A source with knowledge of situation says [Kings] and New Orleans have had discussions regarding an Emeka Okafor for Kenny Thomas deal.
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That is crazy exciting
Although, I think they’re ripping us off.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess New Orleans becomes a lottery team.
I like the idea, but would like to see Spencer play another 10 games before I give it my blessing.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With the coaching debacle and general unrest in the organization
coupled with potentially losing their 2nd best player, they gor form playoof team to lottery team.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that didn't answer the question
What would you like to see out of Spencer in ten games that would effect the way you view this trade?
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by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
affect/effect
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by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I changes my mind,
after doing a team salary analysis. I say make the trade. Quality Centers are hard to find.
My original thought was trying to evaluate if Hawe’s is a starter in this league. If he has the chops, then we might be able to find a quality bench player in the draft and save ourselves some money.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
New Orleans is a lottery team regardless, they just don’t know it yet.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
considering how we almost beat them
I would have to agree
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
and this was prior to the new line-ups.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what are the terms of emeka's contract?
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 12:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Lots of money
Signed through 2013-14, with that final season having an early termination option. $10.8 million this year, peaks at $14.8 million in 2014.
by Ziller on Nov 14, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This begs the question, is Okafor the guy we want to be "The Man?"
Because if we take on his deal, we’re out of the free agent business for half a decade.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely
this would be the “big move” for the next few years. The only way you’re making material changes to the team for the foreseeable future is trades or drafting if you do this.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is the only thing this team had been doing any 4-3
It’s really the one way you can change your team.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right
that’s all we’ve done to date, but either this summer or next, if we do nothing, we’d have some space to add a free agent of some kind. I’m not saying Lebron, but at least enough space to add a legit player of some kind.
This move wipes out that possibility for the foreseeable future (barring other moves of course).
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's available that's interested in playing here that's a big?
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better question
Which big do you want first? Most of the high quality bigs in this league are older anyway. Okafor is only 27 right now with 5 seasons under his belt, and you would be acquiring him for the long term. He’d be 32 at the end of his contract, and by then all the Kings young talent would be on new contracts as well.
I think Okafor is one player the Kings could acquire who would make this team better in the short term. The question is how much better this team would be in the long run?
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I
like him as a player … the only thing that would stop me from being on board is his contract ….
in the long run … it gives them more size (something their lacking) and another double double threat. Talent wise, i think it’s a good move.
Salary wise, not so sure.
by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wtc
The only thing holding this up is Okafor’s salary. Otherwise, the Kings would have done this deal in a heartbeat.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some additional thought to all of this
Okay, I am speaking out loud and will probably be crucified (sp). I think that it is hard to get quality bigs that defend, and lets face it a good defense wins in any league! With that said, I think Noc, Martin, Garcia and Udrih all have high contracts and are tradeable, in fact I would rather have Cisco than Martin. Martin is a great scorer and that is it. The ball does not move and he does get hurt, which is different than soft. I think you have a young and cheap Noc with Casspri, martin for an expirng contract and a draft pick and trade of a Noc and you have players that are very replaceable at a cheaper price and you get flexability while have a strong young nucleus. So sign Okafor, trade martin eventually and you have a great future and cap room.
by want2win on Nov 15, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt
you’re finding a better big than Okefor for the kind of money we’re talking about.
But, you have no flexibility. What if a small forward you really liked could be there for that kind of money? What if we’re in the lottery again and we could draft a good big and spend this money elsewhere?
It a team builty around Evans/Martin/JT/Okefor actually a contender or do we peak at the 2nd round of the playoffs?
These are the questions.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the reality is that 4-3
You can’t get to the Finals without getting to the playoffs first. The second part is that the Kings probably think of Evans as a franchise player, and think JT, Shawes, and Okafor could be a comparable front line to match any in the NBA at the moment.
