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Looks like the Knicks are getting rather desperate in their attempts to unload either Eddy Curry's contract or Jared Jeffry's contract.  So I chose to look into ways we can benefit from this situation by offering up K9's (Woof) expiring which they so covet for next year's free agent bonanza.  I have come up with the following trade which I personally would do immediately but I would like to get all of your input.

Star-divide

The Knicks trade Eddy Curry (1 year left on fat contract) and Wilson Chandler.

The Kings trade K9's expiring, Sergio's expiring, and Donte Green.

The reason one would do this trade is obviously completely centered around our individual evaluations of Wilson Chandler.  I view him as a certified NBA starter at SF with a lot of promise and potential.  He is only 22 years old, showed consistent defensive prowess, moments of offensive explosion (albeit in D'Antoni's system), and is an outstanding athlete.

On the flipside, we give up our 1-year rental on Sergio who would likely do well in a backup role with D'Antoni, we surrender our large K9 expiring to receive an even larger contract which expires in 2011, and lastly we give up our loved/hated Donte Greene.  I'm as enamored with Donte's personality and potential (keyword) as any of you, but it's clear that he will struggle to be a mid-to-high tier starting SF in the NBA - which happens to be what I consider Wilson Chandler, except Chandler's strength is defense and that is the clincher for me.

D'Antoni can likely gather some value from Donte and maybe even shape him into a productive player in that system.  Worst case scenario: this blows up in our face, and Donte consistently contributes while Chandler doesn't live up to expectations.  What that leaves us with would be no Donte, and one more year to wait for an even larger amount of money to work with in the offseason.  I admit I haven't looked into player resigning and etc to see whether we need money more in 2010 than 2011, but I view this as a rather low-risk, medium-reward trade.

In the end, it all comes down to your expectations of Donte's future in the league compared to Chandler, and whether the Maloof's can stomach a bloated payroll for one more year.  Thanks for reading this (I know most of you are completely sick of bogus trade talk), and I look forward to your feedback.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I would probably do this trade

Because I like Wilson Chandler. Talent wise I think we’d come out ahead on this trade, depending on Donte’s development.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 1, 2009 10:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kings won't do this regardless of Chandler

Because they don’t want to pay for Eddy Curry’s contract next year.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice job on a well thought out trade

but the thought of Eddy Curry in our locker room is terrifying.

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by ForThree on Nov 2, 2009 6:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I get the same sick feeling. With a team this young

having a guy like Curry could be kind of destructive… Say what you will about K9, he is not a bad influence on the team. Maybe not the most motivated guy, but he has been a class act in my opinion, going from being a starter on a playoff team to getting forced into semi-retirement without complaining to the press. If he has complained, I haven’t heard it.

Curry on the other hand… That could be bad. Maybe he’s a little more mature, but still… Yikes

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by tomroadrunner on Nov 2, 2009 6:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just send him home

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But - sheeesh! Yet another SF?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a question more than a comment

Does anyone think it would be better to just let k9 expire & make a run at Rudy Gay next year? I don’t know alot about Chandler & I wouldn’t give Gay huge money just maybe Kevin Martin money. With this economy you might even be able to get him for cheaper than that especially if the Griz use their high pick on a small forward.

by allbenji's on Nov 2, 2009 6:51 AM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

hahaha... yes.

I’m all about Rudy. All for him. Bring him in.

It’s not a popular opinion though, so bring out your knives… and by that I mean cunning arguments.

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on Nov 2, 2009 7:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot more likely to see

us let K-9 (woof) expire and not bring anyone (expensive) back. Much as we don’t want to hear that.

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by SavageBeast on Nov 2, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be ok with that I guess

Hopefully we can get a stud sf through the draft. But we will have to take bpa which might not be a sf & by that time Memphis talks with Gay might be sour so we might be able to get him on the cheap. Also we might already have our sf of the future in Caspi it was just a thoght because alot of teams are probobly goin to put all their efforts into the bigger named ’10 guys

by allbenji's on Nov 2, 2009 7:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

if we have cap space, good young players, and picks, it’s gives GP some wiggle room. Especially if attendance is up this year. All good.

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Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 2, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Evans-Martin-Gay-Favors-Thompson-Hawes

Let that sizzle.

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on Nov 2, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bacon, I smell Bacon

Would love some Bacon like that. Playoffs here we come.

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by HighTops on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want your Gay-Favors, thanks

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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 2, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I was sad to see them trade K-Love for Mayo last year

Gay-Love would have been hilarious.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 2, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad Christmas didn't make it

Too many great combinations with that name.

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on Nov 2, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

I think he’s the right kind of guy to consider. I’d need to learn more about him before I made a decision, he’d be on my list to consider.

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by ForThree on Nov 2, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bleh @ Rudy Gay

(This is not particularly in response to you though 4-3.)

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by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I second your Bleh

He has a lot of talent but its largely misused. Maybe thats just being in Memphis . . . (maybe)

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

I realize you said maybe, but what do you think the likelihood of that is?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I looked at his stats

I have very little interest. My thought was, we’d be real dangerous with another player that could create offense for others and play perimeter defense, but…he doesn’t seem to qualify on either count.

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by ForThree on Nov 2, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm shocked you didn't know that

But I’ll settle for being thrilled you know it now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy Gay has got to be on the top of the list

for any team looking for a young SF with all-star potential.

He’s the type of star talent the Kings need to add to become respectable again. He’s a brilliant athlete and natural scorer. I am not sure about his defensive prowess.

I think Geoff Petrie would love to acquire him. I have heard Jerry Reynolds speak very highly of Rudy Gay during broadcasts the same way he spoke of Tyreke Evans pre-draft.

