Okafor vs. Our Bigs
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 2:44 PM PST
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Though this deal appears to be dead, I thought I’d take a quick look at Emeka Okafor’s stats and compare them to the guys he could take minutes from if the Kings did the deal that Amick said was in the works: Spencer Hawes, Kenny Thomas and John Brockman.
Spencer Hawes: $2.3 million, $3.0 million, $4.1 million.
* 29.6 minutes per game, 42% FGs, 86% FTs.
* Per 36 minutes: 2.4 OReb, 6.4 DReb, 8.8 TReb, 2.2 A, 2.7 TOs, 0.8 steals, 1.6 Bl, 3.8 PFs, 12.7 points.
Jon Brockman: $458,000, $932,000.
* 8.6 minutes per game, 62% FGs, 33% FTs.
* Per 36 Minutes: 7.2 OReb, 6.6 DReb, 13.8 TReb, 1.2 A, 1.2 TOs, 0.0 steals, 0.0 Bl, 7.8 PFs, 11.3 points.
Kenny Thomas: $8.8 million.
* 13.4 minutes per game, 43% FGs, 83% FTs.
* Per 36 Minutes: 5.4 OReb, 7.5 DReb, 12.9 TReb, 1.1 A, 2.7 TOs, 0.5 steals, 1.1 Bl, 3.2 PFs, 5.9 points.
Emeka Okafor: $10.8 million, $11.8 million, $12.8 million, $13.8 million, $14.8 million.
* 29.5 minutes per game, 51% FGs, 56% FTs.
* Per 36 Minutes: 3.6 OReb, 8.0 DReb, 11.6 TReb, 0.8 A, 2.1 TOs, 0.6 steals, 2.3 Bl, 3.8 PFs, 12.8 points.
Rankings
* Minutes per game: Hawes 29.6, Okafor 29.5, Thomas 13.4, Brockman 8.6.
* FG%: Brockman 62%, Okafor 51%, Thomas 43%, Hawes 42%.
* FT%: Hawes 86%, Thomas 83%, Okafor 56%, Brockman 33%.
Per 36 Minutes
* Offensive Rebounds: Brockman 7.2, Thomas 5.4, Okafor 3.6, Hawes 2.4.
* Defensive Rebounds: Okafor 8.0, Thomas 7.5, Brockman 6.6, Hawes 6.4.
* Total Rebounds: Brockman 13.8, Thomas 12.9, Okafor 11.6, Hawes 8.8.
* Assists: Hawes 2.2, Brockman 1.2, Thomas 1.1, Okafor 0.8.
* Turnovers: Brockman 1.2, Okafor 2.1, Thomas 2.7, Hawes 2.7.
* Steals: Hawes 0.8, Okafor 0.6, Thomas 0.5, Brockman 0.0.
* Blocks: Okafor 2.3, Hawes 1.6, Thomas 1.1, Brockman 0.0.
* Fouls: Thomas 3.2, Okafor 3.8, Hawes 3.8, Brockman 7.8.
* Points: Okafor 12.8, Hawes 12.7, Brockman 11.3, Thomas 5.9.
So you get so-so scoring, probably another team block per game, pretty decent shooting on the limited shots he does take, terrible free throw shooting, very few assists, and rebounding which is actually less than the average of two of the guys he’d replace. And he’d be the highest paid player on your roster for the next five years.
No, thanks. But, hey, if you’re determined to blow it up and want to get rid of David West, let’s talk.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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No Thanks on West
He’s a more expensive Jason Thompson. I don’t see how he complements this team to be honest. Cheaper? Yes. Worth what it would take to get the Hornets to give him up? No.
You also left off Jason Thompson and his defensive rebounding as well CC. Jason Thompson is a worse per 36 defensive boardman than Spencer Hawes, Jon Brockman AND Kenny Thomas. You would be getting the best defensive boardman out of that group for Kenny Thomas.
There are risks, but I don’t really see it being anything more than monetary myself.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
With ya pookey
There are risks, but I don’t really see it being anything more than monetary myself.
by otis29 on Nov 16, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Foolish to use the very small sample from this year
no training camp, team a mess. You could also just subtract may completely out of that equation, he’d get no minutes I can find, Hawes would get 30.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Then let’s call that the worst case example. Is the guy worth $11-15 million a year for 10 points, 10 boards and 2 blocks a game when we can almost get that from the guys we have now? And they, particularly Spencer, may grow while Okafor may have peaked.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's one thing to argue that
It’s another to say that acquiring David West is worth it. Worth of a player varies from franchise to franchise, unless you’re talking about a Chris Paul, LeBron James etc etc.