Plus you have Greene, WaBeno, Nocioni, Garcia, Casspi, Martin in the mix here as well. I think it’s safe to say that’s a pretty deep and talented team. I would much rather have this team than, say, Washington’s club.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
word
If the Kings consider Reke a franchise player, JT on the level of a David West type, Okafor comparable to chandler, then the Kings would be built like the NO team that caused some waves. Except they’ll have a legitimate big backup in Spencer, a legit point guard backup in Wabeno, an extraordinary wing piece in Kevin Martin (as averse to the MoPete atrocity), Nocioni in place of crippled Peja, and an actual bench consisting of Casspi, Greene, Garcia.
That’s not bad.
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by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no to the NO comparison.
Sure the offensive comparison is legit but let’s be honest here, the Kings would have the ability to shut teams down defensively, something the Hornets could never dream of doing.
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by jjham15 on Nov 14, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd
be easier if we all knew who they were trying to target as a FA, and if they think Okafor is better than that player.
by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't do it!
That contract is ridiculous, especially since K9’s deal is up after this year.
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by 49er16 on Nov 14, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
That’s what worries me. Almost 15 mil for okafor in 2014 is too much. I’d rather draft a good young big
I think is too early for deals but what do I know?
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 12:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but if we are truely improved
and end up drafting in the mid to late lottery, what does that do to the draft a good young big plan?
I’d do it.
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 14, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Patterson
Could still be on the board, depending on how UK’s season goes.
by bartenpa on Nov 15, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this move
But I understand why the Kings would consider it.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Okafor has everything that could make this team a playoff team this season
I just wonder if it’s the right move. I’ll have to meditate and think about this for awhile.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
if the kings make this move it could boost them enough to make the playoffs
by cwebbisboss1 on Nov 14, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Emeka Okefor Profile
Contract 5 years: 10.8/11.8/12.8/13.8/14.8
27 years old, 14pts, 10reb, 1.9blk per game guy
PER the past 4 years: 20.1, 17.4, 18, 15.8
I have to say, at first blush I’m intrigued. If you want to build a defense oriented team, he’s the right guy.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
at first im intrigued too
But that contract? Ouch!
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 12:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
no question
but you’re not going to find a better defensive center I don’t think unless you are very fortunate in the draft.
I think the worry is, you’re building something that at its peak isn’t a contender, unless you think the main pieces to be a contender are already here (Tyreke/JT/Kevin).
Its intriguing because it is the bird in hand, he’s a good player, rather than wondering when or even if the Maloof spend the money we’re allegedly going to have in the next few years.
I agree with pookey, need to think about it. For me…are Tyreke/JT/Kevin really that good…
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Okafor is better than any player the Kings could get on the market
But that’s my opinion.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, given the lack of interest by FAs in coming here, a player will need to be brought in as Webber was.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think you are right
But I don’t think the Kings are going to sign anyone big in free agency. I think they will have to do it through a trade. So the question, for me is, is this the best player you will be able to get through a trade?
by king4life on Nov 14, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I don’t see us spending $60mil and finding someone better. That doesn’t mean we should do this…but its pretty compelling.
I have to think Lttg would be excited about this, tough to argue with Okefor defending the rim.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okafor is pretty far along
But he’s only been in the NBA for 5 years up to this point. And you would be taking 4 years on (assuming he picks up his option year) and just under 53.2 million over that time.
I think this also means that the Kings would probably need to dump Andres Nocioni or Francisco Garcia (probably Nocioni) to make this deal work financially if they want to retain all the young talent on this team.
Quite honestly, I’d be surprised if Spencer Hawes isn’t a part of this deal from New Orleans end.
Tough call though. If it’s just Kenny Thomas for Emeka Okafor, it’s about the long term salary commitment. I wouldn’t consider Spencer/K9 for Emeka.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you get Okefor
expecting him to get better. I also wouldn’t give up Spencer also. In this environment, we’re taking the risk in this deal, if anything we should be dumping something on NO, but I don’t see how we get them to take Nocioni and make the numbers work.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope won't work
This is about saving long term money and shuffling the pieces around I bet. That’s one way New Orleans could make this work. It would make Chris Paul very unhappy, but not being bold won’t work either. Hornets are in a tough spot, and the best way may to be shed long term salary.
