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The View from Section 115, Row B aka 'Seats Kenny Thomas Would Like'

So a couple of days ago, I had no idea that I would be going to this game.  In a surprising turn of events, a friend offered me this absolutely amazing ticket for free because the former owner bailed at the last minute and he didn't want to waste it.  Having never even been seated on the lower level before, this was an opportunity I could not pass up, and boy was it worth it.

Before I get into a detailed recap though, here are a few fun tidbits from the Game.

  • Me and my friends were seated nearby several Stephen Jackson hecklers.  At one point one of them yelled "Hey Stephen, we'll trade our waterboy for you!".  I yelled back at them "Nah, I'd rather have the waterboy."  They heartily agreed.
  • Andris Biedrins has one of the worst free throw shooting forms I've ever seen. It's ugly.
  • Kayte Christensen should seriously consider modeling.  She's absolutely stunning.
  • Peaches had the Yankees game on a second television by him. Figures.
  • The Slam-Wow commercials the Kings filmed in the Summer were played after the 1st quarter and the crowd absolutely loved it.
  • Desmond Mason has serious hops.  I think his feet almost cleared the rim going for a rebound once. Obviously an exaggeration, but you get my point.
  • If I didn't know who he was, I would not question Stephen Curry's presence on a middle school campus.
  • Andrew Nicholson got a haircut. Finally.
  • Sign Lady was there with a "Young and Fun" Kings sign.
  • Anthony Morrow will win a 3-point contest sometime in his career.   During warm-ups he looked like he was shooting layups from long distance.
  • For a preseason game, there wasn't a bad crowd.  There were actually more Kings fans than Warriors fans too, although the Dubs did have a sizable contingent.
  • The replacement refs for this game looked like they were bouncers or MMA fighters, not refs.  They were in incredible shape. I wouldn't argue with them.  Didn't stop Spencer though.  They did seem to have more missed calls than regular, but it really wasn't out of hand.

Alright onto the real analysis.

Star-divide

This was a Kings team unlike any I had seen before.  Grit. Hustle. DEFENSE.  I can tell you this, we won't just give up and let teams run roughshod over us this year.  Teams will still beat us on a regular basis, but they'll definitely have to earn it.  Westphal really seems to be having an influence on this team as a whole.  Throughout the game, Westphal was extremely active in calling his players out on defense, particularly Donte and Omri.  On a couple of sequences in the second half, Omri blew his defensive assigment and Westphal called a timeout and went off on him.  Omri came back and played some pretty damn good defense.  Westphal also seemed to outcoach Nelson in taking advantages of the mismatch opportunities that presented themselves when Nellie went with his Small Ball lineups, using timely substitutions and timeouts.  I really like Westphal.

The first quarter, the Kings were playing some of the best defense I had seen them play since the Artest days.  One qualm I had though was that it didn't seem as if anyone was talking, but they were getting the job done.  We were also destroying them on the boards.  Our starters clearly outplayed them.

The second quarter, the Kings bench came in and the defense that had been so good vanished.  Same with the rebounding.  The Warriors began to catch up in both boards and points, forcing Westphal to reinsert the starting lineup, which brought some semblance of peace to the chaos, although the Warriors still played relatively well.

The second half was an absolute disaster in terms of the offense.  At my count, the Kings had NO assists at all in the 3rd quarter, and the turnovers continued to pile up.  But the defense and rebounding kept the Kings in the game. The Kings then had 5 assists in the 4th, which helped cushion the lead enough for us to win.  The Kings were playing so horribly on offense during the 2nd half, it seemed remarkable at times that we were still winning.  And yet our defense and hustle came through in the end and we won.  It was sort of refreshing to think about what might be when both the defense and offense are consistent.

On to individual player recaps:

Kevin Martin: He looked like a complete basketball player.  He was looking to get teammates involved, staying in front of his man, and getting his hands into the passing lanes.  He only ended up with 2 steals, but he deflected quite a few more passes away from their intended recipient.  He even did a pretty great job guarding Anthony Morrow, who never really had too many open looks. On offense he just looked unstoppable, and the Kings showed just how amazing the Martin-Evans backcourt pairing can be.  Because Evans was doing whatever he wanted, the Warriors switched Jackson on him, which while it slowed 'Reke down a bit, forced Curry to handle Martin for a while.  When this happened, the Kings fed the ball to Kevin in several post up situations, most of which either resulted in a basket, a foul, or both (of Curry's 5 fouls, 4 were on Kevin for sure).  The Dubs didn't really have an answer for K-Mart, putting Ellis, Curry, Watson and Maggette on him at times.  None of those 4 really gave him any problems at all.  Martin looked like he was leading by example out there.  And his 32 points were some of the quietest 32 points I've ever seen.

Tyreke Evans:  Wow. Just wow. Tyreke Evans stopped Monta Ellis. Absolutely shut him down.  Every single time Ellis took it to the hoop, he did it with Tyreke's hand right above the ball.  And when Ellis went to shoot jumpers, Tyreke's hand was there.  In fact 3 of Ellis's FGs came against Beno Udrih in a span of about 5 minutes in the second half. Tyreke was only credited with one block, but he honestly had at least 3, all on Ellis drives (but I guess Spencer and Jason got credit). Evans was the anchor of the defense.  On offense, he did whatever he wanted early.  The Warriors started out by putting Ellis on him, but that didn't work.  Then Morrow tried. Then Watson. No luck there.  Finally Nelson went with Jackson on Evans for the rest of the game, and Jackson did a decent job of limiting 'Reke's penetration (which is absolutely insane).  Surprisingly, Reke made the majority of his jumpers (which were only about 4 or 5, I think he made 3) and his stroke actually looked damn good.  Westphal looked extremely pleased after another swish.  His playmaking was sort of lousy today though.  2 of his 6 turnovers came because he wasn't fully in control of the ball and made a silly mistake  after running into a crowd.  Another 2 were fantastic strips by the Warriors.  And the other 2 were the result of dribbling the ball of his foot.  But he did have several passes that ended up becoming free throws.  I was very pleased by Evans, even with the turnovers.

