What has PW done to our Kings?
by ElRonToro on Oct 18, 2009 3:50 PM PDT
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The Kings are 7th in RPG differential with 4.25 per game after playing the Redacted who are 3rd with 5.75 and Portland twice who are 4th with 5.0. Damn! FG % defense finds them 12th at .433 and 3 pt fg % they are third at .260 As we all pointed out when he was hired PW can't coach a lick of FT % defense and we are dead last at .828. Rat Bastard. I find this extremely encouraging, even though only 5 or 6 Kings are playing well in pre-season.
If PW can keep these numbers going we may have a better season than any of us expected. This really isn't a post as much as I saw these numbers and just had to tell somebody. Start count down to when Pookey says it is only pre-season in 5...4...3...j
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I still think its way to soon to use statistics to reinforce our opinion
but he’s definitely changed the mentality of the team, especially in regards to rebounding and defense. I really don’t think we’re going to be that bad on either front this year. Definitely not as bad as last year.
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Accountability
for a players coach, one that gives them structure but the freedom to incorporate their game into the offense, PW sure isn’t shy about calling out a player infront of everyone when they screw up. I truely believe that he’s a coach that just doesn’t preach defense but demands defense.
Plus, the players he has in the lineup, are definitely better defensively than last year. Hawes vs. Miller, JT vs. MM, Tyreke vs Beno, Martin on good legs vs Martin on bad legs. Mason is on par with Salmons, and Noc is as good as anyone we had coming off the bench not name Cisco.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Yes, he truly does hold his players accountable
I spent a considerable amount of time just watching Westphal’s interaction with his players.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
2.....1........
Preseason, only it’s.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
Nobody told me
It’s Bass Ackwards Day!
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 19, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was always Bass Ackwards day around here
but it is only preseason
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
PW needs to get another assistant
to help with that FT% defense, in my humble opinion. Good point. :)
The Kings need to reduce the price on seats behind the backboard
And hand out bigger and more ThunderSticks
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
I went to the box office last night at about 6pm
to get some $20 dollar tickets for my 7 year old son and I. I was told that there were no more so I paid $40.50 for the seats in Sec 218 B 1,2. Nice seats. However, I was pretty mad when I noticed that there were many seat in the $20 dollar range still left. Then I was even more mad after the game while leaving because Gary on 1140 said there was only 11,000 people in attendance. I dont know if that number refered to only the people in attendance or to tickets sold. If it was regarding tickets sold then the woman at the box office lied to me. Does anyone know what the attendance number refers to tickets sold or only those that went thru the doors?
Yea HT, I noticed also that the white Thundersticks were sparsly represented but I think that they are the same size they have always been. I must say I don’t know for sure about the size because I’ve never been able to sit in the lower section.
I think the fans in those seats
have an obligation to moon or flash (their choice) on Free Throws. I will pay for Kayte to sit there.
Building on you idea about Kayte
Have the Kings dancers sit under the backboard, and lean forward or cross their legs as opponents take their FT’s. A quiter more gentle kind of ThunderStix.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Oct 18, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is so BaseKETball HT
I approve.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
and this is different from last season, how?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 18, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We're bitching about it this season, too.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
Have you ever seen Man Show
I suggest putting trampolines behind the goal post and hiring Denise Milani to give it a whirl.
I guarantee free throw percentages drop expotentially from opposing teams.
by nothingbutnet on Oct 19, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never seen Man Show
What is it?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
If you haven't lost brain cells on this yet
I beg you not to lose them now pursuing this….this show is how we ended up with as many red states as we did.
Suffice it to say
That Adam Carolla should stick to his strength: Radio.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Oct 19, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Must you sling this kind of crap?
this show is how we ended up with as many red states as we did.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 20, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Because reasonable people
can’t possibly have a different political opinion.
Why is this shot necessary?
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
shows like that
and other ‘reality’ shows do encourage idiocy. I won’t venture any political link to that though, just a general dumbing down of the populace in the rudest way possible.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Oct 20, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry! meant in good fun.
not serious or trying to start a town hall. I will do my best to avoid even the slightest of political satire in thr future. Not the place to do it
Who cares....
..everybody knows that Golf is a gateway drug to becoming a Republican.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
And then that's just right of the center.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
How did a conversation about a hot chick jumping on a trampoline become political?
It was a stupid male chavonist (don’t know how to spell this word) live show that featured hot women doing stupid things. I always got a laugh out of it though because I didn’t take it too seriously.
Beer, women, sports. The best parts of life.
by nothingbutnet on Oct 23, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hey, that's my line!
(quoted directly from my Profile page, in fact…)
OK, I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so I’m gonna overlook the copyright infringement this time, pookey, (it is a pretty good line if I do say so myself).
But you owe me beer and a King Dog!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
OH NO! Not stats!
Heaven forbid anybody talk about statistics. That really is only for the elite of posters. Novices beware!!
Heck you are just lucky you didn’t post any individual player stats. A lynch mob would be forming right now.
Statisticly your incorrect.
statistics show that statistics are misinterpreted 50% of the time. But, the numbers are inputed incorrectly, 25% of the time, so inactuallity, they’re only analyzed incorrectly 37.5% of the time. Statistically speaking.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
ElRon & HT
No more number jokes tonight, please.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
I think that we can say
With a 95 percent confidence level (assuming a lognormal distribution of probabilities) that there will be no more numbers jokes tonight.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Oct 18, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you 119.76% sure?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
I would call that a very precise estimate
Just not very accurate.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Oct 18, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll have to consult my Magic 8 Ball about that.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Number's jokes?
