happened to Sergio?
The guy of “Speedy Spaniard” fame. I can see him on the floor with Evans at the two and Martin at the 3. Not even an option. Surprising. I therefore voted “none of the above”.
IMO, Omri is too green and Donté if well, Green-er. After last season, Beno has to earn his minutes.
Rodriguez can't shoot
Is the reason behind that reasoning.
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and again, this season they re-surface
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by betweentheeyes on Oct 12, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree on the Beno part
I think he backs up Martin at 2 as the SG. He should have to earn his minutes from there.
I just wonder if the reason that Noc is out is that he isn’t jumping on the PW bus. Why not start a guy like that?
I am also a fan of Sergio, but he needs to stop making some pretty stupid mistakes before he is ready to start. Interesting thought of those three though… Small ball could be very dynamic that way.
Beno will prove all naysayers wrong.
Beno is poised to have a great year. He is looking lean and mean. He looks at least 5-10 pounds lighter than last year. The pressure is off him having to play 40 minutes and dish out 10+ assists, which is incapable of doing. He is going to be able to go out, and do his thing. Which is getting into the lane consistently, making the dime-stopper shots @ 50+% clip, getting to the hoop for opportunistic lay-ins. Don’t underestimate the lefty, he can play.
it is not his skills we question
it is his heart
Beno will prove all naysayers wrong.
(oh, and his decision making skills, oh and his defense, oh and his whining, oh and his injury history, oh and …the only “o” I don’t question is the “o” in Beno). ALL naysayers, never happen.
by betweentheeyes on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? Let's hope.
I hope you are right because with Garcia out it would be really good to see something amazing out of Beno.
I just hope “his thing” isn’t the PG position and ball handling because I think Evans will be better there. Driving off of Evans feeds once Evans breaks down the D (cause Beno doesn’t do it as well) or firing up some nice spot shots and making 3s. That I could see happening.
Let’s hope the NBA really is where “Amazing happens” as I want to be amazed. Amazed to see Beno play great ball, great enough to get somebody to take him in trade for a good Center.
I guess I'd like to change my vote
my heart says give casspi a shot, my head says that for a number of reasons it should have always been Noce.
(with heavy minutes for the kid)
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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I didn't vote for that reason
I was torn… I know Noc should probably start, but would love to see it be Omri.
Probably should have Noc start. Get him fired up and playing well so they can trade him about the time that Omri is ready to start, but then I guess the priority may be to trade Beno instead. At least I hope that is why they plan to start him…
No, I'm guessing a Noce trade will be the priority
Assuming Casspi and hopefully Donte’ start to develop. Timing would be just about right as Cisco gets back on the floor. We’re more likely to get a decent prospect back from a contender on a Noce trade.
BUT – I’d guess they’ll welcome a Beno trade as well though if Evans keeps looking good.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If they can dump Noc's contract for an expiring
You can bet your ass they’re going to be dumping Noc.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What I liked most about this article..
Was the commitment from PW to making Donte a smarter more useful offensive basketball player. I thought it was the main focus of the article. I particularly liked PW’s line about convincing Donte to remove the “take me out of the game” sign off his back. This is exactly the kind of development I would hope to see out of Donte and exactly the kind of guidance I would expect from PW.
I also didn’t realize that Noc had been hurt (hamstring) and wonder how much his injury has affected PW’s opinion on Noc’s playing time.
As far as the 3 guard idea is concerned, I have a feeling PW is trying to get as many well-performing players on the floor at once as he can. Beno, Speed, and Reke all had good games last week. But I cannot imagine that PW would try to play small against a big line-up like the Lakers put on the floor.
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