Casspi should start!

Mason should never play again.

by DesertFox on Oct 29, 2009 8:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

My reasoning

If we bring Mason in off the bench, there’s no point in having him on the team. His offense sucks horribly, but his defense is pretty good. A proper use for Mason should be to hide him with your best scorers (the starters) and have him put his defense on the opposing teams best wing player. Then you sub in Omri for offense (although his defense is getting much better too)

My feeling is that we need someone to be able to bring off the bench and act as a sparkplug to provide offense. Right now with Cisco out, Omri is the only one we have really. Plus he has the versatility to come in for 3 positions. And he can still get 30 minutes a night off the bench (although I likely wouldn’t play him that much, maybe 20-25). Mason will probably only get time in the first quarter and to start the 3rd. Probably 10-20 minutes a night. But he becomes useless to us off the bench, unless we bring him in with our top scorers also in the game.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The problem may be

That we need to more effectively spread the floor for Tyreke and Kevin Martin by having another shooter out there. Mason doesn’t do that – at all. Noce could spread the floor, Casspi could spread the floor, I just don’t see the benefit of mason (really nice guy I hear) who missed a 14 footer by two feet last night and also didn’t use that famed athleticism to get to the rim.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We have other shooters!

Spencer and Sean can space the floor and shoot the 3!

/sarcasm

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by vfettke on Oct 29, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mason's negatives out weight positives

I think the thought may be that his defense can make up for the lack of KMart’s defense, but his presence hurts worse in other ways. I say Mason goes now and we either start Noc or Casspi now.

My vote would be for Casspi. I think this guys is on fire and we need that kind of intensity and effort.

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would have to agree.

You would think, that with a line-up of Martin, Evans, Casspi, Thompson and Hawes we would be pretty fleet footed compared to many teams.

I don’t understand why we don’t implement more of a run and gun style. Anybody have any thoughts on this?

We need more transition points. We need to wear out other teams with our youth. We need to freakin run.

by nothingbutnet on Oct 29, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

bq- If we bring Mason in off the bench, there’s no point in having him on the team. His offense sucks horribly, but his defense is pretty good. A proper use for Mason should be to hide him with your best scorers (the starters) and have him put his defense on the opposing teams best wing player.

I saw this argument in one of your posts the other day. I think it’s a bad one—both in logical and basketball terms. It’s begging the question—Should he be on the team if we have to ‘hide’ him in the starting lineup? Secondly, it’s a false dilemma: He either has to start or he is useless—because he’s too much of a liability to not start…?

We shouldn’t be in the business of ‘hiding’ players anywhere.

To address the issue itself, I agree with ‘Stang, above. Mason’s D might be 4 points per game better than Nocioni and 6 points better than Casspi’s (at least for now), but his offense costs us 8 points points per game compared to Noc or Omri.

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

fail

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me clarify my position

If we’re going to play Mason, or even have him on the team, we have to hide his lack of offensive capabilities. If we play him and bring him off the bench, he’ll hurt us even more offensively and his defense won’t be as effective because the other team probably won’t have their starting 5 in either.

I’m all for playing Noc and Casspi instead of Mason, but if Mason isn’t going to start, I don’t want him playing at all.

That’s my position, if you understand what I’m saying.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't you understand?

There’s never been a productive player on a winning team in the league who was substandard offensively. It is UNPOSSIBLE.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd for unpossible

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by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We're not good enough to have someone who specializes just in defense

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And before we signed him

How many of you guys thought of Mason as a defensive stopper?

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't Kevin Durant quoted saying Mason was a great defender?

that worked out well for Kevin

by BrooklynFan on Oct 29, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was a set-up!

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah -

Right now CP3 is in New Orleans talking about what a great defender Beno Udrih is.

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by section214 on Oct 29, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

See that's a better argument

My point is – I understand the concept Westphal is working towards. And I will agree that Mason may not be the right guy for that concept. However, to restate, IT’S JUST ONE GAME.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get it

How has having guys that just specialize in offense helped us the last few seasons? I swear we won 17 games last season…or did I hallucinate it?