David West has far less value to the Kings than he does to the Hornets.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you say that?
David West has far less value to the Kings than he does to the Hornets.
This is a guy with back to back 20-point seasons under his belt. Seems like he could be pretty useful to the Kings if the Hornets are doing a fire sale. I’m sure he could teach JT and Spencer a trick or two.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He plays no defense - none
and you still mistated Okafors stats.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And JT is scoring 20 at the PF spot
(He’ll be in the high teens + over 10 rebounds anyway)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of a small sample, isn't it?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a small sample
When JT does this for half a season, I’ll be convinced. The schedule will be a lot less favorable.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a duplication of talent as JT
He’s not a better defender than JT (or if he is it’s very small) for one thing. He’s a worse rebounder for another. Who cares if he can score 20 points? That doesn’t mean shit.
This isn’t about David West. It’s about doing what’s right for the Kings. West could be valuable to a few teams out there, but the Hornets aren’t trading him anyway. He’s worth more than a salary dump to them. A lot more.
Okafor is much more difficult to trade because of that contract. Either way, I know West to the Kings won’t happen because the Hornets have no desire to trade him. That’s where any trade starts.
You assume the Hornets are doing a firesale. You don’t like the package of Okafor. Okay, that’s fine. But David West will not solve the interior defense problem the Kings currently have.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
If the Kings traded West for Thomas (since we’re talking firesale), it will only save the Hornets about 300K in luxury tax this season. They’re looking for a better savings than that I can promise you.
I would think any deal involving David West would include JT if the Hornets were going to do a deal. No point in doing that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it makes no sense to me
unless it was part of a 3 -way (with who? No idea)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You just wanted to type 3-way.
No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.
-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)
by jjham15 on Nov 16, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh 3-way
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So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There's no reason they can't dump both Okafor AND West
But for my money I want the Okafor dumping to be on someone else. Some rich team that can afford a one-dimensional player making $11-15 million a year. We can’t.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One dimensional player
That’s David West. But, umm, yeah.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
West is one-dimensional
like Stoudemire is one-dimensional. We can use that dimension.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No we can't
But we can agree to disagree.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you're wrong
But there’s no point in trying to prove you incorrect in a hypothetical situation that won’t happen.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that as your final answer :)
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The defensive rating for the Kings is 24th right now
That does indicate there is problems defensively. That indicates THERE ARE STILL problems defensively. Rebounding wise, this team is top 5 right now which no longer compounds the issue of bad defense.
Offensively, where the Kings are rated 6th, is their strength. How you make an offensive player like West is beyond me. Especially when there is one ball, someone else won’t be getting that ball because of West.
Sorry, you bit off more than you can chew with this one. Good luck with the next game.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember
It’s a small sample.
Meanwhile, last year’s Hornets teamallowed the fifth fewest points in the league and ranked 9th defensively. I guess they did that despite one of their starters being horrible defensively.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to play that game
The Bobcats ranked 8th in defensive efficiency last season with Okafor.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But did they win
105 games in the last two seasons?
Probably a better question is whether they’ve won 105 games in their history. (The answer: barely).
Yeah, that Okafor, he’s quite a catch. He definitely has the credentials to lead the Kings to the Promised Land, and he’s a bargain to boot.
He’s such a great player his new team wants to give up on him after 11 games.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
:)
You keep playing this round & round game. It’s quite beautiful. I wanna cry almost.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't aware
But David West will not solve the interior defense problem the Kings currently have.
that we had an interior defense problem. We had a lot of problems last year, but this team seems to be playing a lot better, winning the battle of the boards, etc. I don’t really recall a big man going off on them this year.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that's right
Defending Luis Scola is nothing. But when it comes to the Oden’s, Bynums, Shaq O’Neal’s of the world it’s not going to be an issue.
RIGHHHHHHTTTTTTTT.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a Kevin Martin thread
Who cares if he can score 20 points? That doesn’t mean shit.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooops. Wrong answer again
He’s a worse rebounder for another.
