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Thunder 102, Kings 89 - On Your Mark, Get Set, D'oh!

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Nenad Krstic (left) drives on Spencer Hawes (right) during the Thunder's 102-89 victory. Krstic had 71 points, 43 rebounds, 7 blocked shots, and personally took the entrie crowd out and bought them Chalupas after the game.


Proving once and for all that Sactown Royalty is indeed a democracy, this morning you get to create your own game recap. Just choose one of the handy options provided, and feel as good or as bad as you want about last night's game. Pencils ready? And go...

Star-divide

I can’t lie. Last night’s 102-89 loss to the Thunder made me very (mad/excited/sleepy). I know that the Kings are a work in progress(?), but I had no idea that they would be so (infuriating/fun to watch /alcohol inducing). Let’s face it. There are games that you (expect/hope/never dream) you’ll win, and this was one of them. 81 more of these and I’ll be ready for (post season/the draft/therapy).

Kevin Martin was (incredible/a ball hog/not injured) in the 1st half, accounting for over 50% of the Kings offense when you include his points and assists. His true shooting percentage of 71% was (insane/overrated/too complicated for me to understand). Martin tailed off in the 2nd half, however, and by the end of the game he needed (help from his teammates/rest/to be traded).

Up front, the Kings were just (young/thin/horrible). Nenad Krstic and Jeff Green looked like (all stars/lucky bastards/all stars) against the Kings front line. Jason Thompson couldn’t stop (fouling/anyone/everyone by himself), Sean May provided (no rebounds/a grim reminder of our current situation up front/hope for the future), while Spencer Hawes brought (passion/punch lines/height) from off the bench. Jon Brockman also got in a few minutes. What Brockman lacks in (height/minutes/talent), he more than makes up for with (heart/hustle/the company he keeps). One thing was proven: all of this talk about getting another big man is (justified/crazy talk/making my head hurt real bad, Wendy).

Tyreke Evans is (so young/so talented/so confused) right now. He had an off night, missing 11 of 16 shots and turning the ball over 3 times while delivering 2 assists. He missed (a few/several/an unholy number of) shots at the rim, but that can be attributed to (rookie jitters/the Thunder defense/Beno Udrih’s Tyreke Evans voodoo doll). I’m sure that within a couple of weeks, Evans will have us (up and cheering him/calling for Geoff Petrie’s resignation/concocting trades for the rights to Ricky Rubio).

Omri Casspi was a (bright point/surprise/one-man sleep deprivation tank for Israel). His 15 points on 9 shots in 19 minutes proved that he is (ready to start/an NBA player/a chucker). Too bad he’s (stuck behind Desmond Mason/so young/Jewish), because I would like to see him play (more/less/somewhere else).

Speaking of Mason, it’s time to call the Desmond Mason project a huge (success/failure/effing mystery). Sure, the casual fan may think that he (shines/sucks/has compromising photos of Paul Westphal), but the true and knowledgeable fan knows that he (shine/sucks/has photos of Paul Westphal). Let’s cut Mason (some slack/loose/at the back of his Achilles tendon), OK?

I sure liked that the team (played hard/ran up and down the court in the right direction/didn’t get hurt). This makes me feel (good/bad/postal) when I think about the rest of this (short/long/loooooooooong) season.

And does anyone know when Ziller is coming back? No offense, but I find section214’s posts to be (a breath of fresh air/tripe/perfect for the bottom of my bird cage). Compared to him, I’m (Sam Amick/Exhibit G/Ailene Voisin). Tom, if you’re out there and reading this, please (hurry back/stay away/provide me with section’s home address).

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Krstic is not driving on Hawes un the image….Unless he smokes weed, drinks a ton, and has grown a full beard?

by Slikk_J on Oct 29, 2009 8:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently

Slikk was ok that Kristic reminds him of Dwight Howard, it was Hawes not looking like B52 he noticed, lol.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too much reality TV

no subtlety in these kids, no developed sense of humor.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahaha

I better clear this up! I knew this isn’t Krstic….I was using sarcasm too….I feel ya Sec.214

by Slikk_J on Oct 29, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

crap after sleeping through the whole game

the whole day actually, I woke up this morning clicked on StR looked at the image and thought I had either, a) had a stroke during the night b) woke up in a parallel universe c) died and woke up in hell.

You can’t do this to us early in the morning Section, you just can’t.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 29, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It took me a little bit to get it too. Would have been easier with Hawes as the Kings player, however, I really like the style of the post! It’s kind of like Mad Libs.

by BucksForever on Oct 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully God gave man the ability to make Tequila...

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Oct 29, 2009 8:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I had to look at other NBA boxscores last night to make me feel good about the Kings.

God help the Kings.

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Oct 29, 2009 8:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too

Thank God we’re not Bobcats fans

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by vfettke on Oct 29, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post.

My game summary: UGH.

by Carl on Oct 29, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty bad...

Either the Kings are worse than I expected (almost assuredly) or the Thunder are a hell of a lot better. They got all the loose balls and they hit their open shots…not to mention when we drove we tried to shoot and got blocked whereas they passed for nice assists. Russell Westbrook destroyed us. JT not playing at all in the first half didn’t help either…
I’m ready for a redo. Game 2 here we come!

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Oct 29, 2009 8:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious game summary

Very well done.

From reading the thread last night (wasn’t able to watch the game down here in LA), I started to get concerned that maybe Havoc WON’T pan out. Just my own first game jitters, I’m sure.

But damn, Bomri read well on the thread.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Oct 29, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Love the post

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Oct 29, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Might I add

Section, if I’m pegged somewhere between Amick and Voisin, that’s something I can live with.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Oct 29, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

my take

I can’t lie. Last night’s 102-89 loss to the Thunder made me very (mad). I know that the Kings are a work in progress(?), but I had no idea that they would be so (alcohol inducing). Let’s face it. There are games that you (never dream) you’ll win, and this was one of them. 81 more of these and I’ll be ready for (post season/the draft/therapy).

Kevin Martin was (not injured) in the 1st half, accounting for over 50% of the Kings offense when you include his points and assists. His true shooting percentage of 71% was (too complicated for me to understand). Martin tailed off in the 2nd half, however, and by the end of the game he needed (help from his teammates).

Up front, the Kings were just (young and thin and horrible). Nenad Krstic and Jeff Green looked like (all stars and more all stars) against the Kings front line. Jason Thompson couldn’t stop (everyone by himself), Sean May provided (a grim reminder of our current situation up front), while Spencer Hawes brought (punch lines) from off the bench. Jon Brockman also got in a few minutes. What Brockman lacks in (minutes), he more than makes up for with (the company he keeps). One thing was proven: all of this talk about getting another big man is (making my head hurt real bad, Wendy).

Tyreke Evans is (so confused) right now. He had an off night, missing 11 of 16 shots and turning the ball over 3 times while delivering 2 assists. He missed (an unholy number of) shots at the rim, but that can be attributed to (Beno Udrih’s Tyreke Evans voodoo doll). I’m sure that within a couple of weeks, Evans will have us (up and cheering him).