Jason Thompson:  Domination.  This is what Jason Thompson did to the Warriors.  He ate them alive.  The Warriors had nobody to compete with him, not Randolph, Maggete, Jackson or Biedrins.  This guy named Shaun Pruitt actually did a decent job of staying in front of him, but he barely got any playing time.  JT just out-worked everyone else for those boards.  He also did an excellent job on defense, getting a couple of really nice blocks, and only got two fouls as well.  His jumper looked smooth when he shot it, but he only shot maybe one or two.  Most of his points came on the inside.  He had an absolutely monstrous dunk in the 4th quarter.  Randolph played ok against him, but you got the feeling that JT was almost too much for him to handle, at least at this point in his career.  It reminded me of the Oden/Bynum v. Hawes situations.  Again, nobody on the Warriors was strong enough to guard JT.  Looking at the boxscore after the game I was really surprised by the 5 assists, because I hadn't noticed them (there weren't many to notice unfortunately), but he led the team in assists too which is great.

Spencer Hawes:  Spencer was better than Andris Biedrins tonight.  He had some really slick post moves to get away from Biedrins and Randolph, but he did get frustrated with the referees.  He played solid defense against a small Warriors squad, and one of his fouls was a come from behind block on Randolph that pinned the ball between the rim and the backboard.  It looked to be all-ball, as did another block Spencer had that he was whistled for, but I will take the effort.  Spencer was clearly frustrated though.  Westphal didn't seem to want to risk his ankle any further and so sat him for most of the second half. As for his threes, they were both good shots, wide open. I didn't mind him taking them.  One time though, he did pump fake a three and then attempt to drive on Randolph.  He promptly got stripped by Randolph.  I don't think I want Spencer trying to drive the ball in from the 3 point line.  Either shoot or pass.

Desmond Mason:  I wasn't wowed by Mason (except for on one rebound, which eventually was called a loose ball foul), but he played solid defense, especially on Maggete near the end of the game.  Maggete made some absolutely ridiculous shots though, but you can be sure it wasn't because Mason wasn't trying.  He did seem to be a little out of rhythm though, getting called for a few fouls when his defender blew by him and he chose to send them to the line instead.  Mason's offense is basically nonexistant other than for putbacks.

Omri Casspi: The Zohan is not ready to start.  But he is ready to be part of the main rotation.  In the game he started out playing too haphazardly, losing his defensive assignment or being too out of control on offense.  Westphal seemed to ride Casspi particularly hard during this stretch, and Casspi ended up turning in a very nice game, especially defensively.  Stephen Jackson had been the only Warrior really doing damage to us throughout the game, but Casspi really bothered him, and  he only ended up with 6 points with Casspi on him, and Casspi also did a nice job with his help defense, getting a block on Ellis as he drove to the basket. Casspi had a tough time fighting through screens, but he set some pretty good ones himself.  His shot also looks so much better than I had expected to see from him.  Even when they don't go in, his shot looks good.  Around the basket though, Casspi tends to throw up his shot too softly, which ended up resulting in a big block by Randolph.  But he was persistent with some of his shots, and I think he's going to be a very good rebounder for his position.  He never gives up on a play.

Beno Udrih: This was a game of two Benos.  2nd quarter Beno was absolutely horrendous.  He kept driving into lanes that weren't open and just making ill-advised decisions all around.  He ended up being benched for it along with the rest of the 2nd quarter unit after the Warriors came back to take the lead.  But in the 4th quarter, when the offense had become stagnant, Beno was a new player.  He had a couple drives to the basket that were reminiscent of Tyreke Evans.  He kept the ball moving, and stayed in front of his man on defense.  He blew by Ellis a couple more times for open free throw jumpers that barely missed, but I give Udrih a lot of credit for the improved offense and ball movement of the 4th quarter.  We just need that Beno to show up instead of the other one.

Sean May: May only played a little bit, but he was pretty effective while he was in there.  He had an absolutely spectacular block, and showed some nice range on his shot.  He was left wide open in the corner for a three, and I was surprised when he shot it.  He missed, but it was a very near miss.  May was just all around effective.

Andres Nocioni: For only three minutes, Noc had a rough game.  He actually seemed worse on defense than much of the team, and couldn't stop several Warriors.  He was a key reason why the Warriors were able to battle back in the 2nd quarter.

Jon Brockman: Boxscore has to be wrong on his minutes played (4 rebounds in 16 seconds? He was in for a good 5-6 minutes).  But Brock Ness was everywhere.  Even when he didn't get the board, he was in the vicinity of the ball.  He also set an absolutely vicious pick on CJ Watson that he ended up being whistled for, but it was still a thing of beauty.  On defense, he pestered whoever he was on (which was mostly Biedrins).  Brock played well for his limited time.