Jason averaged 7.4 rebounds a game last year. West has averaged between 8-9 rebounds a game for the past three seasons. He’s also never averaged less than 17 points per game in his four seasons as a starter: 18.1, 18.3, 20.6 and 21.0.
Jason is a great young prospect and might already be the Kings best player, but remember we’re working from a small sample as we project what he “could” become.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy your David West fetish
I hope it makes you happy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So if David West came gift wrapped tomorrow
for Kenny Thomas and change, you’d be disappointed?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 17, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2009 2:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And according to 82 games
West was the 18th best player in the leaguelast year in terms of plus/minus.
Either he plays more defense than you are letting on, or he is an offensive mega-monster. Either way, for $8 million a year we could use him mor ethan we can use Okafor.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are playing your coolcat games again
There is no way in hell I will ever agree to a David West trade being better for the Kings. Actually, I won’t agree to that trade if IT’S SNOWING IN HELL.
No to David West!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know
Facts are a bitch when you have your mind made up.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have my mind made up
But you’re talking about David West as a better alternative to what the Kings need. That is not the case. I don’t care how you look at it, or claim that my made is up.
I said Okafor would be better for the Kings than West would. Price or not. Period. You dont like it fine.
As far as facts, what facts? You haven’t given any regarding West and how he makes the team better. You’ve given your opinion. Which is fine, but I disagree with.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His rebounding
A demonstartion of desire in my view, has gone down every year he’s been in the league.
He’s got NBA playa disease.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That contradicts what others are saying here.
They are saying “JT is West.” that they are clones. I love one JT, and I wouldn’t mind having bookends.
The truth is they are different players who would complement each other. West is a little more of an medium range shooter, but can still bang. JT is more of a banger who can step outside and stroke the J.
Gimme them both and mix them with Spencer/Kenny/Brockman, and we will have a pretty competitive front line.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
West isn't on the market
There’s a reason for that. (His contract is not hurting the Hornets right now. Neither is Okafor’s really since he’s there 2nd or 3rd best player anyway.) The problem is the other pieces on that roster (Stojakovic, Peterson, Posey) that are difficult to move.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Checked, and what a surprise ...
You’ve got your “facts” wrong. West has increased his rebounds per game every year except last year, when they slipped slightly from 8.9 per game to 8.5.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Thought about adding Thompson’s stats, but I don’t see Okafor taking time away from him.
West has a different skill set, can create his shot and would give us another go-to weapon. And about $4 million a year cheaper than Okafor and not as long a contract. I doubt the Hornets deal him, but it never hurts to ask.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
West plays NO defense, none.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JT is West.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With better rebounding, worse shooting.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
West is shooting 45,5% right now
Thompson is shooting 45.3% right now. Plus West has 2.1 assists and JT 2.9. Additionally, JT is getting 1.3 blocks a game, and West .5 blocks.
JT is a better player right now than West, and probably is better defensively. I’d rather not have West on the Kings with JT getting a big payday in a couple of years.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about from mid-range
West isn’t really an interior player. Guess I should’ve been more specific. JT will have a higher FG% than him over his career, because he’ll take less outside shots.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting. I've seen West score under the basket using a variety of slick moves.
I dunno, I guess we’re seeing different things. I agree to disagree on this matter.
I see what you’re saying about JT though. The guy is only getting better at every facet of the game.
It should be pointed out that JT and David West score their points in very different ways regardless of their similar shooting percentage.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 16, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jts future is pretty clear
He’s at least a marginal All-Star in the works. Hawes’ is much more uncertain though he’s very very young as has been said.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, to take a page out of Rosen's book:
Hawes is a capable back up center. I hope he can evolve to be better than that.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 16, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Make that WAY worse shooting.
West scores anywhere from 17 feet in (yes, I guess that’s why he’s called the 17-foot assassin). I think he would be an almost perfect compliment to the King’s perimeter game and above average guards.