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You were hallucinating

Kenny Natt was absolutely the most brilliant coach in the history of basketball. The problem is nobody else realizes it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

You are certainly viewing the world in oversimplifications and mischaracterizations…I guess that could be considered hallucinating.

by DustyG on Oct 31, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bruce Bowen

comes to mind.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So Impatient

One main thing Omri has going for him is amazing confidence for a rookie. He has great confidence in his game and shooting right now. Let’s not jeopardize that. When he comes off the bench he is looking to score as primary threat, whereas in a starting role he is a second or third option against best scorers in the NBA. I like him coming off the bench against opposing bench players, at least for another 20 to 25 games.

If we give Omri the first two months of the season to play 20 to 30 minutes off the bench, he will see most of the league, and the strengths and weaknesses of the opposing small forwards.

His confidence will be even higher once he has been through the league once, knows better what to expect, and how to be most effective. Then he becomes the starter, at which time Mason will be waived (since he has non guaranteed contract), Noccioni will be traded, and Cisco will be near return to share SF minutes.

by bench_blob on Oct 29, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree with this - start Noce though

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point exactly

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds reasonable, but

But can we really wait. This team is going to keep getting its ass handed to them if we don’t put shooters on the floor. If we start Noc and bench Mason I could go along with this, but Mason needs to go now.

With Mason we have no spreading of the floor. Just not enough shooters to pull the other team out of the paint so Evans can drive. I have to agree with LTTG here.

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can we really wait?

Why yes, yes we can. You can’t really sniff out a trend based on one game. There’s obviously a reason Mason is on the roster, and my guess is Westphal is looking for a veteran to help on the floor with the young players, and to anchor a team defensive concept.

While it was a disaster in the context of this one game, it is just one game.

Based on last night, we might as well bench Tyreke, start Sergio and back him up with Beno right?

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bench Tyreke and start Sergio

that was suggested in the game thread. Funny stuff.

I find it surprising that it seems so many people thought we were going to win 50 games this year. Based on the amount of consternation present over one road loss.

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not basing this on winning games….I want to give Casspi time to develop and improve. Mason will not be here long-term and giving him PT isnt helping the team get better long-term.

by Bellringer21 on Oct 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What if...

Casspi would develop better with 25 minutes a night off the bench than starting in his 2nd game in the NBA?

Give the kid a break, let him get some games in, travel some, get used to what it means to be an NBA player. There will be plenty of time for his to start if he is what we all hope he’ll be.

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by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

?

I wasn’t talking about Casspi. But I’d rather he come off the bench for now. He can still get good minutes and he gets to play against the other team’s 2nd unit.

Picturing him against, LeBron, Pierce, Ron-Ron, Melo, etc frightens me. Of course I’m just a simple caveman.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and still unfrozen

but after these last 24 hours of posts and blogs, I bet you wish you had a bigger freezer

by betweentheeyes on Oct 29, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point is

That starting line-up will never make defenses spread the floor – Ever.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I claim that Noc is better than Mason based on the last 4 years.

There is a reason why Mason is on the roster? That could be the case—but it isn’t a really a reason for him to start, is it?

Also, I suppose that you could say that there have been reasons for each player that has ever been waived to be on a roster at some time. It doesn’t mean that the reason is good—or that factors don’t change. At some point a team determines that the player just isn’t good enough to be on their roster. For Mason, I think the Thunder determined that last year. It’s not news that Mason isn’t starting material.

Having said that, we are sort of left to let things work out how Westphal wants…and we’ll be able to see how all of this transpires.

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why are we so caught up in the starters?

I was listening on the radio, and Westphal subbed literally trying to find anyone on the roster who could play a lick of defense in the first 18 minutes of that game. Starter, bench player…it didn’t really seem to matter.