Donte Greene: Ah Donte.  He looked pretty lost at times, and like Omri, blew a few defensive assignments early, leading Westphal to continually call him over and berate him for it.  Donte had an ok game, but I would hesitate to call it a success.  He really needs to go to the D-League for a while and get a lot of game time.  I'm starting to lose faith in his potential a little bit.

And there you have it folks, my recap.  If you have any questions let me know, I'll try to answer as best I can. I hope you enjoyed it, and I know you guys will enjoy the Kings this year.  Even with the inevitable losses, this is going to be a very fun team to watch.

EDIT:

I always am dissappointed when I read opposing teams blog recaps and I don't ever hear any mention of our players, so here you are random Dubs fans, my impressions, good and bad of your team.

  • Stephen Curry is way quicker than I ever thought.  He's also got great court vision and a great handle.  When his shots finally start to fall down like they did at Davidson, you guys will be happy campers.  He has no real defensive skills to speak of though, but you guys already knew that.  And he also had some really beautiful drives and finishes.
  • Anthony Randolph needs to bulk up.  He also didn't really seem like he was trying too hard to get boards.  JT really out hustled him. He's going to be a block machine in a few years though.
  • Maggs had a really, really quiet 28 points.  He made some absolutely ridiculous fadeaway jumpers.
  • Stephen Jackson is your guys best defender.  He was the only one who could stop Evans penetration at all.  But I still wouldn't want him on my team.
  • Monta Ellis was pretty much schooled this game, most of the time by Evans and Martin, but even Beno broke his ankles with a crossover at one point.  And Ellis's drives to the basket were repeatedly denied.
  • Shaun Pruitt is a biiiig guy.
  • Anthony Morrow has a sweet looking shot.  He needs to learn to create for himself though.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Thanks, Aykis. Awesome stuff.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Oct 18, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Co-sign

Tremendous recap.

by Ziller on Oct 18, 2009 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thirded

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Oct 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Running the train...

…on a great recap.

Is my banana fluffy enough?

by 27freethrows on Oct 18, 2009 8:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Aykis

I noticed things being that I wasn’t at the game (obviously) that maybe help supplement your observations (all excellent).

I think part of the reason Hawes came out, even though I woudln’t be surprised to see any of the reasons you listed as a factor too, was that Hawes had his 4th foul and was frustrated with the ref’s as you say. (It was hard for me to tell what was going on listening to the Warriors broadcast.)

It’s funny that you mentioned your Beno of 2 halves. I noticed the same thing, but I thought I was alone. (I’m glad to see I was not.) What I was shocked by was to see the boxscore and see Beno shot so poorly.

Your point about Evans is what will happen to every team. What is interesting to see what happens when the other guys start defending Evans instead of Martin, and what transpires from that.

The Kings killed the Warriors tonight in rebounding (this is a trend) by 16. If you told me before the game that Hawes in 24 mins, would out rebound Biedrins by 1, who played 25 mins, I would have not believed you. Hawes is slightly better rebounding than he was a year ago if numbers are any indication.

I think we’re in total agreement about Mason. It’s not about him starting as much as the Kings want Casspi to beat out Mason to earn the spot at this point. That speaks I think to the player development that PW does and the method he’s doing it in.

The Kings may not win 25 games this year, but they are on the right track. To echo 214’s above comment, awesome stuff indeed Aykis. Well done sir.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What game were you at?

Nah, you nailed it, Aykis. Very thorough and accurate summary.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 18, 2009 12:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well damn. Looks like you beat me to the punch.

Also, I have to conclude that you are a more astute observer of the game than I am because you caught a lot of details that I apparently missed. (Or maybe your seat was just a lot better than mine.) For example, as I said in my post, I didn’t really notice Kev on D at all, which I actually consider to be a good thing, i.e., I don’t remember him getting burned. But apparently my attention was elsewhere when he was defending.

Nice summary of the Dubs’ player too. I agree on all details.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Oct 18, 2009 1:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah he didn't

You just saw different things than he did which makes your recap just as valuable as his.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WIth our powers combined...

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t this the second time you’re referencing Captain Planet?

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on Oct 18, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

k mart d?

I went to the game as well and they had K mart usually covering the worst perimeter player on the team. Even though hes never been the best 1 on 1 defensive player, actually one of the worse, I remember him getting in the passing lanes all the time and getting steels when he fist came up and it doesn’t seem like he does that anymore. He could be a lot like Allen Iverson in his prime, where AI wasn’t the best defender, but used his quickness to get into the passing lanes and that is what Kevin needs to do. It would be nice to see Cisco out there because between him and Evans out would have some defensive stoppers, and we could hid KMART on defense like we used to hide Peja. With a top 5 pick coming and the possibility of having plenty of money to dump at a FA, the future finally looks bright!!!

by elSAVinator on Oct 18, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morrow is not their worst perimeter player

He is probably their best. Stephen Curry as well. Martin saw a lot of time on both.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 19, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many thanks to both you and MLS

I have just two questions:

Talking about Beno’s two different halves, do you think it was related to attitude (as mentioned quite often recently), confidence, or he just reflected how his other teammates played?

And talking about Anthony Randolph, a lot seems to be written about how JT dominated him on offense (8 offensive rebounds and 20 points?), but I wonder how was actaully JT’s defense. And was Randolph even as active as he was during the Summer League – now with ballhogs such as Maggette, Ellis and Jackson around?

