Sactown Royalty: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: SB Nation NFL Power Rankings for Week 11

Poll: Emeka Okafor for Kenny Thomas?

What do you think about all this? Now in binary form!

Poll
The Kings are rumored to be in discussions to acquire Emeka Okafor in exchange for Kenny Thomas. Would you support the trade?
Yes
758 votes
No
494 votes

1252 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  Comment 86 comments  |  Add comment

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

holy shit

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yes

If it’s a straight up deal, and I had thirty seconds to pull the trigger – I’d pull it.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted yes because

it would 1) help our team be better right away, 2) provide the caliber of player we may not be able to get in free agency once K9’s contratc expires and 3) it’s not my money.

by kwill on Nov 14, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I haven't watched him play much

But almost 15 mil in 2014 for a 10 and 10 guy? No thanks.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Nov 14, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well

14 and 10… still

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Nov 14, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Remember the Martin block at the end of the NO game

So you don’t want that guy on your team?

Hokiehess@gmail.com

by hokiehess on Nov 14, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see that block

But that’s not my issue. I’m sure he’d be a great defensive presence. He’s just too expensive.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Nov 14, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No he's not?

Not a defensive presence? Or not too expensive?

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Nov 14, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you can do it yourself

go to your profile, manage fanposts, hit the X

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't even have to do that

If you open it, since you created it, there’s a delete button
(I know you already took care of it but)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Kings become the young Jazz instead of Blazers lite or Thunder-lite with this move

Wow! Big commitment in money and time but gives a reliable shot blocking, defending, rebounding, gritty Center to this scrappy, gritty up and coming Kings team.

The Maloofs have oft stated they want a tough Spurs/Jazz like team – this would be a giant step in that direction. It helps that Okafor is an NBA ambassador type.

Spencer Hawes gets to grow into the moble high post 5 that he is destined to be instead of forcing him to be a full time low post presence. Not my money – but I vote YES.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh, almost forgot - durability

First three seasons: 73, 26, 67, last two seasons 82, 82.
Okafor blocks shots – but has the distinction of geting his own shot blocked 12% of the time (about 1 out of 8 attempts).
The 2005 Rookie of the Year sat out much of his second season with an ankle injury. With Charlotte he has been one of the few in the League to average a double double – 14.0 ppg, 10.7 rpg.
For the Hornets – trading away Okafor after last season’s Chandler fiasco – has to be a sour taste for Chris Paul and remember, they just fired Byron Scott, the other link to respectability.. Look for him to ask to be

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What the f, and yesterday I was defending New Orleans as trying to contend since they have 15 players on board and swapped the cheaper Chandler for Okafor.

That would be the start of a firesale.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like it becuase

we would have a true shootblocker in the middle which have tendency to change shots. If that is paired with Tyreke’s perimiter defense, the duo could make it even more difficult for other teams to get good shots.

by kwill on Nov 14, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they

can throw in Paul … we can throw in Beno?

Just sayin ….

by what_the_crap on Nov 14, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like the way you are thinking here...

I approve of this trade – I tried it on ESPN Trade Machine but it is fakakta (Casspi has made Yiddish and Hebrew de rigeur) – has the Kings with payrool of $98M and $40M over the cap. I think you have to roll in Sean May (probably Hawes or Greene) to make it work.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Deal breaker.

by DesertFox on Nov 14, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio Rodriguez would be the more likely throw-in.

by jeffreguilon on Nov 14, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

here is another version

Paul, Okafor for Thomas, Udrih and Martin

oh and add in the self cost of season tickets and playoff tix

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Just let it go, man.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Nov 14, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but but but

yeah I know. Slow day. I gotta step away from the keyboard.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Works for me :)

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fakakta/Fercockta=

loosely translated Natted up.

by avishai on Nov 14, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like this for the Kings

He can play PF with Hawes on the floor and C with Thompson. That’s a pretty good big rotation that always has a man down low, and a man who can stick the midrange J (or 3, for Hawes).

Then draft well and you’re on your way to glory.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Nov 14, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm voting no

Obviously it’s a major talent upgrade, but Okafor is 27, has four years left on his deal, and has a history of injruies. Say goodbye to cap room.

