Hornets 97, Kings 92 - Kings playoffs magic number reduced to 79
Photographic proof that Kevin Martin and Jason Thompson could not throw a ball into the ocean last night.
Disclosure #1 – I did not get to see all of last night’s 97-92 loss to the New Orleans Hornets.
Disclosure #2 – I have not had the opportunity to study all of the subtle nuances that usually shape the outcome of a game.
But I did cull this subtle little nugget – Kevin Martin and Jason Thompson took the most shots for the Kings last night (29 and 16, respectively) and missed 29 of their 45 shots, for a shooting percentage of 29%. Had they combined to shoot 36% from the floor (3 more made shots) the Kings may very well have won the game. Oh, and that was 45 shots with 1 trip to the free throw line (a make by JT). 5 of their misses came via blocked shots.
Silver lining to the shooting fiasco turned in by K-Thomps? They did combine to grab 19 boards (JT 12, Martin 7), and dish out 9 assists (JT 6, Martin 3) while committing only 1 turnover (Martin). This is huge. These two guys, mired in a terrible shooting night, did not stop playing, and did not let it affect the other aspects of their game. This is a team that is going to need to track the small victories if not the actual victories all season long, and I would call this one of those victories.
I did see enough of the game to notice that Jon Brockman is indeed a rebounding machine, though at the free throw line he makes Justin Williams (or Michael Smith if you prefer) look like Jose Calderon (or Calvin Murphy if you prefer).
Even after factoring in the free throw attempts disparity (32-20, Hornets), the Kings still generated 17 more shot attempts than New Orleans, the result of being +9 on rebounding (and +11 on the offensive glass), and turning the ball over only 10 times (to the Hornets’ 11). 52 rebounds and 10 turnovers would qualify as small victories #2 and #3.
A word on +/- - Admittedly, this is my least favorite stat, as I think that there are many factors that can skew this number. Last night Kevin Martin was a +1 while Tyreke Evans was a -10. ‘Nuff said.
Oh, about that Evans kid – pretty nice showing against one of the league’s premier players. 22 points on 65% true shooting. 3 assists against 3 turnovers and a couple of steals. Let’s call Tyreke’s performance small victory #4, in spite of CP3’s 31 points (and 15 trips to the free throw line).
Again, I did not really have the opportunity to review the game, so as we go to the thread I ask my StR brethren for enlightenment. The portion of the game that I did see appeared that it was played at a much more deliberate pace than the OKC game, and the team seemed to play better overall. Is this young Sacramento Kings team going to play better (at least early on) when the pace is slower? I mean, would a slower pace result in fewer turnovers and less foul trouble? Small sample size, I know, but if you all could help a brother out and chime in here, I sure would appreciate it.
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section let me add this about Tyreke
Paul may have has 31, but he didn’t enjoy getting many of them against Tyreke. I said in the game thread and stand by, CP3 looked like he was let out of jail whenever he was on the floor and Tyreke wasn’t. At one point in the game, Tyreke had several steals and no turnovers, and CP3 had no steals and several turnovers.
Now, the 4th quarter was definitely a learning experience for Mr. Evans. But CP3 was seriously bothered by Tyreke’s long arms, and looked stunned when he’d put the ball on the floor, do his thing, drive, and Evans was still standing in front of him denying penetration.
Oh, and that Mason guy did a fabulous job on David West.
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by ForThree on Oct 31, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Totally. Agreed on all Tyreke points.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Oct 31, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing End
Great game and all but the last play, the offensive execution was terrible. A rookie getting converged by two to three Hornets. Need to make that pass, Tyreke. If we get a clean look but miss, I’m not as steamed about the game.
I don’t care how competitive we were last night but missing golden opportunities to steal road games early in the season, pisses me off more than most things about the Kings.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Oct 31, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Learning
It’s a learning experience for Tyreke. He made a few rookie mistakes trying to do to much at then end, but he is a 19 year old rookie, so it’s expected. Was great to see him unafraid to make the plays at the end of the game though, he made a few big shots to go along with a few forced shots.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Oct 31, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyreke is 20 years old now
Not a big oversight, but just thought folks should know.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slow things down, toughen up
The Kings definitely thrived last night when they were more deliberate and focused on passing the ball. The passing was outstanding in the first three quarters. In the fourth quarter they deviated and started to go more 1-on-1 and force things, particularly Kevin.