If our shots aren’t falling, the Kings would always be able to rely on David West to keep the offense from sputtering. The mighty Spurs were so threatened by Wests’ prowess they had to use Dirty Bowen tactics to take him out of their game 7 (if I recall correctly)
I’d like to believe that West would play defense if he came here, or at least play better D than he ever did. I really feel Coach W would know how to get the best from David West.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 16, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
I’d like to believe that West would play defense if he came here
His History doesn’t show it, hoping 28 yr olds will change . . . . its possible I suppose.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only player on the New Orleans roster (other than Chris Paul obviously)
that would significantly help the Kings is Emeka Okafor.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was humoring him
I agree
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes I know
Sorry lttg. (And the humor was funny.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably just like Okafor
is a more expensive Jon Brockman-Kenny Thomas. A lot more expensive. For FIVE years.
If he gets hurt, you’re screwed.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okafor is better offensively
A lot better offensively I’ll add. I respect why you don’t want Okafor CC. I just don’t think he’s overwhelming you to say that you’d want him.
But David West? That I have to completely 100% disagree with. No way in hell for any price. I’d rather have JT, potential All-Star, than David West.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This way you'd have them both in a rotation with Spencer.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
He’s not the player the Kings need. Cheaper than Okafor? Yes. Worth what he’s paid to the Kings? No.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard not to consider the CP3 factor
on any Hornet’s production like Marion post Nash or Chandler post Paul for that matter. Hard to imagine West’s offensive breakout in 05-06 didn’t have something with the Hornets drafting a future hall of fame PG.
by BrooklynFan on Nov 17, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, not you too
Using this year’s stats, are ya? I guess that’s really the only way to make Okafor and our frontcourt compare favorably, but I still think it’s foolish.
I get the argument that Okafor isn’t worth what we would pay him. In fact, I’m somewhat inclined to agree. But what I don’t get is how the anti-Okafor contingent feels the need to cook the books to make our frontcourt appear to be in the same ballpark.
Here’s my links comparing Okafor to Hawes for the entirety of last season. I gather you’ll notice a pretty large discrepancy.
First, regarding Okafor’s overall rank in the league at his position:
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/11/14/1157332/a-source-with-knowledge-of#25664271
And in relation to Spencer Hawes specifically:
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/11/14/1157344/the-prospect-of-emeka-okafor#25699696
Sorry, you’re going to have to produce more than an 11 game sample to convince me that anyone on our frontline outside of JT is remotely as good as Okafor.
by otis29 on Nov 16, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CC should look at advanced stats as well
Okafor has a very high True Shooting %, has a big defensive impact, and rebounds extremely well.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those links
didn’t take me to a Hawes vs. Okafor comparison.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, the second one does
WinShares – Okafor 8.2 (in 2,691 minutes played), Hawes 0.8 (in 2,259 minutes played)
Roland Rating (modified plus/minus) – Okafor +3.5, Hawes -6.0
PER – Okafor 18.01, Hawes 13.07
The first gives you Okafor’s rankings among centers in the league last season. Do you really want me to drum up Hawes? It won’t be pretty…
by otis29 on Nov 16, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, found them now
That other thread runs so slow. That’s why I didn’t post this there. I’ll chew on your stuff and get back to you.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Where are you on the Okafor vs. West question? What do your stats tell you about that one?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is it about David West being cheaper that makes you think he's so worth it?
I don’t get it CC. I just don’t get it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hypothetically you send Hawes to the bench
for a more exp Center. Can you send JT there? I think not, Not for West.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
West doesn't help you on the interior defensively
How hard is that to understand?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Okafor
doesn’t spread the floor. I am sure you understand that concept.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what?
That’s not what you’re acquiring Okafor to do.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is for Otis. I know where you stand.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can read.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just from seeing him play a half dozen times
I love David West. I wouldn’t cry over a West-JT-Hawes triumverate. But then again, that’s what my eyes tell me, I haven’t really looked in depth at West’s numbers.
I get what pookey is saying though – West does a lot of the things JT does, but doesn’t address the interior defense problem that Okafor would. Still, I’d have to disagree with him on West in general…
How’s that for a wishy-washy answer??? :)
by otis29 on Nov 16, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have anything against David West
What I don’t really see is how he helps the Kings get beyond where they’re currently at. The argument isn’t about his abilities as a player either. They’re fine; All-Star level in some respects.