With the way salaries have started to come down, Emeka Okafor just is not worth 4 years $50 million barring some unprecedented rejuvination.

by nbrans on Nov 14, 2009 1:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like this move. Okafor’s contract is ridiculous and he has a history of injury problems.

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Nov 14, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that contract is ugly

I like his talent, but I don’t think he’s worth the years/dollars he’s getting.

"I'm too weird ta live but much too rare ta die"

by aKingisBored on Nov 14, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

He played 82 games for two seasons already

by kingme on Nov 14, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agree, I mention durability up above. Last two seasons 82 and 82.

He would become the Kings highest paid player. He would secure a right now commitment for the franchise in place of the 2-3 seaons of draft talent upswing. Cap space is to sign players (or to just lower finances) and this guy is the kind of player the Kings should be shooting for (Wade, Bosh, James – uhhh, no, not happening).

The big NO should be for money commitment by the Maloofs. But if they are talking that had to be considered already.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 14, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted yes on the face of this deal

Namely because I think the idea would be to contend and get better as you move forward. It’s banking a lot on the improvement of Thompson and Evans as a core moving forward. You’re asking that Martin’s health (never 100% certain) holds up and this team improves on the face. It’s also asking that Okafor and Thompson work as a tandem.

There are so many unknown’s here. Okafor’s averaged 66 games played over his career, and that’s pretty durable. (Okafor has played all 82 games the past 2 season’s.)

I think the question is how much Okafor brings to this team defensively on the interior. If he can’t guard the bigger players (Larry Brown questioned that) on the interior 1 on 1, it makes it difficult to understand how this is anything more than a team that is on the playoffs, maybe the 2nd round at some point, and peaks at that.

The question is how good can Okafor be defensively in the post, helping teammates defensively, and can he mesh offensively with everyone else on this team. It’s a tough question, and I don’t know if the Kings can afford to say no. I also don’t know if the team can afford to say yes either.

I guess the question is Okafor keeping this team from getting a big in what is (according to someplace like Draft Express) a big heavy draft with loads of potential up & down the top 15 picks.

Okafor is a better defensive rebounder than anybody on the Kings at the moment, and his rebound averages are a bit down this season. On the other hand, he’s already rebounded at a 11 board per 36 min clip since he’s been in the league.

He’s a very good rebounder, shot blocker, interior scorer, and perhaps post defender. Maybe Okafor needs an environment where he won’t be seen as the franchise player every night.

I think the Kings will do it if they think they can move Nocioni or Garcia at some point to find financial relief. Then again, maybe not. Tough call. I’d be curious to know who started the talks here (the Kings or Hornets), but it’d be interesting to see how this plays out.

This may be the toughest call Geoff Petrie and the Maloof’s have ever had to make (including dealing Chris Webber). I do not envy them.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've never seen you waver back and forth so much.

but then your looking to the distant future and the Maloofs are looking at filling 4000 seats at the next home game.

Any talented big, makes us better instantly, with May & Brockman our backup bigs. And, the way we’re playing that could mean being a dominant home team again. Whether or not we go far into the playoffs, might not be the first priority for the Maloofs.

I still think we’re not hearing the entire deal here. NO is going to want more than cap relief. When the full details come out, if they ever do, NO is going to want young talent & a draft pick to fill out the deal.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 14, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's because it's not a simple A B C deal

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point about Okafor not having to be the franchise guy

that might take some pressure on him. And having JT to bang around with might boost him a bit too. JT and Okafor would be a tough frontcourt that would just delight in doing the dirty work.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Nov 14, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dynamic Duo
It’s banking a lot on the improvement of Thompson and Evans as a core moving forward.

There’s no doubt that these are the two cornerstones. If anyone is going to get sorta big money going forward, it’s going to be these two.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh
Maybe Okafor needs an environment where he won’t be seen as the franchise player every night.

In other words, the second coming of Kevin Martin?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very well could be yes

Except Okafor is quite a bit more expensive. (Of course he’s also a big.) I don’t know CC. Tough call. You made up your mind yet?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

I think we should stick with Spencer. I don’t think we should pay more than $10 million a year for a serviceable journeyman. Plus I don’t want to add any serious competition that would cut down on Brockman’s minutes. :)

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Brockman is a 10-12 min guy anyway

I don’t think you’re in much danger of that CC.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As an unabashed Okafor fan, I voted HELL YES.