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Oct 18, 2009 3:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Randolph was definitely not being involved in the offense as much as in Summer League

He was almost treated as an afterthought. JT played some good defense at times too, especially help D (The Kings help D yesterday, especially in the first half was tremendous). Randolph did blow by JT a couple times with a really quick spin move, but one of those ended up being blocked from behind. Maggette, Ellis and Jackson did dominate the ball. Morrow rarely got it.

As for Beno, he was just trying to do way too much by himself in that 2nd quarter. He wasn’t getting the team involved. His attitude changed completely in the 4th though, and he played much better. I even liked the shots he took that he missed because they were wide open and he’ll usually make them.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 rebounds in 16 seconds?

Actually, he had 16 rebounds in 4 seconds.

What's the past tense for "scam"? Is it "scrumped"?

by swoosh91 on Oct 18, 2009 3:58 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

That's what I believe!

October 28th couldn't come soon enough.

by JETisKing on Oct 18, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 19, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or 4 rebounds on 1.6 seconds.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Oct 19, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great recap

We obviously need to temper our enthusiasm (at least for the offensive and rebounding performance) with the reality that this was both the preseason AND it was the Warriors. But it’s nice to hear about the hustle and the determination on the defensive side of the ball, preseason or not.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 18, 2009 5:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why Ronny Turiaf didn't play

but he would have definitely helped the Warriors today, much more than Mikki Moore. But the Kings matchup very well with the Dubs and I wouldn’t be surprised if we won 3 of 4 against them this year.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Azubuike didn't play either

Which I didn’t notice until today. The ESPN box score says knee and ankle, respectively, for Turiaf and Azu.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Oct 18, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to ESPN

Turiaf had a sore left knee.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops.

Yeah, that.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Oct 18, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game recap video

was on nba.com http://www.nba.com/video/games/kings/2009/10/17/0010900075_gsw_sac_recap.nba/

How is it that there was supposed to be no tv and they have a video summary?

by gtrman1973 on Oct 18, 2009 7:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap...

I actually saw properly executed plays. It looked like they had a planned offensive scheme! And they stuck around to try and grab rebounds!

The Kings have a coach that does things that make sense! … Man, it’s been a while since I’ve had that feeling…

... Now let me show you why they call me the Velour Fog...

by tomroadrunner on Oct 18, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I CONCUR!

and rec’d!
There will be a plan this year. They’re still sorting it out, trying to get some sets working but . .

The Kings have a coach that does things that make sense! … Man, it’s been a while since I’ve had that feeling

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 18, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep!

October 28th couldn't come soon enough.

by JETisKing on Oct 18, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was probably the thing that I left the game feeling the best about

Westphal outcoached Don Nelson today. I watched the huddles a lot, and the players all seem to respect him.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With all due respect to PW

Nellie by many accounts has given up too…… I know I know, it’s just pre-season. It’s worth noting trends, and we all have. That’s where I’ll leave this at.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there's truth there

I really didn’t se a plan from them.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 19, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a great question.

I think the NBA does video of every game no matter what in case they need to fine someone for going off the deep end during a game. The want video evidence of any incident that may occur. I think that they should make the video available to people who have the NBA ticket. Just a raw feed to watch the game. I think it would be better than listening to some of these BS homer announcers with their bs takes on how the game is going. I thought I was going to throw up listening to the Fakers announcers BuLLcRAP. 2 of the worst homers in all the NBA. You know they both sleep with one of Kobe’s used jocks under their pillow. DumAzzes.

   You know, I hated Jordan, but I respected him for the great player he was. I just flat out hate Kobe, no respect given. He is an azz. I have never wished injury on a player before, but I hope he blows out a knee so the Faker fans can just STFU already. Their team would be mediocre without Kobe, but they would find a way to circumvent the salary cap and bring in another player of allstar caliber. Which is why the NBA has become such a joke. Teams like the Kings just have to get lucky with their young players. Lakers buy all their players and plug them into the system. B.S. The salary cap keeps small market teams small, it doesn’t restrict big market teams from doing whatever they want. They still do whatever they want. The Small market teams are the ones penalized for trying to make a run at the playoffs by bringing in more talent.

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Oct 18, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your last paragraph is so stupidly wrong

I won’t even bother to respond. But, I’ll say this: The salary cap is what allows the Kings to be able to compete with the Lakers (when both have good teams & what not).

Be careful for what you wish for cuz you just might get it. A hard cap would benefit the Lakers more than any other team in the League BY FAR.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to be fair stupidly wrong is not the word I would really describe this

It’s more like naive about the economic and competitive realities that work within the NBA.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for sharing your excitement A16 - rec'd

Of all the things written here, what was most encouraging to me was your first paragraph and particularly:

I can tell you this, we won’t just give up and let teams run roughshod over us this year. Teams will still beat us on a regular basis, but they’ll definitely have to earn it.

I don’t expect a lot of wins but I do expect effort. Good stuff, that.

by betweentheeyes on Oct 18, 2009 7:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great recap

I love it, I’m so excited to see our guys lose 50+ times this upcoming season, its going to be fun (at times).

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Oct 18, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LTTGs View

(Excellent Aykis!)
First, the Warriors are in complete dissarray. Stephen ‘call me Jax’ , the cause perhaps of much of thier problems was also by far thier best player. He guarded Tyreke, he guarded Kevin Martin, he guarded Beno, he wrestled with Brockman, in the first half he scored in variety of ways nearly at will. Nellie left him in to play every minute of the game, 48, probably in an attempt to tire him out and get him to shut the hell up and it showed in the second half, where he ended up, with the help of some swarming D by Casspi and others, missing most of his shots. Although Maggette, the only Warrior who seemed unaffected by his disrupted influence had a great statistical night, Jax is a great player who I’d never want on my team.

