The front office would have rated at or near the top several years ago, but the Kings seem to have lost their touch since then. Horrific contracts for the likes of Beno Udrih and Francisco Garcia unnecessarily prolonged a salary-cap hangover from the glory days, one that would have been far worse if Bonzi Wells hadn't foolishly turned down a ridiculous five-year, $36 million offer three years ago.
Chad Ford and John Hollinger rate the Kings 28th in their Future Power Rankings, which predicts success in the '10-11, '11-12 and '12-13 seasons.
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There is some misinformation in there
The piece says the Kings won’t be under the cap until 2011, but that’s not right: the team is currently under the cap, will be $12+ million under the cap this summer, depending on where the cap line falls. (The $12 million figure is the most conservative estimate. And yes, $12 million was as much space as anyone had this past summer.)
Also, I think Evans will change the equation quite a bit, in that he (along with Thompson and Martin when healthy) give us a better current team than Ford and Hollinger give us credit for.
And if Beno keeps playing like this
His contract does not seem unreasonable at all.
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Neither one is all that bad
I mean not anyone is really a fan of the MLE contracts JP gave out but if that is the worst then I am okay with that. Garcia and Beno contribute to the team and team has a bunch of expiring contracts this season as well.
One thing about these type of write ups is they look at the roster and make decisions based on previous ideas. Like instead of seeing Evans, Casspi, Thompson, he would look at it and see May and K9 and make decisions.
I think you need to send your buddy Hollinger another e-mail
to talk some damn sense into him. Tell him to poke Chad Ford in the eye for me.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 10, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Thunder coulda had 19 mill if you believe Sham
And, I repeat, the Kings did not have cap room this summer. Link to Sham.
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I would also suggest...
…reading this history of luxury tax.
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The Kings did have cap space
and still do. The Kings are $3.4 million under the cap right now. Not a ton of space, but it’s not “no space” as Hollinger and Ford alleged. And next summer, it’s $12-18 million in cap space, which is quite a bit more than nothing.
I'll explain my position in awhile
How about that?
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e-mail him
and suggest a reporter should get his basic facts straight.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
I agree they are monetarily under the cap (as in don't have 57.7 million committed in contracts)
What I don’t agree is that they have cap space to spend on Free Agents. It’s why they still have their MId Level and Bi Annual exceptions available.
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Why would you want to have $3.4 million in cap space.....
…..instead of a $5.85 million MLE?
Had the Kings renounced all their FA’s and exceptions, not bothered with Rodriguez, and held back on signing Brockman, Casspi, Evans, May and Mason, they could have had a tiny dollop of cap space more than the value of the MLE this summer. But there was no need for them to do so.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Nov 10, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Yuh.
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For trade purposes
Pretty self explanatory. Although the mid-level crop was rather good this year (relatively speaking), it’s a huge boon to be able to take back a $14.6 million player for Kenny Thomas, and a legit $16 million player for Thomas + one of the cheaper assets (like Rodriguez).
Whose available
that you think the Kings will be willing to take back in terms of long term salary? Because I understand your point; it’s pretty basic after all.
On the other hand, I see the Kings wanting to move Nocioni more than wanting to move Thomas. And, I don’t see teams wanting to move those level of players you throw out “hypothetically”.
Next year, I would understand that POV. This summer? Not so much.
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The MLE can only be use for FA's
This is from Coon’s FAQ
MID-LEVEL SALARY EXCEPTION — This exception allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract equal to the average salary, even if they are over the cap
So, with the MLE you can’t sign any FA who make over the MLE which is equal to that years Player Average Salary. Where with Cap Space you can sign FA’s or use the cap space in a trade and take back more than you give away.
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He knows that HT
His point was a bit more complicated than that.
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I believe this picture is applicable to not only Grant Napear, but Chad Ford as well
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by Aykis16 on Nov 10, 2009 5:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nice use of the word "horrific" there
C-Webb’s (and in turn, Kenny Thomas’) contract was horrific. It’s debatable whether Cisco’s contract was excessive, but there’s no way it’s horrific, nor is Beno’s – even if he doesn’t continue to produce the way he has the last few games.