Omri Casspi was a (bright point). His 15 points on 9 shots in 19 minutes proved that he is (ready to start). Too bad he’s (stuck behind Desmond Mason), because I would like to see him play (more).

Speaking of Mason, it’s time to call the Desmond Mason project a huge (effing mystery). Sure, the casual fan may think that he (shhas compromising photos of Paul Westphal), but the true and knowledgeable fan knows that he (sucks). Let’s cut Mason (loose), OK?

I sure liked that the team (ran up and down the court in the right direction and didn’t get hurt). This makes me feel (good) when I think about the rest of this (loooooooooong) season.

And does anyone know when Ziller is coming back? No offense, but I find section214’s posts to be (perfect for the bottom of my bird cage). Compared to him, I’m (Desmond Mason). Tom, if you’re out there and reading this, please (hurry back).

by TheFifthMookie on Oct 29, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty funny stuff

And after watching that fiasco last night, I needed a laugh.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

I’m sort of glad I didn’t have to watch it. From everything I’ve read and seen, this was not the same Kings team that played hard in the preseason. Was it first game of the season jitters? Thunder just rock it cause of opening night? Whatever the case, I won’t be worried until this happens more often. Looking at the box score (Again I wasn’t able to watch the game)

Martin: 5-19. He’s not going to be 5-19 much this year. 14-14 is better. 4 rebounds, 4 assists:1 turnover and 3 steals is much better. Martin should be an All-Star, but it says something bad to me about our ball movement when Kevin is our leader in assists.

Evans: Bad night offensively, and apparently defensively. I’m racking it up to first game jitters. This would be his worst game in a Kings uniform if we counted pre-season games. We know he can do much MUCH better. Not duly worried. Everyone sucked on defense tonight.

May: Get back to the bench.

Thompson: Solid, but you can do better. Unfortunately Jeff Green gives you problems, always has and likely always will.

Mason: If you’re going to start, never ever ever ever shoot the ball. Please.

Hawes: Get back to the starting lineup, but grow a pair as well.

Noc: Meh you can do better. Good on the boards though.

Casspi: 0-1 from long range. Unforgiveable. But 15 points, 3 boards, 1 steal, 1 block on 7-9 shooting? All in 19 minutes? Successful debut for the Zohan. I think we’ve found our new 6th man if Mason continues his masquerade as a starter (something I’m actually for as a means of masking his poor offense and providing a spark off the bench in Omri)

Sergio: Sort of glad you beat out Beno, too bad nobody could hit a shot tonight.

Bron Jockman: ONE BOARD? What is this nonsense. Looks like he played solid though.

Donte Greene: Ineffective in limited time.

Beno Udrih: DNP – Coach’s Decision (Really like that line from the box score actually)

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I've seen pictures.

I don’t think Mancakes is capable of being anything less than solid.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Oct 29, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets face it

Everyone was ineffective except Martin until he was worn down (they essentally stopped guarding anyone else) and Casspi when the game was all but over (so keep that in mind).
KM will be dead by X-Mas if he has to take that much contact all year.
Don’t take that as a hit on Casspi, he has a lightening quick and so far accurate release and a desire to play good defense.

When the coaches say ‘help defense’ they DON’T mean turn away from your guy in the paint so he can receive an easy pass and make a layup.
How ‘bought just a box-out? No matter what the box score looked like afterwards those were not dominant interior guys you want to double. Too much running/reacting towards the ball and away from your D assignment in the paint. Easy buckets.
[Box out and get some freakin’ rebounds May! I know you can.]
NOTE: This will be especially important tomorrow night when facing all those jumpshooters in NOrl.
It is imperitive that they get another shooter on the floor in the starting line-up to spread the floor. Noce, Casspi, both should be tried. We’re just too damn small. You can’t be small And not be able to spread the floor.
Okl ran some great picks to free shooters last night. I’d like to see a few on our side, Thats change I can believe in.
Waaaay too stagnant in the half court, way too much standing around waiting for KM or Reke to create. How ‘bout some (a lot more) crosses by the guards or forwards to confuse the D and free up some lanes/open shots? Not to mention the aforementioned picks leading to pops or rolls (now I’m a little hungry).
JT: Get over your (my perceived I admit) anger that Casspi is better than your buddy Donte’ right now. Thats the way it is, its about the team, work on some plays with the guy. He’s a lightening quick shooter and you’re a post player, you can do great things.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's not too much to ask

How did you perceived JT is angry with Casspi for being better than Donte?

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm projecting a lot

from when Casspi got JT the ball in the post, Jt got fouled going up for a good shot – and yet he turned and shouted at Casspi. Maybe casspi was supposed to cut to the hole for an easy layup or something, I don’t know.
I’m sure JT has to be feeling something as he and Donte’ are buddies – but I’m sorry I said it that way.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just trying to learn something that maybe I missed

JT was actually applauded by some for taking on a leadership role and telling Casspi where to be on the floor. I believe he was not giving JT enough space to operate or giving him the option (with some spacing) to pass the ball. I don’t think it was a big deal.

One thing I did noticed yesterday (and today after reading the Bee) , and I’m sure I’m going to get killed for this but Casspi is gonna have to adjust his attitude a bit.

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not ready to kill you

But I am curious to hear you explain your claim re: Casspi’s attitude.

by BrooklynFan on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said - I read too much into a moment and shouldn't have said it

I claim the effects of the Swine flu

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, that wasn't to me

( I told you, sick and foggy)

I’d like to hear the negative Ed is getting on Casspi as well. I didn’t catch it. It looks to me like he’s out there trying to talk when he plays, a good thing. The older players may think a rookie shouldn’t – but we need all the communicating out there we can get. Once they sort out what each other are thinking out there there won’t be as much need to talk.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you have the swine flu?

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 29, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully I can explain myself

in a way that others can understand where I’m coming from.

I believe it was the last play in the half, or first quarter, when May shot a 3. Omri was standing in the corner and his defender rotated leaving him wide open. Clock was running down so May shot it. While walking back to the bench Omri had his arms up, dissapointed he didn’t get the ball, but the way he was expressing it, his body language, reminded me too much of a whiny player who didn’t get his. Make sure everyone gets this please: I’m in no way saying he is a whiny or selfish player, not saying that at all. It’s just that in that particular situation I saw something I didn’t like. He also had a couple other times (like when JT told him were to be on the court) that I noticed his competitiveness got the best of him.

Now today on paper, he has this quotes

We need to find a solution, because we just can’t play like this. If we’re going to look like this, we’re going to lose a lot of games this season.
if we’re not going to take every game serious – no matter who we play, Cleveland, Oklahoma – we just need to take every game serious because I don’t like to lose."

The first quote reminded me of Bobby Jackson last year. The difference is that B-Jax was a veteran calling out his young squad. I like that Casspi asks for better effort but that’s just not the way things work when you are a rookie. Like it or not, fair or not, that is how it always has been. Again, being so competitive is a great trait to have if it’s channeled in a way that others can relate and rub off you. What do you think other players (and thank God we don’t have huge egos on this team) in the NBA would think if a rookie after his first game comes out and says “we gotta play better because I don’t like to lose”?