Conceptually, I can understand Mason starting instead of Nocioni. They are both limited players in different ways, and yes – perhaps Mason even moreso overall than Nocioni. But in a game where our defense killed us, complaining that we didn’t start the inferior defender doesn’t make much sense to me.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the argument goes

The squad on the floor to start the 1st and 3rd quarters sets the tone of the game. However, I do not know if it holds true statistically.

by BrooklynFan on Oct 29, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know either

All I know, is that it’s too early to figure that out either way.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I meant that more aphoristically

I don’t think this kings squad is defining a new paradigm in professional sports.

by BrooklynFan on Oct 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But I wodl lvoe to see an Str resident stat head pull the numbers

by BrooklynFan on Oct 29, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

More importantly

82games.com will have a great breakdown of the best kings lineups over time. I get the idea that you want your energy guys coming off the bench, etc…but my guess is the impact over a long period of time is minimal.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Last Time I Checked

I haven’t seen too many teams (Lakers, Celtics, Cavs, Jazz, Magic, Thunder) starting two of their weaker players. I don’t understand why May and Mason are starting. When the starters play the first 7 minutes of the game, I think that pretty much sets a tone for the game.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Oct 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

a lot of teams (OK San Antonio)

do have one of thier best 3 players come of the bench.
But only one.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You could argue the same with Lamar Odom as well

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by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the Lakers

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That one occurred to me as well

but I didn’t think there was any debate on Ginobli.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I understand why you left it out

And for good reasons.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those teams have better options no?

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Additionally

Do you really think Spencer and Nocioni would have stopped all the wide open jumpers and the conga line to the basket?

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mason negates Evans' strengths

It seemed, perhaps incorrectly, that bob was suggesting that we keep Mason on and as a starter for 20-25 games. I don’t think he should start at all. Can we wait and keep Mason as a starter for most of the season? I doubt it. He is a scoring black hole. Defensively he may be good, but it isn’t working on the offensive end.

I saw Evans drive and hit Mason with the ball out of the double team. Mason can’t make the ball go through the round metal thing attached to the fiberglass, aka hoop. This allows the other team to ignore Mason almost completely and there is always somebody to double team Evans.

Can we afford to always have Evans double teamed and that person who isn’t covered is somebody who can’t make a shot? This defeats the whole purpose of having Evans and severely limits capitalizing on his ability to breakdown the defense and collapse it into the paint, so that he can pass out to the waiting shooter. That is how Evans is going to be the most effective.

Mason on the floor negates Evans’ strengths. We can’t afford it.

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

One game

The problem with your premise (IMO) is that no team could ever have a player on the floor that is offensively inadequate. But that’s only true if the player in question has no significant strengths outside of effective scoring. And Evans had better get used to being double teamed, if he is in fact as good as we think he will be.

Mason is (allegedly) a solid man/team defender. If he brings that to the floor, you can live with his lack of offense. If he can’t do that, he will be gone in short order.

Again, it’s one game. If we get a ways in and it’s clear that Mason’s presence on the floor is ruining the offense, then I’ll agree with you.

In short, you continue to be the small sample size king, you’ve just carried it over from preseason. For pete’s sake, let’s get some tangible data before we get all squirrely.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with Mustang

as I said ad nauseum on the other thread Tyreke needs several spot shooters on the court with him, this year anyway, to really maximize his strengths. May, JT and Mason don’t work.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's important to maximize his strengths

But on the flipside this could help him realize and work on his weaknesses. And if this season and probably next aren’t a time for players to develop, when is?

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

3 years from now

That’s when. Fans are too impatient until then.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You support him, he's our prize rookie

not hang him out to dry so he learns man. As the other things come you adjust from there or just let him be even deadlier.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Small sample size

Mason has quite a background in the NBA and it isn’t like I am only pulling from one game or even from just the preseason to state what I am saying. Mason is not a scorer. That is an understatement. His weaknesses are clearly known.

When you have somebody who doesn’t have to be covered except for down low, as in they can’t shoot worth a damn, and that is Mason, then you can only cover down low. That means that Mason can’t pull the guy covering him away from the paint. The guy can double team Evans when he drives with no problem from Mason.