They need to slow things down, be patient and make the defense work in crunch time. Be mentally tough for all four quarters. Believe you are going to find a way to win instead of a way to lose.
I’m also changing my thoughts on Kevin’s playing time and think they should shift Mason to the 2 guard to back Kevin up. Let Kevin play 32-36 minutes a game instead of 40, and I think he will be fresher at the end of games and throughout the season. That will also free up more time for Nocioni and Casspi and Greene to a limited extent to man the small forward position. Brockman looks like he is earning more minutes up front, and that’s going to limit Nocioni’s opportunities at the 4.
Evans, conversely, probably needs to play more minutes, particularly when you are facing a team with a premier point guard. He played 33 minutes last night. Paul seemed to get most of his points when Udrih was in the game. Probably the worst episode was Paul’s three-pointer to end the third quarter. Paul also got going a lot on our few turnovers or when Evans drove to the lane, allowing Paul a head start on the ensuing possession. Tyreke also shot the ball very well from outside and looked a lot more comfortable overall than against OKC.
Brockman brought a lot of energy, rebounding and defense to the team and deserves to play at least 10-12 minutes a night. May made some nice outside shots and played well. JT brought the energy, but the shots just would not go down. He had some great looks. Hawes played very poorly and deserved to play only 14 minutes.
The ending was disappointing, but it’s refreshing to see some new players emerge.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 31, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree Kevin shouldn’t be playing 40 minutes a night.
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by ForThree on Oct 31, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopeful signs
These were the Kings I expected to see this year.
Nice to see Beno distribute the ball well. I give him the edge over Sergio at this point.
Love the energy by both Brockman and Thompson.
Tyreke had some nice drives to the hoop, he’s going to be fun to watch.
A lot better ball movement this game.
Tonight will be tough considering it’s a back to back for the Kings, and the Spurs loss their last game. I expect tonight’s game to be a double digit loss.
THE KINGS ARE IN THIRD PLACE IN THE PACIFIC DIVISION!!!
From Chris Paul to Tony Parker for Tyreke . . . I sense he likes the challenges though.
Ba-da
by Ba-Da Bing on Oct 31, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kmart shooting 29.2% in two games... WTF??
And don’t start with never should have gotten rid of Salmons and Artest crap… Salmons 17.2% and Artest 24%… Kingsitis?
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
by kromeace on Oct 31, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He isn't taking the same shots he used to.
He really seems to be forcing them up sometimes.
Peja-vu!
by CDinSD on Oct 31, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor spacing
The spacing at times last night was terrible. Sometimes there were 3 guys within 5’ of one another. In order for KM to get shots they need better spacing and ball movement.
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by SayWhat? on Oct 31, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reke convinced the NOH game commentators he was legit
At the beginning of the night they were going on and on about how absurd it was that Reke was playing PG and how Reke was about to get a lesson in how a real PG played from their “MVP Candidate.”
By the end of the game they actually admitted that they were wrong, that one, CP3 could not guard Reke on his own and, that two, Reke was giving Paul fits on offense, pointing specifically to his low assist numbers.
I didn’t get to see the game on a real television screen, LP in NY is still not working, but on my little computer screen it looked like there were a lot of no call fouls on reke and Kevin. Not sure what the story with that is, but one has to wonder if Kevin has worn out his good will with the refs by pushing himself to the free throw line so much last year. I think Reke is just getting rookied.
It was good to see JT get that little half hook off so easily but I can’t figure out why it doesn’t drop. Any former inside players here have a sense of what is wrong with his shot?
by BrooklynFan on Oct 31, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question
If JT could make those inside shots, and stay out of foul trouble, he could become an 18 to 20 point per game scorer in the mode of a Carlos Boozer or David West. I think probably he is too focused on the defensive presence, and over-thinking the mechanics of his post moves. He has not yet reached the autonomous stage of skill development regarding footwork and finishing touch. But I think it is part of normal evolution for a big guy. He is doing great. I am really impressed with JT. He is on track to be a special player.
by bench_blob on Oct 31, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah me too
There was one sequence in particular where Okafor came in the game and right away went one on one with Thompson in the post and scored. The next trip down the court, Thompson deliberately cleared his teammates out of the lane and posted up Okafor and made the half-hook. It was classic, to me.