Please do not take this as me bashing Casspi, because I think what he brings to the table with his fire and ‘no back down’ attitude is great and will help the team in the long run. I’m just afraid that the way he expresses it may hurt the chemistry with his teammates. He needs to learn to take things easy and understanding the situation while keep giving his best on the court.

I think with Casspi is all about personality and how he is going to adapt to life here in the states and how he’s going to mesh with his teammates. We know he has game, it’s the ultra competitiveness on a bad team I’m worried (just a little bit) about.

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Casspi is a never lose kinda guy

He’s not going to take this year too well. We’re going to see those quotes repeatedly I suspect.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To hell with being a 'just a rookie'

we need on court leaders and no one on this team except KM has any real seniority.
Casspi probably knew that we need to spread the floor to be effective (I’ve said that too many times today but – ) inside. He was probably correct on the play call considering May’s underwhelming performance last night.
I think May was pulled after that play By the way.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he's wrong

it’s just that the way he expresses his frustrations may bring some problems this year. Waving your hands and assigning blame (with the way you act) to a teammate in your first pro game in this league is not what I want to see. It’s not a big deal because it’s only one time but it could become an issue if it keeps happening in the future.

And you can say “the hell with being just a rookie” all you want, but you know as well as I do how this league operates. Rookies need to come in and earn their way, and Casspi is doing exactly that no doubt, but after only one game, the first game with a new coach and the first real game these young player have together, I don’t think he has the right to say much. That’s just my opinion

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the things that DX mentioned in their writeup of him

Was that he has a big ego and thinks he’s a bigger star than he is. That is, still, my biggest concern with him.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't help honestly

He can read something in Hebrew and read he’s a star. Here he is a role player, and rightfully so.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is

We have one sometimes star and 11 role players. Hard to get down on a rookie who sees the situation for what it is and still plays hard.

Someone else besides Kevin needs to step up — actually a lot of players do — and I hope Casspi continues to act and hopefully play like a star.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

Where is this talk of ’He’s the starting SF by Jan’ if he does act like a leader early and often?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is he only a role player?

Because he was not a lottery-pick? I’m not saying he is is is not a star. It’s way too early to tell. but, I’m not going to assume his ceiling is simply that of a role player. Nobody can say with certainty yet how good he can be.

And last night, he was the Kings’ second best player. He should be the SF right now…f waiting until January! You’re telling Desmond Mason should go ahead of Casspri? Not after last night’s game.

"We ain't in the takin' prisoners business. We in the killin' Nazi's business...and Cousin, business is a-boomin'."

by PhutureKings on Oct 29, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

^*he is or is not*

"We ain't in the takin' prisoners business. We in the killin' Nazi's business...and Cousin, business is a-boomin'."

by PhutureKings on Oct 29, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

What does Mason bring to the table that Casspi doesn’t? The only thing I can think of is experience, which clearly isn’t helping Mason much.

And, yes, Casspi COULD be a star. So far he is on this roster?

Peja-vu!

by CDinSD on Oct 29, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never read that

but I’m not surprised. That’s the vibe I’ve been getting from him too.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy we have him and he looks like he could be a steal but I do worry just a bit about adapting to the league and this team

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he's going to recognize that losses happen

Whether he accepts it or not, I do not know.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accepting losses

We have a whole roster that has grown used to doing that, including the team’s de facto leader. Changing that culture is probably Westphal’s biggest challenge.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Joakim Noah have a similar problem

during his first season in Chicago?
If I remember correctly, the response was “Joakim speaks truth but it should have come from a vet not a rookie.”

Casspi is in the difficult position of not being a real rookie, i.e. he has three, four years of professional experience. I wonder if he is more akin to college players who go play over seas then get picked up later in their careers, I wonder if said players get treated differently in their first year than kids right out of college.

by BrooklynFan on Oct 29, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree

Casspi’s a rookie regardless of whether he views it that way or not. Playing pro in Europe may have prepared him in some ways for the NBA better than college ever could, but really the players who succeed are the players who can adapt and react quickly once at the NBA level.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although thus far he seems to be adapting rather well

He certainly is no star but he is contributing, granted he is contributing on a cellar dwelling team. But that is beside my point which is an attempt to separate what Casspi thinks of himself and how he is regarded amongst coaches and peers. In any profession it is a real rarity to see a college kid jump right in and command the respect designated for veterans while there is a general level of respect that seasoned professionals garner because of their maturity regardless of the variation in their professional background that inspired their growth. So my question is has his experience resulted in a maturity that garners enough respect from his veteran teammates that he is exempt from some of the rookie duties? Do the rookies and sophomores feel drawn to his experiences as a source for motivation and wisdom? I don’t know. But I do wonder. I do not, however, think that the pressure that comes along with being the great Israeli hope is entirely beneficial. While it may inspire him to try harder and push his teammates to be better it also probably gives him an over inflated sense of responsibility for success that goes beyond the scope of the Kings franchise.

by BrooklynFan on Oct 29, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Players need to say more

You have a team of mostly rookies. We need everybody to step up and push to do better. I don’t think that Omri is going to have a problem with his team mates for speaking out as long as he speaks the truth. He did that.

by MustangMBS on Oct 29, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since that's your opinion I'm not going to take that it into account

Do you like being called out? If you said yes, you’re a true masochist.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if in his mind

Casspi actually thinks of himself as a rookie.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 29, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Casspi's own mind, he's not a rookie

so it’s probably tough for him. But, I do see where you’re coming from. He’s right to be upset that May shot that 3 instead of making the pass. Sean May shouldn’t be shooting three pointers.

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by vfettke on Oct 29, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sean May

should be playing about 10 minutes a game, tops.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry v

I posted before I scrolled down and saw yours. Looks like we’re thinking the same thing. Now I wonder if we’re right?

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Oct 29, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My response is if the shoe fits....

I got no problem with someone who calls out teammates as long as they are speaking the truth and looking out for the good of the team. Larry Bird got Wicks released in the pre season of his Rookie year if I remember right. Not saying OC is LB.

by ElRonToro on Oct 29, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not rush to judgment...

I don’t like all these “Casspi is a role player” or “Casspi is not a star” phrases being thrown around. How the Hell do you guys know? We don’t know much about his game outside of lat night’s mash-up, in which he was the Kings’ second best player. When he was in the game, the team was more in the game, period. We don’t know his ceiling…the guy could be an all-star or he could turn out to be a bench-rider.

Also, let’s not invest too much stock in reading Casspi quotes, because a) we can’t tell the tone in which they were delivered, and b) English is not his first language, and c) he is not from the U.S. All of these factors make it nonsensical to take away a literal translation of what he was trying to say. And, even read in the most negative light, here’s what the guy was saying: WE (not excluding himself) didn’t play well. WE need to play better. I (not speaking for anyone else) don’t like losing.

Good. Rookie or not, the guy spoke the truth and didn’t make excuses like everyone else. He should be applauded, not told to shut up.