Interior presence, check. Good attitude, check. Young, check. Somebodies gunna have to talk me down here. Were 5-4 and we might trade K9 for one of my favorite players. Yes, please.

Is my banana fluffy enough?

by 27freethrows on Nov 14, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Slowly coming around

We ain’t geting anything better in free agency and even if we did we would have to overpay. If it’s straight Okafor for K-9, I’m voting yes

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What if it's K9, Omri & our 1st rounder for Okafor?

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 14, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I don’t do that one. No way.

The key to me is also that we keep as many assets as possible to work with in the future. Okafor’s contract is what worries me and wouldn’t want to give up more than just K-9

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okafor has a big contract

because he has big talent and he’s getting it done on the floor. The guy is soooo much better than anything else we have or could get in FA in the post.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Nov 14, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no chance

way too much to give up

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Hornets know that dumping Okafor's salary will be enough to change their dynamic for the future

The Kings won’t bite on giving up a young talent so the Hornets feel like they’ve gotten something major in the trade. Besides, what’s in it for the Kings to do that?

This is about money that the Kings want to commit to Okafor. Pure & Simple.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think back to when Gortat was available for $6M

and everyone was saying how they wouldn’t pay $6M for a backup center. Now, were looking to pay $12-$14M for this guy. I wonder what it’s going to cost to resign Spencer after next year? $7-$10M over 4yrs, maybe? Certainly more than MLE money.

Maybe we should have gone after Gortat a little harder. It might have been cheaper in the long run.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 14, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you go after Gortat

There’s no reason to go after Okafor. And, Spencer is not necessarily worth 7-10 million dollars himself.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okafor is a starter, HighTops.

Gortat is not. Usually you get what you pay for.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Nov 14, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What Mucho Moss said

Plus, there’s no requirement to re-sign Spencer. You could shop for a cheap backup at that point.

by otis29 on Nov 15, 2009 6:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Off course we don't have to resign Spencer.

But, then your back to not having a backup center. My point was that if Okafor is our starting center and we can’t find a decent backup by the end of Spencer’s 2nd option year, how much will we have to sign him for as our backup center.

If it’s over MLE money, then 1/3rd of our salary cap will be commited to 2 centers,

At some point we have to decide where we’re going to spend our salary money. If Okufor gets big money & Kevin gets big money, what do we do when Spencer, JT, & Tyreke start looking for big money. That’s the danger of long term contracts.

Eventually, we’ll have to decide whether to keep Spencer or move Okufor, Then it will be JT or someone else (Okufor or Martin), and then Tyreke. It’s the same problem that Portland is going through. That’s why if Okafor’s contract was for 3 years instead of 5 it would be a no brainer to me. But, with 5 years your going to have to decide to move Spencer or JT or Martin eventually to stay out of the luxury tax.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 15, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming health

Okafor would only be 30 and an excellent expiring in his last year. We’ll really know about Hawes by then.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're killing me

This team won 17 games a year ago, and you’re opposed to signing a still-young solid center (who fills a team need), because we may have to pay Spencer Hawes down the road – a guy who still hasn’t shown whether he’s going to be anything more than a journeyman center at this point?

If Spencer makes himself an asset, that’s not the worst thing in the world. That makes him valuable…not just to us, but to others as well.

by otis29 on Nov 15, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying we would have been a playoff contender with Okafor?

Just how many more games would we have won with Okafor last year?

Okafor has what 5 years of experience, and Spencer has 2. Okafor averaged 1.7bpg over the last 2 seasons, and Spencer averaged 1.4bpg last year.. And, I think right now Spencer is a better man to man defender than Okafor. So, just how much better is Okafor going to make us, and is it worth his $12-$14M in salary?

It’s not that Okafor isn’t a good center. It’s just that he isn’t worth $10M more. If Okafor, JT, Tyreke & Martin, makes us a champianship contender now or even next year, then of course you do it. I just don’t think that he’s a dominant low post guy and he’s certainly not a great offensive threat.

And, I think it’s foolish to lock up 1/4th of your total salary cap over the next 5 years, on a player that’s just a mild upgrade.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 15, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, who cares about last year?