The Grizzlies would be stupid to let him get away, but they drafted Thabeet so they are not exactly nuclear scientists in their front office.

by bench_blob on Nov 2, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't usually agree with you Blob but...

I see the long term weakness of this team at the small forward spot. This coming draft is full of talented big men but not so hot on small forwards. I like Casspi as a Rudy Fernandez type bench player right now. Once the Kings get a healthy Garcia back, the backcourt is set with long term commitments to Evans, Martin, Udrih and Franny. JT, Hawes and Brockman look like long term fixes in the post and add to them a top 5 power player in this years draft to round out the 4/5.

Sure Gay can be aquired as a free agent but I wouldn’t mind seeing a Noc, Greene for Gay and Jaric deal. The Kings might have to include a future lottery protected #1 but I think Noc would be a very nice next to Randolph, Conley, Mayo….

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by jjham15 on Nov 2, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't have 5 All-Stars at every position

The NBA doesn’t work that way. You gotta have the major stars, and the guys who allow them to be stars. It’s shaping up with Reke around that the SF spot will be more of a role player position. Funny enough, but that’s exactly what Donte Greene and Omri Casspi are. Jason Thompson projects that way as well.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like a role player at the 3 but...

It’s got to be a defensive guy who can bang the 3- Casspi maybe, Greene???. I’m also not sold that Hawes is going to be more than a role player at the 5, leaving the 3 a little more room for production.

You bring up the Reke effect and I wonder if his long term position isn’t going to be more of a small than a point or two. The lottery balls will dictate that I believe with a top tier talent like Wall sitting in the top 3.

No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.

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by jjham15 on Nov 2, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would the Kings select Wall if they had Evans?

BPA? Sure. They need more depth up front, and 2010 is a big heavy draft.

On the other hand, You say we need a defensive 3 who can bang. That is not Rudy Gay homeskillet.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Move Evans to the 2 or 3.

Wall, Martin, Evans, Thompson Hawes.

But I agree, the Kings really should sure up the post. My point with the defensive three was predicated on Hawes developing into a + center. If his development shows more of a complimentary player then Gay would make a lot of sense.

It’s too bad Noc seems to be a douche because he should be goo complimentary starter to Hawes, Thompson, Martin and Evans. Maybe he could be a better passer but I still think he should be in to stretch the D. Westphal really should have worked out this whole starting line-up/rotation thing before the games started to count.

No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.

-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)

by jjham15 on Nov 2, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it makes a difference

It’s not like Nocioni is going to be here long term if the Kings can dump his contract at the deadline. This is even more so given that Garcia returns by then.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But if they can't deal him...

He is a Kings for what amounts to 3 more years (plus an option). This isn’t a K-9 situation here, Noc should be starting given the current roster make-up. Casspi looks like a spark plug off the bench at the three so I’m not sure what Westphal is really doing here. Someone other than Martin needs to be in the game to stretch the D when Evans is on the floor.

No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.

-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)

by jjham15 on Nov 2, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well that's ultimately what May and Thompson (or Hawes & JT) do JJ

The reality is that Mason is good at getting to the basket, but that’s not really JT’s strength. So, it does work. You just don’t agree.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm ok with the Kings side...

If David Lee is involved (fat chance that will happen).

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by SayWhat? on Nov 2, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bleh say no to D-Lee

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dont like it at all

Not a worthwhile trade at all.

by Ichiban on Nov 2, 2009 12:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Unless the Kings get 2 draft picks in this deal, why? Plus, I’d make the Knicks take Nocioni away as well.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or Beno

Like this. Saves us money this year, saves them money next year.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 2, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay I could live with that actually

But there is not very high likelihood that they would do that. That’s giving up Toney Douglas (a guy they’ve effectively paid 5 million dollars for 2 seasons of—the 2 million they’re paying Toney and the 3 million they sent to the Lakers to buy Toney’s rights) AND Wilson Chandler plus bringing in Beno Udrih? I don’t see it Kfan. That’s 2 of their quality young talent (that they value), and that’s taking on Udrih’s long term talent to save them a little bit of money next off-season? If they have no talent they won’t get any major FA there anyway.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ay least they'd have a PG

that would be effective dishing to Bosh (who I believe will be there) and perhaps Wade. I don’t think they have a PG right now.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

But who is the Knicks PG?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

with

Too much sacrifice.

Personally I think the Knicks don’t deal any talent away unless it almost guarantees them the cap space to sign two top-flight free agents.

To do that, they’d have to give away Curry AND Jeffries. Earlier this summer I made a stupid trade scenario that involved taking back those two for Gallinari and Hill, but they’re not giving away Gallinari without a play-now player, and the Kings aren’t paying 30 mill for the rights to Jordan Hill.

It would be ridiculous to ask the Kings to pay Eddy Curry’s salary in order to get the rights to pay another player’s salary. Few players are worth paying that much for, and none of them are on the Knick’s roster.

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on Nov 2, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Bows to the deepness of IW's knowledge

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 2, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

NY wouldn’t do this, but this is the kind of return it would take for the Kings to take on Curry. So, no deal.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 2, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Knicks blew it

By not taking the Kenny Thomas for Jeffries and Robinson deal.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Nov 2, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can see the Knicks doing this deal….and the Kings should consider it. If the Knicks add in 3 million to the trade (max allowed) I would think the Kings would do it. We have to eat Curry’s contract, but with 3 million that is less to chew on. Basically, the Kings pick up Chandler for the 7 million dollars they have to eat on Curry’s contract next season….which I believe is worth it.

by Bellringer21 on Nov 3, 2009 9:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs


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