And he should be the starting SF, because Mason or Noc didn’t bring what Casspi brought last night.

"We ain't in the takin' prisoners business. We in the killin' Nazi's business...and Cousin, business is a-boomin'."

by PhutureKings on Oct 29, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm with you 100% Ed

and I love me some Casspi. I think it’s funny that you’re so worried about spitting on the golden Omri idol in the StR lobby. Most of us are reasonable people and wouldn’t “kill you” for having a reasonable concern about the object of our affection.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 29, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy cow
Please, please, don’t crap on the one flower in a bed of weeds.

Rec’d for sanity and sigworthiness.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concur - so rec him like I did!

classic

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let it be green!

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly don't think anyone is questioning Casspi as a player

but the quotes that Ed cited from the Bee, I read those too and had the same nervous feeling, like Omri could quickly become alienated from his teammates if he doesn’t learn to temper his intensity and competitiveness with just a tiny tiny sprinkle of perspective and humility.

My hope, and my honest sense, is that Coach Westphal has enough experience and natural people skills to recognize potential problems like this quickly and to address them appropriately. I think he’s someone who all of the players will respect and listen to.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 29, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a yahoo article

JT talking about Casspi at the end

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice article

JT seems to be buddies with every body. I think he comes out of this season as the team’s leader. He was definitely showing it last night

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Oct 29, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

That’s why I was surprised with lttg’s comment

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I apologise!

I said i probably read to much into and wanted it back!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's been my impression as well vfettke (that JT gets along with everybody)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

offensive offense

Because the first quarter started out so badly, I realize that people are – rightly perhaps – going to want to point out defense. And since their front line scored such a high percentage of their points, it might be easy to talk about interior defense. But it wasn’t really the inside where the Kings were getting beat. Sure, Vlade’s vocal clone ate May for lunch early but beyond that it was Green and Durant killing us on the outside. This was the case partly because of poor rotations and partly because they were just shooting lights freakin’ out! The Thunder scored 40 in the first quarter, which means they averaged about 20/qtr afterwards. With this Kings squad, I’ll gladly take 20 per quarter.

However, at least equally odious was the offense. It looked like a glorified pick up game last night. The spacing was embarrassingly bad, which begs the questions of why in the hell would you start Mason when your point guard can’t shoot a lick and needs open lanes and your starting Center (May) and PF’s range is the FT line? You can’t spread the floor when Tyreke, Desmond, May, and JT are your starters. And Tyreke needs the floor spread to be his most effective. While his jump shot is nauseating, dude can get to the basket ANY time he wants. And once he figures out that he doesn’t need to finish every drive but can dish or take the easy, short shot the game is going to really come to him.

I’m hoping that last night ended the starting Sean May experiment and the Sergio as 2nd string PG experiment. Spencer needs and should start. His shot was off last night, but his defense was much better than May’s, and he blocked and altered shots. He’s still rushing shots, but he’s just a better fit with the starting unit. Regarding Sergio, yes, he can pass and dribble, but this team needs outside shooting and, love him or hate him, Beno is a more skilled shooter and offensive player than Sergio.

Finally, you gotta love the Israeli sharp shooter! He was easily the best thing about the Kings last night.

by Kusian on Oct 29, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

20 pts in the paint 1st quarter

that was enough.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugly

The first quarter was a disaster. BTW, I just read your earlier, long post. Nice. And I think you and I are seeing the same thing about the need for another outside shooter in the starting line-up. Mason and Tyreke just won’t work. Their shooting is terrible. Sure, Kevin’s shot sucked last night as well, but at least he always finds way to score efficiently. So, yes, Casspi and Noce have to be tried. They just make more sense for the first unit.

by Kusian on Oct 29, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I oftern state

teams should avoid duplicating weaknesses. Only one non-shooter should be on the floor at any given time. We started the game with 3, Evans and Mason and Thompson (I know Thompson can score, and has an ok mid-range jumper , but I would never call him a shooter at this point).
If Mason is on the floor with Evans or Thompson, then the other 3 ned to be good shooters.

by ElRonToro on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mostly agree

But how is having Tyreke, a guy that penetrates and finishes at the rim or dishs, any different than having Sergio at the PG.

Yes, once we were down, by 20, Beno’s shooting might have been handy. But, as it has been pointed out, our offense was stagnant. Too much standing around and waiting for Martin or Tyreke to score. Having a playmaker that gets others involve, was better than the 8 or 10 pts that Beno is going to put up. And, we still have no movement.

Having JT & Noc, trying to guard Green, and Mason on Durant is a no win situation for us. They’re just to quick, and when we backed off to try and stop penetration, they made their outside shots. Give OKC credit. There starting 5 is more talented then the 5 we started, both offensively & defensively. And, other than Omri, neither team got any help off the bench.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio

From what I’ve seen of Sergio, (which is admittedly little), he doesn’t finish at the rim all that well. My estimate with him is that he is quick enough and has the handles to get there but is small and doesn’t have great hops. And from what little I’ve seen, he doesn’t appear to have a consistent jumper. His strength is passing. Beno can get to the basket area and finish with the short floater and his outside shooting is superior. I think that he brings something different than Tyreke and Sergio, which is some proven outside shooting abilities that this line-up well desparately need as we shall all soon see – if we couldn’t last night. And, frankly, he couldn’t play any worse defense than Sergio or Tyreke did last night. Tyreke, I suspect, will turn into a good defender, but he got destroyed last night, which in turn made our interior defense even worse than it naturally is.

by Kusian on Oct 29, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't disagree with anything you said

I’d just rather have Sergio with his 1 for 3 and 3 assists in 13mpg than Beno, and his 4 for 6 shooting and no assists.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beno will at least

TRY and play some D. Whatever you think of the result.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

Friday will be completely different, Kings fans. Teams tend to respond after embarrassing efforts. I predict we come out with fire, fast breaks and energy.

I totally agree on Mason on all counts: effing mystery, sucks, time to cut loose. I never understood his starting nod. When you have a teammate who can barely hit the back board from 18 feet away, never mind the rim, or the unthinkable of going through the rim, confidence is not exactly inspired up and down the roster.

I do support PW decision to start May over Hawes. He needs to light a fire under Spencer. Hawes will eventually be the starter, but make him earn it. Spencer needs to know every minute he is out there, he has to battle for position in the paint, help around the basket with rebounds and contests. He’s not doing that. First half was pathetic. He was playing like he took a pre-game muscle relaxant. He needed 5 Hour Energy with a Red Bull chaser.

by bench_blob on Oct 29, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I keep thinking

you guys project every bad post up of the other team onto Spencer.

The guys getting destroyed in the first half in the post were Nocioni and May.

Now, Spencer looks completely hesitant and lost on offense right now, and I’m not saying he was good on defense or anything last night, they all sucked, but the people that were complete embarrassments being posted up were May and Nocioni.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we list players from Bad to Good last night

Spence would be in the top half of a very bad list

by ElRonToro on Oct 29, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

even I wasn't sure what I meant

list goes good on top bad on the bottom…just like orgies

by ElRonToro on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think too many people are looking at the box score

and comparing Center to Center. Krstic got 20 pts so Hawes played poor D. But, the fact is, Krstic got 10 of his 1st half points while Hawes was on the bench. Krstic got one basket, after Hawes left him to stop penetration along the baseline, and Krstic cut to the rim for an easy layup. That an a layup in the 2nd half were the only points Hawes gave up to any of their centers.