This is the best move the Kings can get for Kenny Thomas. I question whether that’s the move they should make though. It’s a tough long term question that won’t be answered this year or next.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is probably stretching the original idea too far
But would you be willing to shorten Garcia’s contract with MoPete?
Udoka/Cassipi/Greene combine to backup the swing positions pretty well. Plus Udrih and Noc.
NO hasn’t been happy with their swingmen, and they get Hawes.
by DesertFox on Nov 14, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Fox I would
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it won't work because Garcia is BYC for this season
And New Orleans is trying to shed salary here. Taking on Garcia won’t do that.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn
Its a lot of money. If he were a mil or so cheaper it would be a no-brainer.
I say the Kings need to get better sooner rather than later to sell tix and get an arena – to stay in Sac. So, after a lot of thought and still with conflicted feelings – I do this.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This was my initial reaction, but the more I think about it, the more I think we would need to pull the trigger. Starting Centers are hard to find and we paid Vlade similar money at a time when he was considered “worse” than Okafor is considered currently (hope that makes sense). We would have the makings a a potent offensive and defensive team. We would have arguably the toughest frontline in basketball. In another year or two, we would have potentially one of the best defensive players at the two most important positions (PG/C). And while the contract is huge, Okafor should be in his prime for it’s entirety, so even if this core doesn’t work out you could package him in another deal in a year or two when the contract is down to 2-3 years. The great thing about the deal too, is that we do not have to give up any core pieces to acquire Okafor, so if we needed to we could always make another deal using our young players and picks.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Nov 14, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he's young enough
Just entered his Big man Prime. Should be very tradable, still young enough, if we have other options working in his last year.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t like the inverse relationship the last 5 years.
Anytime before last year, I would have done so easily.
But the light at the end of the K9 tunnel is so close, and he’s actually contributing.(the latter is not a factor in dealing, of course)
If the team is still in contention when Kmart is back, I’d do it.
But I don’t think that will be the case.
by DesertFox on Nov 14, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really Bold Move
for a team in supposed financial ruin…
by Zach H from Talk H on Nov 14, 2009 12:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
New Orleans would do this in a heartbeat
I question why Sacramento would. Okafor, Martin are the two guys that are getting long term money on this team, and Okafor’s contract is more expensive and longer. But Okafor is pretty much what he is, and I’m not sure he’s anything more than that. That’s a lot of money to commit to a very good player who probably isn’t an All-Star or anything but a very good player in many respects.
Tough call. I don’t envy Geoff Petrie and the Maloof’s here. I really don’t.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Playboy bunnies don't interest me (especially since the philosophy is bullshit)
But, no I don’t envy billionaires either. This is a tough decision for this franchise, and it could make or break this team. I’m not sure if the Kings want to be in that position.
On the other hand, it’s a major risk that could pay off. Tough call.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what's the website
That has the most accurate salary info and has the cap info for every team? Is it sham?
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 12:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
shamsports.com
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But it’s a deal that works ed. I already looked it up on the trade machine, and it clearly works. Both teams are over the cap, and the 125% + 100K rule applies. Even if the Kings were under the cap, it wouldn’t be a problem because the difference in salary is not that great. Either way, this deal can be done.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im more interested
In seeing our projected cap numbers for years to come with okafor. Wanna see when is going to be time to extend hawes, jt, donte, casspi, and reke.
Want to see how this affects our future situation money wise
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 1:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Gimme a minute
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shutup. LOL
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I repeat: Shutup
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay ed
You’re probably looking at roughly 55 million for 2010-11 season (with draft picks), 58-60 million for the 2011-12 season without someone like Noc traded, or Spencer Hawes resigned or draft picks added, and it will only get higher from there.
Major salary commitment unless this team finds a way to shed salary for the long term in Noc or Garcia. That can happen this summer though.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's tax territory for years to come
Is that the complete roster that would take us where we want to be? Reke, Kevin, SF, JT, Okafor? I could see it happening to be honest.