It was a very choppy game. So choppy that it was a suprise to me that we dominated the first quarter. Towards the end of it I looked up at the score and was – suprised. We mostly dominated the boards though and Tyreke shut down Ellis so . . . The second quarter saw a strange line-up of JT, Donte’, Mason, Beno and (?). This line-up which I don’t think has played together so far looked like they hadn’t played together ever. It was ugly and even after they started cycling others back in they turned the ball over I believe 8 times, many of them by Tyreke. It wasn’t until late in the 2nd that they mostly sorted things out.
Tyreke: I have little to add as Aykis described his game very well except to add that JT, Hawes and Casspi all cost him easy assists right at the rim. JT and Hawes both rebounded thier own blown lay-ups I think and put them back in – but we’ve got to make those shots, a bigger opponent probably wouldn’t have given us those 2nd chances. A couple of nice jumpers (and one awful one).
JT: I’ve only a note on Randolph here. I was watching him very closely after all the summer league brew hahah about his emerging Stardom and came away unimpressed. He’s waaaay too thin. As Aykis said JT absolutely manhandled him. He has a very nice free throw shot though which should serve him well if he ever gets stronger. He got most of his points on there and some of those GS fast breaks where he showed he runs very well and can easily finish if he outruns his man.

Beno Udrih: This was a game of two Benos
Just read what Aykis said, that describes it perfectly. I have only to add that that whole unit in the 2nd looked terrible.
Kevin Martin: He looked excellent. Played pretty good defense too. Nice to see that he’s really putting both effort and technique into that end of his game. Will he ever be a great defender? Probably not but he can cost his man some points. My wife thinks his game is boring with all those FTs and was suprised when she saw how many ‘quiet’ points he scored. Please Kevin, continue to bore me like that. Again as Aykis said, he dominated Curry who didn’t seem to think that was very fair.
Casspi: A good game I thought. He got better and better on both offense and especially defense as it went on – which was encouraging. He was beaten, got coached (wow), was sent back in and did an a very good job making adjustments. He guarded Jax and when Tyreke wasn’t shutting down Ellis he did a pretty good job doing it as well. He was quick enough to do it. Aykis talks about trouble fighting through screens and I saw that too but was left with the impression that Biedrins sets a hell of a screen – and is a good fundamental player.
Mason: He did look like a pretty good defender as advertised. He also looked like a terrible shooter – as advertised. I’ll say though that many of his shots came in that 2nd quarter where the whole unti looked terrible.
Donte’: Just didn’t look that good. As I’ve said before he just hasn’t put the pieces of his game together in any way that is effective. There’s nothing coherant about what he’s trying to do. I guess I hope that PW gives him some more minutes in pre-season to give it another go – but I have my doubts that that will happen. He doesn’t look ready to add valuable court minutes.
Hawes: Not much to add to what Aykis said here either, I thought he and Biedrins pretty much balanced each other. Yeah Spence, don’t try to drive against a double team from the 3 pt line. That looked very bad. He was screwed on two good blocks that were called fouls.

Other notes:
I’m not sure why May isn’t getting more minutes. He doesn’t leave a big impression on me either way so far except that he’s got a pretty smooth jumper and seems to be hustling out there. He doesn’t impose his will or anything though. Curry is going to score in this league. He’s sort of a mini-Martin with some nice offensive moves and is a good ball handler. Kevin just toyed with him on the other end though, really took him to school. He seemed upset.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 18, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Hawes as quoted in the Bee

..“.whomever controls the paint wins”… OK Spencer, now you know what you need to do.

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by SayWhat? on Oct 18, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I learned more from your recap

then I did from listening to the game. The 50 second delay between the streaming radio feed and the Yahoo boxscore was fun though. All in all a fun time was had by all on the thread.

Your recap is definitely encouraging and the first real indication that the mismatches we were anticipating with the Evans/Martin back court are going to happen on many nights.

Since we haven’t seen the games it’s hard to know if the team was playing better last night or was it that it seemed like we were playing better because we were playing a weaker team.

Just curious Aykis; how many games do you see the dubs winning?

Fine post.

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by Bluejohn on Oct 18, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Werd.

Since we haven’t seen the games it’s hard to know if the team was playing better last night or was it that it seemed like we were playing better because we were playing a weaker team.

Let’s hope it’s both cases.

October 28th couldn't come soon enough.

by JETisKing on Oct 18, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Warriors are going to get destroyed by teams that play defense

but they have way too many guys that are liable to go off for 40. Also, I don’t know why Turiaf wasn’t in the game, but he probably could have been a big boon to them against JT and for rebounds. I think the Dubs will probably win somewhere between 30-35 wins.

If the Kings had been competent handling the ball yesterday (turnovers were absolutely atrocious), we could have won by 20+. I also think the Warriors don’t match up well with Sac, especially our backcourt.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for taking the time to write this Aykis!