Collison got 2 FT’s off a JT foul. And, Thomas got one put back on an offensive rebound. Hawes had position, but Thomas put a shoulder into his back and pushed him under the basket, to get the rebound. And, Hawes still almost got back to block the shot.

I can only guess that some people believe that it’s the Centers job to defend his own man & to defend the man of whoever gets beat by theirs. Maybe, there are some quicker & more athletic Centers who can do that, but that’s not Hawes game. At some point, people are going to have to learn to play man D, and stop relying on Spencer to save their beacon.

Offensively, Spencer isn’t sharp yet, and needs more minutes and someone to give him the ball. He took on 3pt shot in the 1st half, when he’s man left him to double the ball. And, he missed it long. He took his other 3pt shot, with 1 minute left in the game, when we needed 3’s to make up a 15 pt deficit. His low post game looked good in the 4th when he started to get the ball in good position thanks to Sergio.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few reactions

Defensively we have problems. Help is coming at the wrong times and often in the wrong spot, if at all. Reke kept going under screens as Westbrook kept making shot after shot. Besides that, he is horrible at getting through screens, he just gets hung up on them too long. That is a general liability for big guards, but he is very slow given that. That creates all sorts of problems defensively especially considering that are bigs are prone to foul and are not particularly good defenders anyway. Poor individual defense is magnified by poor team defense. Yikes. I think that Reke looked lazy on screen defense—I hope he watches the tape and sees that too.

I really didn’t see the toughness and tenacity I was hoping to see from our revised squad. And I assume that at some point we will have to put a bandaid on the gaping chest wound that is our frontcourt. I want to see more JT and Spencer. Less Mason, less May. Noc and Casspi played well—defended decently. I look forward to some improvement Friday.

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the more insightful posts I've read so far.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, very enjoyable post

In regards to comments on the game I am unfortunately limited to what I see in the boxscore since LP here in NY malfunctioned last night. SO I have more questions than conclusive observations that I hope some of you will comment on:

1) How do the Kings only get 12 FGAs from three of their starters? Is this what is going to happen when Reke struggles to create?

2) Do we get to stop qualifying Bomri’s good play with “it’s only preseason” now?
Looks like he played hard and efficiently.

3) Who played shooting guard with the second squad? I.e. who played the 7 minutes Kevin sat?

and

4) Was there ever an effective squad on the court last night? Who was on the floor in the 4th? Or does the boxscore simply reflect the garbage time effect?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

by BrooklynFan on Oct 29, 2009 9:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

(1) We were taking the ball out of the net the entire first half. So no easy buckets in transition. Our half-court was not generating much besides K-Mart getting to the line. The passing in the half court offense was not getting good looks.

(2) Bombri played with ton of confidence. His shot looks great, even on the misses. He played with more energy than anyone.

(3) When Sergio was out there, K-Mart or Tyreke played the ‘2’.

(4) It took until the 4th quarter for team to wake up a little. Seemed like unit of Omri, Brockman, JT, K-Mart and Hawes got a few things going. But way too little, way too late.

It was just a bad night all around. The energy level was not where it needed to be to compete. I chalk it up to opening game jitters for Tyreke, and two starters (Mason and May) not really capable of being starters. Friday has to get better.

by bench_blob on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

The Kings may be stuck in the preseason, but section214 is already in postseason form.

Admit it. You’ve been working out with David Thorpe.

by nbrans on Oct 29, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions   4 recs

I think you forgot

Isn’t it wonderful that K9 (woof!) finally has some company down there at the end of the bench? He can show Beno the ropes.

“Hey, here’s how you find a fresh towel.”
or
“Now you don’t even have to stand up, since the new rules don’t let us. Yep, just lounging, getting paid millions. Pass me a Gatorade.”

by DirtyDribblers on Oct 29, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It was all about a lack of good teamwork last night

a lack of trust.

Great post yet again 214!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't cry

But it was not pretty.

Evans got smoked. Badly. Couldn’t finish at the rim, and looked like a chucker, even though I know he’s not.

Hawes came in trying to prove he should start, and instead reinforced why he doesn’t. He tries to do too much, and if he doesn’t either give up on that hook shot down low or start making it, I’m gonna throw something through my TV.

The refs were terrible last night. It’s like they decided that KMart should only get so many freethrows, no matter how hard he got hit while driving or shooting.

JT will put up gret numbers as soon as he figures out how to stay on the floor.

On the maximally-ineffective list, we find May, Mason, Sergio and Greene, with May the only one who looked like he might work his way off the list eventually.

Why didn’t Brockman get more minutes? Especially in the “Hey, OKC, we’ll spot you 12 minutes of freedom in the paint!” first quarter.

Noc was decent but didn’t show more than Casspi.

Omri, KMart and JT were the only three out there who seemed to know how to score, and all three (yes, even KMart) played decent D.

I hope Westphal showed game film on the plane. They didn’t need to nap, they slept through the game.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on the foul deal. It was like “Well, Martin got his quota of free throws in the first half.” Most egregious was that steal under the basket hack.

Still can’t believe the “none of us saw it” jump ball on that out of bounds in the second half.

by DirtyDribblers on Oct 29, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too true

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you look like your begging for calls, your probably not going to get them

Martin got in a bad habit last year when he was injured, throwing the ball up eveytime anyone touched him and hoping for the call. When he was healthy, he really was working to set up a shot. Drive into the paint and get fouled putting up a short jumper or going to the rim.

Refs aren’t going to give him FT, unless he actually is working for his shot. And, everytime he gets bumped and throws up a wild shot, the refs are less likely to give him the next real foul. No one wants to feel like their being used, even Refs.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I also thought Jeff Green got away with a bunch of hooks on offense when he was posting up Nocioni. The announcers for the Thunder loved it when he dunked..but it was highly ilegal.

p.s. LeaguePass – Were you the one that recomended the sac bee classified for tickets? I got them from that guy. Cheap and very good seats. Thanks a ton

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by lodisacfan on Oct 29, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think May should start over Hawes...

May is not a better player and Hawes is the incumbent C. Hawes is the best C on the team, so…HELLO! Start him.

Based on last night’s performance, I’d like to see the starting lineup as Sergio, KM, Casspi, JT & Hawes. Wait about 3-4 weeks and then start Evans.

"We ain't in the takin' prisoners business. We in the killin' Nazi's business...and Cousin, business is a-boomin'."

by PhutureKings on Oct 29, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

Hawes not starting is not a sign that he’s not the best C on the team. It’s a wake up call to Hawes that he is not entitled to anything on this team. He needs to earn it. I like him being forced to earn his PT.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Oct 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hawes is coming off the bench, for the reason PW stated

We need height. & JT gets into foul trouble early.