The guy clearly has the drive and is coming along with the skill.
Peja-vu!
by CDinSD on Oct 31, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jt
I agree, I think hes going to be a great player. When I watch him post I can’t help to think of what CWEBB said last year, he became good in the post when he learned to slow down and not try to out quick or out muscle the defender, but make a quality move and take his time. JT seems to rush his shots a lot of the time.
by elSAVinator on Oct 31, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the big man
it is all about footwork and core strength. JT needs time and with his work ethic he should learn, particularly with Coaching asst, Truck Robinson and Shareef.
The things you can’t teach – motor, desire, hands – the kid is well equipped.
by betweentheeyes on Oct 31, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its just an off night
his hooks looked good, but a number of his shots just rimmed out. All I really have when I play is my hookshot, and on the nights it dances around the rim, there is just nothing you can do about it. And after a couple like that, you just really rush the hook out of frustration, not getting the full extension you need, and the result is a flat hook that bonces right off the rim.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Oct 31, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
K-Mart needs to drive and dish sometimes. Scorers can pass too
He is too single-minded when goes to the hoop to try and draw the foul. It has worked for 6 years but it is time for K-Mart to take the next step as a player. I am not sure what the refs have in mind regarding calling fouls, but a new trend seems to be emerging. There seems to be a new reluctance to give the offensive player the benefit of the doubt when contact occurs, specific to K-Mart or otherwise. A parade to the free throw line is not what the fans want, not what Stern wants, and the refs may have received the off-season memo to this effect.
Anyway, when is K-Mart going to make his teammates better? All-Star caliber players do this. He needs to make his teammates better. Get a lay-up for Brockman. Find a cutter for a flying jam. Be an offensive decoy if your shot is not falling. Get a struggling teammate, aka Spencer Hawes, an easy look. K-Mart is too skilled, too experienced, and too crafty not to make a contribution in more ways than just scoring.
by bench_blob on Oct 31, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
11 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals and only 2 turnovers in two games aren’t contributions?
Kevin made some bad decisions last night, shot badly and seems at times to be driving to get a call not make a shot, but I think even coolcat would agree his all-around effort has been better.
I think his defense has been significantly better than last year so far also.
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by ForThree on Oct 31, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agrred on D
He attacked the passing lanes last night and opposing guards not named Chris Paul were held to very few shot attempts.
by BrooklynFan on Oct 31, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
K-Mart is my favorite player
so I am not trying to be overly critical of him. My primary observation is when he drives to the hoop, the defense collapses and he is missing chances to find an open teammate for an easy look. An offensive stud like K-Mart needs to take advantage of all the attention he receives, instead of always trying to bait the defender, when refs are not accommodating. He could average 5 assists a game, easy. K-Mart is smart enough to figure it out, though. I expect a big bounce back game tonight.
by bench_blob on Oct 31, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells said...
I couldn’t agree more with your assessment of K-Mart. Although I don’t get to see as many Kings games as I’d like, every time I do watch I wonder what else K-Mart is doing to help his team. He is clearly an excellent scorer. I don’t see him, however, making everyone around him better, playing lock down D, dishing many assists or getting many rebounds. Love having him on the team but it is time for him to take it to the next level. I believe he had 7 boards last night. Good start.
by rstewartwest on Oct 31, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By my count Kevin took 2 charges and a moving chest bump last night.
I’m pretty sure that he’s never going to play lock down D but the all O, no D attitude is changing.
I agree with the blob that JT is over thinking things right now and so is Kevin. when they internalize the stuff they are working on now both are going to change the level of their respective games, JT especially. JT to me is poised to raise the level of his game to a place we we haven’t anticipated.