“Horrific” in my mind is a contract that kills your cap flexibility or vastly overpays a player in proportion to his talent. The one decent point is on Bonzi Wells though – unless there is something to that story we are missing, that would indeed have been an awful signing.
Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.
Beno's contract IS horrific
vastly overpays a player in proportion to his talent
Little known fact: That is actually Beno’s middle name. Beno “Vastly overpaid in proportion to his talent” Udrih. Has a nice ring to it. He’s played well the last few games, and if it lasts (not likely) then his contract will go from horrific to merely bad. Right now, it’s horrific.
Mmmm....negative Carl
“Horrific” is hyperbole. So far, it’s been a bad deal for the Kings. If Beno has indeed figured things out, it could end up being an ok deal.
“Horrific” should be reserved for the Baron Davis and Stephon Marbury type contracts.
Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.
holy sh*t
the Kings would still be paying Bonzi, and would only be in year 3 of a five year deal
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
You would be paying Bonzi instead of Salmons
So, yeah that’s a problem. Still, it is what it is.
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I am sure it is sobering stuff
if I could read it.
Anyway, their ultimate conclusion is way off. At the very least we are going to make some noise this season, and we will definitely be a playoff contender next season.
That’s what I like about Paul Westphal. He does not believe in the tyranny of low expectations. The culture of losing is fading, and that bodes well for our future.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 7:02 AM PST reply actions
Horrific?
Beno and Cisco’s contracts?
Is that all you’ve got?
Way to completely destroy any shreds of credibility you might have had with Sacramento fans. You’ve never believed in us, you never will, get this weak stuff outta here.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 10, 2009 7:11 AM PST reply actions
$6.95 a month to read Chad Ford?
Now that’s horrific.
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by section214 on Nov 10, 2009 8:05 AM PST reply actions 11 recs
Chad ford
I wouldn’t read chad if he gave me $6.95…The psychiatrist bills are gonna be way worse
Judgment day is coming!
Now, now Mrs. Chad Ford
I’m sure therapy will make things better. Maybe not his writing, or populist views, but… something.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
It never ceases to amaze me
The Kings’ roster has a few intriguing young players — Tyreke Evans, Jason Thompson, Omri Casspi and Spencer Hawes — and an established star in Kevin Martin, but several holes remain.
So the roster has 4 young up-and-comers, and one established star. Somehow this bodes poorly for the future.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Who's gonna be our 8th and 9th man for years to come?
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by Aykis16 on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
According to our contract quagmire
Beno, Garcia and Nocioni. Oh wait, that doesn’t seem like it would be too terrible…
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
You're right
ITS HORRIFIC
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I am officially nominating
Ford & Hollinger into the str douchebag hall of infamy.To go along with Peaches, Stephen jackson, & kanye west( not that kanye has anything to do with str or the kings but he should be in every hall of infamy there is)
by allbenji's on Nov 10, 2009 8:35 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Hollinger's alright in my book
It’s Ford I have a problem with.
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Agreed.
Most of the time I like Hollinger. I find the advanced statistics fascinating even if I don’t consider them definitive. If I have a complaint, it’s that sometimes he seems to force his evaluations to fit his preconceived notions rather than looking at the data from a purely objective standpoint.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
Ford's terrific at evaluating talent
And Hollinger is great at using statistical analysis to make a basketball point. What they don’t do very well is judge teams in context or understand trades/salary cap structures very well.
But, that’s my opinion.
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It should be noted...
had Sacramento’s front office drafted Rubio Ford would have had us rated second in his Future Power Rankings. And second only because he likes what the Knicks are capable of when Darko really starts to come into his own his tenth season.
by rbiegler on Nov 10, 2009 9:08 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
Since I don't get insider
What were the TimberLOLves ranked?
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by Aykis16 on Nov 10, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I cannot remember the last Kings draft pick Ford liked. Than again, initially Kings fans don’t like the draft picks either.
by bignerd on Nov 10, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL RB
You’re classic homez.
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Ahhh, the 10th season blooming!