Michael Jordan in his prime would have trouble getting that team into the playoffs.

The question is whether signing Okafor improves this team going forward. I think he would.

This team is going to need to make a decision on Spencer in the not too distant future. And as much as I’d like to see a Hawes-Thompson-Okafor three headed frontcourt for the next few years, if it’s just Okafor-Thompson and a cheaper player to be decided later, I think I’d be ok with that. There is no rule that says we have to resign Spencer Hawes.

Spencer Hawes is arguably one of the five worst starting centers in the league currently. Maybe he will improve over time and become the force everyone believes he can be. The way he’s playing right now isn’t giving me great hope.

So ultimately, that’s our disagreement. I don’t see Okafor being just a “mild” upgrade.

by otis29 on Nov 15, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Okafor is just so much better than Hawes as a defensive rebounder, shot blocker, and overall defensive presence. The existence of Hawes should not really factor into this deal.

Okafor is fair value, or close to it. If the Kings can pick up a quality player at fair value that fills an immediate need, and in return they give up no talent (but future cap space), is that not a good deal?

I don’t call this deal a homerun, but I think that it is a clean single, maybe even a double to the gap.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 15, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Okafor is on the market (and he is)

Someone will pick him up. The question is of when & how. The Kings have exactly what the Hornets are looking for: A big enough expiring contract after this season that ALSO saves them luxury tax this season too.

Win-Win for the Hornets who are going to lose a lot of money.

Longer the Kings wait, the harder it will be to justify this deal if this team hasn’t found itself by mid-December. It’s hard to say you wait when you’re playing well and then pull the trigger on a deal like this. This isn’t trading Joe Johnson for Tony Delk.

All I know at this point is that everything I look at Okafor says he does a lot of good things the Kings can use for now and in the future. The cost is pricey, but last I checked it didn’t stop the Kings from re-signing Chris Webber at a much higher cost to the franchise.

I think the mental component of Okafor not being a sexy deal, Chris Webber’s contract having such an impact on this franchise for a long time, and the relative woe’s of the Maloof’s are all mixing the concern pot here.

People need to step back and take a breath. You’re not going to get a better player than Okafor in this environment. If you take a risk of trying to build through the draft, you run the risk of getting a player worse than Okafor. It’s even quite possible that the Kings get another rotation quality big in next year’s draft without being in the top 5.

Is Okafor expensive? Yes. Does he have risks that come with him? Yes. Is there a surefire guarantee? No. But if there was many teams would be clamoring for him.

There might be a better option than Okafor available to the Kings out there, but I doubt it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 15, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Well stated.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 15, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No – too much to give up.

by Hoops Mike on Nov 15, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
This is about money that the Kings want to commit to Okafor. Pure & Simple.

This is it in a nutshell. If you think Okafur is worth more than $10 million a year, guaranteed as far as the eye can see, you do the deal. And maybe you buy a little swamp land in Florida while you are at it.

I also think that if the Maloofs do a big-money deal like this it’s because they are headed for greener pastures sooner rather than later. Adios, Sacramento?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 14, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That's funny

Everyone said they wanted to cut costs and not acquire big contracts because they want to LEAVE Sac. Now you’re bringing up the opposite, that they would acquire a big money guy and then leave Sac. I just think that’s interesting..

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 14, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say you have about a 50% chance of being right ccrdc

and a 50% of being dead ass wrong as well.

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on Nov 14, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point you bring up about leaving although I don't think it makes a difference

If the Kings are more valuable as a playoff team that can pick up & move at any time (which is possible—there is no lease with the city of Sacramento as the Maloof’s own Arco), it could make it more valuable to a seller to want to buy a playoff team. The Maloof’s could pay off all their debts’, the 70 million dollar loan, and just concentrate on the rest of their investments (like the 2nd tower at the Palms that they’re still paying for) from here on out.

I think the problem with Okafor is that he’s making a lot of money (All-Star money at that—even near franchise player money), and he’s not either. At that point, I think that’s what’s the hold up. Based on what he’s done (and you can’t really judge him on 10 games in New Orleans with Chris Paul when the situation there is less than an ideal for everybody), it’s the expectation that Okafor gets better with going to a more competitive team with talent around him that properly puts together his strengths & weaknesses.

