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Kings 104, Thunder 89 - Preseason win total doubled!

Spencer Hawes saves the day for the Kings and stems a furious 4th quarter rally by the Oklahoma City Thunder. Sacramento won the game 104-89. (AP Photo)

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Spencer Hawes saves the day for the Kings and stems a furious 4th quarter rally by the Oklahoma City Thunder. Sacramento won the game 104-89. (AP Photo)

 

The Kings win a road game, and I put on "Pandora" to keep me company while I write the recap. The first song to pop up is "Longview" by Green Day. Life is good.

The starters scored 50 points tonight in 105 minutes, and the bench chipped in 54 in 135. This matters and this matters not. As many pieces on this Kings squad are interchangeable, you would expect some of the bench players from this game (guys like Nocioni, Hawes, Udrih) to be as effective as some of the starters (guys like Mason, May, Casspi). Two things usually are lacking on league doormats: talent and depth. The Kings may have shown that they have at least some of the former as well as the latter this evening.

Star-divide

On a night where Kevin Martin sat out due to a sore ankle, Jon Brockman due to a sore body, and Kenny Thomas due to being Kenny Thomas, nine of the ten Kings that played were effective in at least some aspect of the game.

Let’s start with the guy that played the best ball when it mattered the most. Andres Nocioni came off the bench in the first half and helped stake the Kings to a 14 point halftime lead. Noc made shots from everywhere, grabbed rebounds, dished out assists, and generally pissed off the Thunder the way that only Noc (or Reggie Evans or Eduardo Najera or…well, you get the idea) can. Andres Nocioni is both the paper cut and the lemon juice to opposing teams. And while I still support the moving of his contract, his presence has got to be good for this young team. After taking in Noc’s performance in the first half, it’s easy to understand why Paul Westphal wants this guy coming off the bench.

Jason Thompson had 15 and 6 in only 22 minutes. His true shooting percentage was 75%, and he doled out 3 assists with no turnovers. Summer league seems like it happened soooooo long ago.

Speaking of true shooting percentage, how about 65% for Omri Casspi. 17 points, 3 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, a block. Son, we’ll let you have 3 turnovers with that kind of productivity. Is anybody exceeding preseason expectations more than Casspi?

Donté Greene took five shots this evening, and only one was from three-point range (he drained it). 11 points on those five shots, 3 assists and 2 steals. I’m not sure how a guy that is 6’10’ grabs only one board in 22 minutes, but Rome wasn’t built in a day. This was Greene’s best performance under this coaching staff.

Tyreke Evans played only 13 minutes, but he scored 9 points, had 2 assists, 2 steals and 2 blocked shots in his short stint. Once the season starts and the games are televised, Evans and Casspi are going to sell some tickets.

Spencer Hawes had a decent shooting night, with 10 points on 5 of 8 shooting. 5 boards in 25 minutes is a little light. The 2 blocks were nice, the 2 turnovers not so much. I have yet to see Hawes really play well in the summer league or preseason. It will be interesting to see what happens once the regular season begins. It will also be interesting to see if he plays his way out of the starting lineup before the regular season arrives.

Fortunately for Spencer, Sean May is his chief rival for the starting center job. And while May did pull down 8 boards, he did not have the best of shooting nights (2 of 7 for 5 points, and no field goals made in the first half).

Desmond Mason is a decent defender, and he does a lot of those "little things," but his shooting range seems to be somewhere between the ally and the oop. Mason on the floor with Sergio Rodriguez = fun, entertaining, and buckets. But without a setup man, he is a guy that is on the floor solely for his defense. That’s not a bad thing, I guess, unless you’re pining for Casspi and/or Greene.

"Easier to Run" by Linkin Park is now playing, which makes it an appropriate time to bring up Sergio Rodriguez. Sergio Rodriguez had 11 assists! Sergio Rodriguez had 5 of the Kings 15 turnovers. And this is why Sergio Rodriguez is no longer playing for Nate MacMillan. And that jump shot – aye carumba! Shareef Abdur-Rahim’s free throws had more arc. But I like him. He certainly brings flair and excitement.

That leaves Beno Udrih. Beno had been playing reasonably well in the preseason, but no assists in 28 minutes? Maybe it was an off night. Maybe he was pouty following Rodriguez off the bench.

Trends – The Kings are sending their opponents to the free throw line…a lot! Tonight was 41 free throws for the Thunder, 14 for the Kings. Granted, Martin didn’t play, which impacted the number of times that the Kings got to the line. But the numbers have been alarmingly disproportionate this preseason. Also, the turnovers, the turnovers, the turnovers. The Kings were better tonight, but after starting the game with no turnovers in the first 16 minutes, they turned it over 15 times in the next 32 minutes. This is most likely the byproduct of a young team working under a new coaching staff, but everyone better get ready for a season of Jerry Reynolds pleading with everyone that we need to value the ball!