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
It's Chad Ford and John Hollinger
If it was Sham or Larry Coon I’d be horrified. But, it’s not. (They might agree because Sham disagreed with the Cisco extension last year if you remember. Everything I’ve read of Coon’s doesn’t usually see him judging contracts in context.)
Still, look at the Wolves, Clippers, Warriors, Suns, Mavs, Hornets, and maybe teams like the Nuggets.
Anyway, not a biggie. Just a couple of national wieners proving that following a team from afar never provides the perspective that following a team up close & personal can.
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Just a couple of national wieners proving that following a team from afar never provides the perspective that following a team up close & personal can.
National Weiners:
I just stick will ball park
I’m not into the higher authority ’dog.
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with ball park^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I like my fatty high blood pressure cholestrol clogging hot dogs thank you very much
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Sounds like a negative to me
Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.
As far as regular dogs go, you can't beat a Nathan's dog when it comes to flavor and texture.
A dog’s supposed to have some bounce to it—it should feel like meat. With most other brands you could get away with not even chewing the dog, since they’re so soft. Nathan’s dogs explode with flavor.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
In other words, if you want a wiener to explode in your mouth with flavor, there's no better wiener than Nathan's
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Nope, not gonna do it
Someone else can take this one.
Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.
TWSS works best when a comment isn't intentionally sexual.
Mine was so blatantly crass that TWSS only degrades the experience.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
The Thunder are ranked 4th
behind Blazers, Magic, and Unnamed…. and as far as I am concerned they botched their draft pick by taking James Harden, shooting 35% and 5 points/ game so far. He may turn onto a fine player but he does not have start potential of T-Rek or Jonny Flynn. How do you pass on a player like T-Rek? Big dummies in OKC. And the Thunder are going down tonight, so obviously these rankings are total rubbish.
Harden will never be a Star IMO
I’ve never ever thought so. He may end being pretty good – but worth a #3 pick? No way. I’m not even convinced he should ever be a starter on a good team.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
The same night we beat lowly GS
OKC absolutely massacred orlando. I hope we pull out the win tonight, but there should be no doubt who the better team is.
Also, OKC drafted Harden because they already have a PG. He was far the best player available that filled a need.
Usually a mistake
He was far the best player available that filled a need.
and as I said – I disagree, the guy will be mediocre.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Whether or not he will be mediocre is not the question
- though I don’t think he will be. It is a question of comparison. If he is mediocre, then the rest of the non-PG class is downright laughable. Who else would you have chosen at that spot?
A PG
Thats what the draft had to offer at the top. It was a no-brainer. Most teams could use another PG on the bench and you worry about it next year or the one after what to do with your embarassment of riches.
It will be remembered as The Year of the Point Guards. You picked third and drafted a so-so undersized SG.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Plus everyone keeps saying Tyreke is a SG
So they picked Harden over Tyreke. Is Tyreke the SG<Harden the SG, now or ever? I doubt it.
I think the Thunder didn't want Evans because of Westbrook
They knew Evans would be less effective off the ball than Westbrook. If OKC had taken Tyreke, I’m not sure he would be as effective in OKC as he could be in Sac.
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No doubt
There should be no doubt who the better team is.
The Kings by a long shot. When was the last time the Thunder let two teams back to back by more than 15 points entering the fourth quarter?
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
"Lowly GS"
just massacred the even-lowlier T-Wolves. Nice to be able to look down on some teams for a change. Next stop: middle of the pack?
I may be a Pollyanna, but I think 13-15 wins is possibly for the Kings by the end of December.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
You may not be a pollyanna
but I am convinced you are a different person from last year.
I’m waiting for the coolcat “haha I sucked you in, all you idiots” post.
When are you letting the real coolcat out of the basement? :)
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Easy way to break down Fords thoughts...
-If the kings drafted Rubio there would be rainbows, puppies, and a bright future for the kings.
-Instead JP picks Evans so he talks about a Bonzi Wells contract that was never signed, salary cap hangovers, and horrific prolonging of dispair.
At least this is the trend I am picking up.
It's just like the proposed rankings before the season...
They just put all of the teams that played badly last season at the bottom and the teams that did well at the top.