It is just common sense. This isn’t based on stats or anything like that. It is based on the strengths and weaknesses of these players. We know the strengths and weaknesses of these players as do the other teams that will play against us. We have to make other teams pay to double team Evans. We simply can’t do that by keeping Mason on the floor.

I am unwilling to give up a quarter of the season or more before saying what problems exist with this lineup. Not that it matters that much as I doubt PW is going to look on here for coaching tips.

Why live with somebody’s lack of offense when you have other people who can defend AND shoot. Putting up with an inferior player is just stupid.

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Sorry, that is not common sense

Common sense would be to wait and see how the team does over the next few weeks. But again, you have a penchant for getting worked up over one freaking game, so we’re probably going to have to agree to disagree on that point.

Why live with somebody’s lack of offense when you have other people who can defend AND shoot.

Did I just jump into Bizarro world…this is still the Kings we are talking about right?

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No it's the Lakers

You just took the wrong left turn and ended up 400 miles north.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And your penchant?

Is it, perhaps, to blow off opinions that differ from your own by misrepresenting them as based on a small sample size or on one game when they are not so based.

Not sure what world you live in, but it seems that assessing the strengths and weaknesses of players and looking at how those strengths and weaknesses line up, or don’t, is not in that world. I guess it can be Bizarro world.

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mary Hill used to hang out in Cherry Hill Park
The game she played lasted all day to way after dark
Now all the girls they criticized her but all the guys just idolized her
‘cause Mary Hill was such a thrill after dark, in Cherry Hill Park

Mary Hill loved to ride on the merry-go-round
All the guys got eager eyes watchin’ Mary go ‘round
Now in the daytime Mary Hill was a teaser
Come the night she was such a pleaser
Mary Hill was such a thrill after dark, in Cherry Hill Park

Whoa Mary Hill sure was fun down at Cherry Hill Park
Playin’ games with everyone ‘till way after dark
In Cherry Hill Park, in Cherry Hill Park

And then one day, Mary Hill, she married away
A man with some money said "Come on honey" and she said "Ok"
She went away to play a one man game
And since that day it ain’t been the same
‘cause Mary Hill was such a thrill after dark, in Cherry Hill Park

Whoa Mary Hill sure was fun down at Cherry Hill Park
Playin’ games with everyone ‘till way after dark
In Cherry Hill Park, in Cherry Hill Park
In Cherry Hill Park, in Cherry Hill Park
In Cherry Hill Park, in Cherry Hill Park

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not against assessing

I’m against making definitive judgments after one game.

Listen, I wasn’t a big fan of the Mason signing. I’m not really a big fan of him playing big minutes. What I do understand is WHY Westphal thinks Mason can be of value to this team right now. I also understand that Tyreke Evans’ career is not going to be altered one iota by being on the floor with Desmond Mason. I understand that Omri Casspi is 21 years old, and has played in exactly ONE NBA game. And I understand that if the Mason experiment is a bust and Casspi is inserted into the starting lineup next week, next month, or heaven forbid next season, I don’t think there’s going to be irreparable damage.

But this “OHMYGOD TYREKE IS GOING TO BE DOUBLE TEAMED EVERY TIME HE TOUCHES THE BALL IF MASON IS ON THE FLOOR” horseshit is driving me nuts. If Evans is going to be the point guard of this team in the future, double teaming him is not a bad thing. If he makes the right decisions within the offense, and the ball movement is proper, the team should be able to get an open shot, regardless of Mason’s ability to put the ball in the hole from anything other than layup range.

Do me a favor, I’d still like to know who Mason is blocking that can both defend and shoot? Is it Omri? Because I’d have to say…we don’t really know whether he can do either of those things consistently at this level.

Have I mentioned lately that it was only one game?

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's only one game Otis?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought the season was done

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

Just one game. Otis is confused, but don’t let it get contagious or anything.

He lives in Bizarro World

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So they tell me

Over and over and over.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's been only one game

I think

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was three

Are you sure?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not entirely

Can we get help with this one? Anyone?

