The View From Section 214, 10/23 - Fact Or Fiction?
Rantdumb musings from tonight’s game
Fact: The Kings outscored the Jazz 51-47 in the 2nd half of tonight’s game while missing 2,123 free throws.
Fiction (though not by much): Spencer Hawes missed 2,108 of those free throws.
Fact: Tyreke Evans more than held his own against one of the best point guards in the league (21 points on 57% true shooting percentage, 5 boards, 5 assists, 3 steals, a blocked shot, and 7 turnovers. Deron Williams is a stone-cold competitor, but at times it looked like he was not having a lot of fun dealing with the long and physical Evans.
Fiction: Kosta Koufos is 20 years old. The bald spot on his head is 45.
Fact: Jason Thompson has left Spencer Hawes in the development rear-view mirror. It is now up to Spencer to show his mettle and establish himself as an important part of the future of this team. This is a little harsh considering the regular season has not started yet, but the body language that I saw tonight was that of an unsure player. On the other hand, Desmond Mason missed 28 shots tonight and never looked shaken.
Fact: Desmond Mason’s shooting range is 3" and in...when he's hot...which has not happened yet.
Fiction: Beno Udrih has found his niche on this team.
Fact: Donté Greene is a 2. This is according to Truck Robinson, who did a pregame Q & A with some season ticket holders. When asked if Greene was a 3 or a 4, Truck answered, "We’re going to play him at the 2." Interesting.
Fact: When Donté jacks an ill-advised 3, Paul Westphal jacks Donté Greene.
Fiction: If you’re Jewish, you can freely make Jewish jokes in public. After the Kings clanked free throw after free throw, Omri Casspi drained a pair. I turned to my buddy and said, "Of course Casspi made them – they’re free!" The lady sitting behind us was very offended. Fortunately for me, she was more offended by the two hot women that locked lips during the "Kiss Cam" segment (Slamson also dry humped a security guard – the game should have been broadcast on Cinemax).
Fact: Chickens make lousy house pets. The same may also be true about Kyrylo Fesenko.
Fact: The Kings were not ready for the physical play of the Jazz, but they adapted to it and actually became the more physical of the two teams as the game progressed (Jon Brockman, hello!). These are not your grandfather’s Sacramento Kings. Brockman, Casspi, Noc, Evans, JT – these guys can dish it at least as well as they take it. The Kings actually outrebounded the Jazz. Again, for emphasis. The Kings won the rebounding battle tonight, thanks to 6 different guys grabbing at least 5 boards each.
Conjecture: If this team starts the season healthy (Garcia notwithstanding), you may have seen the last of the significant minutes for Greene, Rodriguez and Brockman, at least for awhile. JT/May/Hawes/Noc are your up front minutes, Mason/Martin/Casspi have the wings covered (plus a little from Evans), and Evans and Udrih get the minutes at the point. Greene, Rodriguez and Brockman may draw specific assignments on specific nights, but that’s about it.
Fact: It's going to be frustrating rooting for this team at times this year, but it will always be worthwhile. I sense no surrender in this squad. They look as if they will fight until the fight is done. Bring on the regular season!
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That picture of Kenny Natt was funny as hell..
Other than that nice review!
Miguel Cotto will defeat Pacquiao on November 14, 2009! For PUERTO RICO baby..
Nice recap.
A couple of points…
Without hating on cisco, who I love as a player, his injury could end up being a good thing for us in the short term, because it means we get to see more Omri.
Seems like JT is ready to rumble this year. let’s hope he keeps putting up the numbers!
Sergio will get plenty of backup minutes at the 1 when Beno gets a hangnail.
Bring on the Thunder! can’t wait to see how the season pans out!
by Rickyflip on Oct 24, 2009 12:13 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Noce had an ok game.
14 pts, 409 shooting, 3-7 from three, 3 rebs, 1 assist
There can only be one Noce!
Fact: Nice recap
Fiction: Ziller is a prisoner in Section’s basement, so Section could get more front page time.
Hurry up and get here Thursday(Wednesday for you homers).
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An 8 man rotation ?
Totally unheard of.
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It was good enough for Madonna in the 90s.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Oct 24, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Oh my
There is something very appropriate about that joke. I just can’t figure out what.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Classic line Andy.