May started by came out 5 minutes into the game. JT left 1minute & 20secs. later in foul trouble. Leaving Hawes at center and Noc at PF. If Hawes had started, he would have had to play the entire 1st quarter, or we would have had to have a front line of May, Noc, & Mason. Not the best lineup to go against Durant, Green & Krstic.

May start but came out after 5 minutes, He also started the 2nd half and came out after 2 minutes. Not strong evidence that Hawes lost his job to him, or that Hawes isn’t the better center.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A.D.D. Game Review

Hornets – Talented youngsters with little depth.
Kings – Talented youngsters with little depth.
Martin – Awesome 1 on 1. When doubled. Not so much.
Evans – Rookie. First game jitters. I’m not worried about him. Many of his passes to open players resulted in said open players missing their shots.
Casspi – Warrior. Professional. A keeper and (Please OH GOD, please) a starter from now on.
Mason – Poor man’s Bruce Bowen. Except that he can’t shoot the three. Or the two. Oh, and his defense isn’t as good either.
JT – The ref’s bitch.
Hawes – Where is this vaunted post player? Only scored one basket on a post move last night.
Brockman – Warrior. Can he play small forward?
Sergio – Best passer on the team. Worst defender on the team?
Udrih – In the doghouse?
Donté – Time for Reno?
May – Meh.

I think the Kings need to play to Tyreke’s strengths more. Let him handle the ball and create for others by driving and dishing or finishing. Set pick for him and let him work of those. Nobody can handle hiim 1 on 1. Spread the floor and let him work like they did in Memphis last year. Time to get Omri on the floor 30+ minutes. I think the Mason attempt is DOA.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This isn't college
Spread the floor and let him work like they did in Memphis last year.

NBA defenses will not allow you to spread the floor when you only have one good outside shooter out there.
The book on defending last nights starting line-up should be clear, just like last year, Guard KM with your best guy(s) and collapse around the basket.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martin was the only one who hit a 3 ball

we’ve got to throw a lot more up an accept the consiquences in order to free up ’Reke.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Omri, Nocioni and Martin can all hit the three. I don’t agree with your statement. Demond Mason and May were on the court with Tyreke and those guys, you correctly note, will not help to spread the floor.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Oct 29, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starting line-up was:

JT, May, Mason, KM and tyreke.

There’s only one ‘scary’ shooter you’d defend on the perimeter in that group. May is actually a good shooter I think, but he isn’t making people spread the floor to defend him.
My point about how to defend our Starting line-up (which was killed), stands.
May just had a terrible game last night though. If anyone was rattled – it was him, he’ll play better.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, OK

I’m not an idiot. I never said Evans should drive and dish with the starters from last night on the floor. A stupid person would think that. I guess you thought I was stupid.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Oct 29, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey...

Are you calling Westphal stupid?

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the

‘I don’t agree with your statement’ comment.

NBA defenses will not allow you to spread the floor when you only have one good outside shooter out there.
The book on defending last nights starting line-up should be clear, just like last year, Guard KM with your best guy(s) and collapse around the basket.

I don’t know what else you were referring to then.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starting Lineup

So anyway, if the starting lineup was
C-Hawes
PF-JT
SF-Casspi
SG-Martin
PG-Evans

Now you have FOUR players that can shoot the three relatively well so teams couldn’t just collapse into the paint when Evans drives. Also if JT’s man leaves him ’Reke can dish it for the dunk.

I know, it’s too easy and obvious. Something that Kings coaches just don’t seem to want to make things anymore.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Oct 29, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

Make that 3 players. Evans is driving and JT can’t shoot the three.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Oct 29, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

excellent

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Oct 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shock and Nah

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by section214 on Oct 29, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by JediLeroy on Oct 29, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm comforted by the spectacular improvement

over last year’s opening night in New Orleans.

That’s all I’ve got. That’s all it’s worth.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Oct 29, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The worst thought I have about Hawes right now

and God (or mythological being in the sky) I hope it doesn’t come to pass (i would have said come true but the God reference put me in a come to pass mode), is that he is an incarnation of Pete Chilcutt. For all you kids, Pete was a guy with a picture perfect jump shop, who nailed and married the red headed dancer. We idolized him, until we figured out the jumper never went in.
At some point Spence’s nice looking shots have got to go in or he needs to start looking for a red headed dancer.

by ElRonToro on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Watch the post game interview of hawes

I thought he said all the right things and seemed to mean them. I personally think his shots will start going in, needs just a little more arc on them.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spence can catch, at least.

We used to call Chilcutt “Ham Hands” because passes would just bounce off of him.

It was sad, really, but we didn’t know any better back then.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 29, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This game was very indicative of how both teams' seasons will go

The Kings are finally a super young team, and they look like it. They are making mistakes and the other team capitalized. On top of that, they didn’t capitalize on their opponents’ mistakes. They looked young. They looked like they didn’t totally know what they were doing. At certain times there were flashes of true talent. But only flashes.

Hasn’t this been the case with the Thunder the past couple years? Last night they looked like a team getting ready to make the leap. They’re still young and still make mistakes, but they are getting better at making up for those mistakes. They are playing like a team that trusts each other.

I’m okay with this loss. We’ll get better. It just won’t be tomorrow or the next day. Or next week. Maybe not next year. But we will get there

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by vfettke on Oct 29, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Thunder

They have a set rotation and players know their roles, and they did a good job of executing them last night. Credit the Kings with an assist.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They also have

3 Top 5 draft picks to our one. They are two years ahead of us on the rebuild, naturally they have better set roles.

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by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think

that we’ll probably need to collect two more Top 5-like talents before we can move ahead like it seems the Thunder are, or like the Blazers have?

I tend to think so.

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Tyreke is really a star

and Kevin really competes and doesn’t get hurt.

And JT really is 14/10 good defense eventually

And Spencer grows into a top 6-10 center

then..maybe we’re one Top 5 talent (that pans out) and time away from being pretty good.

If any of that long list of optimism isn’t true, then I think we’re two.

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by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just one - if its a good one

an impact interior scorer. Shooters as Kfan in K mentioned are easier to pick up.

At the moment we have 3 pretty pure shooters, KM, Casspi and Cisco (hurt). Thats pretty good. Noce is also a good shooter though they didn’t put him in positions to be that last night.

There’s only one real All-Star value guy on Okl IMO, Durant. Westbrook, Green, Hardin – just ‘good’ players. So for all thier drafting high – I don’t see a lot of impact guys there though they looked very good against our disorganized effort last night.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are also on the same page lineup wise

Not starting Hawes because of potential foul issues is crazy troll logic. PW is just conceeding the we are too small issue by starting May. Yes, if foul trouble occurs bring him in but there will probably be at least 40 games this year where niether of the two is in foul trouble and PWs way would mean going smaller than we had to for those 40 games.
I would get the best 8 on the floor as much as possible Martin Evans JT Hawes Nocioni
Casspi with whatever 2 are next, probably May and Rodriquez. Notice though there are only 4 spread the floor guys in that group (KM SH AB and OC) . Maybe this gives Udrih the nod over Rodriguez, not on overall skill, but need.

by ElRonToro on Oct 29, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree and as a result of your reasoning re Tyreke needing shooters

I think Casspi needs to play more minutes than just about everyone other than KM. He helps spread the floor and he can D it up. Casspi may just be our most valuable player. How nutty is that?