I don’t think the Maloof’s will pay money to move out of Sacramento because of all the costs it will take to do so. I think they would rather sell the franchise to another owner who wants to do just that. We shall see.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Has ARCO been condemned, yet?

The Maloof’s have a sweet deal here, They control Arco, the parking, the concessions, and all the events. Sure, it would be nice to have someone build them a new facility. But, will they have the same control in someone elses arena. And, if they can’t fill the seats any better somewhere else, then they do here, how long will it take to make back the money they have to pay the league to move?

A solid big makes the Kings a better team. A better team fills more seats. As long as the seats are being filled and the building isn’t falling down, the Maloofs can make more money by staying here. Plus, they have the support of a Mayor who’s in favor of the Kings staying around.

Sign him or not sign him the Kings are staying put for awhile.

The biggest question for me is “Can they get a better big in the draft than Okufor?”. I’d rather see us trade Utah for a bad contract and NY’s 1st rounder.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 14, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That trade scenario won't happen

Utah isn’t giving up any 1st round pick that might be in the top 5 which very well may be the case of the NY pick.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not

Just saying that I’d rather trade for another lottery pick rather than pick up a player with an overpriced longterm contract.

Although, Utah isn’t winning inspite of their huge salary. And, their luxury tax payments are alot higher than NO’s. If they don’t start winning soon, they might start to feel the same way as NO.

Kirilenko for Thomas & Noc takes them from $59M in guaranteed contracts to $49 next season, not including Fesenko & Matthews. And, there’s no guarantee that NY ends up with a top 5 pick. They’re 3rd now, but if there’s any justice in the world, they’d end up 6th after the lottery. That’s assuming that they don’t improve their position during the year.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 15, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Okafor was a million or so cheaper per year

this would be a no-brainer. Its a tough choice.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rebounding, interior D, and great attitude

would be worth quite a bit to a team like the Kings right now. Comparing those kind of assets to purchasing swamp land? I’m afraid you don’t really have your head in the game right now, Coolcat.

And extracting from this some sign of nefarious Gavin and Joe plans is just plain goofy. I thought all the Maloof conspiracy theories had to do with dumping our best players?

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Nov 14, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How can something good, feel so wrong?

I voted no. Is that the 4 game win streak talking? Is that Cap Space screaming its death knell? Is this the sign I’m getting too old for this shit? I don’t know.

I think Okafor is a major big man upgrade, and he will give us something to combat teams with big men scoring threats like Phoenix Amare, *akers Pau/Bynum, Clippers Kaman/Griffin, etc. etc. (I don’t know historically how well Okafor has done against them, so maybe that’s why I’m squeamish).

I know we don’t have the… pull of big market teams like NY, LA nor a superstar that could attract big names like Miami or Cleveland in Free Agency. And even if we did, wouldn’t signing a talent like Okafor in FA be considered a good piece of business? Well, maybe his large contract has me skittish, the Kings have destroyed my willingness to commit to anything long term. C-Webb’s knee & Bibby have destroyed my willingness to commit to anything long term.

How quick or how slow will Okafor make our offense run? Phoenix tried to get a post presence in the paint with Shaq and went away from everything that made them a success in the first place. And this is a bigger commitment than a Shaq contract — and a larger risk, because of the 5 years (though for 8 mil less a season). If this fails, we get messed up for longer.

But what GP & Maloofs might be banking on is that Okafor removes two years of the rebuilding process — we no longer have to draft and develop a top 5 future franchise big man (and drafts, even if your record is good is possibly the riskiest way of improving your franchise because you don’t know who you’ll get and how they’ll develop).

(I’m not touching the ARCO situation, because Okafor is hardly a name that will fill seats in an Arena. Not with our fans, not with opposing fans. But maybe I’m wrong and he will be a major draw.)

I guess it’s because I don’ t know Okafor’s game that well (or at all). He could be a stud for us, and if we sign him, I’ll cheer for him. But my gut is screaming an exaggerated ‘Noooo!’ and I’m getting butterflies in my stomach just thinking about this trade. It’s exactly like when I’m trading in Fantasy Sports games — am I sure this move makes me better, the mouse hovering over yes… no. That’s where I’m at.