These points really struck me:

  1. Kayte Christensen is hot – period. I hope she doesn’t leave our broadcast team anytime soon. Glad you mentioned her.
  2. Kevin Martin: He looked like a complete basketball player. So encouraging to see our ‘franchise’ player improve on his game every which way he can.
  3. Desmond Mason played solid defense. I was thinking that’s why he was kept in the game. I’m sure he does plenty of intangible things that will help our team win.
  4. Cass’ never gives up on a play. Another game where he impresses me with his grit and hustle. I think the fans will be falling in love with this guy if they haven’t already. Great frakkin’ pick, GP.
  5. Should Beno Udrih be called Mr. Hyde or Dr. Jekyll?

Again, thanks for an entertaining and informative read, sir!

October 28th couldn't come soon enough.

by JETisKing on Oct 18, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sidenote - This makes me despise Peaches even more. Grrrr.

Peaches had the Yankees game on a second television by him. Figures.

Jerkwad.

October 28th couldn't come soon enough.

by JETisKing on Oct 18, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I could see it on his screen as well from 114

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 18, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh ya forgot to mention that we saw Cisco too

He was wearing his cast but he was out there supporting the team. Good to see him in a good mood. We clearly missed him on the offensive end tonight, and his injury will probably cost us a few wins this season.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey if you guys who went to the game (or hell anyone really)

want some laughs, read the GSoM game thread for the game. And I thought we were naive.

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/10/17/1089256/open-thread-preseason-game-6#comments

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They're just angry

Leave them alone.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very angry people

Most of them don’t really have any respect for other teams do they?

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or themselves or Toilet Paper...

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're us

from two years ago, except they haven’t figured it out yet, and they actually have worse contracts to try to get rid of now than we had then.

One of them said they’ll win 38 games and another agreed. I’ll take the under, that team is going to be bad, maybe even worse than us.

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by ForThree on Oct 18, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was also said
Kmart beats Ellis? Wow, Kmart is very overrated and Ellis is underrated by haters. (cough cough). Any links on justintv?

Obviously, that’s one person, and noone who has been posting here less than a year is surprised or shocked.

One person also said Biedrins had a bad game rebounding while recognizing he had 8 boards in 25 mins. (How is that a bad game rebounding?)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually nobody said that about Biedrins

So I take that back.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may not take that back

I actually thought that

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by Lat We N Trash on Oct 18, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh well

Carry on then.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

because

while Hawes had 9 rebs in 23 mins Biedrins had 8 in 25
-Biedrins is simply waay better rebounder than Hawes and he still got outrebounded*

i

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by Lat We N Trash on Oct 18, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does past history have much to do with last night?

I already knew that Biedrins is a better per 36 boardman than Hawes. Or, I knew that coming into the game.

On the other hand, I was interested to see why the Kings out-rebounded the Warriors LAST NIGHT by such a wide margin. I found my answer I think. Biedrins wasn’t the problem; it was the rest of the team. In fact, Biedrins rebounded at a rate of 11.52 (per 36) last night which was what he averaged. 11.5 boards per 36 is hardly the work of a slouch or a man who did nothing on that end. What was unusual about last night, was that the Kings had 2 players match or exceed (obviously) Biedrin’s output.

As a Kings fan, I hope that continues. As a Dubs fan, I can see why you would be a bit put off.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh good, let's play the game based on math

Brockman had 4 rebounds in 8 Min. That comes out to 24 in 48 and 48 in 96mins. Let’s make Brockman our center and we’ll outrebound everyone.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lat is a Dubs fan HT

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Biedrins

is in his sixth year in the league, and also played in Europe.

Hawes is in his third year in the league, with his third coach.

We’ll see if Biedrins is still a better rebounder than Hawes at the end of the season.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 19, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Biedrins is a better rebounder per minute

Over the course of his career than Hawes. But, I would not be surprised to see that gap diminish somewhat.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 19, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I'm saying.

Hawes will probably show marked improvement this year.

Right now, there’s no comparison. And I’d take Biedrins in trade in a heartbeat.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 19, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How dare you think about a statement before you make it?

What are you, like, smart?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 19, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes is just 2 years younger than AB

i don’t expect him improving much in rebounding area
at least not more than Biedrins can improve this season

he was monster last year at first half of the season (second after Howard) and his rebounding became worse after his injuries in middle of the season (he was forced to play -W’s ended season playing 7 suited players and sometimes one even didn’t stepped on the court) -but still somehow he managed double double season

AB rebounding per months
October 12.5
November 12.2
December 11.6
January 11.8
February 9.2
March 9.8
April 7.8

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by Lat We N Trash on Oct 20, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who was arguing that Biedrins was a better rebounder up until this point of his career?

(I would argue that is still the case.) But, I don’t blame the problems solely on Biedrins in terms of rebounding prowess. It was his teammates who didn’t do the job.

As far as Hawes vs Biedrins, Biedrins has a better career record than Hawes (obviously). So, it was a bit surprising to see that happen even though anomalies happen.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 20, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, it was a bit surprising to see that happen

most likely Hawes got a little more to prove this preseason than Biedrins (one game is pretty small sample size though)

my point is that Biedrins really haven’t showed his game so far -because while at begining of last season he tied league record for continuous double doubles -in this preseason he even didn’t had a double digit rebounds in any game

rebounding is all about effort (and good hands i guess) -so far Hawes looks more motivated while i don’t think motivation will be any problem for Biedrins in regular season

peace

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by Lat We N Trash on Oct 20, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two years younger

Four years less experienced.