Damn, this is a tough one. In Petrie we trust though
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite tax territory for the next couple years
But possibly after that if you don’t trade Noc or Cisco, than yes.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not close to tax territory
but at the cap
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is
Can we attract a better FA? Besides, don’t big men’s salary range around 10M/year? This is a former second pick
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Makes no sense to me
Does this move Spencer to the bench? JT?? And with that contract the Kings would have no flexabilty in the coming years. You’re pretty much committing to K Mart, Reke, and Okafor to make you a contender and I just don’t think he’s that kind of player.
by StevenG on Nov 14, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This would definitely put Spencer on the bench
and I have defended the guy as much as anyone, but I don’t think that’s entirely bad.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a legit big center might allow Hawes to develop into a very nice counterpoint when he's in.
Hawes and Okafor have vastly different skill sets, and Spence could develop into something more like Dirk Novitzki, distributing, rebounding, and not needing to be a goalie.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say
Okefor/JT/Hawes is an amazing variety of big guys, with vastly different skill sets as you pointed out. Coaches would have to be excited to work with that group.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just use Hawes and Nowitzki in the same sentence??
by StevenG on Nov 14, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I only mean that Hawes could be more of a facilitator, even if he'll never be that kind of threat from three
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds better than KMart, Reke & Hawes though, doesn't it?
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If there’s another borderline all-star caliber player like Okeafor/Martin (looks like JT at this point), it’s not so far-fetched.
I personally don’t think it’s enough, but with this last streak, I don’t know.
Definitely a nice deal to sit and wait on.
by DesertFox on Nov 14, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn
I don’t know what to think right now
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not with that contract
It averages about 12 mil a year. Do you really want Okafor for that kind of money? Granted if he’s available he’s the best center out there. But i’d rather have Hawes at around 6-7 mill ayear then Okafur @ 12.
by StevenG on Nov 14, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A player in his prime, who has career averages of a double double and close to 2 blocks per game for 12 mil? YES!
by CloudyEyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So 10 10 and 2 blocks per is worth 12 mil????
JT can realistaclly average that. So why over pay for Okafor?
by StevenG on Nov 14, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okafor can finish inside and make dunks/layups
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're willing to commit to those years because you think JT won't??
by StevenG on Nov 14, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there’s room on a basketball team for 2 good bigs. This is an indictment on the future of Spencer to a certain extent though.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about that
We all know our front court is very thin at the moment. Sean May just doesn’t cut it
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can't average it simultaneously at two positions.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to think about that for a second, then slapped myself when I realized I was being an idiot.
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by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always been a fantasy fan of Okafor
I think he’s one of the more underrated players in the league and I would definitely enjoy seeing him on this team. He isn’t shy about banging it up around the basket and he’s a consistent double-double average threat who can average close to 2 blocks per game. Yes, his contract is a bit scary, but if that’s what it takes to push the Kings deep into the playoffs this year, I’d happily do it.
by CloudyEyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Okafor won't push the Kings deep in the playoffs. Thats my point.
Is he making d difference in N.O.?? Nope,
by StevenG on Nov 14, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have young guys that could develop and make us better
It’s better than a 17-win season
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So..
You’re saying adding a proven Center to this roster won’t help the Kings?
by CloudyEyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think he's the kind of a guy you bank you're future on.
Is he really a “franchise” type player?? The Bobcats didn’t. And N.O. obviously doesn’t.
by StevenG on Nov 14, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he was a franshise type
The hornets or bobcats wouldn’t have traded him.
by king4life on Nov 14, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting assumption
I also tend to agree with you
by kwill on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kings
aren’t going to get a franchise player by trading Kenny Thomas, or by free agency. Not with the arena situation the way it is.
by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he isn't a francise player
Okafor is a solid piece to the puzzle, though. I’m highly doubtful that the Kings could pick anyone else up, with those kind of numbers, for that kind of price. We’d need to pay top dollar out of free agency for a guy like Bosh…but then again, the Kings don’t have the cap to sign anyone like that in free agency now.
The other route is to trade for a franchise Center, but I can’t think of any team willing to do that right now. Teams that are blowing themselves up, willing to trade big pieces like an Okafor or a Gasol only come around once in a blue moon.