This was the most exciting game I can remember in a while. With 15 seconds left in the 4th we were down 1 and it could have gone either way. The last 3 minutes were sloppy on both sides and the only reason we had a chance in the last 15 seconds was an incredible rebound sequence by Noc and JT. There was no quit in the Kings throughout
the game and this is most decidedly not last seasons team.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
by Bluejohn on Oct 31, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin
played excellent D last night, including taking the charge against Paul. That would have been an easy bucket last year.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Oct 31, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reke's ASST total
Reke’s assist number don’t tell the whole story, since he did manage to find a lot of players for wide open looks that were missed. Also, even if he did make a bad decision at the end of game, you have to love the mindset of a rookie who wants the ball in the final seconds. I was impressed.
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by Reges on Oct 31, 2009 10:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the NBA, Tyreke Evans.
And Spencer Hawes officially sucks. He’s 7 foot, and fades away on EVERY f*cking shot. It drives me nuts.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Oct 31, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawes just needs a little Daily Affirmation
by BrooklynFan on Oct 31, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daily Affirmations, courtesy of Ellen DeGeneres
I am the world’s tallest midget.
I’m a little teapot, short and stout. Here is my handle, here is my spout.
I bet nobody knows I’m crazy.
I look good in bell bottoms.
Archie would rather date me than either Betty or Veronica.
I can walk through walls. Ouch! No, I can’t.
I mean for my hair to look like this.
The Great Spirit smiles on me. On me and only me. The Great Spirit hates everybody else. We’re best friends.
I don’t need to exercise. I have the perfect shape.
I’m smarter than my dogs. Well, smarter than one of my dogs.
I look good with back hair.
Being grubby equals being cool.
I sing better than Bonnie Raitt. I have as many Grammys as Bonnie Raitt. I am Bonnie Raitt.
It’s not important to know what everybody else seems to know. I don’t care how much they laugh at me.
La la la la la la la la la la la–Talk all you want, I can’t hear you–la la la la la la la la. La la la.
If I put my mind to it, I could do anything. I just don’t feel like putting my mind to something. So there.
I have X-ray vision. Wait a minute. I don’t. These glasses are a rip-off.
I meant to get ripped off.
I’ve fallen and I can get up.
I’m good at watching TV.
I can come up with better affirmations than these.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 31, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair to Martin...
…you could’ve connected with a sledge hammer on him and the zebras would have been immune to calling a foul last night.
by Smills91 on Oct 31, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tyreke!!!
Even with the terrible shooting by JT and overpaid-Mart the Kings were up by 3 with 1:35 on the clock and we had the ball. Then K-Mart proceeded to dribble the ball around for 15 seconds and not even get a shot up!! Hes proven to be an excellent catch and shooter, but at the end of games hes has no moves and tries to get bailed out by the refs every time. You dont see Melo, Lebron, or Kobe try to draw fouls at the end of games, they try to make buckets!! End of the game we need to give the ball to Tyreke at the top, pick and roll and spread the shooters out. At least he will try to make the bucket and not go for the bail out. I want Kmart catching and shooting at the end of the game, not trying to make 1 on 1 moves.
by elSAVinator on Oct 31, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With 15 seconds, down by one
Evans dribbled into a triple team and lost the ball. Had he kicked out to anyone, we had a chance to win the game.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 31, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a double team and Emeka came out of no where, just like hed did when hes stuffed martin to end the game
by elSAVinator on Oct 31, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PW did WAY better
One of my big criticisms of the first game was that PW did not do that great. He just didn’t seem to have handle on how to play these guys.
I think that is fast changing and have to say that he was on his game last night. I love that he immediately pulled out anybody who screwed up. In one minute or less it seemed.
He also stayed with guys doing really well. Keeping Noc in the game for as many minutes as he got was very good. He had a hot hand and, thus, got more minutes.
With JT and Mancakes in the game this team is so dominant in rebounding at both ends it is awesome. Got to love the hustle and grit they both bring.
I was glad to see that the team didn’t really suffer with Beno at PG. I think the reason is he didn’t match up with Paul. Paul owns Beno, just look at the stats from last year. Beno dished and played better than I thought he would.
Paul… Ah yes, the defensive presence of Tyreke Evans is truly there. First the Jazz’s finest PG and now Paul. This guys is so fresh and young, yet he plays D like this? Just wow! Not like he shut Paul down, but he kept him out of the paint.