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by Holmdel on Oct 29, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more

“He only played Brockman a few minutes even though the guy came in and kicked ass. That effort and effectiveness should have kept him on the floor. Taking high energy players that are effective out of the game when they are tearing it up is just plain dumb.”

That alone would have earened you the rec, but you also made several other salient points. Well done.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

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by section214 on Oct 29, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with 'inexcusable' and 'dumb'

because I feel it is judging Westphal absent much of the information (and knowlege) that he has at his disposal. I give him the benefit of the doubt on most of this for now…

But I sure do see your points about Hawes/JT, Mason/Omri, the frountcourt in general, and defense. I guess sometimes the most obvious answer isn’t always the best, or something…?

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take

I lost my dinner after the game. Seriously! There’s no reason not to have Casspi in the starting lineup. Additionally, we need Brockman on the floor for more than 4-5 minutes. Mason and May left their game in Sacto. K-Mart was K-Mart (a scoring machine). Hawes was positively underwhelming. Tyreke will be fine now that he lost his cherry. JT really is the ref’s bitch. I really hope last night isn’t a preview of the rest of the season. GP needs to make some sort of a move for another big (hope, hope, hope).

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by SayWhat? on Oct 29, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Funny stuff Section

Road games are tough. We only won 6 last season.

I’m happy we won the final 36 minutes of the game. I’m not happy we gave the game away in the first Q(had enough of that last season).

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I will add

We need to find a SG to back up Kevin until Cisco heals. This is just as important as finding a back up center so we can start our best front court tandem, and probably easier to accomplish.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I agree

I’ve mentioned we need another ‘shooter’ out there (a few times lol) to play effective small ball. If we had Cisco we might not need it but…

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a weird roster

We have 3 PGs, 1 SG, 4 SFs, 4 PFs, 1 C and an injured Cisco.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So who out there needs a SF?

That might give up a SG from what we’ve got?
Noce is the obvious trade piece I’d say. I’d say Cleveland could use Noce but I don’t know if I’d want any of thier available pieces.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No clue

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There probably a good shooting guard w/o a job out there

(the Mason thing isn’t working for me so that a roster spot). Leaving us Noce to trade for a young big man (hopefully).

I’d guess that GP won’t stand for too man more games of Mason being so ineffective.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Omri played a lot of 2 during preseason, and he plays defense

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by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should fire Westphal

And trade Tyreke.

Oh, and burn Spencer at the stake.

That should get this team going!

Wait, what…that was only one game? We aren’t 0-82? Whew! Thank goodness!

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should fire Westphal

And trade Tyreke.

Oh, and burn Spencer at the stake.

That should get this team going!

Wait, what…that was only one game? We aren’t 0-82? Whew! Thank goodness!

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flip-flopper

This site is pissing me off today, in many ways…lol

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm home sick so I'm reviewing the game tape

Sean May is not going to like film session.
He constantly left his man in the paint to double players that didn’t need doubling – making Kristic a scoring force with easy shot after easy shot. He wants to defend where the ball is, not where his man is. You can’t do that down in the paint. He yelled at Casspi one for not helping and Casspi had to point out that he was guarding a guy named Durant – that you probably don’t want to leave for any reason.
May would I’m sure would admit he had a terrible terrible game. He’s better than that and I’m sure will show it as the season goes on.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good insights

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by Exhibit G on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio (and others) but he stood out

put no pressure on the ball handler. On several sequences Westbrook had taken the ball all the way to the paint before he got within 6 feet of him. I’m sure they were told to ‘get back’ on D but . . . .
Stop the ball! ( a Jerryism) He’s quick enough to stay in front and do some harrasing (at least he looks like he is).

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sergio is amazing

for as fast as he is handling the ball, its like he doesn’t have that gear for defending.

He has slow feet on defense, when you’d think he’d a least be quick given have fast he can push the ball up the floor.

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by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That play where Westbrrok

just slowly backed Sergio within about 6 feet and casually layed it up was one of the weakest defensive sequences I can recall. All I could do was watch it over again like three times and laugh. Sergio offered literally no resistance—he may not have touched him…

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He certainly made no attempt to stop the ball

then and several other times

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm overreacting to one game

But it’s apparent to me now that Mason has no place on this team. It should be obvious to PW (hopefully) that any game where Mason’s lack of offense contributes to an early deficit that we spend the rest of the game trying to dig ourselves out of should override any perceived value he has as a veteran leader or defensive stopper. We’re wasting our time discussing whether or not he has any value coming off the bench; cut him loose and spend the money/roster spot on some big stiff to fill the lane and/or a shooter that can give you a few points in five or so minutes.

Start Casspi or Noce. Whichever of those doesn’t start is your main offensive weapon off the bench. Sean May should be able to score decently off the bench as well. Mancakes should get more minutes to do his thing. Donte should be told he is the team’s new “defensive stopper” and be expect a fair amount of minutes every night even if he’s not putting-up good numbers. Sergio can be our back-up PG, Beno can be our primary backup SG while Cisco is out. I know that is terrifying defensively, but I’d rather roll with that challenge for a few minutes a game than the alternative that we witnessed last night.

I haven’t really been on the “we NEED another seven footer” bandwagon, but if that’s what it’ll take for the Coach to give us our Shock and Hawes, then so be it. It doesn’t matter to me who it is, if he is a youngster with potential or whatever. Hell, he doesn’t even need to have a name on the back of his jersey. Just a big body, long arms, and zero desire to shoot.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 29, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, I'd rather see Donte stumbling around trying to figure out what to do

then see Mason get beat and putting up no offense at all.

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by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thread > Post

Brilliant, brilliant conversation here.

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by section214 on Oct 29, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd go with =

I still think it was a great post, but I too was just thinking that the conversation is amazing.

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by Exhibit G on Oct 29, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just a reminiscing a bit, when I just a school age bte

Looks like the Kings start a road trip with Mad Libs. Another zany, wacky post, thanks Section – now it only hurts when I laugh.

 rec’d.

Hey, are we there yet?

by betweentheeyes on Oct 29, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rotations I'd use for the New Orleans game

I’m not willing to say I’d do this forever, but if I were PW, this is what I’d do tomorrow night:

Starters

Hawes – Okefor
JT – David West
Nocioni – Julian Wright
Kevin – Morris Peterson
(gulp) Tyreke – Chris Paul

Welcome to the NBA Tyreke, good luck, and I’m not starting Omri, because he doesn’t need the pressure or headlines of getting his first NBA start yet.

For backups, Omri can come off the bench fast and play 30 minutes or so. Tyreke is the only player on our roster with a hope of even slightly slowing down Chris Paul, so I want Tyreke on the floor whenever Paul is as much as possible.

I always want either Kevin or Beno on the floor, he’s not the ideal SG, but we need more shooting than we had last night.