No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.
-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)
Still work for Madonna.
No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.
-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)
Yes yes
I couldn’t count and was delirious. (I’m still delirious, but well, I can at least count again.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Fact: Donté will play the 2 when pigs fly
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Swine flew
What's the past tense for "scam"? Is it "scrumped"?
by swoosh91 on Oct 24, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Spencer has been sucking of late (relative to my/our lofty expectations)
But we all need to take a deep breadth and realize this dude should be a college senior. If he were to be drafted as a rookie next year, with 4 years of college seasoning, we would all be WOWed by his amazing game. Makes sense for JT to be utterly destroying him at this point.
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
Maybe, just maybe...
JT put more into his game this past off-season than Spencer. Sure, it’s pre-season, but 0-6, 1-6 just plain stinks. If he can’t bring more than that 1 game before regular season starts, maybe he doesn’t deserve to be the starter. Also, note to Spencer, work on your free throws.
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Almost forgot...
This team desperately needs another big…
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I'm quite curious how Spencer missing Summer League has much to do with his struggles this pre-season?
It’s not like Jason Thompson is 100% goodness in the center either.
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The biggest problem I noticed about this game
was how much we missed having someone who can shoot and score, like K-Mart and Cisco. Our team as a whole is behaving a whole lot tougher on the defensive end, but our offense is suffering greatly from not having our two leading scorers from last year. I think we would have won this game with K-Mart, and I think a large part of our success this year will revolve around his health.
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Oh yeah
and Tyreke had 21 points, not 27.
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Typo on my part
Since corrected. Thanks for catching that.
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Donte at the 2?
I remember another super athletic forward that a coach tried to put at the 2 and it ended up failing miserably. I also remember how that got Scotty Brooks his job. And I even remember how that player is about 100 times better than Donte Greene.
Anybody else think this is a terrible idea?
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Depends on who he matches up with on defense.
I think he’d only be the two on offense. On defense, he’d probably guard the 3.
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But playing the 2 keeps him near the perimeter
where he’s kind of prone to jacking up bad 3’s. The best moments we’ve seen from the kid are on those sweet ass put back slams. Dude’s talented enough to score from everywhere but wants to settle on the three point shot. Playing him at the 2 is gonna make it worse
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Depends
It keeps him on the perimeter on defense, but there is no law as it pertains to where he plays on offense.
Donté with his feet set shooting a 3 from the corner? Not a bad idea. Posting up a smaller opposing 2 guard? Not a bad idea. On the perimeter? I’m with you, vfettke. Bad idea. Bad. Bad.
And 1 – If his minutes are going to be restricted to certain defensive match-ups at the 2, he will see very limited minutes.
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I'm for anything that gets donte into more alley oop scenarios
And anything that gets him driving to the basket.
The highlights of his oops and assists from off his feet at the hoop have been sweet.
I don’t know if having Donte play the two in of itself does that, however Donte playing the two may make for personnel decisions at the 3 and 4 that help facilitate more oops and assists. I.e. he can be on the floor more at the same time with Omri who is quickly proving himself to be a reliable long range threat, Sergio who always looks to throw up the alley, and Noce, another long range threat who helps spread the defense. Donte is also probably a better defensive option at the two than Beno. Beno and Sergio on the floor at once seems nice offensively, i.e. two ball handlers on the floor at once, but that combo is a defensive sieve. With Donte and Omri you have two guys who can guard most twos and threes.
A couple of items
via Sam Amick. The Kings have at least had a conversation with the agent for Jake Voskuhl, and Hawes is coming off thebench not because he has been demoted, but because there is no big man on the roster after Hawes and JT.
I have not been a fan of signing an oversized piece of meat and filling the 15th and final roster spot, but if it gets Spencer and JT playing together again (and this is when Hawes has played his best ball), then I am for it.
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I get the reasoning for Westphal starting May
But I don’t think you can start him every night. You have to have Spencer and JT start most nights. But against some of the smaller teams it might be ok. But then again, having Spencer start against smaller teams is probably a plus.
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I dunno about everyone else
but I really like Jake Voskuhl.. he’s tough, he doesn’t give up on plays and he’s a great guy. Would love him signed.
"Greg Ostertag is one of the finest centers in the history of Western Civilization." - Bill Walton
comme çi, comme ça
Jake is a banger, coachable, has played for a national champ team (UConn) and has been well coached in the pros. He will provide fouls, widebodyness (don’t play scrabble with me, I make up words all the time and will make you look them up), and enthusiasm. He is reminiscent of Section214 Joseph WIlliam Kleine or a Mark Madsen . He is 6’11" to Jon Brockman’s 6’7".
comes down to: the Kings could do worse, and the guy is available.
by betweentheeyes on Oct 24, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
My feeling is play Kenny Thomas
What else are you paying him for? If he gets hurt, and you need relief up front, than sign a player. Until then, it’s a waste of money and a roster spot.
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A couple of things,
Sean May has had a few very solid games. 7-12, 7 rebounds in 19 minutes against the Suns, and 5-8, 7 rebounds in 19 minutes last night. This may have been a quality signing on Petrie’s part, given his recent drought.
Also, if Casspi continues to improve, it could really speed up the rebuilding process. Depending on Hawes’ progression, that would give the Kings a strong base with a quality player at each position.
And Hawes, wtf man? I think I remember last year he started off slowly in the preseason, but came out strong once the regular season began. It’s hard to pass judgment without actually being able to watch a game yet, but I hope his sub-par performance this preseason isn’t due to a weak work ethic on his part over the off season. He’s just getting punished on defense.
Finally, what’s the deal with Martin? I thought his ankle health was back to 100% from last year? Is this the same injury he had all last season? Does the guy just have weak ankles?
Also,
It seems like Udrih may get most of the minutes at backup PG, but to me he hasn’t performed better than Sergio (who admittedly hasn’t performed great, either). But Sergio did show his superior passing potential with his 9 or 10 assist game against the Suns. His allyoop pass to Greene was spectacular. I have to admit, that was one of the few great plays I’ve seen from Donte. He recognized his man drifting towards Sergio who had the ball, and immediately took advantage of it and broke back-door straight to the rim. No hesitation.
Martin
Was suited and went through layups, but Westphal told him that there was no need to take the chance.
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Well put
Just to add some thoughts from the game…
*We really needed someone who could score. That second quarter was nearly unbearable. With 3 minutes remaining in the quarter, I turned to my friend and said “I’ll be happy if they score 15 points.” Never thought I’d say that.
*Desmond Mason: That was painful to watch on the offensive end. This might not be an apt analogy, but he reminded me of Donte Greene. You know, lots of athleticism, not a lot of shot. The good part is, Mason knows his shot stinks.
*Sean May: His box score looks good. His game tonight, did not. He got some points on 2 putbacks in the second half, which were nice, but he took about 4-5 shots out on the perimeter that were ghastly to watch. I am not looking forward to an entire season of me cussing every time he takes that long range two.
*Spencer Hawes: Ouch. He couldn’t buy a point.
*Omri Casspi: This guy should be our 6th man if he isn’t a starter. He played hard, and has a great shot.
*Tyreke Evans: He had some great moves last night. Seriously, like a ballerina on the court. A BALLERina? Anyway, this guy is for real, he was doubled every time he drove the lane.
*Beno Udrih: He was a black hole last night, driving into traffic, taking bad shots, running around getting in the way. He has the same damn haircut as Nocioni, so from my nosebleed seats, I had to pause to figure out who it was before cursing.
They both have ‘No’ in their name, which does not bode well for them…
The hustle in the 1st, 3rd, and 4th quarters was heartening. The King’s didn’t allow anything easy, and had no qualms about hard fouls rather than giving up shots. Casspi, Thompson, and Brockman were the leaders of this movement, and it was nice to see.
Hawes...
Spencer’s poor performance is, and should be, disconcerting. The Hawes is needed as a big off the bench sounds more like a spin on the situation to me. Ridiculous that you’d take a player, if he were good, and put him with the 2nd unit just for size. Sounds like Wphal is protecting Hawes from being bashed. Lastly, the “he’s only a senior” argument does not wash. Hawes is going into his third NBA year. He should not be digressing, but that is the direction he’s going. Let’s hope he turns it around, and thanks for the review 214…
I agree.
I’m wondering if he hasn’t lost his job and sulking. This is a very disappointing development for one of the building blocks of the franchise. Gerry Gerald said on the radio last night that it was a very good chance that Spencer would start off the bench. Napier has alluded to the building blocks for the franchise being Thompson and Evans and hopefully Hawes or others develop. I think that behind closed doors there is more concern here than what we are giving here. I like Hawes but I have put my opinion out there that I believe that he hasn’t totally dedicated himself to the career that has chosen him- not necessarily the career that he has chosen.
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That will never change.
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Soon they'll be saving Hawes
because we need a big during garbage time. Like the Pistons used to do with Darko.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
One more thing.....
Shock and May just doesn’t haven’t a ring to it.
Shock and (Bear) Claws?

Mmm, bear claws.
And how did we miss the Shock and Claws reference when Mikki was still here?
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by section214 on Oct 24, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or -
Shock and (weight) clause.
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by section214 on Oct 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's the one section.
No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.
-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)
In defense of Hawes
I haven’t been able to watch any of the preseason games so I haven’t seen Hawes’ body language on the court, but if I were him I wouldn’t be thrilled about the organization’s planning. We signed May to be the backup PF and now he is starting at C? Why did we sign Desmond Mason instead of a real backup center? If I’m Hawes, I’m thinking “wait, so you are telling me that after being a focal point of the offense down the stretch last year, I’m coming off the bench because the backup big you signed is too short to guard centers?”. That’s just poor decision-making, as is the decision to start Mason. We won 17 games last year, folks. We have nowhere to go but up, and bringing our promising young big off the bench behind an undersized FA castoff (who has played well, admittedly) isn’t the way forward.
However -
(And this is coming from a guy that has defended Hawes) The starting job is not an entitlement that is simply bestowed upon you because you were a lottery pick. Hawes has had the opportunity to play so well that Westphal would have no choice but to start him, but he has failed, epically to this point.
Hawes has never been a summer league or preseason stud, so maybe he plays his way in more once the regular season starts. But at this point he has just not earned it with the new coaching staff. JT has earned it. Omri Casspi has been earning it. Tyreke Evans has been earning it.
I like Spencer Hawes and we need him, badly. But he needs to step up and earn it. I think that he can do this. The question is, what is Spencer thinking?
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to quote ad nauseum
It is pre-season.
I am not ready to go any further with questions about young Mr. Hawes. The remedy here is a tincture of time and a healthy dose of patience, and call me in the morning season.
by betweentheeyes on Oct 24, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
And Spencer can put this behind him with consecutive good performances to open the season. The ball is in his court, so to speak.
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Omri Casspi may have earned it
But he won’t start. You can bank on that.
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He's earned playing time
he’ll get that. As high as I am on him I don’t want to wear him down, put too much on him yet. We already have one rookie we’re putting a ton on.
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by lietothegirls on Oct 25, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I look at Omri as a valuable part of the rotation
He needs to be valuable off the bench or in a starter’s role. My view is he can play, and he’ll be ready no matter what PW asks of him.
Any rookie that does that is always going to get a gold star in my book. The reality is that the Kings don’t need as much scoring in the starting lineup as they do off the bench.
Until Francisco Garcia comes back healthy, and consistently contributing, this is going to be a big problem.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Omri is filling in Cisco's role
Cisco was that multi position guy who could come off the bench at the 1,2, or 3 and give you scoring & defense, as the need arised. And although Omri might not be able to play the 1, his role is the same. He’s played the 2 as much as Beno, and some might say he’s done a better job of it.
So, expect Omri to come off the bench until Cisco returns to full strength.
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Yuh :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
fortunately
we don’t need him to play any 1, not anymore.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 27, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
entertaining and informative as always, thanks for taking the time Section, rec'd
Last year, GP laid an egg. This year, that shell is being broken and starting to emerge is this year’s young chick (is a baby rooster a roost? or do you call a baby cock a =insert fellow blog poster whom you wish to demean here=?). I digress , which is to say I am following Section’s posting style – it is to add something irreverant and funny, and only one of us is successful in doing so – not me).
This emerging form – I see a mostly defensive oriented team, they have thus far outrebounded and outfouled opponents. They are scrappy and need some time and experience to find their chops. It is a different look that we fans need to adjust to.
About last night’s game: Kevin Martin is a 25 ppg that was not on the floor last night. Add Cisco’s 12.7 to the deficit column and the offense has a good deal of making up to do, Keep it in mind.
Lastly,
These are not your grandfather’s Kings.. Section, your grandfather’s Kings heard “Let my people go”.
by betweentheeyes on Oct 24, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i think it would be good for Spence to come off the bench
Maybe it will motivate him.
If that happens then that means Shock is the starting 5 and May is the 4.
I swear I have had this argument before about Spence coming off the bench and JT starting at center. Thompson is playing more like a center than Spencer. For now. Spencer needs to have the challenge to motiviate him.
Also, I guess if Voshkul is in shape that’s not a bad move. Where has he been playing the last couple years?
Also, I would like to see a lineup of Evans, Casspi at the off guard, Noc, Brock, and JT play a lot more together.
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by Ice_9ine on Oct 24, 2009 11:22 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
JT can't play center
against any legitimate center because he fouls out in a nano-second when defending down low against anyone with legit game. He has to be protected for the time being playing against the other team’s less skilled big.
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Voshkul is not a good rebounder
if he signed to fill in only for injuries or foul trouble by both JT and Hawes then I’m guess I’m ok with him.. Could we trade him for Fesenko?
Another question
Have Casspi, Greene and Noc shown enough that they can deliver at the 3 at least as well as Mason? That is, do you sign Voskuhl, waive Mason and keep the 15th roster spot open?
My opinion is that Casspi has shown enough defensive chops that Mason is not really needed. Just my opinion.
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100% agree
Casspi was tops on defense last night. I think that with him Mason is not as needed and when you can play either Casspi or Noc at 3 it is good. Greene hasn’t proven anything.
The only reason to keep Mason is if you plan to trade Noc. If so or if that is an option you want to keep open then he may stay on the roster.
I agree about Mason.
I thought he was a good sign but the dude cannot score at all and Casspi seems to be ready to shoulder at least a portion of the load. Between Evans and Martin as starters and Sergio and Udrih as primary bench players, I think the back court is set. Noc, Donté Omri can share the minutes at the three and Westphal can even steal a few minutes like he did last night with a big line-up of Hawes, Thompson and May.
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I disagree
let’s not waive the only un-injured guy on the roster with a hope of defending elite small forwards until Casspi has played some real games. Maybe he’s ready for it; he’s looked really good, but there’s a difference between “maybe he’s ready” and “the roster is empty other than you”.
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Why can't we do both
Mason’s contract isn’t fully guaranteed until Jan. Are the Kings looking for a big under the same type of contract. If so, fill the 15th roster spot and let they fight it out to see who stays come Jan 1st.
If the big has to have a guaranteed contract, Omri has until Jan to prove he can take the job away from Mason.
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Someone has to explain to me how Jake Voskuhl will help this team in more ways...
….than Kenny Thomas or Jon Brockman could.
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It's just foul minute meat
Voskuhl can take up more space than Thomas. He might actually fight Greg Oden for a rebound, for example. Thomas? No chance.
Again, I am only for signing tall meat if it means that it makes Westphal comfortable enough to start Hawes and Thompson together.
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by section214 on Oct 24, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Hawes doesn't convince PW that he & JT should be the front line
I fail to really see what it is that Voskuhl brings that would convince PW otherwise.
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Well, that is the unknown
Is Hawes coming off the bench because of his play or because of the lack of height on the bench if he starts?
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Only PW knows
May the Voskuhl tarot leaves tell the answer.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
There is no way that May beat out Hawes
especially when you consider that the swap happened before the PHO game. I agree with 214. This is PW’s attempt to keep either JT or Hawes on the floor as much as possible. May has got no inside game ( all long jumpers and offensive put backs) and the opposing bigs are shooting and rebounding right over him.
Take into consideration that JT and Hawes both play better with each other, and it makes more sense to get another big to come off the bench. May & Brockman or May & Noc will never be affective at the 4/5. So, unless there is someone else on the horizon, we need to pick up the best backup available.