The last route is through the draft, but you can only go so far in developing a team through the draft. The Kings seem like they’ll be battling it out for a playoff spot at the end of the year, the way the current situation is looking, so I’m doubtful that the Kings could pick up anything more than a role player/6th man or barely starter with the 15th or so pick. Plus, it’s a gamble to develop through the draft, and the Kings need to win NOW to sell seats, the way the current economic situation is looking.
by CloudyEyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
now you know where I get my screen name from … stuff like this
by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ranks #22 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game (9.2)
Ranks #30 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.517)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game (1.9)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds (27)
Ranks #20 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game (2.7)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds (65)
Ranks #21 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game (6.5)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Total Rebounds (92)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Blocks (19)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Double-doubles (5)
Ranks #32 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (4.4)
Ranks #21 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (10.5)
Ranks #21 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (14.9)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (3.07)
Ranks #33 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (159)
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did you use last year?
This years sample sucks
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give it a whirl for last season
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game (10.1)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.561)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game (1.66)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds (275)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game (3.4)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds (552)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game (6.7)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Total Rebounds (827)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Blocks (136)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Double-doubles (43)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (14.8)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (2.43)
These stats were more difficult for me to find, so I’ll let someone better at hunting look them up:
Ranks #32 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (4.4)
Ranks #21 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (10.5)
Ranks #33 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (159)
by otis29 on Nov 15, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
the Kings think they won’t be able to get a money free agent here …. and they might as well trade for a name guy?
by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think they'd be silly to assume otherwise, given our history.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this trade
is why a team like the Kings works to get cap space; I’m not saying we should do it, but this is very much along the lines of what you should expect.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Count me in
Short of signing James, Wade or Bosh next season, the Kings are not going to be contending for a championship in the next 4 years. I think the goal is to quickly become a “Hawks” type team that is exciting to watch day in and day out, a team that other squads are scared of, and a team that threatens to get to the second round.
This gives us a chance to get a piece we’re missing (sorry Hawes) as opposed to expiring K9 for nothing but the chance to beg free agents to come here. Hell, look what happened when Portland was trying to throw truckloads of money around this offseason.
Okafor gets us those next few years. Then we trade him as an expiring as we progress back to championship contenders.
by TheJust on Nov 14, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Straight up for Emeka? That would be terrific for us.
I would never do this if JT, Spence, Greene, or Casspi, are included.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Nov 14, 2009 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
think about it this way
you’re trading about a $10/yr player next summer for 5 years of Okefor…That’s someone like Hedo
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling getting Okafor would greatly help in JT's development
Dunno bout Spence though.
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Spence is can play alongside either. He would be fine, I think
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Nov 14, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would make for a very solid front court with the addition of Okafor
…think about it. The Rotation of Hawes, JT and Okafor? …and in the back-court, Martin, Evans and Udrih? Oh, please yes!
by CloudyEyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So many things to take into account
But I think the only way the Kings should even consider it if if it’s staright up K-9 for Okafor, no Spence, no Casspi, not even Donte.
I agree, that Okafor is better than anything we could get in free agency but we would be overpaying too. We can’t build through the draft too long either and have to add soem pieces that we know what we are getting from them in terms of stats and impact in the game.
I probably have to sleep on this to have an opinion.
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If its just K9, I do it.
So far that is all anybody has seen, right?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Nov 14, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
..and maybe a throw-in like Sean May, or something
by CloudyEyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they can take May and/or Sergio,
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Nov 14, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May can't be traded yet as Pook has pointed out.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okafor is 6'10" with a 7'4" wingspan and 9'2.5" standing reach
he is great on defense, but has never had great hands on offense. So he fits in perfectly with Shock or Hawes
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Nov 14, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yep
us as fans have been wanting a defensive big man for a while … this would be him.
by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop the presses
Every team has “had discussions” – this could mean a million things. It could have just been NO feeling out how much cheap talent they can get for Emeka, it could have been Levien leaving a voicemail. Who knows. We need to breathe easy for a minute.
But, holy crap.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So, you really mean, "don't stop the presses."