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mas a menos

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here is the thing

If you are going to ignore what I have to say in trying to explain my position and just dismiss it as based on something it isn’t then what is the point in continuing the discussion.

If you really want to just agree to disagree and not truly discuss this then cool. Whatever. I don’t need to change your mind or anything.

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Going to bed

I think snuggling with my wife sounds much more enjoyable that StR right now.

Good night.

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh duh?

Who in their right mind would choose a basketball blog over their wife?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not me

/whistling

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's usually not my choice to make

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by section214 on Oct 29, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You should frame this thread for Mrs 214 if you haven't already done so

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 30, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And, what do you think is going to change in the next few weeks?

Will Mason suddenly become a deadly outside shooter? Will Tyreke become a deadly shooter, and stop relying on penetration for his offense. Your idea to be patient is sensible only if there is the slightest chance that things will change.

The fact, as stang points out, is that the defense is slacking off Mason and clogging the lane on Tyreke. And, it’s not one regular season game, because it’s been going on all preseason too.

If your going to play someone with no offense because he’s athletic and can play some D, I’d rather play Donte. At least he’ll be here next year. /And, like Hawes & JT, he could use the experience and PT. I’m not saying start him, but I’d rather see him get Mason’s minutes.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 30, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

start casspi

he has good D and from what i saw yesterday, pretty good offense too…. he deserves to start, he will make a big difference

by silverguy on Oct 29, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

If were going to start Mason against Durant

we might as well start Donte. He’s just as athletic, doesn’t have a jumper, and could defend against Durant just as badly as Mason. And, Donte is going to be with us next year, and Mason may not make it past this January.

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by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

makes sense to me

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by Ice_9ine on Oct 29, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Starting Lineup and Rest of Game changes - NO MASON

C-Hawes
PF-JT
SF-Casspi
SG-Martin
PG-Evans

They play for 6 minutes. Sub out Hawes or JT (whoever has the most fouls) for May and sub out Evans for Udrih/Rodriguez . Play for 3 minutes (9 minutes total). Sub out Casspi for Nocioni, Udrih/Rodriguez for Evans and either JT or Spencer for Brockman. Play until the end of the quarter.

Start of second quarter sub out Martin, which moves Casspi to the SG and Nocioni stays in to play the SF, Brockman stays in to play PF and at center is either JT or Spencer depending who is in the most foul trouble. So your lineup looks like this:

C-Hawes/JT (played 6 or 9 minutes so far each)
PF-Brockman (played 3 minutes so far)
SF-Nocioni (played 3 minutes so far)
SG-Casspi (played 9 minutes so far)
PG-Evans (played 9 minutes so far)

Martin has played 12 minutes, May 6 minutes, Brockman 3 minutes and Sergio/Beno 3 minutes.

Play like this for 3 minutes. Sub out Casspi for Greene, JT/Spencer for JT/Spencer, Brockman for May and Evans for Sergio/Beno. Play like this for 3 minutes. We are halfway through the 2nd quarter. Sub out Greene for Martin and Sergio/Beno for Evans. Play like this for 3 minutes. Sub out Nocioni for Casspi, May for JT or Spencer and play the last 3 minutes with the starters in.

At halftime these are the minutes logged so far:
Hawes – 12 to 18 minutes
JT – 12 to 18 minutes
Martin – 18 minutes
Evans – 18 minutes
Casspi – 15 minutes
Nocioni – 12 minutes
May – 12 minutes
Sergio/Beno – 6 minutes
Brockman – 6 minutes
Greene – 3 minutes

Do the same thing in the second half except play JT and Spencer more minutes in the fourth depending on their foul trouble.

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by dalt99 on Oct 29, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Mason a fall guy for Tyreke's bad game

Tyreke just didn’t bring his A game, on offense or defense, and it didn’t matter if he was playing with Mason or not, so I think you are placing a lot of blame on Mason for no reason. Bottom line: Westbrook made Tyreke look like a child, and he set the table for Green and Durant when the other Kings players switched to help out.