But my argument isn’t about West the player. My argument is how West really helps the Kings get better in area’s they desperately need to address to take the next step. What I fail to see is how West addresses those area’s.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do see that
And I agree that Okafor addresses some glaring deficiencies this team still has at the 5 spot. West isn’t going to help in that regard.
by otis29 on Nov 16, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to go crazy here
West is a good player, I’d just rather have a C.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they both made $8 million a year
I might agree with you. But they don’t.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they both made 8 million a year
Okafor wouldn’t be traded for Kenny Thomas straight up. New Orleans would be looking for a much better package. And, if he was on the market, the deal would have been done already.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For that matter
I’m not sure Charlotte trades Okafor.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought I had
But I’m going to see how Okafor did defensively against some of the better centers last year: Howard, Yao Ming, O’Neal, Bogut, and Bynum.
Dwights 08-09 stats: 20.6 PPG, 13.8 RPG, 57.2% from the field
Against Charlotte in 08-09: 18.0 PPG, 13.5 RPG, 56.8% from the field
Ming 08-09 stats: 19.7 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 54.8%
Against Charlotte: 21.0 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 72.7%
Shaq 08-09 stats: 17.8 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 60.9%
Against Charlotte: 20.0 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 59.1%
Bogut 08-09 stats: 11.7 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 57.7%
Against Charlotte: 8.0 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 43.5%
Bynum 08-09 stats: 14.3 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 56.0%
Against Charlotte: 24.0 PPG, 14.0 RPG, 71.4%
It seems like Okafor has the exact same problem guarding the big strong centers as JT and Spence do. He might do a little better, but those Centers still play pretty well against him.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That's interesting
And I’m not really surprised. It’s my single biggest concern about Okafor. Is that his ceiling has already been tapped. The only way the Kings win any deal with Okafor is Jason Thompson improves on that end (which is not something I’d bet at this point).
Okafor is what he is, at the price he is. You’re not going to get more for Kenny Thomas’ contract, who actually improves the team. (No team will give up a contract that expires in 2011 for Kenny Thomas. Especially if that player is of value ont he court.) Additionally, Okafor might actually be thrilled to play on a team that goes out and plays like it matters every night.
I would actually be far more perturbed with a Tyson Chandler trade because of his injury history. But, whatever. Charlotte ain’t giving him up.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chandler also has a lot more miles (games) on his body
Big men with injury histories tend to remain that way.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chandler doesn't really fix the issue's the Kings have
He might be better defensively (somewhat) than Okafor, but he’s far worse than Okafor offensively. There are 2 ends to the game. If you have a great offense, and a good defense, you can win a lot of games that way.
That’s what people didn’t understand during the Rick Adelman era.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a team game
You have to take into account that he’d be playing along side JT. Has he ever played beside another rebounder or defender of any kind? I don’t think so.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Wallace
But does he count as a PF?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
And Its not just the numbers, its the physical presence. "alone on an Island’ is not what you want when you’re going up against those guys. Its multiple guys and spare fouls as needed.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're still dealing with an incredibly small sample size in the head-to-head matchups
You can’t know how many of the opposition center’s points were scored while Okafor was in the game, if he had the flu, a bum ankle, none of it.
You look at a player’s body of work, what he earns, and the potential of what you’d be giving up. Shaq, Yao and Bynum played Charlotte, what? Twice each last season? Trying to slice the numbers into razor-thin slices like this is, likely as not, misleading, and tells us very little.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 16, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should have said
But Okafor played all 82 games for the past two years. So he played in each of those games.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do get your point about small sample size though.
But he’d to face some up and comers like Bynum and Oden a lot more over here in Sac (which I guess he’s already going to be doing in Nawlins). I just don’t know if he can handle the bigger guys. He’d be perfect if JT could develop into a strong defensive center.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which I don't see happening anytime soon.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if we can compliment Nocioni for holding Durant to 37
…because Noc was out of the game when some of the points were scored, you’d need a more in depth analysis to convince me that Okafor underperforms against big centers.
Especially when the difference for Shaq and Yao was about a bucket per game.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 16, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess.
He is known as a good defender. But it looks like we’re not going to make the deal anyway so its all sort of moot point.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fun to talk about though.
Much better than last year’s trade talks, when we just wanted to get rid of people for the sake of getting rid of them.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not how I remember it.
This is easy.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 16, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that may be the case
…but I’m going to keep being contrary anyway.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 16, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be disappointed in you if you didn't.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I believe its a dead deal
Makes a lot of sense for them to me. But CP3 would be piiiiiiissed.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he'd care Okafor is gone
because from what I’ve read they haven’t really been gelling, I think he’d be more pissed that Chandler, his BFF, essentially was traded for nothing.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we don't get Peja's giant contract
And the bad back he’s gotten from lugging it around.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 16, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd want CP3 if we had to take Peja back
Pun intended.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 16, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Beno + K-9 works!!!!