Look, I said he’s the better player for now. I’m just not sure that will still be the case at the end of the season, and spewing last year’s stats doesn’t prove anything.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 20, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It proves that he's a career better rebounder

But we already knew that so I’m really not sure what is gained by pointing it out here. Besides LPA, wasn’t the GS game just 1 game out of 7? It’s. Pre. Season.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 20, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What LPA said

4 years less experienced.
They are different players though. Hawes will score a lot more in this league and rebound less.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 20, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

It’s the Warriors – trying to figure out how stats from that team compare to anyone else is difficult, since Nelson thinks he’s a mad scientist.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 20, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

since Nelson thinks he’s a mad scientist.

that’s what others think
-what Nelson got on his mind nobody knows

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by Lat We N Trash on Oct 20, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After 30 years of coaching

We know pretty much what to expect from Don Nelson’s teams on the court. My issue with judging Warrior players individually is how much Nelson’s system helps them (freewheeling offense with little to no focus on defense).

I’d gather that many players that will thrive on a Don Nelson team may not in actuality be above average NBA basketball players.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 21, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

also, didn’t Biedrins sign a big deal recently? I’m pretty sure he’s paid real well, while Hawes is still on his rookie deal.

Not this has a bearing on which player is better, but in terms of relative value, Hawes has some time to grow because he’s paid significantly less, I am pretty sure.

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by ForThree on Oct 20, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well According to Sham Sports

He’s getting 9 mil per.

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Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 20, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+some extras (about within 1m$)

if he reach some goals (established before season i guess)

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by Lat We N Trash on Oct 20, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they are totally different types of players

Biedrins is quick, fast and a hustle energy type of player. He gets to rebounds by “quicking” to the post and gets a lot of put backs. He is also a decent shot blocker. He runs the floor well and gets many of his points and boards by making it down the floor fast, which suits the Warriors style well.To me, he is a more defensive, offense lacking Pau Gasol type.
Hawes is not lumbering, but not quick and not fast. He gets to rebounds by methodical positioning and height and boxing out. He gets rebounds by being there, not getting there. Hawes wil improve his rebounding over time by maintaining position with strength and learning where to be – much like B52 before him, but Spencer is a more athletic version.

by betweentheeyes on Oct 20, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya I also saw someone say

that they would rather have K-Mart than Ellis, to which someone replied “Thank god you’re not our GM.”

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not greatly surprised

But yeah, yeah.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked this particular exchange

Jason Thompson… double double in first quarter…

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Oct 17, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
now we have to hear kings fan sayi Thompsons better than AR

by 123707THIZZ on Oct 17, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not trying to indict their blog

I mean, you could find stupid comments here everyday (most of them by me). :)

But the level of collective delusion seemed to me at about the level we were two years ago, when we thought we were still relevant, but actually weren’t.

Their team captain hates the coach, the coach seems like he’s at the end, and all of their expensive players don’t seem like team oriented guys, they’re going to be bad.

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by ForThree on Oct 18, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's very true

GSoM is just a bigger fishfry than a lot of places. I’m just biased against it, and have been for some time. Not everyone there is terrible, nor should they be categorized as so.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jae is a very good writer, as is Atma Brother, Sleepy Freud, Sceptic von Urquel and Tony psd graphics are awesome

but the tone there, particularly in the game threads sounds like we did when high school got out this summer. Meaning that many of the posters there are young, not that there is anything wrong with that, I was young once. i still have a teenage son at home.

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by Bluejohn on Oct 19, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a little late to this party

so I don’t have much to add that Akyis & LTTG’s haven’t already brought up in their excellent posts, but here are some of my thoughts.

The Kings offense died when Martin left the game. The ? player in LTTG’s post during the 2nd quarter was Omri, who I believe was playing SG. When the GW’s started to make their run, PW pulled Donte (not for his performance, but for the performance of the lineup in general) and subed Martin back in to stop GW’s run.

As to why Hawes was pulled. I believe it was a matchup thing. Biedrins played the entire 1st & 3rd and only the 1st minute of the 4th. Hawes played all but the last 30sec of the 1st,, the last have of the 2nd, most of the 3rd and sat out the 4th. Basicly, if Biedrins was in so was Hawes, so PW was playing the matchup game.

As stated already, the Kings defense looked go especially swarming in the paint. They got hurt walking back after made baskets as GW’s ran the ball right up their backsides.

JT’s great game needs to be taken in context. He got all of his dunks(4) off assists. This is not new. 100% of his dunks last year were assisted. Basicly when the guards got the ball in low, JT charged in and got the open feed for a dunk. Three of JT’s baskets were on tip backs. The first was after he missed a layup, then missed a tip in, before he finally tipped it again for the basket. With a team like GW with no inside presence he can get away with it, but don’t expect this kind of success all year.

 My main concern is that he can’t create any shots on his own. He’s just a big & very active cleanup guy. He made a nice jumper, but until he can put the ball on the floor , drive to the rim & finish with a dunk, I believe he’s not going to be a complete player.

May has a smooth jumper, and has never meet a ball he didn’t wany to shot. He had a nice block but it was against MM, so take it with a grain of salt.

Tyreke had a couple balls ripped away in the paint. But, he was getting hit and slapped on evey drive, but no calls from the refs. Speaking about no calls, the ref really blow the call on Mason when he went up for the rebound and got knock to the floor. MrsTops who seldom goes to games, comment that the refs had it in for the Kings.

Donte had an interesting stat line for limited minutes. He looked like a guy who was trying very hard not to take a shot. He worked well with JT defending low and blocking, stealing, and handed out some hard fouls. But, Omri is the more polished of the two, though not quite as athletic.