I agree Casspi should play more, perhaps even start, but Mason will be in the rotation. Get used to it, and hopefully you’ll be able to applaud him when he makes some stops. It takes more than one guy to play defense, though.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

No one has mentioned this

And I think I will research it before I go to sleep, but Durant shot 10-24. I’d be interested to see how many of those baskets came with Mason defending him.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you really dig

You’ll find at least a couple of times when Mason was leaving Durant to pick up Westbrook, and Westbrook kicked it back outside. Not a great choice: give up a Westbrook incontested layup or an open Durant jumper.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I could rewatch the game and may actually CC

Your point is exactly what I’m getting at. Mason didn’t necessarily break down that much, but helping his teammates forced breakdown’s elsewhere.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The other things that hurt

early on were turnovers, quick shots and one and dones that turned into easy hoops going the other way. The Thunder also did a good job of making the extra pass to the open guy spotting up, and Green and Durant in particular were hitting those shots. And Mason wasn’t covering “Kareem” Krstic, either.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quite honestly CC

I’m not sure if the Kings offense or defense was worse vs OKC. It was really hard to tell.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

good points

that first quarter was a team effort. I wouldn’t put it on Mason, Tyreke, Martin … take your pick. It just wasn’t pretty.

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And it snowballed pretty quickly

Westphal could have called some timeouts sooner, but didn’t. We’ll see what he and everyone else learned from this one going forward.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Curious as to exactly what calling a timeout would have done?

He did call TO’s, but I’m not sure they made much of a difference with the way the team was shooting and/or performed in the 1st qtr last night.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I may be wrong

But I don’t think he called timeout until it was like 20-10. Calling one a little earlier might have helped settle Tyreke and the rest of the gang down a bit.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Well CC this is a bit of game theory we're discussing here

I’ve never been convinced that a TO does much other than give guys a rest. Or, maybe give them a chance to hear what the coach has to say. Stopping runs more or less comes from (in my view) from players recognizing what it takes to be successful against a given opponent on both ends. Sometimes players (as we both know) lose sight of that.

I’m always of the mindset to let them play through it, but that’s me. I might be wrong and I might be right. As you might be as well. It’s hard to say. I want to see at least half a season of games before I really judge how PW uses his timeout’s.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

good points

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't be sarcastic with me boy

Tell me how you really feel. :P

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by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well CC this is a bit of game theory we're discussing here

I’ve never been convinced that a TO does much other than give guys a rest. Or, maybe give them a chance to hear what the coach has to say. Stopping runs more or less comes from (in my view) from players recognizing what it takes to be successful against a given opponent on both ends. Sometimes players (as we both know) lose sight of that.

I’m always of the mindset to let them play through it, but that’s me. I might be wrong and I might be right. As you might be as well. It’s hard to say. I want to see at least half a season of games before I really judge how PW uses his timeout’s.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

you make no fucking sense

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This shit cracks me up everytime

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, me too

and I can’t stop

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do your knuckles and back crack simultaneously?

Or do they crack to the Sound of Music or something?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not I!

How dare you commit such blasphemy!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Back to Casspi

It sure is nice to have a bright spot to talk about for a change … even … if … it’s … only … one … game.

What will he say during his Hall of Fame acceptance speech?

Jerry’s going to need some help coming up with a nickname.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Bomb-ri

Whether he’s hitting a 3 ball or not.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 30, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"What will he say during his Hall of Fame acceptance speech?"

Well, he won’t be thanking Jesus, that’s for sure.

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by section214 on Oct 30, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

You never know

http://www.jews-for-jesus.org/

by BrooklynFan on Oct 30, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You mean his youth team coach, Jesus Rosenburg?

Why wouldn’t he thank him?

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by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 30, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Casspian Prince

I’ve seen Casspi referred to as The Casspian Prince. Prince does have a nice ring to it. In a Fanhouse video Donte Greene said they were calling him Cassidy after the rapper.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 30, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's all about the Valley girl voice for me:

Oh-Mri-god!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 30, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs