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The recent meteoric rise of the Kings to a record of 4-4 got me thinking.  In lietothegirls' entertaining post, pookeyguru made a comment about how there is no reason to believe that Paul Westphal has gotten through to the team this quickly.  My first thought was that pookey's statement was probably accurate.  Luckily for you, the reader, I have never allowed a reasonable idea prevent me from exploring a tangent in the complete opposite direction.

What follows is an unscientific exploration of ideas that cannot be proven true or false, only argued endlessly about.  I figure a few of us might be nostalgic for these types of arguments now that the offseason is over.

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Pookey's comment is that there is no reason to believe that Westphal has already gotten through to this team.  On the surface, this makes sense.  Westphal was hired June 10th, just over 5 months ago.  He was able to work with some of the younger members of the roster over the summer, and has only been working with the full roster for a month or two.  Hell, he's still trying to figure out what the starting line-up looks like, and has already given up on the Desmond Mason expiriment.

Pookey is right, there is no reason to believe that the team has had a chance to fully adapt to Westphal and his system.  Not yet.  No way.

And yet the team just won three straight games.  Without Francisco Garcia.  Without Kevin Martin.

Obviously the players have made strides since last season, and the additions of Tyreke Evans and Omri Casspi have helped the team considerably.

Nonetheless, it defies explanation.  Until now.  I present to you my random coaching theory, which includes giving credit to Eric Musselman, Reggie Theus, and Kenny Natt.  Before you throw your computer out a window, hear me out.  I promise I'm not giving them credit in the traditional sense of the word.

This roster has been devastated by inconsistency.  Rick Adelman was the last reputable coach of this team, and that roster bears little resemblance to the current team.  Martin spent two seasons under Adelman, Garcia one, and Kenny Thomas was here too but he doesn't really count.

Aside from that, this roster has been "coached" by Muss, Theus, and Kenny Natting Natt.  During the last three seasons, we often lamented that there was talent on this roster, and yet the wins could not be found.

My theory is simple.  My theory is that this team finally has a bonafide NBA coach, and we're seeing the difference.  This team had more talent than a 17-win team.  The team may not have had time to fully adjust to the system, but even something as basic as a knowledgeable coach can make this kind of a difference. 

So how do Muss, Theus and Natt get any credit from this?  Well, I think the coaching carousel broke down existing habits.  If a coach takes over for another experienced coach, he needs to get the players to buy into his system, and to move away from the habits of the previous system.  This takes time.  But as anyone who watched the Kings over the past three seasons knows, the Kings haven't had a system!  They're a blank canvas.  They're a block of unsculpted clay.  They were ready for a system.  So even if the new system isn't completely in place, there's something.

We'll see over the course of the rest of the season if I'm right.  I hope I am, but I don't know for sure.  This is just an idea.

Even if I'm wrong, I'll still enjoy the fact that right now we're .500, and that the team has played well enough for me to even consider such a theory.

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As usual, I'm an idiot

Got mixed up with the 3 in a row. Fixed now. Thanks.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 11, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reader's Digest Version

Our last few coaches have been so worthless, they didn’t teach any of the players anything at all! Hooray for Westphal having a pulse!

Sad because it’s true.

by rsheldon7 on Nov 11, 2009 6:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

This coach is focused and has a plan and is CLEARLY competent.

by mayfieldcol on Nov 12, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good direction

I like the direction the coach has our team going in. But I patiently await Westphal (and maybe Coach Carril) putting in more plays with much more motion and cuts.

by Sactobrother on Nov 11, 2009 6:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
more plays with much more motion and cuts

This roster was Made for it.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would also add to the fact that the players seem to have more respect for Westphal, where it seemed like they had no respect at all for the previous three coaches.

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Nov 11, 2009 6:36 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

…and I believe it is respect that has been earned by building trust, being honest with players about their situation, and having a consistent message.

by markdog333 on Nov 12, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

… it’s like any job. Why would you bust your ass for a boss you have no respect for or think is an idiot?

by henryclemente on Nov 12, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see individual growth & improved talent more so than improved schemes

We are 4-4 but 2 years ago we won 38 games. Is anyone certain that we’ll win 38 games this year?

Hawes got rid of the baby fat, and his defense and footspeed are much improved along with weakside help and shot blocking.

JT is developing a low post game, improved his use of his left hand, & improved his man defense enough to not always on the edge of fouling out.

