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Another Way to Live: Kings Beat Rockets 109-100

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by Rich Pedroncelli - AP

In his post-game comments, Houston coach Rick Adelman blamed a lack of first half defense for the Rockets loss. Obviously, he's right: the Sacramento offense hummed through the first half, especially in the early second quarter.

But a big factor was also the Kings defense -- or Houston offense, depending on how you look at it -- as Sacramento held the Rockets to 37.5 percent shooting in the second quarter, and 31 percent shooting in the fourth.

For the full game, the Kings were able to finish with an above average offense (109 points in 96 possessions, for a 113 offensive rating) and an above average defense (104 defensive rating). Against a good team likely to make the playoffs. Despite a bad performance from the starter with the biggest advantage on paper (Spencer Hawes) and no real stand-out bench scoring efforts (though Ime Udoka had a quiet 10). It was about the least fluky performance imaginable.

Even if the most important shots were an Andres Nocioni leaning shot clock beater from 21 feet, a Tyreke Evans stepback 22-footer, and a Tyreke Evans shot clock beating bank shot from 22 feet.

Star-divide

As expected, Jason Thompson attacked the offensive glass. He did most of his damage early: seven of his nine offensive rebounds came in the first half. But that sort of damage is extensive: JT had as many offensive boards as the entire Houston roster, which is not just high praise for Shock, but for Spencer Hawes (seven defensive rebounds, nine overall in 27 minutes), Evans (six defensive boards), Kenny Thomas (six defensive boards in 19 minutes) and Nocioni (six defensive boards in 27 minutes). The Kings did excellent work keeping the Rockets -- a top-10 offensive rebounding team -- off the glass. It's really an amazing turn of events.

The shooting surplus -- the Kings shot an effective field goal percentage of .531, but are at .488 on the season -- isn't sustainable. The Rockets shot well below their season average, despite quite a few open looks from deep late in the game. I thought Beno Udrih played solid defense for Beno Udrih; at the same time, Aaron Brooks went 4-of-13 because he missed some fairly clean looks, not because of the Kings defense. Give credit to Hawes (who despite an overall miserable game rotated well in help defense), Udoka (a ridiculously sound ball hawk) and Thomas (never caught out of position on defense) for keeping the Rockets from piling on lay-ups ... but don't expect that to happen every night.

I'm pretty amazed at how balanced the offense has been without Kevin Martin. That's not a commentary on Martin -- if you're Kevin Martin, you should be taking 30 shots a game -- but more on Evans, who hasn't taken over the offense to the degree some young stars (think O.J. Mayo, Russell Westbrook) would. You sense some occasional discomfort between Evans and Udrih -- where one has the ball in the offense and the other really calls for it despite not being in scoring position -- but it hasn't affected the game to this point. Where the Martin absence has affected the offense most is in getting lots of shots for Thompson and the small forward, now Nocioni, who surely should be shooting the ball more frequently than Desmond Mason did. Thompson ended up with 20 shooting possessions (15 FGAs, 10 FTAs) against Houston, and Evans had 18, Udrih had 15, Nocioni had 14 and Hawes had 12. Compare that with Houston's so-called five-man symphony, which saw Ariza with 23 shooting possessions, Scola with 18, Brooks with 14 and Battier with 12. The Kings, who have a clear Alpha right now, were more balanced than the Team of Balance. Pretty impressive self-control by said Alpha. Solid judgment.

Udoka is just about perfect for this team. You wish he had a touch more skill handling the ball, but you could say that about every defensive specialist in the team (Battier included). To have a player that strong able to play shooting guard off the bench ... it's something different than Dahntay Jones gave Denver last season, but similar. It's a boon. Udoka's acquisition is looking brilliant right about now.

5-4. One game over .500. Seventh in the West, a solid third in the Pacific (ahead of those resurgent Clippers). It's the stuff of dreams. Dreams only Kings fans could have, I grant you. But dreams nonetheless.

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I love this team.

It’s so nice to see exciting Kings basketball again. Last year was so painful to watch.

You gotta love ‘Reke. I personally think he could be the next Dwayne Wade.
You gotta love JT. The man is developing like a freak and is gonna have double doubles based on offensive rebounds alone.
You gotta love Beno…just cause he doesn’t play like shit anymore.
You gotta love Noc and how he takes the ball to the rim all the time.
You gotta love Donte for finally figuring out he has what it takes to be a star.
You gotta love Omri and his wonderful stroke from 3.
And you gotta love the role players like Udoka, Brockness and k9, who are doing their jobs this year.

GO KINGS!

"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

by mvhsbball on Nov 14, 2009 8:13 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Before this winning streak I completly agree Martin should take 30 shots per game.

Now I wouldn’t mind if that number is slightly lower (around 20 shots). When he gets back he’ll still be one of the biggest scoring threats, but there is something to balanced scoring. I’m not quite sure what is involved mentally when a team loses their best player, but whatever that “something” is I would hate for it to be lost when Kev gets back.

I do agree that the rotation change is one of the culprits to why they are playing better. Would they have been playing just as good if Martin never got hurt? Obviously we’ll never know for sure, but there is something that could be said about players psycholgically playing more intense because of losing there “go to” guy.

I don’t mean to over analyze the situation, and whatever the reason they’re fun to watch. It is interesting to think about the mental aspects of what makes a team good, though.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Nov 14, 2009 8:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good points

PW said, in the post game interview, that JT is getting all the rebounds and you clearly show that isn’t quite accurate. Everybody was great on the glass. Also, having everybody contribute to the scoring is nice to see. Those low post moves of JT are really getting there…

One of the interesting aspects of the game that seems to have escaped the analysis I have read is about JT fouling. PW said that he is figuring out how to stay in the game. The number of fouls have gone down, but a lot of that is because of Evans defense. Opposing guards used to blow by and get to the paint way too easy. I think that it still happens with Beno way too often, but it is nice to see these other, less mentioned, improvements due to Evans.

Hawes also mentioned, during his interview, that he has lost confidence in his shot. This really sucks, cause he can score way better than he is doing. I guess may point is that this team has some ways to go to improve and get even better than they are now.

I am thinking my projected number of wins is not high enough. I think I had 27-29. Martin and Garcia comes back, Spencer finally finds his shot, and it should be much better.

by MustangMBS on Nov 14, 2009 8:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I am watching the game this AM, DVR-ed as I left after the 1st Q. Evans is a wonderful defender

Udoka helps a lot and it just opens up the rest of the game so much. It has helped the rebounding because guys are in better position to board, JT and Spence are not flying to cover penetration, K9 and Noce can play man defense (as opposed to help defense).

Evans is the bomb.On offense he can drive and kickand his shot will improve, but it is his defensive prowess that has been a HUGE upgrade this year.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to reply to myself (the PG addendum)

IMHO, if you are watching the Kings on offense you are missing the impressive defense of this team. In particular, I will repeat broken record style – Tyreke Evans is superb.

This kid is 9 games into his rookie season and he is far and away the leader on the defense for this Kings team. I project him to eventually be on the All-NBA defense squad. He is that good, he deserves recognition.

We bandy about the PG verbage on Tyreke – it is as cute as it is irrelevant – and argue about the point guard on offense. What about the point guard on defense. The person who initiates the defense, quarterback’s the defense? Tyreke is that guy.

I will quiet the man love now.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell no!

Don’t be quiet. Tyreke is the real deal. Man love, fan love. He deserves it all.

I just watched some highlights that ran on KCRA and that play where he spun and then ran on throw three defenders is the stuff that gets all the attention. It gets people interested in Evans, but you are spot on about his D.

This kid plays defense so well that it is pretty damned remarkable. He is All NBA D squad bound for sure. Good call. His stopping penetration is really keeping JT out of foul trouble. JT got a couple stupid fouls and game and that has improved, but the truth is that the other penetration fouls have gone way down as well.

And despite all that offensive prowess, that genius on the floor that is so clearly evident, this kid shares that ball and dishes really nicely. He isn’t out to score at the expense of others. He is out there making others better by setting them up for sweet shots.

What is there not to love?

by MustangMBS on Nov 14, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin doesn't take 30 shots a game.

For the last two season kevin has averaged about 15 shots a game.

by spencerslover4eva31 on Nov 14, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Actual shots must be higher when you consider missed shots resulting in FTs

I have never thought Speed took too many shots (over the course of a season that is, he has had games that he took more than I would care to see) but his average shots per game must be higher than 15.

by BrooklynFan on Nov 14, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Talking about this season

About 27-28 per game this year, including FT trips.

by Ziller on Nov 14, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Free throws not included

shots per game are counted based on on FGs only because they come within the teams possesions. Free throws are just extra shots. For example, last night Jason Thompson was 9-15 FGs and 9-10 from the free throw line. This does not mean that Jason Thompson took 25 shots last night.

by spencerslover4eva31 on Nov 14, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

t means he had 25 shooting possesions

Which is what Ziller is talking about.

by hlebtasic on Nov 14, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You do not understand

Two FTs is a shooting possession, ignoring and-1s and tech shots.

by Ziller on Nov 14, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to StR, Brockman!

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Nov 14, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This team

has already exceeded my expectations. I figured they’d be a young team learning a new system with some growing pains …. but man, they’ve impressed me. I don’t care that they won’t make the playoffs this year, it’s going to be a fun year if they keep this up …. and after last year, that’s all I ask for!

by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 8:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Don't be so sure.

Right now the Hornets, Jazz, and Thunder are under us as teams contending for that 7-8 spot in the west, and we have had good games against all 3…2 on the road. Don’t be so sure that the kings won’t make the playoffs when the teams under them are teams we are just as good as at the moment.

Hope

by Ultrakingsfan on Nov 14, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

just trying to temper my expectations.

by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if they

end up with 27-30 wins, I’ll still be happy.

by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that is a sensible switch in your balloon to air from helium

and remember, this team has us on pins and needles. The road (trip) looms ahead.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said

that they were great or anything … I just said they exceeded expectations. Anything wrong with that?

by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am with you. it is a pleasure. As a tried and true Kings fan I am discounting goodness. My bad.

I needed that slap – sometimes I put the fuddy in fuddy-duddy. Go Kings! Enjoy the high while there is high to enjoy.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed with everything but the KMart comment

He doesnt need to dominate the shots. When’s he’s out, the team relies more on each other and you see what happens. Everyone is focused, scoring, playing D. We become a fun team to watch. When he’s in, things slow down, he constantly looks to get fouled, other players get tired of running around knowing they wont get the pass. The team breaks down.
Could the same chemistry happen with Kevin in game? Sure, if he suddenly decided to start passing and adding a few more assists to his stats—as well as playing tougher D and getting his frame through/around screens, etc. Reke and Kevin seem capable of the same big points every night, except Reke’s slashing breaks down entire defenses, then kicks out, or finds someone cutting to the basket. Reke’s D wreaks havoc.
Martin’s slashing typically involves him using his speed to jump into an opposing player and fling the ball up. And he is getting better at steals, but thats still a risky proposition.

by VirginiaBlue on Nov 14, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Prove it

Has anyone, who has ever played with Speed complained that he was hogging the ball? The only player who I have ever heard complain about Kevin’s possessions was John Salmons last season and his complaints were quickly refuted by Bobby Jackson who asked how you could not give Kevin the ball when he scores as efficiently as he does.

Please provide evidence of your claim that “other players get tired of running around knowing they wont get the pass.”

by BrooklynFan on Nov 14, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No one is calling Speed a ball hog

Don’t take that as an insult to Speed. If anything that is a complement. It is an acknowledgement of how talented of a scorer he is.

About his defense, even with his gambling, he is able to stay in front of his man much better this year. As far as i’ve seen his biggest weakness on the defensive end this year has been his size…or just of mass. I think it was the Atlanta game specifically where Joe Johnson was able to create separation with contact and knock Martin back a little bit.

by markdog333 on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

correction

“…or just lack of mass.”

That’s it. I can’t type anymore. I’m outta here.

by markdog333 on Nov 14, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Insult or not is not what I question

I question the integrity of the statement I quoted. To say that other players “know” they won’t get the pass and thus “get tired of running around” is a statement of fact regarding the thoughts and feelings of other people, in this case people directly affected by the actions of the person whose play the author, VB, is questioning. The problem with this statement is that the players VB reports to be feeling left out of the offense have never gone on record saying anything of the sort. If VB happens to know the Kings players personally and has had discussions with them about being tired of running around because they know they won’t get a pass, then please VB, give us access to this new found knowledge. Otherwise, the statement is conjecture of the worst kind, the author’s own opinion disguised in the falsified opinions of others directly involved in the matter to validate the author’s point of view. The practice is intellectually dishonest.

Now if someone wanted to actually evidence that the offense is less effective when Speed is in the game then he should probably start by doing an offensive efficiency breakdown for when Kevin is in the game versus when he is not; could be an in game breakdown or a game to game breakdown. Last season would even be a decent place to start since Speed missed a lot of games. But to pitch the argument in the manner VB did simply dumps him in the Speed Bashing bin of irrelevance.

by BrooklynFan on Nov 14, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not really sure why

When someone agrees with most of the people on this site, nobody asks for “evidence” or “proof.” The opinion is just fine. But when someone contradicts what you think, you need “proof.”

There is no proof about most of the opinions posted here. That’s why they are opinions.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Critic or a fan

High Tops should weigh in here. VB has a hate on for KMart and is a critic. Not a fan is this respect.

I think it is fair to question opinions that are really biased. He/she clearly blames KMart for the ills of the team and refuses to consider anything that contradicts that perspective. There are lots of arguments that can be made that refute VB’s position that do not even call for stats or evidence. It does no good. VB has an irrational perspective that no amount of common sense, stats, or arguing is going to change.

I used to be like this about Beno. I blamed him for a lot of last year as he really sucked major. The first part of the season i saw the same old Beno come out to play. God I thought it was going to be a major drain. Even when he played good it took me a long time to see that, maybe, I was really out of touch with things. I have come around and appreciate Beno now. I even see that the lack of plays called and poor coaching of last year are more to blame than him.

VB needs to have the same realization, but isn’t even close to there yet. VB has an irrational and unreasoned hate of KMart and the only thing that will change that is a willingness to listen and be more even handed.

I haven’t seen that yet.

by MustangMBS on Nov 14, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the VB being a hater part

I did see some of the possessions that he was probably referring too where Speed had the ball and everyone else just kind of came to a stop waiting for him to make his move. My interpretation of those possessions are obviously a little different than VB.

I have a bad habit of only partially reading posts.

by markdog333 on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see it this way

If you agree it’s because you are both seeing the same thing, the same stats, the same facts. If you are disagreeing is because you’re seeing something different and I would ike for the other person to explain me why I’m seeing something different. Maybe I AM the one missing something. I want to learn too, and want the other person to do the same thing. Is that too much to ask?

With that, I’m actaully done with the topic

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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you a Lawyer?

You made your case, as far as I’m concerned. VB is found guilty of intellectual dishonesty.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 14, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, to repeat myself ad nauseum, all my posts are pure opinion. or HOW I SEE IT

from WATCHING the Kings, not studying stats. This is armchair enjoyment for me, not math homework. If I was getting paid to write for the Bee, sure I’d play with numbers all the time.
Here’s an exercise for you: when you read something i write like, “When he’s in, things slow down, he constantly looks to get fouled, other players get tired of running around knowing they wont get the pass.” and that really gets you steamed—try putting a [To me, it looks like] in front of every one of my sentences. Then you won’t be confused as to whether I chat with players regularly and you can save the intellectual dishonesty lecture for your kids, or your homeroom if this is a pre-teen.

And I don’t “hate” Kevin Martin, I just question whether the Kings would not be better with him in a more limited role. To me, watching them every game, it looks like the other players stand around and watch Kevin because they know he’s gonna shoot or run into his defender. I imagine it would be tiring to keep cutting when you know the guy with the ball is a career 1 assist a game guy who cranks a bunch of shots. Just glancing at stats, Kevin’s USG rate or whatever is around 30 percent—so I guess that means nearly a third of the time, he’s dominating the plays run. If I even understand that stat.
If I had to guess (from NBA experience) why he holds the offense so much—When your top paid player is known primarily for his scoring, and indeed that is what he can do best, he will continue to do this because he is convinced that is his role. And stats bear him out. But why is it that when we get balanced scoring and good D, we start winning? All just coincidence that JT and Reke are playing better, or line-up changes, and Udoka? Maybe so. But the biggest single thing to happen to the Kings has been Martin’s injury. Fact.

In Kevin’s case, I’m not so sure he doesn’t find others simply because he’s not a good passer and doesn’t see the court as well as he should. If he does trust his teammates more and changes his role, more power to him. I think the Kings will be better for it.
 Yes, his offensive numbers have gone up each year with his increased minutes. Yes, he is capable of scoring 30-35 pts a night. Does that make him a great player? For some. Great offensive force for me, but great all-around player like Evans will be? No.
I simply haven’t seen the strides in other areas of his game for a 6-year player to be called great. And I think with him and Reke in the backcourt, then you have two guards who are both inclined to score and go to rim (though Reke could prove me wrong, he’s already a much better passer/creater/finisher than Martin). And my old school opinion is that playoff teams should have a good quarterback who looks to facilitate first.

Call me a hater critic to your heart’s delight. I said before I think the Kings are better with Martin; I certainly think Reke can play point (though he is prob better suited at 2) but I think down the road, maybe next year or year after, Kings will have to make a decision about Martin. And right now, I much prefer watching the Kings when he is not taking 25-30 shots or however many and dominating the offense.
Who knows, when he comes back—maybe Ill be proven totally wrong. If we’re winning I won’t care. If we go into a tailspin, then all the debate will fire up again about them playing together.
I hope it does work. I dont particularly care if its Beno or Kevin in there as long as the other players get theirs and we keep getting Ws. And again, I think it all starts with D.

by VirginiaBlue on Nov 14, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well as a critic: you're a hater (actually you're an idiot but who counts?)

This is my favorite statement:

And my old school opinion is that playoff teams should have a good quarterback who looks to facilitate first.
Old School teams like who? The Lakers? Nuggets (Check.) Spurs? Rockets? Blazers? Hornets? (Check.) Mavs? (Check.) Jazz? (Check.)

Let me get this straight. You want the Kings to get a player as good as Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul or Deron Williams? Shit man, where do I sign up for that? (Except Kidd. He’s too old now. Billups too.)

You want better defense for the Kings, but you spend an entire paragraph talking about Martin vs Evans, and what position Evans plays OFFENSIVELY.

You’re so stupid that you don’t even realize what your criticisms imply. Your opinion isn’t old school. It’s stupid, incomplete, and ultimately pointless. The NBA is not college basketball. When you recognize that, you might be a lot happier.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pookey, Pookey, Pookey

Please don’t stay off the meds for long.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why they're so much fun?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KMart and the team will adjust to eachother

Both things that you mentioned were true at times in the first couple games. Part of it is probably lack of trust in the other players, and part of it is probably the other players wanting to see what he does. The lack of trust is just that he doesn’t think the players around him are good, it is just that he knows he can score or create a free throw opportunity on any possession. He will just need to pick his spots a little better and learn to assert himself on offense more when the team gets in a lull. I would have loved to have had him out there in the 3rd quarter yesterday.

It is kind of the same thing that Jordan needed to learn.

And like you said, it is hard for the rest of the team to keep playing hard and executing on offense if they do not believe they are getting the ball back.

by markdog333 on Nov 14, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

correction

…that was supposed to be “The lack of trust isn’t just that he doesn’t think the players around him are good”

what a difference a couple letters can make in meaning

by markdog333 on Nov 14, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%

Think of Peja in the Kings great years. Just the fact that he is out there waiting to burn you requires one guy hawking him and usually one guy waiting for the drive. K-Mart is suprisingly fast off the dribble. I can’t wait to see how it all gels together when he comes back.

And Udoka is everything I wanted Mason to be. I would have given him the game ball last night. He came in and shut Ariza down in the third. Not a starter, but exactly the kind of veteran role player we need.

And a big slap on the back to Westphal. Finally a coach whi is willing to make situational substitutions!!! I love that about him.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 14, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Udoka helped me to understand why Westphal wanted Mason

I thought last night was the King’s best all around game of the season, it was a fine ass game. In the game thread/post game thread vfette made the point that we wouldn’t have won last night without the contributions of Udoka, K9 (I’m not woofin that dawg any more) and Cakes and that they deserved the game ball. He was right on, they played great when called on and PW used the bench really well.

I made a point in a post Kevin injury comment that when he returns in January that he won’t we coming back to the same team he left and I that’s going to be a huge relief for him. In the same way that Kevin is not quite clutch, I think (opinion) not having to bear the scoring burden and carry the team is going to free Speed up to play an all around better game.

It’s going to be interesting to see if the gelling young core is going to accept less than his best on defense and I’m not saying he was playing bad d before he went out. Although I’m unsure of the internal team dynamic I think the leadership core is JT/’Reke/Beno/Noc and it will be interesting if they are cool with him doing his offensive thing or if like Beno has upped his defensive intensity, their expectation will be that he has to carry his own defensive load.

When he returns, this won’t be Kevin’s team anymore or at least he won’t have to go through the charade of being the vocal veteran leader. With team mates he can trust, knowing that they aren’t dogging it on the floor anymore I believe this is going to free Kevin up to play his best ball. Westphal is going to have a lot of fun with his rotations when Kevin and Cisco return and based on how he handled the team last night I believe Westphal is absolutely capable of juggling a few more players in the rotation and using them effectively.

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by Bluejohn on Nov 14, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This kind of reminds me of when Webber went down and we became the hottest team in the league

To a much lesser extent of course. That team was headed for the playoffs anyway and (i believe) Webber went down much later in the season then Kevin did. But I do think there is something to be said about playing without your best player. Everyone else kind of stops drifting through the games, focuses more and definitely plays better team ball. As a rule of thumb at least.

If PW can get the young guys to play this hard when Kevin gets back, this team is going to ruin someones playoff plans.

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-Chris Rock

by Big ZK on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Actually, I think that was the year after Webber went down against the Mavericks in the Playoffs. He was out about the whole season. Things were different though. Peja was being mentioned for MVP, and I think we had the best record in the league until Webber came back. I can see the comparison where we wonder what will happen when Kevin comes back, because it is great to see the team rolling like this. I could be wrong about all this though, I am just typing from memory.

by spragueito on Nov 14, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One big difference with Webber and Martin

Webber came back before he was 100%. In fact, Webber was never the same after the inj. Martin will be back at full speed….

by amonk81 on Nov 14, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 14, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct.

Good call, that Peja for MVP season was probably my favorite NBA season of my lifetime so far.

"You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon.' Need I say more?"

-Chris Rock

by Big ZK on Nov 14, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Became an NBA fan that season. Peja was my basketball-messiah.

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by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Enough with the Kmart bashing

We have to wait and see how Martin fits in when he gets back. Chances are it will all be good. It’s an absolute joke to think the Kings are better overall with Beno/Reke. Martin is a better rebounder, scorer and, yes, defender than Beno. Plus, Beno is still Beno. Once we see what Martin can do, then we can/should comment. Finally, if you think Martin should be traded, I can see that only if they get a stud PG (or Ok one and a big) in return. Would you trade Redd just because the Bucks are playing well right now?

by amonk81 on Nov 14, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I mostly agree

though Beno has been playing very solid defense. He is doing a good job of staying front of his man, in last nights case one of the quickest little guards in the league, a kid you’ll never always be able to stay in front of.
Beno has without a doubt in my mind been one of the hereos of this young season. Very clutch on offense as well.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 14, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lttg - someone spiked your Kool-Aid

You are a little too high on Beno IMHO – solid defense?
He is not guarding OJMayo, Monta Ellis, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Aaron Brooks (the 5 Kings wins).

His shooting has been absolutely wonderful. His effort has been superb. His passing passable. His defense – okay. It is one of his limitations, but sorry, not solid.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

he did at least cover the last three for at least parts of the game. I know Kmart covered Mayo and I can’t remember who covered Monta because that was such a lineup shuffle game anyway it probably didn’t matter much.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Westphal is showing faith in Beno

It’s interesting that in the pregame threads everyone wants Tyreke to take the other team’s point guard like Brooks and Westbrook, but when all is said and done, it’s Beno getting the call and doing a very nice job.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing I loves was that we only had one t/o in the 4th

These guys are young but they can be taught. Ariza had all his steals in the first half.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 14, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Great win

I totally don’t expect us to keep winning like this, or at this clip, but I am absolutely loving the effort, the heart, the physical and mental toughness, the defense and rebounding, and the overall attitude.

One thing that was said in passing last night in the post-game, I think by Grant, is that these guys want to be known for being tough and scrappy. We have never had that mindset here. Never.

Lots of credit to Westphal. He seems to be so positive and he’s teaching all the time (like at the end of the half when he yelled "I said 5 seconds, not 12!). Credit also to GP for drafting guys who could and would change the culture of the team because they’re competitors and will not quit. I think everyone has bought in.

I’m thrilled that we are now a team who may not win a lot of games, but will scrap and hustle and fight every night.

As for the KMart thing, Tyreke and KMart have both said repeatedly that they are excited to play with each other, that they respect each other’s game and can do great things in the back court. Why on earth would anyone think now that anything has changed? When KMart comes back, we’ll be that much more competitive, because we’ll pick up the scoring that right now we sometimes struggle with.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 14, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions   4 recs

every win is a great win for this young team in this young season

The Kings continue to make mistakes but what has been impressive is that scrappiness you mention.

The Kings had a 16 point lead – and by the 3rd Q were down by 1. Lots of TO’s, missed assignments, etc. Coach W made substitutions, and the team persisted. No hanging heads, no packing it in for the night. Lack of energy – in comes Udoka. Or Casspi. Or Brockman. Or Thomas.

and the KMart issue – you hit the nail squarely on the head – it is a non-issue. This team wants to win, who wouldn’t want Kevin Martin? puh-lease he is the ultimate chemistry guy.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Non-issue exactly.

They want to play together. The coach wants them to play together.

Talk about keeping defenses honest. Both can drive, both can shoot from outside. One of them is always going to be doubled, and somebody on the floor will always be open.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 14, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to break the code of silence.

Don’t tell anyone but. “Martin is a high efficiency scorer”.

To answer your question:

Tyreke and KMart have both said repeatedly that they are excited to play with each other, that they respect each other’s game and can do great things in the back court. Why on earth would anyone think now that anything has changed?

How the Kings play when Martin is in the game is different that when Beno is playing. Both drive into the paint and stop short of going to the rim. Beno uses his stop & pop, but he’ll also dish to the bigs if their defender leaves them to stop penetration. Or, Beno will pass out.

When Martin dribble drives, our other players clear out to give him space. And, like Beno, Martin usually pulls up short of the rim and shots especially when he’s bumped. Which accouts for his high efficiency, due to all the plus ones and his excellent shooting skills. But, the fact is, when Martin has the ball, the other players clear out and start standing around. Movement stops, because Martin is going to shot and not pass a high percentage of the time.

And, why shouldn’t he. If Beno is in the paint, and one of the bigs defenders leave to stop Beno, our big has a better chance of scoring then Beno. So, Beno needs to dish the ball rather than shot. When was the last time Martin had his short range jumper blocked? Even if one of the bigs is left open, Martin has a better chance of scoring than the big should Martin get the ball to him.

Does anyone remember the game where in the last seconds, when we needed 3 pts to tie, Martin inexpicably drove to the rim for a 2 and we lost by 1. The truth is that Martin doesn’t always make the best decisions. And, clearing out to open the lane for Martin, takes the other 4 players out of the game and out of good rebounding position. When Martin does return, he’s going to have to make some changes to his game. And, some people are afraid that he would be able to or won’t want to make those changes.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 14, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except you didn't say that

And you’re now piggybacking off someone else who actually articulated what you are trying to say in the past.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great game

Sat in Section 104 last night with my son after the 200-mile trek. A great game for our Kings.

I was amazed that the radio shows coming and going didn’t have more Kings coverage. Why are they talking about the 49ers, the fight and LeBron’s stupid No. 23 stunt when the Kings are playing? And then they wonder why folks aren’t showing up for the games.

The crowd was decent sized, maybe about half full, and they made a lot of noise. I can definitely see the crowds picking up a bit in the future.

Udoka is climbing my rankings for sure. Love the effort, the decisions and best of all, the results for the team when he is on the floor.

JT gave another great performance, and I thought Spencer did a great job of playing through his shooting woes and contributing on the glass and on defense.

Tyreke is impressive to watch in person. Udrih shot lights out, and Nocioni was scrapping all night.

Donte seemed to struggle and make some bonehead plays, and Westphal responded by limiting his minutes. Casspi wasn’t as bad, but he still didn’t play a lot. Brockman was huge. The bench really helped our typical strong second quarter that led to the big halfttime lead.

Westphal was masterful with his substitutions. The guys sitting behind me kept mumbling, “What’s with all these wierd lineups?” When they closed out the second quarter with an 11-point lead, I turned and said, “THAT’s why they play the wierd lineups.”

I think we dodged a bullet with Chase Budinger having an off-night. He got a lot of good looks and certainly isn’t shy about shooting, but they just weren’t falling.

Scola was tough all night, although we seemed to do a better job on him as the game wore on. Ariza was a tough cover all night and lit up Tyreke early.

One thing I see and that also jumped off the page at 82games is our weak transition defense, particularly after made baskets. I think 82 games showed opponents are shooting more than 60% when they shoot in the first 10 minutes of the clock. It seems we’re still patting ourselves on the back for the last basket, and Beno in particular is not getting the help he needs on those plays. Definitely an area where we can improve.

Last year I went to three games at Arco, all losses and all pretty much devoid of effort and hope. This was totally different. I love the intensity, the defense, the rebounding, the passing.

Carmichael Dave took a couple of calls on the “Are we better without Kevin?” question, so I guess I should weigh in. I think Kevin is jinxed a bit and the improvement in his game has coincided with the dramatic demise of the Kings, so it’s easy to link the two. It’s easy to say we’re 1-4 with him this season, 4-0 without. Naturally that misses some of the lineup change nuances, but I do know this: the onus is on Kevin to fit in when he comes back, not the other way around.

I bought $10 tickets for the Denver game Dec. 28 and the Phoenix game Feb. 5. Naturally they added a $2.50 “facility” fee per ticket. That’s better than the $20 total for $10 tickets bought through Ticketmaster, but it’s still bogus. If it’s really a $12.50 ticket, just say so.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Not sure

how I left Kenny Thomas out of this recap. His block was one of the highlights of the game.

And you know you’ve come a long way out of the doghouse when they start drawing up plays for you out of timeouts.

That pass into the high key for the shot or quick pass to the forward on the baseline was a new wrinkle and might help get Spencer more involved in the offense.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good summary

I was at the game as well and it must have been a worthwhile long drive home for you. This point in particular I want to re-emphasize:

It seems we’re still patting ourselves on the back for the last basket, and Beno in particular is not getting the help he needs on those plays

Beno was begging the team to get back and help on several obvious occasions. The kids still have to learn how to keep thier heads in the game both after a good play and a bad one.

But they’re light years ahead in that respect from last years team.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 14, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice summary

Good observations. I really like how PW is handling Donté and Omri. Come in do what you’re supposed to do and you get more time, come in and screw up and you get a little of the stick. Good stuff.

Agree on the transition defense, but overall, I’m happy with the progress we’ve made defensively. There’s been some real improvement. Still a long ways to go, but steps in the right direction.

Sounds like a worthwhile trip.

My take on the Kevin situation, and this is not a reply to you, just a general take on the situation. He’s out for another 7 weeks. Let’s worry about it in 7 weeks, and enjoy the growth of the players that are playing.

Tyreke becoming comfortable in the NBA, JT averaging 20-11 over the last 5. 4 game win streak! Over .500!

Why worry about something that might or might be a problem 2 months from now? How will Cisco’s return affect the team? What will we do next year when we have another draft pick come in? Oh, No! So many good things to talk about, why focus on what might go wrong?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 14, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good observations

NBA.com had the attendance at 11700. In the past, I’ve found that with that volume of attendance all the cheaper seats are sold. So, the teams is going to have to be dominant at home for majority of the games or the economy is going to have to get better before the average guy forks up $68 tto $89 dollars for a seat. TicketMasters change the $2.50 Facility Fee plus an $11 service charge for $79 ticket. So, two tickets with parking is $195 without food or drinks.

Being slow to get back to defend the basket has be a problem all year, both on made and missed shots. The bigs seem to stop before the foul line and no one gets all the way to the blocks. There have been games where players have taken the ball the length of the court and ran right around our guys for a layup before any big even comes close to the dotted circle.

Donte said in his pregame interview with Peaches, that he would like to show Houston what a big mistake they made in trading him. When he forced those 2 drives, I think PW decided he needed to prove something to Donte.

All and all, Houston missed some open shots that they would normally make, and we made to unbelieveable shots that we’re going to miss the majority of the time. But, as I always say, ’ I’d rather GET lucky, than be good’.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 14, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Ziller...

Now you love that Udoka pickup. I seem to remember a post where you condemned his pickup not too long ago. I think someone needs to apologize

by HarbirD on Nov 14, 2009 10:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Press conference at 2

At the Natomas Barnes and Noble. I hope section214 and Exhibit G will stand behind me, E-Muss style.

by Ziller on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Udoka is a great bench guy

Its hard to imagine he was looking for a job – who wouldn’t want him?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 14, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He must have pissed in Pop's Cherrios.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

K-Mart needs to change his game

and so does Cisco, because we have a new leader in T-Rek. Last two years, Cisco and K-Mart were expected to lead, but were incapable because of the level of their play, and by virtue of their position. T-Rek is a natural leader by virtue of his position, early aptitude for clutch plays, quiet confidence, commitment to defense endears himself to teammates, and his quality and style of play with team first, stats second. This is quickly becoming T-Rek’s team. That has ripple effect for every player on the roster.

Nothing wrong with changing your game. MJ did it, player not be named did it, LeBron has done it. Once you have proven you can score points at will, like K-Mart has, the next challenge is to score points within the context of the team operating at highest level of efficiency possible. This means contributing where contributions are most needed: playing defense, getting loose balls, finding open teammates for easy looks, acting as offensive decoy on occasion to promote team harmony. Not as glamorous as 20 points in a quarter, but does K-Mart want to win, or lead league in scoring?

When Cisco and K-Mart are asked to come off the bench, initially, and this is what I expect PW will ask, no problem. I see no real issues incorporating these two back into the line-up. Potential challenge, yes. Problem, no. The first reason is PW. He will manage minutes, egos, and play calls to make best use of line-ups and talent. The second reason is K-Mart and Cisco have suffered long enough with the losses. There are no C-Webb or Ron-Ron egos in this equation. Stats are secondary. It is time to win.

We won last night with next to zero from Donte and Omri. Hawes was bad. Again. We beat a respectable opponent, in a game where I thought we controlled mostly from start to finish. Like the Ziller said, this was not a fluke win.

All is well in Kings Land. (Except the attendance). The Bulls are next victim.

by bench_blob on Nov 14, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Change his game how?

K-Mart is a great player. Not good, great. Does he need to improve his D? yes, but he was vastly improved this season over last season. Couldn’t be because he was:

a) Healthy

b) Playing for a coach who knows what he is doing

c) Has better defensive players around him,

We win four games and sudenly K-Mart needs to come off the bench? Go back and look at his first game back after his anhle injury. He is not a player who needs to ease back in. Might Evans be a better player than K-Mart down the road? Yes. Is he now? In some areas, yes. In others, definitely not. Not a problem because they are not competing for minutes. Is K-Mart better than Beno. Of course he is! No question. hands down. There is nothing he needs to change about his game except the fact that teams can’t triple him any more because we actually have other players who can score and a coach who knows how to use them.

There is not a darn thing that K-Mart and Cisco need to change. They are professionals and hustlers. They have never been ball hogs. They have small egos and great skills. Please, please, please, don’t tell me how K-Mart is not imprtant to this team’s future because we won some games.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 14, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And if your point is that

Beno is a point guard and K-Mart is not, you totally defeat the argument that position don’t matter.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 14, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am of the belief that KMart will resume where he left off - scoring in bunches.

Evans and Udrih will have to do a better job of looking for him, Kevin Martin will not have to be the only go-to guy (maybe the second option, Tyreke 1st), Which makes this team better – more weapons, more dangerous.

I see a problem with the defense a bit. Udoka is a better defender and helps to cover Beno’s above the FT line matador-ing. With Beno and KMart the Kings are offense heavy defense light. But as you say, KMart (and Cisco) are professionals. If PW tells KMart he needs him to be a lock down defender and don’t shoot unless you have to – Martin will do just that (Cisco I am not so sure, just because of the bonehead factor, not ego)

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to metion the fact that most teams

don’t have great scoring 1, 2, and 3. So you put Udoka/Noc on the top scoring 2 or 3, put Evans on the biggest threat one or two, and let K-Mart guard the other. I think Cisco still makes a few “rookie” type mistakes. But PW lets people know about those pretty quick.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 14, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes but with Martin, Evans and then Udoka/Noc you have Beno on the bench

and Beno isn’t great coming off the bench to sub in for Evans as then you have the defense problem. I guess you move Udoka to the 2 and hope Beno can find KMart (as the 3). Noce can’t handle a 2, not enough foot speed.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beno has been just fine off the bench - even before the winning streak

Beno has come to play like a real Vet this season. Bueno for Beno, he’s been a pro. Any deficiencies havn’t been from any lack of effort on his part.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 14, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to disagree
K-Mart is a great player. Not good, great.

He’s a very good player, but the truly great ones do more than score. Along the way they drag their team to greatness or at least near greatness.

Kevin might get there, but his body of work so far has to be given an incomplete grade. Looking forward to seeing what the next chapter brings.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

commitment to defense

That’s been Kevin this year. Defense is 50% determination (yeah I made that up) – but even if he just commits, that’ll upgrade him from turnstile to average, and average should be good enough considering how much trouble he’s causing the opposing team’s defense.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Contradictory...

 I am also a bit confused here blob.

You say

K-Mart needs to change his game and so does Cisco

and then turn around to say

I see no real issues incorporating these two back into the line-up. Potential challenge, yes. Problem, no.

There really isn’t an issue here. These guys will all play very well together. You are right.

There are no C-Webb or Ron-Ron egos in this equation.

I think everybody needs to back away from the bongs, take a deep breath, and realize the paranoia is self-induced.

by MustangMBS on Nov 14, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

JT hasn’t had a 20/20 game yet this season, but 27/11, 21/14, 19/10, 12/11, 22/12 the last 5 games.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JT Sucks

He should have doubled that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude just brings his lunchpail

to work every day, and the motor never stops running. You have to love the kid.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

talk about hitting the ball out of the park - rec'd

I think that is the reference reply post for all of the rest of the “can Kevin Martin fit in” comments from here on out.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JT appears to have made a leap

Of course, he’s had good stretches of basketball before, but I’m not sure we’ve seen anything like this. Watching him make those free throws down the stretch (and not even grazing the rim) is showing me something.

Over the last year, there have been a lot of discussions on whether, if we had to part with Spencer or JT via trade, which would it be? I think the answer is pretty obvious at this point – and not just due to Spencer’s struggles, but because of JT’s ascension.

by otis29 on Nov 14, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin will be what he's always been

probably the best pure scorer on the team. No problems.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 14, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd for it's clarity

I do think Martin will need to make some changes in his game. He needs to stop begging for calls and start passing out more on drives when he’s covered, to keep the other guys more active in the game when he has the ball. He’s just such a great shooter, that he just tries to make a shot or draw a foul everytime he has the ball.

He’s already stepped up his defense and his rebounding, so assists are the next logical step. Now, that he’s not the only go to guy anymore, the change might come willingly.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 14, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right on ForThree

great point about about JT. While the comments have been mainly about how we can see ‘Reke inprove and grow every game it is also true about JT. His improvement has been incredible and I don’t see anything about his game (in recent games) that is fluke – ish). I think he is capable of playing at a consistently higher level than we have given him credit for.

I personally think that one of the reasons that Spencer has struggled this season is that JT has come back clearly the more improved and better player and I don’t think Spencer is dealing with the reversal very well. More importantly, to date our competition hasn’t anticipated or reacted to JT raising his game and in the future are going to start game planning for him as well.

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on Nov 14, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

And really like the emphasis on JT’s emergence, a possible side benefit of the Kmart injury since he now gets to touch the ball more.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KSpeed

Can fit in, esp. if Evans can learn to create shots for other people, the great ball movement has really been the reason why this team has put up so many points it has (next to the great D!) So good ball movement, the ball will end up in kspeeds hands and he can do a lot more than what Udoka, Brockness, k9, and Beno can do with it….

by shadowchicken on Nov 14, 2009 12:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

How was attendance last night?

I watched the prior game and it looked half empty? I know with the win to get to .500 there was some speculation the team might sell some more tickets for the Rockets game?

by bignerd on Nov 14, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

11,762

Per NBA.com

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 14, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs


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