JT showed some new moves and is obviously getting well coached. He just has to hit his comfort zone for them to start dropping. Can’t wait. It is too bad he and Kev didn’t hit better. A win would have have nice.
Overall, a game we should have won.
by MustangMBS on Oct 31, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a rebuttal to how poorly Kevin Martin played offensively last night
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
good article
with painstaking attention to detail, you get a rec’d from me.
by Ichiban on Oct 31, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good read
although it would have been better if you hadn’t added that mumbo jumbo from that other guys post ;)
My take on assists, are if 3pt shooters hit less than 40% of their shots, and bigs hit 90%+ of their dunks, that PG’s like CP3 are more valuable because they can set up their bigs. Passing to a jumpshooter, just doesn’t seem to be worthy of that much credit unless your ball handling drew the defender away from the shooter.
How many times have you seen a defender leaving his man to help defend, then the ball being kicked to the man left open, who passes around the horn as the other players rotate to help, and finally after the 4th pass the shooter makes a basket. The player who made the 4th pass gets the assist, but it’s the player who drew the doubleteam and made the 1st pass that really create the play. I sometimes feel that only shots made inside the paint should be assisted.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Oct 31, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the "assist" should be thrown out
Or, at least replaced with a better accuracy of what passing brings. I think the NBA is afraid, though, that changing these statistics would cause havoc in how players, teams and fans would see the game.
Slowly, though, it has changed.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The universe will balance out
If we should have won this game, then we’re gonna steal a win somewhere down the road. And once this team starts clicking (they’ve been together a sum total of 3 months?) we’ll actually be in more positions to win games too.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
by elfboy_ on Oct 31, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
steal a win that we don't deserve I mean
d’oh.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
by elfboy_ on Oct 31, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyreke really played great.
I look forward to seeing him develop into a all-star.
CP3 was impressed had this to say on twitter after the game.
“VERY impressed wit the young fella Tyreke Evans!”
by SKanthony on Oct 31, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for this. Great to know!
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Oct 31, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You through your commenting withdrawal yet? LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. I do things in spurts I suppose. Leave me alone, gramma! :)
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Oct 31, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay sonny
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real refs are back
and there making a concerted effort not to look like the replacements. NO constantly had a hand on our shooters as they went up. Kevin came from the left side of the basket and stopped on the right side, received a pass from Hawes and went straight up. The ball never got as high as the rim and when he came down he was 3 ft behind the basket. The defender had his hand on him the whole time. Spencer got the ball from Tyreke on a pick & roll, but when he got to the basket he was sandwitch betwee 2 NO players. As he went up Okafur put a hand on Hawes’ hip. As Hawes released the ball you can see him being hit on the wrist by the player to his left, and you can see the arm opening of his jersey on his right streched down by Okafurs’ grab.
I’m not saying the game was called unfairly. Just that the players aren’t at their mid season form yet, and either are the refs. But, I do believe that the word is out on Martin. Not getting a single FT in 6 straight quarters, for a guy who touches the ball so much and attacks the basket so much, just has to be a conscience effort by the refs. Kevin needs to stop throwing up a shot everytime he’s bumped.
Paul got 8 of his 31 off of Beno, so Tyreke got 22 and gave up 23 to Paul. Beno played point well at the end of the 1st quarter and the start of 2nd, but that 3 pointer to Paul he gave up at the end of the 3rd and the wide open 3 to Brown, show Beno’s real weakness is defense.
I thought the movement slowly died in the 2nd half, but it wasn’t do to any adjustments on the part of NO. Others have already posted about PW playing Martin 40 minutes. Martin & Tyreke both lost a step by the end of the game. But, with Mason in the game and only a threat for an alley-oop, and Noc being our only 3pt threat and camping out beyond the 3pt line, there was no one else to move.
The pick & roll offense still is a challenge for the Kings. With Thompson, Brockman and Hawes getting blocked a total of 5 times, we’re not blessed by dominant finishers in the front line. Nor are any of out guards very accomplished with getting to ball down low to our bigs where they have a chance to finish well.