Why is 6 afraid of 7?
Because 7 – 8 – 9!.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 19, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I refuse to give you a rim shot for that
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
I will
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
no one here dislikes numbers
even ones posted by newer people. We have various degrees of people enjoying advanced statistics, like any blog site, but the analytical work of a lot of people here is very good, and Ziller might by the guy that likes advanced statistics most.
No one dislikes your numbers; people took issue with the conclusions you drew from your numbers, for various reasons, most notably the small sample size.
You have a choice, you can take the criticism to heart, learn that not everyone here is going to roll over and play dead because you have numbers to back up your conclusions and become a productive member of the community.
Or you can complain that we don’t like numbers here, despite years of evidence to the contrary, and assume we’ve singled you out for dislike because you’re a “numbers guy”.
I, and I think its safe to say, almost everyone else would like you to choose #1. Having another person to break down trends with and discuss where our guys can get better is pretty much what this site is about, but the choice is yours.
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Jokes about a lack of conclusions
ForThree is referring to a previous post
Interesting ForThree that I drew not one conclusion and clearly stated that I was in fact only looking at one game. One game and yet all of a sudden it was a prediction or something. People took issue who must not have understood stats all that well. I do, and was not making any conclusions, but that wasn’t the point of my above post.
I was having some fun, making fun, and my musing were not meant as anything more than just a joke. It is OK dude as I enjoy having fun with numbers and that includes joking about the lack of conclusions.
Now be nice or I will sick Seven on you. You should be afraid, very afraid as he is hungry. Three would be a much smaller bite than 6 or 9.
what is a conclusion - clarification
I realize the term conclusion can be interpretted many ways. I made what I considered observations. Observing the rate of scoring per minutes isn’t, to me, a conclusion. Thus, I made no conclusions. Statistical ‘conclusions’ are very different.
Honestly, I think the issue was the use of stats all in the pre-season. Fair enough.
The issue was
That you took the stats from ONE pre-season game, and inferred from that who was our best rebounders and stuff etc. That is what’s wrong with it. It’s called small sample size. You’d want at least half a season done before you began to draw those sort of conclusions. For example if you took the stats from the Golden State game, you’d have Spencer being one of the best rebounders in the league, with JT and Brockman joining him. Also, the style of play in Pre-season is a lot lee focused on winning and more on experimenting.
That’s my take on it. We all enjoy stats (well most of us), they just have to be taken in the right context.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Shouldn't have been an issue then
As I stated that this was observations from one game. I made no projections on future games of any sort.
I stated right up front that I couldn’t see the game and was trying to understand that ONE pre-season game. I inferred nothing as the one game was the context it should have been fine.
In my opinion people read into it more than was there.
Ummm
There’s a reason why there is a boxscore. So, I think people read into it what they saw as being presumptuous and jumping the gun. Or at least that’s the feeling I got.
That’s because people take that stuff seriously. If you post it, the assumption is that you’re meaning to analyze that particular set of information. If you only mean it’s half-hearted analysis, that’s fine. But, I got the impression reading that that you took it seriously and drew some conclusions from it.
In my opinion people read into it more than was there.
You have a choice, you can take the criticism to heart, learn that not everyone here is going to roll over and play dead because you have numbers to back up your conclusions and become a productive member of the community, statistically.
I added the statistically because I know that’s what 4-3 meant. The problem is by analyzing numbers, it makes unclear what your intentions are. I have no problem in analyzing numbers from a single game; I did so with regards to the GS game in a comment yesterday. On the other hand, I didn’t make a fanpost about it either.
I’ll assure you of one thing: You better get used to criticism if you want to stick around. Because any opinion you have, you will get heaps of it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe the they should run public service announcements- starring Francisco Garcia and Sean May (as the expected mother), warning of the dangers of big blue balls. -- JJham15 10/13/09
It was a good lesson
I just need to be clearer on what I am presenting. I didn’t make any statements such as so and so is going to be great this year or so and so is our best XXX, but do realize that I need to be explicitly clear about the use of the stats I present.
MMBS
I like you…strong opinions..I’m ok with that…I think, maybe poorly, I was the first guy to respond to your post that it seemed to have a strong tone of expertise rather than just opinion.
I don’t post here very often but I always assume first guy who disagrees with me is an idiot 2nd) uninformed 3rd) Dumbass 4th ) Hmmm…5th) maybe I’m the idiot …6,7,8,and 9 I assume are just piling on.
Keep posting….I just suggest sometimes its best to duck than keep firing back.
Thanks!
Definitely words of wisdom.
Good post enjoyed the stats. I work as a researcher and while I have never applied that to BB I really enjoy it.
Fire him
Those preseason stats are awful! WTF are we paying him the league’s lowest coaching salary for!
by bignerd on Oct 18, 2009 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm rec'ing this post
For the “Rat Bastard” reference alone.
From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.
by My Losing Season on Oct 18, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions
I think I should get a rec for 42 comments
with only 3 on topic. My bad.
by ElRonToro on Oct 19, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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