These guys don’t even look at rosters. They ranked the Kings to be the worst team in the league this season because the Kings were the worst last season. There was no analysis or consideration given to changes made to teams. They just line the teams up in order, flip the two in the middle, and call it a day.
All of a sudden, with the T-Wolves, Nets, Clippers, GSW, Grizzlies, Hornets, Washington, Indiana, New York, etc. behind the Kings in standings, those guys are scratching their heads, because they didn’t do much thinking, and they still aren’t.
How are the Knicks better? They didn’t even sign any free agents, and barely signed their restricted free agents. LeBron will never go there.
The Grizzlies drafted Hasheem Thabeet. He’s averaging more fouls than points, rebounds and blocks, and Iverson is being a diva, like normal. Nice work Grizzlies, have they ever had a winning record?
Who is on the Hornets besides Chris Paul and David West? Luckily for them, Chris Paul is a god, but if he is injured, they are one of the worst teams in the NBA.
The Warriors don’t have a center now, with Biedrins out, and it sure showed against the Kings.
I could go on……
In any case, these guys are not taking into account the King’s success in the draft as well as how horrible the track record is for the other GM’s that are being ranked with us. The picture is not pretty in Sacramento, but at least we don’t have people on our message boards that are talking about boycotting the team like the Warriors…
by DirtyDribblers on Nov 10, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for truth
These guys don’t even look at rosters. They ranked the Kings to be the worst team in the league this season because the Kings were the worst last season. There was no analysis or consideration given to changes made to teams. They just line the teams up in order, flip the two in the middle, and call it a day.
Doesn’t matter the sport, the criteria or the question, 99% of national writers fall into this trap.
They are on-line right now having thier 'future' chat about this article
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FuturePowerRankings-Live-091110
Pound them with qyuestions if you like.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
Thanks but no Thanks
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I may not have any pride, integrity or self-respect
but I’m too good for that shit.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
I, on the other hand, am not.
But I am also chronically late to everything, so it is a moot point. The chat is over.
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by tomroadrunner on Nov 10, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
...
It’s interesting to me that when attacked from the “outside” the fans here go into defense mode, whereas when commenting directly on a particular move made by Petrie, the guns begin blazing. Let’s not forget, then, that a few games does not a Worthwhile Beno make, that Flaco is being paid probably 2-3 million in excess of his worth, and will be for awhile, that Desmond Mason happened, that Sean May happened, and of course, that Bonzi almost happened. Yes, of course Petrie has made some astute moves, but let’s not forget his puddinhead ways with FA signings.
My thoughts to the future: the Kings have a solid group of young players, and much like the Bulls of a couple years ago, will likely develop into a mid-tier, occasionally dangerous team. To be more, the Kings need stardom out of Evans and Thompson, good future drafts, and a healthy Kevin Martin.
Desmond Mason's non-guaranteed contract?
May’s (near?) vet-minimum contract? A contract that never got signed?
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/11/10/1124267/the-front-office-would-have-rated#
I fail to see how these are cap killers.
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I have
literally no idea how that link got in the middle of my post
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sactown
I don’t think the debate is whether Petrie has made some boneheaded signings (that’s pretty much agreed upon here) – it’s that you can’t use the word “horrific” to describe Cisco or Beno’s contracts. And as much as we could decry Petrie’s pursuit of Bonzi Wells, that deal never happened.
Who cares about Desmond Mason and Sean May? They are completely insignificant when talking about cap management.
Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.
If Beno keeps playing this way
some teams might come a callin’. Not sure I’d answer the phone at this point.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
True
Funny how things change so quick. Last year and last summer we would’ve gotten rid of Beno for pretty much anything. Now, we actually need to think about it. In the long run his contract is not going to be that bad.
The future begins now...
You mean this summer don't you
Wasn’t Beno top on the list of “Who will be this seasons whipping boy”, during TZ’s 30 questions.
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To be honest ed
The last 144 hours have felt like a whole month crammed into 6 days. It’s been a very long week in many respects.