Tyreke has brought defense go the backcourt. And, Omri has increase the strength of the bench, along with Donte’s improved energy and defense.

As far as team defense goes, I see improvement based on effort and talent, and not on System. We still don’t rotate well, or defend screens or pick & rolls well. Offensively, there is still too much Iso and too many people standing around. There are improvements in ball movement but they’re sporatic and inconsistant. And, late in games when defenses tighten up, we look lost. And, sometimes don’t even get a shot off.

Will PW get through to these guys? You bet. Quickly? Not,a chance. I think the defense will improve the quickest, but efficientcy and comfortably will take months. Look for improvement throughout the entire year, and next year too.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 11, 2009 6:39 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Quick story about coach Westphal

per Peaches aka the Scarlett Douchebag:

After the Warriors game in the locker room, PW went up to Omri and told him not to worry about the missed FTs. As a matter of fact, coach said tat he trusted Omri so much that next time there’s a technical foul in favor of the Kings, Prince Casspian would be the one taking it. Fast forward to last night, 3 second violation on the Zombie Sonics, in a close game Omri takes the ball from Beno and knocks the freebie down.

Westphal has shown me more in a coupe months that I ever saw from our last 3 coaches. That may not be saing much but he still gets a lot of credit for what the Kings are doing so far. He believes in these guys and I’m sure the players feel that and are responding to it. I loved how pissed he was after the Hawks game because he truly felt like we should’ve beaten that team and he knew his guys were better than what everyone expects them to be.

I don’t think Westphal has gotten through these guys yet, in terms of game preparation and strategies, but I think he has done a great job at earning their trust and helping them believe in themselves. Sometimes, especially for a young team, that’s as important as Xs and Os.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 11, 2009 6:44 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Thats a great story on Bestphal trusting Omri.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Nov 11, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

heck of a story edm7 (or whatever your name is ; ) )

This is a young team and Coach Westphal, St. Paul, Uncle PDub – is the right coach at the right time. Look at the difference there is against a very similar team – the young Warriors and the cold, confusing coaching Don Nelson is exhibiting. Look at the body language of the Kings players and the Warrriors. It says alot. Chaos v. Calm.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 11, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the same eduardo as usual

He just shortened his name bte. LOL

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I may ask

how would one go about doing that?

"Greg Ostertag is one of the finest centers in the history of Western Civilization." - Bill Walton

by submison on Nov 11, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I had to create a new account

I know there is an option to claim your old account but it doesn’t seem to be working for me. For all I know, if you want to change your name gotta create a new one

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 11, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw the claim account thing as well

I guess I’ll just have to create a new one. Thanks.

"Greg Ostertag is one of the finest centers in the history of Western Civilization." - Bill Walton

by submison on Nov 12, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know PG, just adding to the comments about his name change

hence the Forrest Gump emoticon. I want to call him Ed, he is such a mensch, (this Casspi thing is bringing back my NYC roots), but an avatar name is an avatar name.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 11, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That makes sense now.

Omri gave himself about 12 fist pumps last night over that free throw. It was mildly amusing to watch. I didn’t know why he was so happy for himself. Did anyone else see the fist pumps?

by BucksForever on Nov 11, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I chuckled over this too.

Hopefully the two missed ones last night won’t linger in his head either…

by ThePrince on Nov 11, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're a block of unsculpted clay...or dough

 to be manipulated and molded like Jell-O… Or cookie dough… Or Play-Doh.

Any kind of dough

by chancelot on Nov 11, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mmm... dough nuts

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Nov 11, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nicely put PG. rec'd

particularly liked

Tyreke Evans is a lot of things right now, but the one thing that is clear is that his basketball genius is effervescent….

Adelman is a player’s coach not an owner’s coach and so he has gone on to stamp his brand on the Rockets. His recent shining moments were the playoffs last season and the start this year for Houston.

Westphal may be getting more credit than he deserves – it is nature of the beast that all Coaches get either too much or not enough credit for wins and losses – but 8 games in, he has endeared himself to this ailing basketball community and for that, if nothing else, he deserves credit.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 11, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nicely put PG. rec'd

particularly liked

Tyreke Evans is a lot of things right now, but the one thing that is clear is that his basketball genius is effervescent….

Adelman is a player’s coach not an owner’s coach and so he has gone on to stamp his brand on the Rockets. His recent shining moments were the playoffs last season and the start this year for Houston.