:)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if Paul has a high ankle sprain, or a deep bone bruise?
The former are a bitch, and take months to get over, and you just never know if it gets back to 100%.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 16, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll wait
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I'd be the first to say this, at least I hope not.
We aren’t getting Chris Paul under any circumstances.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Nov 16, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No we're not
New Orleans would love to dump Okafor’s salary, save some luxury tax this season, and luxury tax next season, and then rebuild the team through the draft by getting a C they think will be a better fit than Chandler.
I personally think that dumping Okafor will happen. It’s just a matter of time before New Orleans can accomplish it. It’s just that Kenny Thomas contract is ideal for New Orleans in that it will make it easier to make the rebuilding happen quickly.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And keep CP3 happy through all that?
He’s a good guy but you’d think he’ll have to start howling at some point.
I think a trade of West (not CP3’s buddy) is probably in the future as he’s pretty tradable to a contender (Cleveland)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If his ankle is bad
He won’t have to live through it. The Hornets may just tell him to have surgery and end the year.
As far as West to a contender like Cleveland, that means that NO gives up West. I doubt that if only because West is a pretty useful offensive piece when going well.
I think Okafor is far more likely to be pawned off because not every ownership in the league will be scared off by Okafor’s contract.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Suddenly I see NO winning the lottery
What’s better for the league than Chris Paul playing with an elite young big? Paging Mr. Stern…
by propane on Nov 16, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$$$
If a championship is out of sight with that roster, the sooner they save money and start over (with CP3 almost certainly) the better.
Its an argument anyway, as I don’t see that just replacing Okafor with some probably cheaper but less talented big does anything, and doesn’t really free up any salary room to sign Bosh or something.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if they get a high pick
That’s how they replace Okafor. Or that would be the reasoning I’d imagine.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is
Until at least 2011-2012. Even then, New Orleans would be crazy to trade him unless CP3 flat out tells them he’s opting out of his final year and going elsewhere.
I’m not sure there is a GM dumb enough to trade a sure-fire hall of famer while he’s young.
by otis29 on Nov 16, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Change 'dumb enough'
to ‘desperate’ and broke, and there’s a case to be made. But I don’t think it happens this year if it ever does.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 16, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, i don't know why this is so
entertaining for me. But as a totally unbiased outside viewpoint, i’d make this trade. Sac is not going to get anybody better than Okafor to come via FA. And as a fan money should not be that much of a concern. Okafor is better than any bigs on this team, stats or not. He makes the team better now and into the future.
...and that's a good thing
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 16, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want to have had to make this decision involving that much money...
but if I did, I may decide to make the trade. I’ve always thought that Okafor would be the perfect type of third big to play with JT and Hawes. It would be great to continue starting the two of them (because they seem to be growing into a nice tandem) and giving someone like Okafor (or Gortat) alot of minutes off the bench. Okafor would just be way too expensive minutes. More than K9, who everyone is dying to get rid of. But still, he’s pretty good. Just hearing that K9’s expiring could’ve possibly netted Okafor, it was encouraging.
I’ve always thought the perfect stats for a third big would be 10pts, 10reb, 2blk. Since everyone keeps downplaying 10-10-2, I looked on NBA.com to get stats from the last 4 years.
The only players to average more rebounds than Okafor each of the last 4 years are: Howard, Camby, Duncan, Boozer, Jefferson and Randolph. Six players. Sac would have the 7th best rebounder over the last 4 years. If that would continue for the next 4 years, is he worth the money?
The only players to average more blocks than Okafor each of the last 4 years are:
Howard and Camby. Two players. If that would continue is it worth the money?
Notice, not on those lists are Bosh, KG, David Lee, Kaman, Biedrins, etc.
I know there’s questions about his interior D on the real big centers and his scoring (10-14 ppg) but what do you expect to get for ol’ K9. Okafor’s stats seem great and his salary seems pretty fair. Like I said, I would want to be on the line for that decision. Maybe the next deal will be a no brainer.
by busybe on Nov 16, 2009 9:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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