I think PW is still experimenting with his rotations( Beno doen’t play one game & Sergio doesn’t play the next, Omri get a lot of minutes then hardly plays the next), I do hope to decides soon. Whatever the rotation ends up being, I think it will be better for the players if they can get consistant minutes. There aren’t too many players on this team that are that sparkplug, who can come off the bench cold and light up the scoreboard.
I also think that until Cisco comes back, PW needs to decide who’s going to backup Martin. Switch Evans to the 2, play Omri, or my least favorite option play Beno at the 2.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Oct 31, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with players getting consistent minutes.
However, I do think it’s exciting to see who is coming off the bench and how they perform in various lineups. It’s quite a basketball puzzle that is exciting as much as it is frustrating.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Oct 31, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the offense is hitting on full cylinders yet HT
But that’s me. I wasn’t surprised to see the offense break down as the Hornets adjusted to what the Kings were trying to do. They forced Martin to take more shots rather than make him pass (which hurt the Hornets more in the 1st half) because they felt he was easier to close out than keep him from setting players up. (I know, this is Kevin Martin I’m referring to.)
Omri didn’t deserve to play 10 mins. He simply didn’t play well enough. He was lucky he got 10 mins. I didn’t mind the rotations because I thought PW went with his best players for the most part.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play Martin extended minutes on the 1st game of a B2B
might be smart if you’ve already decided that the Spurs game is a no win proposition. Then you play your best until they drop to try and pull out at least one game. I wouldn’t do it, because I believe that these are professionals and there’s alway a chance to win.
Omri plays well almost the entire preseason and the OKC game, and you give up on him because of what, he shoots 2 for 5 in 10mins. People here were talking him up for the rookie all-star game. He’s played well enough to get a chance to work thru his mistakes.
PW was in a close game and looking for his 1st win. He stayed with the guys that were keeping him in the game. I can see why he would do that. He’s a play by the gut kind of guy and his gut said stay with the guys on the floor. And, they almost pulled it out, ALMOST.
But in the end, Martin & Tyreke tried to do too much by themselves. In those last 4 or 5 possessions we were ahead and needed to score or stop. Having Brockman out there was a mistake. He isn’t a stopper or a scorer, and his FT shooting is a negative. Brockman played the entire 4th quarter except for a couple defensive switches in the last 15secs of the game, He got 2 rebounds and 1pt in the 4th quarter.
I would have played May or Hawes at PF, or Noc at PF and Omri at SF.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Oct 31, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say Omri was a lost cause
I said he wasn’t playing well and there was a reason he didn’t get more than 10 mins. Jeesh, it’s only the 2nd game. Until Omri becomes a lot better than he is, I’m not going to have this argument every day HT. It’s just aimless. Not your fault perse, I understand your point.
On the other hand, Omri didn’t play well last night! That isn’t a crime. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s just the way it is. He didn’t deserve to play more than he did. And, for a guy who played as well as he had up to that point, I understand why people are a bit disconcerted. I thought it was a wise decision on PW’s part. Still do.
I’m not a coach HT. I don’t second guess lineup’s unless I absolutely have to. Last night is not one of those occasions I’m going to 2nd guess.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And HT
I might add that PW has confidence in Omri. At the end of the game when 3 pt shooters were needed, Omri was on the floor. I didn’t have a problem with that either. (Especially given that Nocioni would have drawn so much attention given how well he shot last night.)
I didn’t have a problem with Omri shooting 2-5. He just didn’t play well defensively, and I thought it was a bad matchup for him. He is a rookie, and there are matchup’s where he won’t look as good. Last night was one. Tonight? Who knows.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor was I arguing with your opinion
I didn’t disagree about Omri’s play. Just saying that since it is early in the season, I’d let him play thru bad stretches in games. PW certainly let JT & Martin play thru bad stretches.
I do apologize about my infurance
Omri plays well almost the entire preseason and the OKC game, and you give up on him because of what, he shoots 2 for 5 in 10mins. People here were talking him up for the rookie all-star game
I need to change my writing style. This isn’t the first time I’ve written YOU when I didn’t mean to imply I was replying to the previous poster. What I meant to say is, Omri’s played well enough that WE or PW shouldn’t give up on him when he has a bad stretch. It is his rookie NBA season, and seasoned Vets have bad stretches.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Oct 31, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree in general
But last night was not one of those nights where I think he provided the Kings with the matchup’s they needed there. We can agree to disagree on that point, but tonight is very different than last night. I think we will see Omri get more mins.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ht
Omri is going to get his minutes. I think it’s more important for all the players to understand that PW is in charge and if they don’t play well they are going to lose minutes and come off the floor. Westphal let ’Reke play through mistakes and Omri will get the opportunity as well.