Westphal may be getting more credit than he deserves – it is nature of the beast that all Coaches get either too much or not enough credit for wins and losses – but 8 games in, he has endeared himself to this ailing basketball community and for that, if nothing else, he deserves credit.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 11, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SBN does that sometimes

Don’t worry about it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now you tell me

I already put myself in my bunker.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Nov 12, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very good points

While I will concede that Theus and Natt probably tried to implement systems, but there wasn’t a clear system in place prior to this season. If this offseason, I asked you what style of offensive or defensive strategy this team ran, I think we all would have struggled to give any sort of definitive answer.

I think you summed up what I was going for very well with this line:


I agree that the coaching staff’s of the past 3 years set up Paul Westphal to look like a genius if something like this happened.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 11, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify for those wondering

I wasn’t trying to say that your premise is wrong. It’s just I had a bit to say on this particular point. (Shocking, I know.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To the original point, getting through to the players...

Clearly there are some things that PW has gotten through to this team.

That he is in charge. That he knows what his is doing and is to be respected. That you play more minutes when you play better. That everybody is valued for what they can contribute. That if you play the game he wants you to play you will be more successful. That if you do what he wants you to do the team wins more.

I think they may have some learning to do, but he is using these guys really well and they know it. He is a great tactician and clearly knows how to send his troops into battle.

I think that PW has gotten through to these players and this team.

by MustangMBS on Nov 11, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Westphal may have learned something from the Atlanta game

Don’t try to do too much or overthink the game. Let your players play and give them the confidence that they can rise to the occasion. Show the opponent different looks, but play the lineup you want on the court regardless of what the other team is doing. Reward good effort with more minutes. Put the ball in the hands of your best player in crunch time, even if he is a rookie playing his eighth professional game.

I think this Westphal’s clam, confident approach helped Beno contain Westbrook and Nocioni do a helluva job on Durant, no matter what the box score shows. It also kept Tyreke from fouling out.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 12, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree

I think he is inspiring confidence. I like that he came out after the last game and said Spencer is playing well. He isn’t, but clearly needs to have his coach’s support.

I think that it is a fine line to walk. Putting players on notice that they aren’t measuring up without breaking down their confidence. It seems that Spence had a bit of a rough time buying in, but may be now coming around. He may have lost his confidence a bit though.

Reminds me a bit of basic training in the military. You got to tear down the negates, keep the gems, and build from there. Not an easy task.

by MustangMBS on Nov 12, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes' defense has been very good

That doesn’t show up on the stat line.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

I was really thinking of his offense. He can make those 3s. He just isn’t hitting.

Maybe PW was only talking defense. Hawes has stepped that up.

by MustangMBS on Nov 12, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And I think this is a clear example of why PW has been effective.

Sorry to use you as an example Mustang but we are talking about your comment. Maybe you don’t see the little things that Spencer has been doing the past couple games but coach does. Spencer has been doing a good job at playing D, setting good solid screens, and being ready when the offense comes to him. Things like these don’t show up on the box score but Westphal sees that as great improvement.

I think this is all comes back to accountability and buying into what the coach expects from players. Maybe Westphal doesn’t need Spencer to fill up the box score, he just needs him to do the little things that he appreciates.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 12, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His D is much improved

I really like his weak side help and the blocks. They are really great. the block from behind on Krtic was Hawesome.

I do disagree that he has been ready when the offense comes to him though. He is putting up a lot of 3 point bricks. That isn’t being ready. He should make those wide open shots. We need him to do that.

That was really the gist of my thoughts. That his not starting and getting some feedback that he wasn’t performing well enough may have affected his confidence.

Just conjecturing. Something is clearly not clicking offensively, but it should get sorted out.

by MustangMBS on Nov 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree about the 3s

But it’s just as simple as the shot not falling right now. We know he’s capable of knocking them down and I think is part of the team’s strategy to drag the big man out on th eperimeter.

When I mentioned being ready I meant to say that he’s still trying to get position when the play is called for him, is being making the effort to finish better, and also has not complained one bit about not being as involved as some think he should be. He’s been doing the little things and pretty much just letting the game come to him.