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2 out of 3 ain't bad
To be more, the Kings need stardom out of Evans and Thompson, good future drafts, and a healthy Kevin Martin.
I think Evans and Thompson will be stars, and I think Petrie, assuming he’s still around, will do well int he draft. But hoping for a healthy Kevin Martin is probably stretching it and may not be necessary anyway.
Last year we won about 15% of our games without Kevin and about 23% with him. In other words, if he had played 82 games, we would have probably won 19 or 20 games instead of 17.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Last year should be thrown out for comparison purposes
No coaching, no chemistry – no hope. Those are factors that are hard to figure out in numbers. (Which is why I’m not a big numbers guy – though I understand why some find them fascinating while i just find them somewhat useful)
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
So let me see
we are going to remain “horrific” because of Cisco and Beno’s contracts. And because we are sooooo bad we’ll keep picking in the lottery every draft.
One of the best GMs in the draft + lottery picks for the next 3 years = 28th best team in the league? Right…
The future begins now...
Unfortunately
I think we’ll be drafting in the lower end of the lottery from now on. Which is fine if we keep getting players like Jason Thompson.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I think we need to add onemore solid pick (top 5)
and I think that could still happen this upcoming draft. After that one, i think we should eb ready to take off. Of course that’s me just being optimistic (about the taking off part)
I’m as excited as you about this team CC but I still believe 27-30 wins is our ceiling. That should be good enough for 5-7 worst record in the league. For some reason though I have this weird feeling that thos damn ping pong balls may fall our way next year. Remember this post next June
The future begins now...
Its a real conflict
I’d love another top 5 and I still think its possible as I don’t see anyone winning less than 20+ (maybe NJ) – but I want some Wins baby!
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
It's time for us to have a lucky lottery break, imo
maybe be 7th worst going in and land one of those top 3 spots. That’d go along way towards supercharging the rebuild.
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 10, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Think bigger, Kfan
10th to 14th worst record, then pull the biggest lottery upset in league history by getting the #1 pick in the draft. After the last draft, we’re do for some luck.
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You can argue that
But are you feeling negative about Tyreke Evans right now?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Of course not, just talking odds not personel
It wasn’t the lottery that got us Tyreke, it was the stupid FO’s in OKC & Memphis. Actually, we should have ended up with Flynn, so luck wasn’t a big factor.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
I dont think this team has a ceiling
and any ceiling will be self-imposed.
I think we can beat any team in the league on any given night, and I certainly didn’t think anywhere near that last season. So I look at your ceiling as my worst-case scenario. I think somewhere in the 30s is very doable, and I won’t be surprised by a higher total.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions
I agree that we can beat any team on any given night
but that’s true for every team in this league, don’t you think?
I’m not going to join in your optimism just yet, but I can definitely respect it. I think we can all agree this team is finally headed in the right direction and that’s what matters in the end.
The future begins now...
Nope
I agree that we can beat any team on any given night ,but that’s true for every team in this league, don’t you think?
I certainly didn’t feel that way last year. I don’t think Minnesota can beat the top teams. Memphis and GS, maybe, on a secial night.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
I see what your saying but some of those power teams take a special effort from us to beat them.
I think we’ll have an extremely hard time beating BOS, LAL, ATL, SAS and PHX. These are teams that have more than 2 all-star caliber players and are well-coached (or play cohesively at a high level). PHX is difficult because although they may be thin in the paint, they are the BEST at what they do offensively.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
I still think we're way too thin on the frontline
to win night after night. If, a big if, Donte’ comes along and can play the 4 respectably for significant minutes (defense young man!) my feeling may change.
I also think we may have trouble finding enough points on a consistant basis, Evans IS a rookie as is Casspi and we’d need a lot regularly from them, until KM/Cisco get back.