"Change the World" by Eric Clapton. This seems like an appropriate time to go ask my daughter about school and her day. I wanted to attach a poll, but the system is not cooperating. So instead, we'll do it this as a thread starter. Who has exceeded expectations the most so far this preseason - Tyreke Evans, Omri Casspi, Jason Thompson, Paul Westphal, or Tom Ziller?

 

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Cuz, well, he isn’t a multi-millionaire.

Great recap 214.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 22, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Casspi has been the star of the preseason

Star as in the glaring positive.

The defense sounds leaps and bounds better than it was a year ago and the Kings sound as if they were playing with more energy and enthusiasm.

I hope this season is more like Reggie Theus’ first year as opposed to last year. I’m cautiously optimistic that the so called “experts” are undervaluing the Kings, Paul Westphal and overlooking Casspi and the much improved Jason Thompson.

The Kings seemed cheap but they appeared to be making the most of their limited resources and the Kings could go far if they play with an all for one and one for all mentality this season.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Oct 22, 2009 11:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, they could "go far" in a relative sense... I'll give you that

They could go far in the way of winning back fans, that is

... Now let me show you why they call me the Velour Fog...

by tomroadrunner on Oct 23, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully they can put it all together

With one more game to go in the preseason.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Oct 22, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious what you think will happen

It’s the last game of the preseason, and not to mention it’s a b2b. I expect you will see a lot of the same tonight as you did last night.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 22, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

tomorrow night^ (damn typo's)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 22, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Casspi has impressed me a lot

also, I love Pandora radio.

"I'm too weird ta live but much too rare ta die"

by aKingisBored on Oct 22, 2009 11:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the recap btw

"I'm too weird ta live but much too rare ta die"

by aKingisBored on Oct 22, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice recap, Thanks for taking the time

On Sergio’s TO’s, I think one was a traveling call that the ref blew the call on, based on the play by play.

It’s difficult to assign blame for TO’s sometimes especially when the player is being aggressive. And, at the rate Serio has been setting up our bigs for easy dunks, I’m not going to hold it against him if he gets 4, especially if we are winning big.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 22, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sergio

He had 7 points, 5 assists and just one TOs at the half. 6 assists, 4 TOs and no point after. It might be an issue of tackling the majority of minutes as opposed to play at some streaky passages of the game and make an immediate difference.

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Oct 23, 2009 4:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finally! A great game from Noce!

I’m hoping he’s finally got his rhythm back and that a game like this will be the norm for the season, rather than the exception.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Oct 22, 2009 11:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I predicted 34 wins because I liked the thought

of twice as many as last year. I wasn’t serious. But now, I think Tyreke is worth 10 wins. Casspi , combined with JTs big improvement over last year has me now thinking that 34 is a legit goal. That would be huge. Another area I am pleased with is that in the draft alone we acquired 3 players that will be fun to watch…last year I don’t think we even had 3. Too bad Garcia is out because he was my favorite last year.
Things are looking up/

by ElRonToro on Oct 22, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As to the Poll - Casspi hands down

Expectations for Tyreke are higher. A late round pick claiming a serious rotation spot (I believe he has) before pre-season is even over?
He’ll be talked about as the steal of the draft along with Blair (If Blairs knees hold up).

I’m still hoping for a Waiver wire young big man to both back up and put pressure on Hawes.
Koufos maybe.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 22, 2009 11:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Utah, ATl, Minn , Por & Cle all waived Center

But, don’t expect GP to waste his last roster spot on a 2nd rounder or undraft player.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 22, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whats the risk?

of an unguaranteed contract through Jan?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 23, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The energy and rebounding are the biggest surprises

I will give credit of that to the FO. With diminishing salaries, they hired a new Head Coach on the cheap, and with a dirth of talent on the roster at season’s end gave their team a new personality to start this season. Expectations to increase the win total are there, even though it will be an increase of just a few, but this is a Kings team that we fans can pin a future of hope to.

For old times sake, I match these new young guns to some names of the past:
Tyreke Evans – Mitch Richmond (Havoc to Rock)
Casspi – RIcky Berry/Christie
Brockman – Animal Smith
Sergio – Bobby Hurley

Silly I know, but old fans do these things.

by betweentheeyes on Oct 23, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Casspi all the way. If he keeps playing the way he is

he will eventually start! Lets finally give it up for Donte.

Miguel Cotto will defeat Pacquiao on November 14, 2009! For PUERTO RICO baby..

by slamson on Oct 23, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

give it for or on Donté?

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 23, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds like a good SNL skit with Justin Timberlake. Give it on up for Donte Greene!

by spragueito on Oct 23, 2009 9:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Kings got outrebounded

But their best rebounders didn’t play that much, so I’m not duly worried. Plus our benchn dominated.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 23, 2009 3:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

By their best rebounders, I'm referring to the Kings.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 23, 2009 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Thunder also missed a ton of shots

And the rebounding advantage sort of went away when the Thunder were sometimes getting 2 or 3 o-boards every trip down. They missed so many shots that it’s really hard to fault the Kings entirely for every missed rebound when you’re up that much.

That being said, it’s never a good thing to lose a rebound off a missed FT.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2009 4:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In order of achievement

Omri, late pick who looks like, as LTTG says, the steal of the draft.
JT, for being so damn fierce
Tyreke, for making us happy he isn’t a pure PG

As to PW and TZ, they are both proven winners so they meet expectations

by MustangMBS on Oct 23, 2009 4:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's wait a year until announcing the candidates for the steal of the draft

We might not know who the steal of the draft is until 5 years down the road.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2009 4:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot to mention

That I am psychic. I am saying that from 5 years down the road…

by MustangMBS on Oct 23, 2009 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just the way I loved Anthony Johnson and Michael Stewart

Even though I knew they were limited, my head didn’t want to believe it because I liked the way they played so much and that they were young.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

We love rookies who come in with 3 years of professional non-NBA experience as a low pick and immediately make an impact on pre-season games.

by MustangMBS on Oct 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Bomb-ri had 4 years of experience with Maccabi

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

started 2005-2006 season with them

by MustangMBS on Oct 23, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

He played with a different Israeli team before Maccabi for a year too.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or actually

He played with Maccabi a year, Hapoel Galil Elyon for a year, and Maccabi the last 2.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

DX sorta corroborates this too.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

Loving all the alley oops in the highlight video

by BrooklynFan on Oct 23, 2009 5:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's very early.
I’m not sure how a guy that is 6’10’ grabs only one board in 22 minutes…

How long ago it seems…

And I found this while I was looking for a photo of Peja, I don’t know what it means:

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 23, 2009 6:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

by the way, has #16 retired?

Haven’t heard him mentioned in a while.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Oct 23, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's still on the Hornets

I read that he’ll be coming off the bench this season with Julian Wright starting.

by rc360 on Oct 23, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Wow, that’s a pricey back-up.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Oct 23, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

shooting about 30% in pre-season

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 23, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone paid attention

to the Grizzlies boxscore and silently thanked them after reading the stat line of Hasheem Thabeet? I know I have.

by gtrman1973 on Oct 23, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

17 minutes, 3pts, 3 boards, 1 assist, 0 blocks, 4 fouls

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 23, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

he’s going to need time. I still don’t think he will ever justify being the #2 pick though

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 23, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even then

If he suceeds, he’ll always be a guy tat has more impact than the stat line shows. He will change more shots than he blocks.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 23, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still not enough to justify being the #2 pick

and IMO not even being a top 5 pick

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 23, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To which I say

thank you Memphis! The boxscores from all the pre-season games he has played have been similar to the one you mentioned. A top 5 pick needs to produce. I know it is early, but I am hyped that we got Tyreke and Omri.

by gtrman1973 on Oct 23, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sniper all the way!

He was the pick I was post excited about after the draft and he still is. Even though I think Tyreke will be a super duper star.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Oct 23, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're a big dude.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 23, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or not.

I’m standing on I believe the 4th step. If I was that big I’d be PLAYING in summer league.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Oct 23, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Omri wearing an old BMiller practice jersey?

Weird. Maybe his hadn’t come in yet?

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Actually he was being his normal wild self and his normal jersey got ripped while diving for a loose ball. After halftime he came out rocking the old Bmill jersey.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Oct 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Casspi all right...

This kid is good! And if he’ll have the “Chutzpah” that he had in Europe… watch out!

by HESS2479 on Oct 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyreke looks soooo much better than
  1. pick Harden

Hell, Casspi looks better

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what the hell happened? I wrote: #3 pick and it went wierd.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 23, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gogo SBNation auto-formatting. If you start a line with #, it thinks you’re making a numbered list and starts at one

  1. first
  2. second
  3. third

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by Viliphied on Oct 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: FTs

Tom, you are right that it is alarming, but it is also probably a byproduct of our guys actually trying to play D. Especially since we are giving minutes to so many young players. They will need to learn to pick their spots to swipe and swing, but I would much rather see them overworking on D and going through these growing pains than live through another season of matador defense.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Oct 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Impressions

Casspi by far. It is hard to judge without really seeing them, but his numbers show he deserves PT when the games are for real. I am optimistic that the team will out perform the experts predictions. Bring on the season.

by finsdad on Oct 23, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Omri Casspi

Much better than expected in my book. He’s had an impressive preseason.

by oldenpolynice on Oct 23, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs


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