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On Paul Westphal: A Starting Five, A Losing Team.


I know that Paul Westphal just got done coaching his first game as the mind of our Sacramento Kings, but it seems that all of our problems over the past three years have been the result of coaching dynamics which have the unique ability to highlight our already mediocre team. That said, we knew that Westphal was going to bring in Desmond Mason early on this summer. What we didn't know was how P-Dubs would go about alienating his pseudo-veterans, and young players alike. Ultimately it's all part of the rotation, and for whatever reason P-Dubs thinks that he can make two horrible line ups competitive out of one mediocre line up which still struggles to be competitive.

 

While Westphal was sitting in his mansion lounging about for the last three years, we here at STR have been paying close attention to our team, our new additions, our departures, our youth, and the development of the players we hope to watch rise to league wide names. Of our young team last year we got to witness the development of Spencer Hawes. SHawes grew steadily over the course of last year and once he got the starting job in the post-Miller lineup he developed faster and became a better presence on the court. By no means is this to say that he's an all star caliber player currently, but development and playing time are all part of that motion. What it means is that Hawes is currently our BEST center, and what does it do for a team to explicitly not start your best player at a certain position? What is it that Lil' Wayne can see about SHawes, that is invisible to P-Dubs? Potential?

 

We are a team full of potential this year, undoubtedly. Perhaps that is all that we have to cling to in 2009-10. There is no one on this team that would start in Boston, LA, Orlando, ahead of their already existing players. We are a team that needs to embrace our potential as a unit and that means putting the best five players on the floor ALL AT ONCE. Currently, and I don't care about history here, our best five players are Evans, Martin, Casspi, Thompson, Hawes. This unit has to be your starting five if you want to have a chance. There is absolutely nothing that will be accomplished by moving a 21 year old to the bench after he has earned the starting role the previous season. There is nothing that is gained by giving a horrible veteran the starting position because he and the coach were friends 35 years ago. There is nothing to be gained by chunneling all of your starting line up's offense through the hands of Kevin Martin, when you have capable wing players who can help stretch and run the floor in Nocioni and Casspi sitting on the bench. You need these stretch players to open up your bigs, and you need bigs that can score. Nobody in this league is giving Mason and May any respect this season. Which means that opposing defenses can virtually run triple coverage on Martin, double Tyreke, and help out on Thompson, unless there's another scoring threat on the floor.

 

It will be easy for every team in the league to beat last nights starting five. It will be easy for every team in the league to beat our back-up five, WITH THEIR BACK UPS. It is easy to take youth and make it question its ability, skill level, team chemistry, coaching, leadership, talent, and potential. And it is easy to start Sean May and Desmond Mason, while the potential--invisible to Westphal--continues to go unfulfilled. It is easy to devastate a season and lose a team by breaking them apart. It is hard to make the decision that youth will progress faster and farther than experience. And it will still be hard to win games with the Evans, Martin, Casspi, JT, Hawes starting five. But at least we will have a competitive start.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Rant of the month, spot on, and I love it.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You take all the fun out of it, by making accurate and sensible statements

On the other hand, there is some truth in what tokyo says. If our reserve aren’t good enough to play to oppositions reserves straight up, why bother making our starters weaker.

I understand that PW is trying to spread our best 2 bigs out over the entire game. But, if were going to get beat becasue our bench cant compete why bother. Play the best 5 for as long as you can, and let them develop into a cohesive unit.

But, let’s face it, we didn’t really have an answer for Green, and Mason on Durant was the worst move by a coach in a long time.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 29, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have a point

put a starting line-up out there that can succeed and let the reserves get killed. At least we’d know for sure what we have.

(But Otis’ rant is classic!)

I don’t believe last night line-up wiil/could ever be successful taking into account the strengths and weakness (at this point) of our starting guards.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One day, I am going to make a billion dollars

Once I perfect the device that allows me to stab people in the throat over the internet.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 29, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you need funding

I’ll fleece what’s left of my 401(k).

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm investing in

catcher’s gear, cause I see where this is going..

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Oct 29, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL HERES MY VIEW!!!

KINGS DEFENSE IN ONE WORD…UMMMMM>>>GARBAGE!!!!!
OFFENSE= CLUTTERED
STARTING LINEUP= LMAO!!!! JUNK!!!