Mason can play D but everytime Martin leaves the floor Mason better go with him because Mason can’t score worth a dam. And, the Kings don’t have the scorers that they can afford a non scoring SF without Kevin playing.

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by HighTops on Oct 18, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Offense did sort of die when Kevin was off the court

And this is where not having Cisco will hurt us A LOT this year. We better pray that K-Mart doesn’t miss too much action this year.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As usual good stuff HT

And you bring up a great point about JT: He doesn’t create shots for himself. But, the Kings have plenty of guys who shoot the ball a lot anyway. I’d rather have a guy like JT who can clean up and not need the ball in his hands to score points. Maybe I’m in the minority there, but JT doesn’t project to be a star level talent. He just doesn’t have that type of game in him.

None of that is not to say that JT can’t become better than he is now. Last night is a great example of what happens when you don’t have an inside presence and your G’s are creating offense.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't trying to demean his game or his effort

But as I pointed out in another post, JT got only 2 baskets and 4 rebound when Hawes wasn’t on the floor. The duo was just to much for the undersized Warriors. Just don’t expect this type of results against teams that have bigs that can compete for rebounds.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 18, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

I was agreeing with you. Sorry if that didn’t come across as clear as I was hoping.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds like JT has the same problem Dwight Howard has in creating his own shot

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 19, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you were the group of four annoying old guys sitting right behind me...

providing running commentary and wrong information throughout the night .
I was the short white dude with the gray Jordan shirt sitting next to the tall white guy with the blond hair

by Sac'sFinest on Oct 18, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Seeing as how I'm 23

Yes, that was me.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just glanced back quickly a few times

and saw some guy with gray hair
115 row B, seats 4-8ish?
yea you really need to stop with the running commentary thats horribly wrong
like saying Martin led the league in FTs made several times when he played like 60 games and Lebron, Wade, Kobe, and Dirk…among others had more.

by Sac'sFinest on Oct 18, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can assure you none of my friends have grey hair

As for Kevin Martin’s free throws, he led the league in average FTM/game. If you’re going by FT totals, then yes you’re right, but only because of K-Mart’s injury.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/FreeTS.jsp?league=00&season=22008&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=2&splitDD=All%20Teams

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by Aykis16 on Oct 18, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice link

That was exactly what me and my three friends were talking about.

by MustangMBS on Oct 18, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm tempted to open a second StR account

Just so I can rec that comment twice.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Oct 18, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Child please

watch yourself joven

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 19, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't be Sac'sFinest if you didn't know that Martin played 51 games last season....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what did you observe?

Contribute something to the conversation other than bashing other members or be gone.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Oct 18, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sac's Finest joined StR today

Said basher joins the same day that a regular member gets upgraded to a lower level seat and said basher happens to have been sitting right in front of him. Is life really more coincidental than fiction? Or is this convenient fiction?

by BrooklynFan on Oct 18, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is not fiction!

Simply made-up facts. Completely different. How, I don’t know. But there is an entire cable news channel built around it. Sac’s Finest, I declair you the StR douche of the day.

Is my banana fluffy enough?

by 27freethrows on Oct 18, 2009 8:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

that MSNBC does have some shaky reporting.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Oct 19, 2009 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Let’s keep specific names out of this fair & balanced discussion.

Is my banana fluffy enough?

by 27freethrows on Oct 19, 2009 12:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

let's just agree

that all media reporting is neither fair or balanced, everyone has a stake in the game, and not talk about it.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Oct 19, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

All basketball all the time

by MustangMBS on Oct 19, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're an old man

How dare you be only 23. You should only be like 16 or 17.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 18, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was 23 once

twice, and still going

by betweentheeyes on Oct 20, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're 175 years old?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 20, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's cut him in half and count the rings

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Oct 20, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

What about crickets?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 21, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 rebounds in 16 seconds sounds about right for Brock

I’m pretty sure they just spot him 3 boards when he enters the game. To limit opponent injuries.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If he was 2 inches taller or a longer wingspan

He would have had twice the amount of boards. I think he had his hand on a few where he couldn’t control it, so he just slapped it away from the Warriors.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we have anyone in Phx for tomorrow nights game?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 19, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably not

Are you volunteering?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 19, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it might be on TV over there

Don’t quote me on that.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 19, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'm too lazy to do the research myself

seeing as how I won’t be able to watch anyway due to work.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 19, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

It won’t be on TV. Amick had a post on this a few weeks ago about teams that were & weren’t broadcasting games in the pre-season. Apparently the Suns are one of those teams.

(I do think that the OKC game is on TV though in case you care.Let me find out to be sure though.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 19, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to the Thunder website

They are broadcasting games. Now, there may not be anybody to do an illicit stream of that so it may not matter.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 19, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broadcast schedule confusing

PHO web site is showing no local or national tv until the 1st regular season game on the 28th.

OKC is showing local tv for the Tues the 20th game against San Antonio. But, that game is in Austin Tex. They are showing no local tv on the 24th against the Kings. OKC 1st televised local game in on the 28th against the Kings.

So, I’m guessing that there will be no local tv for either of the next two games and therefore no streaming on the internet.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 20, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh

I’ll have to look again.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 20, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right HT

My bad.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 20, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the combination of streaming radio and Yahoo boxscore is almost like being there

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 20, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah wouldn't want the fans to have that experience either

Without paying a million bucks for the privilege. Assholes.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09

by pookeyguru on Oct 20, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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