I just hope it all ends well.

p/s: I’ve done so-so with trades. My one fantasy bball championship has come when I didn’t make a trade. I’ve ruined 2 seasons by pulling an early season trade which reduced me from championship team to mere playoff team.

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Nov 14, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wins will fill Arco

Can he help us win more games?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted no

Simple reason: Okafor isn’t worth the money.
Once Kenny is gone at the end of the season…. I hope there’s
a way to pursue Chris Bosh.

by getPGwithbounce on Nov 15, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

After sleeping on it I voted No

It’s too early to make the trade. The deal isn’t going anywhere and the team might as well wait til the trade deadline. There might be even more desperate deals on the table so lets keep that bargaining chip in K-Woof.

by bignerd on Nov 15, 2009 12:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

For a mobile, lane-clogging big man this is NOT an albatross contract.

I’d do this deal for sure.

First of all, big name free agents are NOT going to sign here in the next couple of years. Their current teams can offer them more, the ones who are not worried about the extra money in resigning are going to BIG markets to make it up, and it would cost us FAR more to lure a huge free agent even if they were interested. With the youth we have, nobody better than Okafor is coming.

Now the good side. We’d be HARD PRESSED to find a single player in their prime which solves our biggest problem – interior defense. Okafor is mobile, a hard worker, bright, doesn’t need plays to be run for him, blocks shots and alters more, rebounds well, and can do this while not bogging down the uptempo style we are developing. He is NOT injury prone compared to other big men. He will be a locker room boon to a young team. He will be everything that Spencer Hawes is not. (IMO Hawes is a PF eventually anyway – a poor man’s Kevin McHale – he just needs to STOP taking threes constantly) He will give us a VERY GOOD and potentially great three man interior rotation. Green can get more time to develop. In short he vastly upgrades our talent. We are VERY young and here we are adding a guy in his prime, who isn’t in danger of slowing down during his deal – he will be 31 when it expires.

I think this is a slam dunk if we can make it happen. With the youth on this team rapidly developing, I think we will be good VERY quickly if this were to happen.

by Hoops Mike on Nov 15, 2009 12:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And as I mentioned, at 30

(assuming health) he’ll be a valuable, still young expiring if other options come up in three years.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 15, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is he 7 times better than Spencer?

Okafor has averaged 13.5 ppg, 10.4 rpg & 1.7 blocks per game over the last 2 years
Spencer averaged 10.4 ppg, 7.2 rpg, & 1.3 blocks per game last year. Which was Spencer’s 2nd year as a pro. And, Spencer did it in 29mpg while Okafor played 33mpg.

So, the question isn’t whether or not Okafor is an upgrade over Spencer because he is. The real question is "Do we need to pay a player 6 times what Spencer makes to improve our interior defense by .3 blks per game. And, one factor most people aren’t taking into consideration is that Spencer is a better passer and gets more assists than Okafor. Plus, we are already one of the top rebounding teams. So, will Okafor increase our rebounding stats or will he take rebounds away from our own players.

With Spencers scoring and assists, he’s equal to the scoring production of Okafor. It’s debateable whether Okafors rebounding will greatly improve an already great rebounding team. And, at only .3 blocks per game better than Hawes, he doesn’t seem to be a dominant shot blocker. Okafor is 12th this year and Spencer is 20th.

Today he’s a upgrade but eventually he’s be a salary cap breaker. During his and Martins contracts, we will have Spencer, JT, Donte, Tyreke & Omri all have their rookie contracts expire. And, they will be looking for big raises. Do we really want to be stuck with Okafors guaranteed contract.when it comes time to sign our young core?

If Okafor was going to make us a championship contender, you gamble and spend the money. If he’s just going to make us good enough to be a 8th seed who get’s knocked out of the playoffs by the Lakers, then save the money and continue to develop thru the draft.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 15, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's silly

You could say we wouldn’t accept a Kobe Bryant trade for Kevin Martin because Kobe makes twice as much but doesn’t produce twice the points per game.

And you are way too worried about contracts IMO – the Kings don’t have to worry about JT and Donté’s deals until after the 2011-2012 season, and Tyreke and Omri’s until after the 2012-2013 season. Hawes is really the only question mark prior to those dates.

I mean, I get that the cap stuff is important, but you’re getting awfully close to paralysis by overanalysis. I’d certainly take my chances that Okafor will still be young enough to have some value down the road, either as a piece of the puzzle for a contender or as a trade chip. Or maybe – just maybe – he’ll be an important part of a contending Kings team in the next few years.

by otis29 on Nov 15, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course your right

There are a lot of factors to be considered. Because so many points have already been discussed in this and the other threads, I chose to add a different slant to the discussion.

But, your example isn’t fair either. The difference in the skill level of Kobe & Martin, isn’t the same as the difference between Okafor and Spencer. In my post I pointed out the statisical differences of Okafor & Spencer, and so far, I haven’t seen alot of examples showing how Okafor brings that much more to the table then Hawes.

In our earlier meeting, Brockman had 10 rebounds, and JT had 12 to Okafors 13. The only outstanding stat of note for Okafor is 4 blks. But, that in itself isn’t special, because the Kings are the 4th worst team in the league at getting blocked, at 6.6 per game.

I still believe that if we make a long term commitment that’s going to affect our Salary Cap so much, it needs to be for a player that brings a much greater upgrade than Okafor does. The 5 years guaranteed bothers me. But, you are correct, three years down the road, we might have 2 very tradeable big men.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 15, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's really 4 years more of Okafor HT

You would be paying Kenny Thomas this season. plus 2 million more for Okafor this season.

The gamble isn’t 5 years though either way.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 15, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that I am for this deal

Check out the quick and crude chart below. It inlcludes all centers not on rookie contracts that have at least three years left on their deals (apologies if I missed anyone – I did this rather quickly) -

NAME 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014
Nene 11 11 12
Biedrins 9 9 9 9
Kaman 10 11 12
Bynum 13 14 15 16
Bogut 10 11 12 13 14
Jefferson 12 13 14 15
Howard 15 17 18 20
Duncan 22 19 21
Bargnani 7 9 9 10 11 12
Avg. 12 13 14 14 13 12

Okafor 11 12 13 14 15 0

Okafor appears to be at least fair value. And when you consider age into the equation, Howard, Bynum and Nene might be the only guys on the list that I’d rather have than Okafor (Jefferson’s health and lack of “D” concerns me, and Duncan is getting up there).

This deal is not without some risk, and some might even call it considerable risk. But it shores up the front line and makes us better on D. Age is not as huge of a factor with centers as speed guards, so at age 27 I don’t really have concerns over his ability to achieve throughout the contract.

I won’t be filled with regret if the Kings don’t make this deal, but I would be very excited if they did.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 15, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

That answers my question on the other thread about this topic. Mainly, how does Okafor and his contract compare to his contemporaries. Any big man who can tie his shoes gets a hefty contract in this league, supply and demand.

by bignerd on Nov 15, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And Okafor is right there in the middle (more or less) of that list talent -wise

or objectively worst case not at the bottom -and his first year salary really only counts as the diff between his 10.8 and kenny’s 8.7 = 2 mil
(as Pookey pointed out)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okafor is healthier than anybody on that list not named Howard or Duncan (in terms of total career)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs


User Tools

Welcome to Sactown Royalty, the best community of Sacramento Kings fans in the universe. That's not my opinion; it's scientific fact.
Start posting about the Kings »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Spaceshaolinninja_small
NCAA Hoops Preview from the Kings' Perspective
Zebulon_small
Jason Thompson, Foul Machine
Eastern_logs_small
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Week 3
Old_logo_gif_small
Pookeyguru's Salary Cap FAQ
Eastern_logs_small
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly: Week 2

Recent FanPosts

Small
Spencer Hawes's failing grade
Small
Searching for a backup center
Small
If the Kings Lose Tonight it's All My Fault...
S5000963_small
Break Down of New Possible Trade
___small
Kings Remain Active in Trade Talks
Tyreke_yahoo_small
Okafor vs. Our Bigs
Small
The Trade Block

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Local Sponsors


Editor

Loofie_small Ziller

Joe_kleine_small section214

Associate Editor

Coachie_small rbiegler

Authors

Banana2_small Exhibit G