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Timing is a bit bad for us
We are on a big wining streak but we really don’t know how this is team is going to play against much better teams. I wouldn’t want to bank on this being one of those moves that takes us to the next level when we don’t really now in what level we are right now(if that makes sense)
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How does this effect our ability to sign JT and Reke to contracts,
down the road?
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
bird rights
The question isn’t ability, but owners willingness to sign the big checks.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
EASY
You trade kmart and Cisco for tmac, cap problem solved!
by sacman on Nov 14, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Okafor isn’t worth paying for if there isn’t a rest of the team to make it to the playoffs with.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have enough of the pieces
Have you seen HOU? Most people think that team is playoff-bound
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
solely because of respect for Adleman and Morey, and none would claim they’re out of the first round.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can live with a first round exit this year
It’s not like our team is full of dinosaurs who won’t improve next year
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but the Kings won’t make the playoffs without Martin.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to trade Martin :)
I’m assuming this is a straight-up Kenny for Emeka deal
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We are wondering whether
Reke, Kevin, JT, and Okafor is enough to get us deep in the playoffs and you want to get rid of Speed??
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by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This would give us a ton of depth,
Especially when Cisco and Kmart return.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For those who claim he's overpaid
GIve me a break!
Tyson Chandler $11,700,000 $12,600,000
Shaquille O’Neal $21,000,000
Zydrunas Ilgauskas $11,541,074
Erick Dampier $12,115,500 $13,078,000
Kenyon Martin $15,863,636 $16,795,454
Nenê $10,520,000 $11,360,000
Andris Biedrins $9,000,000 $9,000,000 $9,000,000 $9,000,000 $9,000,000
Yao Ming $16,378,325 $17,686,100
Troy Murphy $11,047,619 $11,968,253
Chris Kaman $10,400,000 $11,300,000 $12,200,000
Marcus Camby $9,150,000
Pau Gasol $16,452,000 $17,823,000
Andrew Bynum $12,500,000 $13,700,000 $14,900,000 $16,100,000
Zach Randolph $16,000,000 $17,333,333
Jermaine O’Neal $23,016,000
Andrew Bogut $10,000,000 $11,000,000 $12,000,000 $13,000,000 $14,000,000
Al Jefferson $12,000,000 $13,000,000 $14,000,000 $15,000,000
Emeka Okafor $10,797,500 $11,795,000 $12,792,500 $13,790,000 $14,787,500
Eddy Curry $10,500,423 $11,276,863
Dwight Howard $15,202,590 $16,647,180 $18,091,770 $19,536,360
Elton Brand $14,858,472 $15,959,100 $17,059,728 $18,160,355
Samuel Dalembert $12,025,694 $12,912,823
Amare Stoudemire $16,378,325 $17,686,100
Ben Wallace * $10,000,000
Tim Duncan $22,183,220 $18,835,381 $21,300,000
Chris Bosh $15,779,912 $17,149,243
Andrea Bargnani $6,527,491 $8,500,000 $9,250,000 $10,000,000 $10,750,000 $11,500,000
Andrei Kirilenko $16,452,000 $17,823,000
Carlos Boozer $12,323,900
Mehmet Okur $9,000,000 $9,945,000 $10,890,000
Antawn Jamison $11,641,095 $13,358,905 $15,076,715
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
What is wrong with you? Use the “fact” that Emeka is overpaid to ensure the kings don’t have to give away talent for this deal. Boom!
Also, this trade is entirely realistic when you remember that the Hornets gave away Chandler last year only to have him come back.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All I can ever think of when I look at that list is
Isaih, Isaih, Isaih (sigh)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After analyzing the team salary situation through 2012,
and Kingme’s info, I say make the trade.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The center position is the most overpaid position in the NBA
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want to lose anyone else to do this, but I don't think anyone aside from Evans, Martin and JT are out of the question.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really see a lot of great options to address our biggest weakness,
outside of this trade.
Free agents aren’t coming to Sactown.
Even if we could pick up a guy like Cole Aldrichin the draft, it is going to take several years for him to be a force in the NBA.
Reke and Thompson and Martin are all allstars down the road. Add Okafor, Casspi, Hawes, Noccioni and Garcia for depth and we have ourselves a contender.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because their is such a lack of quality
bigmen in the NBA.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the land of the blind, a one-eyed man is king.
Fuck it, let’s trade for Sammy Davis Jr.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even in his current...condition...he'd beat out Mason for a roster spot.
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by Jaycee on Nov 15, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats just mean
Rec’d
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming...
As long as this deal is Emeka for K9 straight up lets do it. This is the type of player we have never had. Defensively we would be solid! there is no such thing as over paying a quality center either. WOW… gotta say I love this deal
by Doors Open on Nov 14, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Brown was willing to gamble on the injury-prone big man. It comes at the expense of Okafor, who at 6-foot-10 is smaller than Chandler and had trouble guarding the NBA’s top big men.
This is from the July story on ESPN after Chandler for Okafor happened. Food for thought.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nice find
thanks Pookey.
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by ForThree on Nov 14, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was Sam Amick who found it
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is for Emeka and K9 straight up
I say go for it. I think this 4 game winning streak is the reason the Kings would seriously consider this trade. Each of the last 3 home games has seen an attendance increase mostly due to how well the team has been playing. This would bring more fans to ARCO which is why I think the Maloofs ok the deal. I believe the organization feels they have their cornerstone in Tyreke and Kevin, and they are looking to add complimentary players to make the Kings complete. The Kings would be very well rounded with a starting line up of Evans, Martin, Nocioni, Thompson, and Okafor with talent on the bench.
by gtrman1973 on Nov 14, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yep
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 14, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Emeke for K9 straight up
You do it.
There is nobody in FA that would be better than Emeka Okafor that we can realistically get. This would ensure our defense would be more than solid for the next decade.
If we do this, I’d be willing to compare these Kings to the 04 Pistons:
Billups – Evans
Hamilton – Martin
Prince – Casspi
R. Wallace – JT
B. Wallace – Okafor
Corliss – Brockman?? May??
Okur – Hawes
James – Beno
Dare to dream? If all of the guys develop….
by Scirocco on Nov 14, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
man, i was just saying that the other day
could the Kings be looking for Laker killers?
That has always been my GM philosophy, focus on beating the Lakers
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Nov 14, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And it's a good philosophy.
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by Jaycee on Nov 15, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you think Okafor can play against other teams best bigs out West?
Maybe the Kings are looking to the playoffs already, and even if not they face a future with Gasol, Bynum, Oden, Aldridge, Love, Jefferson, Kaman, Griffin, Gasol, Randolph, Landry, Millsap, Nene. We need depth and toughness up front, and we are gonna need that for the next few years. The question to me is, can Okafor really defend?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Nov 14, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We all remember how Oden abused Hawes right?
by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but can Okafor stop guys like that?
any good stats on how Emeka plays vs the West’s future bigs?
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Nov 14, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In 2006,
Emeka would record 22 pts, 25 reb, and 4 blks in over 51 minutes of play, in an epic 133–124 triple overtime victory. He also had eight blocks in games against the Dallas Mavericks and Boston Celtics.
by nothingbutnet on Nov 14, 2009 2:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Holy Cow
Not sure how I feel about this – I haven’t really seen enough of Okafor (other than reputation) to know what he would bring to the table here. My sense of him (again from not knowing much) is that he started out with huge upside, but has underachieved a bit since.
by otis29 on Nov 14, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I have to get a word in on this while Im on vaca. I do this trade in a heartbeat if it is a straight K9-Okafor deal. The Kings need more depth on the front court, and Okafor is reasonably priced for what he does, we add another double-double machine (JT is becoming one), a legitimate defensive force inside, and a very versatile frontline rotation.
This trade happens, we would probably reach the playoffs THIS year. Winning is the only thing thats gonna get Arco full again and keep our Kings in Sacramento. Because thats what we really have to think about.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 14, 2009 5:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Tru dat
Now hurry up and get back and post your weekly recap!
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 14, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting back tomorrow
Recap should be up by tomorrow night. So glad Nostradumbass was wrong and we beat Houston, 3-0 on the week baby!
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