If were deperate for a open roster spot for some as yet unknown monster trade, we can release Mason before Jan or buyou someones contract.
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If we're talking about inside continuity I agree with you
The problem is, Voskuhl has no real inside game. Yes he bangs, but isn’t that what Jon Brockman does? Yes, he might be better at certain things now than Brockman, but aren’t the Kings developing young players? Does Brockman qualify as that?
I fail to see how using a roster spot on a marginal player is anything more than a way of waving money at a problem. Sean May is not perfect, and there isn’t anyone denying that (I don’t think). On the other hand, I’m a bit confused on how Voskuhl would greatly help the Kings other than having 6 fouls to use. Hell, Kenny Thomas can do that. Yes, the team needs to get better up front, but i fail to see how Voskuhl does that for this team at this time.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I've never really advocated getting Voskuhl
I have been in favor a getting another center since the free agent signing period began. But, with the regular season starting in 4 days, I’m really open to anyone over 6’10" at this point. Heck, try Donte at Center.
I just believe that JT and Hawes compliment each other and we need them on the court together. And, that May is most valueable at PF and not at Center. Even May admits that he’s limited in the number of centers he can defend. So, if we have to get a lumbering mound to keep people out of the paint and defensive rebound, so be it.
As I said we can still clear a roster spot up if the need arrises.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
You can only suit up 12 players though.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 24, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
And play 5 at a time.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You'd think
with our record last year, they’d give us six.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 24, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
In the past it seemed our opponent had 6 on the court at times
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
if the pre-season trend continues, even without replacements
it may seem like 9.
In the past it seemed our opponent had 6 on the court at times
by betweentheeyes on Oct 25, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers had 8
in game 6.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 25, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bevetta, Delaney, and Bernhardt
which one wasn’t part of the 9 Lakers?
by betweentheeyes on Oct 26, 2009 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Centers
Why did the Kings release Melvin Ely? I thought we brought him in to be the backup big. I am not sold on Jake, but he may be the best option. Cuts will be made this week, maybe someone will pop up for the Kings to use.
Long term, Hawes needs to be in the starting line-up with JT.
Because Melvin Ely sucks.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
whatever happened to 3-wil? Is he filming adult movies for a living? We could pay him next to nothing to rebound the basketball a few minutes a game
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Oct 24, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions
I would rather opt for a young unknown than Jake Voshkul
for instance, Garret Siler is a big big man, 7 foot almost 300 pounds, can score, and has an ability to rebound with good coaching. He played for Minny in the summer league and averaged 8 and 7, but they thought they were good on size up front and he is definitely a raw player. Atlanta used him during the preseason but he didn’t get much burn since they have Horford, Zaza, and some other back up big already.
I think a player with good hands and great size like Siler, someone who can score inside and give us a few fouls in 5 or 6 minutes against big teams while he gets a chance to prove himself in practice is something we really need. There are not a lot of players that size with potential to score.
There isn’t a lot written about him, but I found this blurb on CBSsprorts: “Garret Siler 7 ft 291 lbs. Averaged 15 points and 12 rebounds at Portsmouth Invitation. Great Hands and long arms. Had 76 blocks his senior year. Shot 79 at Division II Augusta State his Senior Year. year.”
I think that means he shot 79%, which is what this team needs from a situational big man.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
never heard of him - but intriguing
I’d prefer a young big with some upside. That is unless its all just upside and there’s no chance he can play on the court right now.
We need some valuable (10) minutes at the big.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Oct 25, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's prediction time
so Imma go ahead and spit one out there to have it on record
Plain and simple: Spencer Hawes will be just fine. I’ll worry when he averages 5pts 3 boards by the All Star break
The future begins now...
I'll build on that
Donte will learn under PW’s coaching, and become a better defender and make better choices in his shots.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
You'll get hurt
I enjoy the fact that Brockman is here to bang and cause some hurt. This is a new direction for an old Kings fan.
I really hope several things
One, you’re not from Cincinnati, and Two, that you didn’t witness Bob Cousy in an uni.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The issue is
We are almost guaranteed that Hawes or JT will miss some games this year for one reason or another. That not counting games where one or both may get into foul trouble.
Its just not enough.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

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