This is who should start:
PG: Tyreke Evans
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Omri Casspi
PF: Jason T.
C: Hawes
Here are what the backups should look like:
Bkup PG: Udrih
Bkup SG: Garcia (injured so not so sure)
Bkup SF: Nocioni
Bkup PF: John Brockman
Bkup C: Sean May

Paul Westphal is not a bad coach! Just look at what he has to work with!! THERES ONLY A FEW BRIGHT SPOTS ON THIS TEAM. IF DEFENSE AND OFFENSE DONT IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY, WE ALL SHOULD GET FOCUSED ON THE NEXT LOTTERY DRAFT.

by Sikhbeatz on Oct 29, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why are you yelling at me?

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Oct 29, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, I'm not fluent in scream

any point you may have made wasn’t read

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

Did you really think there was a chance of anything other than being in the lottery? If so, quit bogarting that thing and pass it around ok?

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

did he mention that?

I honestly refused to read it.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did mention that if the defense & offense didn't improve the Kings were headed back to the lottery (last line lttg)

One of the good things I’ve read all day.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, seriously

I refuse to try to read that

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Oct 29, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't blame you

I won’t get my minute from reading it back.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best day at STR ever!!!

EVER!!!!

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait till we're 0 - 3

We’ll have death threats posted in the Fan Post.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then once we win a game

We’ll have posts talking about the playoffs.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then as we continue to suck, they will quietly fade away

and things will return to normal. At least more normal. No later than December 1st. That’s what I’m pinning my hopes on in any case.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I think ed is already at his breaking point as is.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

Yes I am. But I’ll hang in there. Idiots and trolls will come and go, I just gotta learn to deal with them. I choose to make fun of them.

Can’t wait for all the bitching, complaining, and stupidity in tomorrow’s game thread.

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's classic bte

Well done sir.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best day at StR ever

SO FAR.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 30, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

That was MY line lady

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 30, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your lineup…..but arent we focused on next years draft anyways? I mean, we have no chance at a playoff spot….for me the development of JT, Evans, Casspi and Hawes are the focus of the season.

by Bellringer21 on Oct 29, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is one game

& we shouldn’t panic but this should have never been our starting line up in the first place thus giving tokyo nothing to panic about. You play your 5 best players to start the game & maybe we don’t get blown out in the first quarter. Then if our reserves start losing the game for us then you put the starters back in. Isn’t that usually what most teams with lack of depth do?

by allbenji's on Oct 29, 2009 5:22 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Most teams have better starters

What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?

by otis29 on Oct 29, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland has lost both of their first two games,

They suck, trade that James guy. Get a new coach, Fire the GM.

I may have to take a break from STR.

by nothingbutnet on Oct 29, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What do you expect?

Naturally just about every comment today is overboard given the small sample size of one game, but it’s all we have to work with. Give it time, and the criticism and praise will become more nuanced and tolerable, and the game threads will die down a bit.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The voice of reason

What has the world come to. ;p

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's officially Bizarro World Kfan

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No effing shit

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's only because

you fellers are slightly overreacting, to put it mildly.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are over-reacting?

You gotta be shitting me. I’ve maintained that this is one game, and it’s a young team that is going to take some time to adjust. If that’s over-reaction, maybe I should figure out a new definition instead.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes sense

But so does folks wanting to comment on what they saw last night. It’s a new season, a fresh start, folks don’t want to relive last year’s debacle and Game 1 was a fresh wound, not the hopeful new beginning we’d prefer to see.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Progress

We didn’t quit and actually won the last 3 quarters of the game. Yes, the first quarter was way too reminiscent of last season, but going off about it, like some have is … how should I put this …

slightly overreacting, to put it mildly

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have not been commenting after every person deriding them for their over-reaction CC

So, while others may have, I’m not one of them. I understand where you’re coming from, and that people need to vent. I don’t want to take that away or say it isn’t important.

On the other hand, I do like to inject perspective where & when I can.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Points made

It’s the Internet, home of instant ANALysis, after all.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

y is Spanish for and, and sis is short for sister

anal and sister? You are one sick puppy.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL Kfan

Good one.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sick is sick,p is short for several words & uppy is short for uppity

So I guess that makes you a sick, uppity p____. Touche. LOL.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kfan CC grudge match

Tickets for 20 bux apiece. Get ’em while you can!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah,

I was just making a joke. Wasn’t trying to incite anything. And I think he took it the right way.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he was

And of course you were. Wuzn’t trying to imply that there was anything else going on. I was making a joke of my own, so sorry if it didn’t seem that way.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, I got it

just clarifying, because I couldn’t think of anything funny to say and wanted to give your joke a Hah.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So does that mean these tickets are worthless?