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 12, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Which is why he is starting. He is stepping it up which is good to see. His shots will start falling and once they do this is going to be an even better team and make the lane that much more open for Evans.

by MustangMBS on Nov 12, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why they stopped hitting recruits

Found it may them too psychotic. Ah, the friendly, gentler US military.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I wasn't worried about it

We can still be bff’s

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 12, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean like these guys?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking about seeing them in Reno the day after Turkey day

pretty sure we’re going to do it.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While the coaching scheme is still a work in progress,

effort, teamwork, and willingness to take direction is something that can be instilled in a short time.

We have talented young players that want to be led. To not give PW credit for the change in attitude is ridiculous.

Keep up the good work PW.

by nothingbutnet on Nov 11, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Right guy at the right time -

One thing that Westphal has going for him is that he did not have to get buy in from tenured veterans. E-Muss and Theus both had to deal with rosters in transition, overpaid players that probably preferred to be elsewhere, and guys with their own agendas. I’m not giving these guys a pass, here. A good NBA coach overcomes these things. But the fact that the roster has been blown up definitely works in Westphal’s favor.

That said, I don’t know if Avery Johnson, Flip Saunders or Eddie Jordan could have come in and had this sort of impact on the team and the fans. Maybe they could have – I really don’t know. But Westphal has certainly exceeded my expectations.

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by section214 on Nov 11, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good point about bringing other coaches section

After these past couple games, would we prefer to have Eddie Jordan or Kurt Rambis?

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify

Meant to ask if we would prefer any of those two to Westphal. I certainly wouldn’t

The future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 11, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we're saying that by the end of the year

I think it’s pretty clear. Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point about Jordan Saunders & Johnson

I’m not sure they have the same effect.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson seems too high strung

He may have had them off to a better start, but they probably would have turned on him by the end of the year.

by markdog333 on Nov 12, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A clean slate

definitely helps, and without Kevin and Cisco playing, it is truly a clean slate. This isn’t to debate their impact when they come back, but to state that the remaining roster is almost completely new folks with three or less years experience with the Kings or even in the league. And they and Westphal are benefiting from the fresh start.

The biggest thing Westphal has brought the the table, in my opinion, is a refusal to accept losing easily. He doesn’t expect to lose, and in any case if he’s going down it’s going to be with a fight and maximum effort, and anything less is unacceptable. He’s fortunate to have some good kids who like to work hard.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for the last paragraph

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still really can't tell you what PW's offensive and defensive schemes are

but I can tell you this: He has created an environment where these moderately (mostly) and a few very talented players feel comfortable to play their hardest and to trust each other. Westphal is clearly comfortable in his own skin, he seems to be treating his players with respect, he is learning their strengths and weaknesses and utilizing their strengths to improve the team.

His resurrection of Beno’s, K9’s and particularly DontĂ©’s careers is the mark of a true professional. He is not washing the team’s dirty laundry in public even though I’m sure he and Ă© had some pretty strong heart to heart discussions behind the scenes. He is rewarding hard play with more minutes and not pulling the kids at the first sign of a mistake. He is making the players accountable for their performance without injecting an over riding ego. He knows the team is all about the players and not about the coach.

I’m sure his basketball knowledge is very good but I’m guessing that the team’s turnaround to date has more to do with his people skills than his x’s and o’s. He doesn’t seem to have an agenda other to turn the team into winners and to become the best basketball players they can and to turn this group of very young players into a team that if they do nothing else, win or lose, leave it all on the court every time they play.

So far, everything I’ve hoped for. Nice post G, thanks.

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by Bluejohn on Nov 11, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

For perspective

They are really complaining about Eddie Jordan at Liberty Ballers about how he doesn’t play young players.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2009 10:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He has veterans

We don’t

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PW is playing his veterans

But your point stands.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beno has been the glue

Beno kept asking to run the pick and roll where he gives it up at the high post to a big and then comes around a screen to get the ball with his dribble, from there he runs the pick and roll where he is comfortable spotting up, driving, runner, or feeding the big or the wings. He literally describes this in some interviews and begged Theus and Natt to run it like the Spurs but they wouldn’t run it that way. That was the “system” I saw work last game – Tyreke is still running his “dribble-drive” Calipari concoction that looks a lot like one on four and kick out as a last resort.

I’d love the Kings to model themselves after the Spurs (we obviously don’t have the stars or low post presence of Duncan but the unselfishness and workmanlike nature is what I’m starting to see.) I think the biggest PW effect has been believing in playing willing defense and not having Kevin has sadly, really helped. Even his game against OJ Mayo was overblown, he still gave free passes into the lane much of the first half.

At least Al Davis isn't running my team's drafts.

by bringbackbuddytrees on Nov 11, 2009 10:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Westphal has been great.

Thus far Westphal has set a platform from which his players can succeed. His impact is the main reason the Kings have turned for the better.

by amonk81 on Nov 11, 2009 10:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or we could look at the glass half empty

And think that maybe Kevin Martin is the latest entry in the Patrick Ewing theory…:) Naaaah

by Bitgod on Nov 11, 2009 11:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm assuming The Westphal has more dedicated guys then his predecessors

It takes the extra umphhhh from the players to not coast on their talent. Some like Greene didn’t get it until playing time wasn’t guaranteed.

by Kevin.S on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what kind of guaranteed PT did Donte get a year ago?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you lost me when you gave credit to muss, theus and natt...

just kidding. the biggest difference, i think, is westphal is creating competition for playing time, being honest with the players, and giving them a chance to play (given the match up and performance of the invidual player.).

"When talent is roughly equal," said Westphal, "the competitive guys win. You have to have that in this league. Here's a perfect example: We (the Phoenix Suns) drafted Tim Perry and Dan Majerle the same year (1988). Now, if you get a stopwatch for down and back (baseline to baseline sprint), Tim Perry was faster than Dan Majerle. That's a fact. But if you had them race, Dan Majerle won. I can't explain it. Somehow, he had that drive, that fire, something inside him. If you have enough guys like that, your team starts winning again."

by kingsbruins02 on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm liking Westphal so far

How long of a contract is he signed to? For how much?

by KingsFan on Nov 12, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Coaches are ultimately judged by wins and losses

Paul Westphal will be no different. He will have the advantage of taking a woefully underperforming 17 win team and bringing them to some form of respectability.

The usual suspects will be in play: talent, attitude, injuries, matchups, media, fans, owners, politics.

Where Coach Westphal has so far exceeded expectations (we are fans, it is a given that our expectations are unreasonable) is his ability to display charm, calm, patience and hope. The wins help – they supply breathing room and give the grace and words credibility. If the Kings were 1-7, 2-6 the frustration level changes from hand clapping to hand wringing. It helps that he is obviously a nice guy.

The team is young, the season is young and like all relationships, it is easy to smile when things are going well. It is adversity that determines the strength of this marriage. Let’s see what there is to say when the darker days that will inevitably come, arrive.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 12, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

“The team is young, the season is young and like all relationships, it is easy to smile when things are going well. It is adversity that determines the strength of this marriage. Let’s see what there is to say when the darker days that will inevitably come, arrive”

Well said.

Also we should not forget that Tyreke is a rookie and the length of the NBA schedule will probably take its toll on him at some point.

by PWfan on Nov 12, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you were PW, I would say...

Glad to have you here PW. You got some fans here. We really like what you are doing with these players.

You deserve a lot of credit for getting these guys to give it their all. It is good to see the intensity and effort. The fans didn’t stop coming to the games because they stopped being fans. They stopped coming because the team stopped trying to win.

This is a forum with a wide array of people. Like all of the internet there are sharp smart people and complete bonehead. Mostly here, it is the former. People in StR really know the game and take it serious. If you want unvarnished and clear opinions of fans this is the place to come. You may have to just dig for the nuggets a bit.

Oh and please please please get the guys to run some double screen late in the fourth quarters when the D of the other teams tighten up. Get them moving and then have Evans drive and kick or have Beno do his little pull up shot. Movement really is the key. It is stalling a bit in the 4th…

Kicking butt during the next game would be great as well… We have faith in you and this team.

by MustangMBS on Nov 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He's begging them I think (sigh)

rec’d

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 13, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well hell

If you got a PW fan that becomes an StR member a week before PW accepts the job then that person likely is pretty close to PW. Might have the ear of PW himself.

Not that my begging and pleading will likely mean much, but damn it is hard to watch some of those plays in the 4th where everybody stands around.

by MustangMBS on Nov 13, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff PWfan

Great stuff. You touched on a lot of great points about the treatment of players and how it didn’t work well for him at Seattle (Sam Amick mentioned something along the same lines about his lack of success at Pepperdine in his Bee chat today).

I doubt i’m alone, but one of the best thing about StR is that all viewpoints, reasonably put forth, are always welcome. Your opinion, thankfully, is no exception.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the Bee Chat I was referring to.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs


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