Omri is a young cocky kid who has played well at the highest Euroleague level, I think equal to our conference finals and he has to learn his place here. It’s probably not the mistake per se but that he didn’t do what coach wanted him to do.
I would far rather have PW talk about accountability and back it by yanking players out of the game then Theus and particularly Natt blather on about it endlessly and then not follow up. Westphal is in the process of figuring out his rotations and establishing his presence and in my opinion has a high emotional IQ and understands how to deal with the younger players.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
by Bluejohn on Oct 31, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that we can mention other players who contributed in any given game is exciting to me.
This was a really great game with a disappointing outcome.
I was going to comment on Mason’s great play on the defensive end and how important it is for him to be in the starting lineup but Aykis covers that very nicely in his "Welcome to Westphalia" piece.
FACT
#1. Reke could shoot over CP3. CP3 could not shoot over ’Reke.
Paul only attacked the rim when Tyreke was on the bench. Also, for CP3 to only get 4 assists speaks volumes about Tyreke’s length and defense as well as the Kings’ team defense. The Kings’ ability to disrupt the passing lanes (see May and Mason) and the strategy to push their bigs out of their comfort zone were key in disrupting the Hornets’ offensive flow.
Digging the high pick and roll with May and ‘Reke. It almost looks unstoppable when May is doing his mid-range damage.
It was also nice to see Mason, JT and Hawes help each other out and box out on missed shots and missed tip-ins. A chemistry is certainly developing with all of the Kings, especially the boys in the front court.
Noc is such a dangerous weapon to have but he’s super streaky. I really like the fact that whether he’s hot or cold, he’s always willing to be aggressive and attack the basket.
When the Kings put out JT, Brockzilla and Tyreke on the floor at the same time, they become the Super Rebounding Squad, capable of cleaning glass on the tallest of buildings.
Brocktimus Prime. Our energy guy. Our David Lee. Our Louis Amundson. The Kings’ fan favorite. Loved his hard groin foul on CP3 that sent him to the ground. We’ve been needing a guy like this on our roster and I’m so glad he’s here. If he bangs and hustles the way he did against Brook Lopez and Kevin Love in the Pac-10, Kings fans will have another player to be excited about. I’m riding shotgun on this bandwagon.
Loved seeing CP3 give Tyreke major props after the game. I hope ‘Reke savors whatever encouragement CP3 gave him and remembers it when this season hits a low point…IF this season hits a low point.
Thanks to Coach Westphal, the Kings finally have a road map to where they need to be.
Bring on San Antonio. GO KINGS!
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Oct 31, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I"m not sure how accurate this is
but I heard that Paul told Tyreke after the game, that Paul felt sorry for Tyreke because he had to practice against Brockman. And, that he advised him to wear a bigger cup.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Oct 31, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL HT
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw two instances last night
in which I thought Tyreke was giving maximum effort. They both occurred on the defensive end. The first sequence was where after a foul was called, Reke lunged to strip the ball away from Paul. And the second was a Paul breakaway where Reke sprinted back to challenge a Paul shot. Paul was fouled by Mason, I think, on the drive.
Reke did a good job generally on defense last night—I just wonder how much better he can be when he really wants to—when he ups the intensity—‘beasts it’ as Thorpe would say. I can see how he earned the nickname ‘Too Easy’. And I don’t imagine that he is as good as he is without giving a high level of effort…but to me it looks like he could even be better given added intensity.
I think his ‘Too Easy’ nature is why many people think that he doesn’t look like a rookie on the court. Rookies generally look like they are giving maximum effort—often at the expense of smart basketball (so-called rookie mistakes).
I imagine he is getting a lot of imput to keep it slow and simplify the game…and that makes sense for a rookie PG, too.
by DustyG on Oct 31, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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