For bigs, theirs don’t scare me, so I want to see some lineups with Nocioni at the 4 and Brockman the other big, Hawes/Brockman or JT/Nocioni. Having Noc play 4 should help with our offensive challenges for our bench players.

Hawes/JT/Kevin/Tyreke/Nocioni – 32 minutes each
Brockman – 18
Casspi – 30
Beno – 24
Sergio – 8

I think the math works, regardless its close. If there’s foul trouble then maybe Mason gets off the bench.

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by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I mean, even as a sub?

by DustyG on Oct 29, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was pretty disappointed watching his defense last night. I’m ok with him as long as he’s on the floor with JT or Brockman.

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by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For now

May is coach insurance against Spencer playing badly, basically. When Spencer’s going well My shouldn’t play much, if he’s having trouble, May should play more.

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by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin is going to need to play much more than 32 minutes if we want to beat Nawlins

Sit Sergio, play Beno (Never thought I’d say that.)

As for matchups, this will be a good test for our Reke-KMart nightmare scenario makers. OKC is probably one of the few teams that matches up well with Reke and K-Mart (Both Westbrook and Sefalosha are good defenders with size). Tyreke will easily be able to overpower Paul, and Kevin will probably have Julian Wright on him because Mo Pete can’t guard him.

If we lose though, expect a big game from David West. Players like Jeff Green and David West (SFs big enough to play PF) are JT’s weakness. Those type of players always tend to torch him.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, its DWest thats the big problem

The CP3/Tyreke thing will play out however it does.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beno can outplay Bobby Brown I think

I think they used a lot of BobbyB at SG last night as he got 23 minutes and Peterson only 16 (CP3 played 34). Casspi can I think guard a lot of thier long thin shooters, Noce can play most of them as well as they’re not that fast – just good shooters.
May/Brockman can Play Hilton and Songalia.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Greene have his best game at Nawlins last year?

When we surprised them? We should play him.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(sigh)

If you say so.
His few minutes last night weren’t good. He does match up size-wise nicely with them.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he threw a ball out of bounds

and missed a four footer in the paint by a foot.

He’s a mess right now.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was more sarcastic than an actual suggestion

I’m more just mad how badly people are taking one game. I actually think we have a better chance to win vs. New Orleans than OKC. I was surprised as hell when we beat up OKC in the Pre-Season.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

right (oops)

I guess i’m all for giving him a few minutes though, if we’re way up or way down. Not if the game is on the line right now though.

I’d sure love that ‘way up’ scenario at some point.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll have a way up scenario at some point

Hell we had one last year that I can remember vs. the Knicks.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said I was reviewing last nights tape?

(swine flu) Casspi looks so very much better than James Hardin – who I never ever believed was a top 10 guy. He’s a pick they’ll regret IMO. I just don’t know what he ends up doing really well at the NBA level.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Casspi could very well be the steal of the post lottery

I think Harden will be a solid player, but I don’t think he’ll ever be great. He’s definitely not going to be Brandon Roy, but he’ll be a well rounded player.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd hope for more than

‘Solid’ for a #3 pick though. I’m not convinced he’s starter material myself, a little slow, not a good defender.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry bro, I gotta call BS on that one

This is coming from the guy that wanted Thabeet. Come on now

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll do

something very well IMO.

He’s got tools. Will he put a reasonable offensive game together? We’ll see, Memphis will set him back. I personally am fine with my C scoring 10-14 if they do everything else well. If he becomes the defender I think he’ll be? With the right PF?
Time will tell.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Blair???

Those damn Spurs always end up with good late round picks.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Oct 29, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blair

I think it’s hard to evaluate him until 3 or 4 years down the road. His knees already have about 150,000 miles on them.

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he can produce like he has so far(20 mins double-double)

for just this season, I think that would make him well worth the pick. The Spurs’ clock is ticking anyway. Anything beyond this year is gravy, imo.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's the key

SA can afford to draft a rookie with a 4 year shelf life because that’s when their rebuild will begin. Tonight I think he had a 6 and 4 in 12 minutes….pretty good.
He already looks a little stiff when he moves.

by ElRonToro on Oct 29, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I posted before checking today's box

still a solid pick, as Otis just mentioned below

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

He’s a great pick for a team that’s close. But then again, as a second round pick, he would have been good for anyone (considering the lack of success from second rounders historically).

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more interested to see how Brockman pans out in a lot of ways

I think his personality would be just as important as his physical lumberjacknezz.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point, kfan

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by section214 on Oct 29, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no brainer, no risk in the 2nd rd

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 30, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant and hilarious post.

Don’t feel like regurgitating everything that was said on the game thread last night.

There’s no need to panic at all. New coach, new PG and new Kings in their first game equal what we saw last night. Look forward to NO tomorrow. Go Kings.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Oct 29, 2009 7:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL Nice.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have West

and we have Westphal.

I think I’d rather have West. Sorry, coach.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peja and had Peja

had BJax and had BJax
Coach Scott and had Assistant Coach Scott
The Big Easy and Big May – The Big Eaty?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Make we can trade

Westphal and May for Scott and West :) And maybe trade cities while we’re at it.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I do not want to root for the New Orleans Kings

Or Byron Scott as the Sacramento Hornets head coach.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they've got levies, we've got levies

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They've got Wetlands

We’ve got the Bay Area.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've got the American and Sacramento rivers and they've

got a river too I think

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you missed my joke Kfan LOL

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love that the Bay Area is our wetlands

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL Okay maybe you aren't that stupid

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by pookeyguru on Oct 30, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hiyooo!

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hiyooo!

What's the past tense for "scam"? Is it "scrumped"?

by swoosh91 on Oct 30, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aykis the Nostradumbass Predictions for tomorrow:

Kings win by 8.

Casspi scores 20+
Martin scores 30+
Evans scores 15+, 6 boards, 6 assists, 5 turnovers (Paul’s good at stealing)
Hawes starts
Mason starts
Hawes has ok game of 11 points, 9 boards
JT has good game offensively, bad game defensively (David West is not a good matchup for him)
Paul still gets 10+ assists, but he doesn’t score 20 and has a bad shooting night.
Brockman plays 10+ minutes (Hornets are very small upfront)
Beno with the DNP-CD

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kings also kill Nawlins on the boards

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by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Coach has already said May will start and Beno will play

but I’d be jazzed if the rest of your predictions come true. I wish I had your unshakable optimism.

What I’m interested to see is if the Kings get off to another slow start, does PW re-think his starting lineup then? One game may be a fluke, two games a trend? Or does he roll with it again in S.A. since it’ll be a tough game anyways and give his starters one more game to see if they can gel?

I don’t know, I think Coach is being too clever for his own good with his Mason and May ideas, and I’m really curious to see if he shows some humility and changes things up quickly if it continues to not work out. I guess I should give him more than one game before I lose faith in him.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Oct 30, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Groundhog day... 4yrs ago in OKC...

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Oct 29, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

great post

loved the ad libs choose your own adventure hilarious

by ramon on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs


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