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Rookie stats rankings for the preseason

I took a look at the statistics of rookies in the preseason and found some interesting (enjoyable) news out there:

 

 

Star-divide

Tyreke Evans is
  • 1st in Points per game (15.1, followed by Flynn, Blair and Griffin (13.7))
  • 3rd in Assists per game (4.7, behind Jennings and Curry, ahead of Flynn, Teague, Maynor, Lawson... He is also 9th in Assists per 48 minutes)
  • With his 1.18 A/TO ratio, he is exactly 0.03 point above Blake Griffin...)
  • Yes, he is the first in TO per game (4.0, Curry who is second has 3.2))
  • Yes, he also leads all rookies in minutes per game (31.3, followed by Curry, Gibson, Budinger and Griffin, they all, plus few other rookies, in the range of 25-28 minutes per game)
  • 3rd in Blocks per game (exactly 0.29 blocks above Blake Griffin... Only behind Thabeet and Taj Gibson)
  • 3rd in Blocks per foul (among players who averaged at least 10 minutes per game)
  • Only seven rookies who averaged at least 10 minutes per game averaged also less fouls per 48 mintues than Tyreke and only three of them (Flynn, Sam Young and Budinger) averaged at least 20 minutes
  • 4th in rebounds per game (4.9, Griffin leads with 8.1, Blair has 7.9, Gibson 5.8)
  • 1st in PTS+AST+REB per game total (24.7 followed by Griffin with 24.0,  Blair with 22.9 and Flynn with 20.5)
  • Just 12th in Steals per game...
  • 9th in FT attempts per game and 7th in FT made (75%)

Omri Casspi is

  • 9th in points per game (ahead of Curry, Budinger, Lawson or Jennings among others)
  • 4th in FG% among players who took at least four shots per game (behind Blair, Griffin and Lawson) with 55.2 (Griffin has 56.9, Lawson 56.5, Blair 59.4)
  • 1st in 3points made, 6th in 3points attempted and 1st in 3pt % except of Austin Daye who shot just 5/8 during the preseason (Omri's percentage is 52.4!!!)
  • Also 5th in 2points % among players who took at least 20 shots (Thabeet took only 18 in 8 games for example), his percentage is 56.8
  • 14th in PTS+AST+REB per game while around the 20th place in most other main statistics
  • Only 5 positions behind Tyreke in Fouls per 48 minutes
  • 17th in TO per game
  • 16th in Minutes per game

Jon Brockman is

  • 2nd in Rebounds per 48 minutes among all rookies who averaged at least 10 minutes per game (behind Blair only, ahead of Griffin or Thabeet)
  • 10th among all rookies in offensive rebounds per game (Tyreke and Omri are tied for the 13th place by the way)
  • He also leads all rookies in fouls per 48 minutes, being the 9th in the whole league among all players who played at least 48 minutes... (Fesenko is the leader, by the way)

Unfortunately, I could not find any source for advantaged statistics so I can bring no comparison for effective shooting, rebound percentage, usage etc... Nevertheless, this year's draft already seems to bring some upside to the city.

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Some updates of advanced statistics as contributed by pookeyguru in the discussion (I use basketball-reference data where I compare his values):

  • Tyreke’s usage rate is 26.22  while Omri’s is 21.70. Just for comparison, last year's Kevin Martin's rate was 27.4 while John Salmons had 21.9. Beno Udrih as a former starting pointguard (as it seems) had 18.2. Also, no other King has had higher usage rate than 26 since Chris Webber left in 2005.
  • Tyreke's TS% is 50.3. Omri’s TS% is 65.7%. Not only is Omri's TS% higher than Kevin Martin's at any regular season as pookey mentioned, the last time that any player actually had higher TS% in a regular season was Mario Elie with 66.2 in 96/97. (Amare Stoudemire was very close two years ago with 65.6). At the same time, Tyreke's TS% is aroun the level of last year's Bobby Jackson, which is not very good
  • Tyreke’s eFG is 45.7% and Omri’s eFG is 64.66%. Pretty much the same indicators.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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KFfCe

What source did you use to get these stats?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Kffce

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And to that end

Here is the NBA.com stat site if you’re interested in it for your own purposes.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've added it to the post

Probably good thing to remind me. By the way, is there any source for complex advanced statistics from the preseason?

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Oct 24, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not

But I’ll calculate the rates if you like. You just have to know the formula and the stats for each players.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm only going to calculate the usage rates for Omri and Tyreke

Otherwise, it’s not worth it Kffce.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll do the eFG and TS% as well

But otherwise, I’ll just leave it at that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang it Kffce

I’ve been waiting for Pre-season to end so I could do a post just like this. But you beat me to it, so I’ll concede fair and square with a rec.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 24, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

These are just basic stats for rookies

Enough time and space for creativity until Wednesday…

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Oct 24, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Move it or lose it buddy

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess I should go die then

These Spencer Hawes back & forth’s are literally killing me.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you should consider moving to a town of

The Slow And The Alive.

I think the Native Americans had a name for it… Florida.

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Oct 25, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That should be Slow & Temporarily Alive

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 26, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyreke is going to be ROY!

Miguel Cotto will defeat Pacquiao on November 14, 2009! For PUERTO RICO baby..

by slamson on Oct 24, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

His ability to stay out of foul trouble might give him a solid advantage over Griffin, who is not really bad either, but 5.9fouls per 48minutes for Griffin compared to 3.4 for Evans might make a difference.

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Oct 24, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think so too

some analysts on espn said that he will have the greatest impact oin a team, winning the ROY award

that would be something nice!!!

by silverguy on Oct 27, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now Reke's got a 6 week headstart

over Griffin’s broken kneecap.

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Oct 27, 2009 3:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope so. We'll see how much media coverage Griffin, Curry and Jennings get mid-season.

No rookie is in a better situation than Tyreke.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Oct 31, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming I did this right (and I think I did--but it's hard to be sure)

I used this formula, and these pre-season stats.

Tyreke’s USG is 26.22 . Omri’s USG is 21.70. (I’m not sure I trust that Reke & Omri had that little of a gap. Then again, maybe I’m wrong.)

Tyreke TS% is 50.3. Omri’s TS% is 65.7% (Omri’s TS% is ridiculously high. Higher than any TS% Kevin Martin has ever recorded in the regular season. Small sample size, yanno?)

Tyreke’s eFG is 45.7%. Omri’s eFG is 64.66%.

Kffce, feel free to add these to your post. I didn’t want to do anybody more. That’s just too much for me right now.

Anyone willing to double check and verify is always welcome. I’m pretty sure I’m right, but I’m not 100% correct. I haven’t done it enough times.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you have any questions kffce

Send me an email, or just ask comments. I’ll try to answer them if you can’t figure out those formula’s. (Nothing too complicated, I just didn’t want to spend a lot of time figuring the stuff out.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or ask in the comments

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they make sense to me

It is just shame they are not accessible for all players for the whole preseason and one has to calculate them manually. Well, not so much shame really.

I have added your figures to the post, hope it’s ok.

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Oct 24, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me caution people about something that I sort of mentioned in my stats comment

If you judge Tyreke or Omri by their eFG% or TS% after 7 pre-season games, you’re fooling yourself. Sample size is everything. 7 games, and pre-season games at that, are not enough sample size.

I’m hoping I can get my act together and put this stuff in a spreadsheet to do this kind of thing month by month, but I’m not likely going to.

What I would suggest is reading through this Kevin Pelton article that he did on pre-season. (Just click through on the fanshot I did a few days ago.) Anyway, what he did conclude (from what I saw) was that the effort stats have more correlation to regular season data.

It’s quite possible that Omri shoots well in pre-season and shoots 35% from 3 during the regular season. I knew Omri shot well this pre-season, and I’m happy about that. I’m not going to hold my breath that he carries it over into the regular season though.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am

Holding my breath and typing with all of my fingers crossed. Waiting for my huge order of rabbits feet and plan on hanging up buckets full of horse shoes.

But seriously, it really is OK to look at how well the players have played and be hopeful. I will remain a positive and hopeful fan.

by MustangMBS on Oct 24, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

It is a small sample and it is a preseason only. But it is also an instrumental source of optimism, something that the Kings have lacked recently.

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Oct 24, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely

the numbers mean little in themselves but they do show that our rooks played well during preseason and that is a reason to be optimistic about their futures here. We haven’t had a lot of good news the past 2 seasons so when we get some, enjoy it. There will be worse ststs soon.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 25, 2009 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There will be a whole season of stats

Of which will tell a lot more about these 2.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 25, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post! Rec'd

This is pre-season, sure, but good basketball coming from our rooks is great to see. These stats are very encouraging, I think.

It’s important for us to not just draft well, but to draft BETTER than the other teams in the league.

Peja-vu!

by CDinSD on Oct 25, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

REMEMBER HOW WE WANTED JRUE HOLIDAY AT #4

im soooo happy we picked up EVANS at 4

by silverguy on Oct 27, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you wanted Jrue Holiday at #4

But, I know I sure didn’t.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 27, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully it didnt happen

I was never all the impressed with Holiday. Too much of it was based on potential but he hadnt done a whole lot to merit the pick. I’ll give it to JP to really look at everyone out there though.

by Hilton on Oct 30, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks a lot for this CentralEurope! Very interesting stats.

I think the main competition right now is Jeninngs and Flynn. Flynn has been getting loads of praise lately.

Waiting for the All-Star break to see how Griffin adjust to the Clips’ offense.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Oct 31, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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