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Oct 29, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are currently on sale

at Coolcatmaster.com. Plenty of good seats available, don’t mind the extra “convenience” fees.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

two $10 seats, … That’ll be $365.95 please

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 30, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

I’m not calling you an asshole for being an Artest fan am I? No. Been there done that.

On the other hand, your point about Mason is very astute. You are like many regular readers here: You quite often bring up reasonable and considerable POV to the conversation.

That’s exactly why I don’t mind the ranting, but up to a point. At some point, it’s become redundant (which it is with Spencer Hawes in particular) and that’s why I’m a bit irritated. Unfortunately it’s become overkill, and not much else. I think it’s a bit of a waste. I can’t say the same with your opinions I’ve seen posted here throughout the day CC.

Otherwise, moving on. People will complain tomorrow if the Kings lose, by 5 points or 20, and the same with San Antonio. But, at some point, I think perspective needs to be had.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naturally

There’s been some repetition today, always is, but also some interesting observations. Soon there will be a body of work of 10-20 games to go through, and it will be interesting to see what has changed. Same sold same old, you gotta cut through the wheat to get to the chaff. There’s just more to wade through the last couple of days.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

And I don’t mind analysis a couple of weeks into the season. But, after one game? Too much noise for my liking. I knew there would be, and I’m trying to let it go (the fast-ed back & forth not withstanding).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, you should've let that go

I was dominating the competition like LeBron on his way to a triple double

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Delayed gratification babe

Delayed gratification.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But really

What’s truly more annoying, the instant overanalysis or the puffed-up lecturing like what dominated the “Pual” thread? We could do with less of that BS as well.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 29, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me?

The instant over-analysis. There is some puffed up lecturing, but I usually see that in response to something that is pretty out there and unwise.

This place could be more snotty than it is.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

CC, is bringing his a game. Many solid posts since his return.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoroughly unscientific pole says

“Overboard” comments are running neck to neck with “Why are you all going so overboard after one game” comments.

Game 2 tips off at 8. I’ll announce the winner at half time then we’ll have to move on to “overboard” v. “why u going overboard after TWO games.”

by BrooklynFan on Oct 30, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you mean 5pm Pacific Time?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 30, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Pole"

This thread is closed, NOW.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 30, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a scientific pole.

I believe you’re looking for the word “poll”.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 30, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And....

we are back to normal.Man, that felt weird for a second

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 29, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Yep it did.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Oct 29, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one

That thinks Westphal is starting May and Mason in an effort to make other players who haven’t necessarily earned a starting spot yet earn it? Specifically Hawes, who skipped Vegas and didn’t exactly dominate in pre-season.

I think Westphal is trying to light a fire under his ass. As far as not starting Casspi…he’s still very young, give it time. I would question not starting Noc more than not starting Casspi in game 1.

And to agree with everyone else…much overreaction. Especially that yelling guy.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Oct 30, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes expecially since JT got so much better at Center for playing in VSL.

There is nothing to be read into Hawes not starting. Hawes had an ankle injury that affected him through all the preseason games. And, he still outplayed and had more minutes than May.

In fact, PW got so upset with May at Center that he pulled him for Hawes after 5 mins. of the 1st and after 2 minutes of the 3rd.

Hawes is coming off the bench for exactly the reason that happened in the OKC game. If Hawes had started, then when JT got into foul trouble, PW would have had to pull JT and then pull Hawes to give him his rest. So, who’s left to play 4/5. Do you think May at center and Noc or Brockman at PF would have been able to play against, Krstic, Green & Durant.

If we had anybody who could play center, and I mean anybody, Hawes would be starting.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 30, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just my 2 cents worth, but...

After one regular season game on the road, calling out the coach with comments like

What we didn’t know was how P-Dubs would go about alienating his pseudo-veterans, and young players alike.

and

While Westphal was sitting in his mansion lounging about for the last three years

and

What is it that Lil’ Wayne can see about SHawes, that is invisible to P-Dubs?

and

And it is easy to start Sean May and Desmond Mason, while the potential—invisible to Westphal—continues to go unfulfilled.

seems, at best, premature.

You’re not in practice. You don’t know what’s going on there. And one more time, everybody join in on the chorus:

It’s one game.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 30, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs


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