But the future is sure looking bright.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
We just averaged more than 110 a night for two games
without Kmart and Garcia, so I don’t see scoring as a problem. And I think Spencer and JT and out three big subs can be competitive with most frontcourts. There are not a lot of Dwight Howards in the league to contend with.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
There are Gasols, Bynum, Kaman, Oden and Al jefferson all out here in the west
All very physical ‘at the rim’ guys who can get you into foul trouble pretty quickly. I still feel May will get better as the season goes on, but if he doesn’t – we’re too thin at the 4-5 positions.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
But May isn't a Center
PF with a outside jumper, yes. But his length and hops don’t bowed well for rebounds. He has skill and size to his advantage, against similar type PF’s but bigger PF’s & Centers, and quicker PF’s like Green will limit his contributions.
JT is showing some post moves that weren’t there last season, but they’re raw and highly ineffective (missed his first 5 post moves in the GSW game). We definitely need another 4/5 with an offensive/defensive game, before we can move to being a contender. But, since that won’t be this season, we’ll have to do the best we can with what we have. The extra PT won’t hurt JT & Spencer.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
You can Live w/o a backup C
as most teams don’t have a decent one. Now, can you challenge for a Championship? Maybe, but only if the starters at the 4-5 or least one of them is dominant, and I don’t think we have dominant interior player. So that leaves being deep and versatile which we aren’t at this point either -
Wait – did I just end agreeing? I’m not sure. I do know we have agreed in the past that we need MORE in the interior. Even a Pryz type, a banger, would give us a chance against a good team.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Good luck getting Przy :)
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I totally agree Lie. A dominant big with back to the basket skills is crucial.
I’m not comfortable with either. When our mid-range and long-range game ain’t falling, the Kings are pretty much doomed. It’s not like we can dump it into the paint to get easy points.
I look at the true contenders to the throne: F*KERS, BOS and ORL and they all boast skilled bigs (as in plural).
LAL: Pau, Bynum, Odom and Mbenga (yes, the f*cker has really improved)
BOS: Sheed, KG, Perk (a bruiser who can fill the paint)
ORL: Dwight and Gortat (an decent 7 footer)
Not sure if Duncan and McDyess will have enough gas to compete in a 7 game series for the Spurs but I hope they can.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
I think Spencer and JT can do a good job
against all of those guys. And those guys aren’t on the floor for 48 minutes.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
We've only played one .500+ team
To think we can beat the top 10 to 15 teams in the league is highly optimistic and possible delusional. We are beating the teams that we should beat which is an improvement over last year. And, we have been competetive against team with equal records as ourselves. We may have caught Utah at just the right time, but I’m not so sure that we’ll have the same success the next time we play them which isn’t until the end of January.
We have 4 tough games after tonight. Houston twice, Chicago, and Dallas. A win tonight and one win in the following 4 games gives us a chance to end the month a game or two under .500. Assuming we continue to beat the teams we should beat. Oct & Nov are probably the easiest monthes on the schedule, so I’ll wait until we start beating or being competitive against some of the better teams before I go overboard on my perdictions.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Nov 10, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
I think we all have great reason to be optimistic, for a few reasons:
1) We’ve successfully made the transition from a marginally talented older team to a pretty talented younger team.
2) The coaching staff has a clue.
3) This team absolutely dominates other teams physically for increasing amounts of time in most games.
4) Petrie & Co. appear to have put themselves in a more flexible position financially to make trades down the road.
Having said that, this team is still going to take their lumps on a pretty regular basis. I know they have played well lately, but two of their most important (and still relatively young) players are hurt for an extended length of time. As you noted, the schedule has been somewhat kind so far. And the better teams are going to play better basketball for longer periods of time each game, meaning this Kings team is going to have to play at a higher level more consistently to beat those teams.
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by otis29 on Nov 10, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
True, but as the Jazz will be better by January, so will we. I think its' fair to say we can split the series.
I’m highly optimistic I admit but we really did match up with them pretty well. It pretty much comes down to most of our players performing at their full capacity. The power teams don’t have to do that all the time but we do.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
We play them 3 times, so I'm guessing that a split isn't possible
And it might be true that both teams will improve, Utah still has the better talent. Front court of Okur, Boozer, and Kirilenko vs Hawes, JT, & Noc. Martin should be back but Williams & Tyreke should cancel each other out. So it comes down to the benches.
Millsap wins over any big we have. So, it’s going to be a tough battle to win either of the next 2 games.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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