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Sacramento vs. Memphis aka the StR whipping boys game



As part of 30Qs, Mr. Tom Ziller asked StR who we thought was going to be the Kings’ whipping boy this upcoming season (sorry for not linking it). If I’m not mistaken, Beno Udrih won the distinguished poll and was the center of many jokes. Well StR, I talked to Mr. Udrih after the game tonight and he told me to pass along this message “Joke’s on you!!!”

Star-divide

Ok, maybe I didn’t talk to Beno and I don’t really think joke’s on us, but I do believe that tonight’s game was a bit of a coming out party for the whipping boys of StR: Beno Udrih and Spencer Hawes.

I’ll write about them first to get that out of the way. The only reason we won this game is because of Beno Udrih, Spencer Hawes, and Kevin Martin. At least that’s how I saw it tonight. Beno came in and did what Reke couldn’t do, run the team and, truly, make the players around him better. Even if it was just for one game, Beno deserved to be on the floor as much as he did. He was clutch and hit shots that kept us in the game, including the game tying layup that sent it to OT. By the way, who made the tough pass so that Beno could make that shot?

Iloveeveryone, this is the game that makes me wish you were still here, maybe I’ll go find you at sacbee.com/kings.....mmmmmmmm...... not.

Ladies and gentlemen, members of the “Hawes is not a true 5” committee, let me introduce to you Mr. Spencer Hawes. If this was PW’s plan all along, I think he did great. Spencer showed the whole arsenal. Post moves, outside shots, rebounds, assists, running the offense off the high post, even blocks. I can’t wait to hear someone complain about Spence. I haven’t read the game thread yet so we’ll see what people came up with. Remember this game because this is the one when Spencer earned his starting spot. “Coach, you know more about basketball that I would probably learn in my whole life but the Sean May experiment ends... let me think about it... about..... NOW.”

Enough with the whipping boys, more game notes:

It was awesome to see Arco almost full (sell out maybe, but not everyone showed up). The crowd got a bit restless during an awful first quarter but it got more into the game as the Kings kept it close and was on fire at the end of the 4th and the whole overtime period. It was great to have that atmosphere in Arco again. On a personal note I really want to ask you all (those who are in the area) to go to Arco and support this team. I know most of you do, but it is really important that we do out part in helping this franchise stay in Sac and, really, help the team become successful. These young guys are hustling, diving, and playing as hard as they can, and after an unforgettable last season (for the wrong reasons) it’s time we step up. Anyways, about the game...

Horrible start but as the players settled and the ball started to move, the team got better. It was obviously a bad night for our main rookie. Reke seemed very nervous and you could tell got down on himself after miss shot, or every turnover. He wasn;t horrible, but he just wasn’t effective. The team was clearly late to get into the offense when he was bringing the ball up and he did seem to pound the rock a bit too much. I trust the coaching staff to work on this and I definitely trust in Reke bouncing back and having much better games. It’s so unfortunate that whenever Martin’s hot, Reke is not. I can’t wait for those guys to get it going in the same game.

Kevin was money. 48 points? Make it look easy Speed!! Every time I see this guy live I come out more and more  impressed. It makes me hate those who ask for him to be traded or that say that all he does is score even more.  Kevin may have his flaws but he’s one of the best at what he does: scoring and the team just needs to find him the perfect complements. I think GP is doing just that. Quick note: don’t like Kevin Martin? You’re a dumbass. Yes, YOU!!

Omri is making me a believer. Great energy off the bench, hit the open shot, and gave the Kings a lift. I still think he shouldn’t start. He’s doing great at his role right now and there’s still bumps on the road to come, so let’e go easy on the guy and keep cheering for him as the main wing off the becnh. I think with Spencer;s game and hopefully his return to the starting lineup, we have a better balance with Mason out there with Reke, Speed, JT, and Hawes. Beno, Casspi, Noc, and May can come off the bench and be effective depending on the lineups and combination. PW is still trying different things but I think he;s slowly recognizing what works in ceratin situations. It’s going  to take time but I like that he is ready to play whoever is giving him the best chance of winning. He’s not shy about trying different things and I commend him for going with what’s working which brings to another player that allows me to go back to my whipping boy theme.

Ladies and gentlemen, Kenny MotherNatting Thomas. K-9 where have you been, boy?? LOL. Now, I’m not going to praise him or say he was key part of the win, but he helped a lot. He got a couple boards in the 1st when no one seem to be able to get one, and played some tough D on Randolph, letting JT rest with foulr trouble. I support seeing Kenny whenever needed.... not too often though.

Noc had an interesting night. Wasn't too effective throughout the game and afer he got subed in the 4th got so fristrated he threw a towel onto the floor and sat by himself at the end of the bench while the rest of the team listened to the coaches. I was really dissapointed at thta until he came back in OT and helped us put the game away. You can tell the guy wants to win so bad, but he also has to realize tha he is part of the problem. Noce, is you play your role, you'll help this team.

May was meh, Brckman had a nice ovation when he came in was also bleh. Sergio got no minutes, Mason did close to nothing, and Donte was in street clothes. Not much to say on that front.

What can I say? It was the perfect night for the whipping boys and they all came through and help this team get its first win. I can deny it, I felt good. It felt so good sending it to OT and just executing at the end. We all needed a win and these guys delivered. Maybeit was ugly and against another bad team, but as far as I know we are now on the winning column and that’s all that matters. You may want to thank those guys you make fun of, criticize, and talk shit about, everyday. Tonight the deserve it.

Sorry for typos, or some grammar mistakes but I just wanted to post something for ya'll and don't ave muh time to review the text as I gotta get some sleep, long work day tomorrow. Hope you all enojyed the win as much as I did. How about them young Kings, huh?

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Nice to win one

Tough night for JT against Randolph, but am glad Spence finally stepped up his game. Definitely nice to see Beno earn that salary and do great. Definitely continuing to be impressed as Omri improves way faster than anybody expected.

Biggest props to Westphal and Martin. PW put in the right players and brought out what it took from our players to win. Martin just put this team on his back and carried it for stretches to keep it close enough until others could step up for the win.

Great feeling to see the kind of passing and team play… Chemistry perhaps!

by MustangMBS on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the recap

Just got done updating the rosters in fantasy basketball and Kevin Martin is leading the league in scoring. I know it’s only 4 games but damn!

by gtrman1973 on Nov 3, 2009 1:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

total points scored maybe

because he’s played 4 games to Kobe and Melo’s 3. But in points per game he’s tied for 3rd with Bosh with 31.0 per. Melo leads with 37.7 per. Leaders.

Nice writeup Eddumbo. Very exciting game. When you read the game thread notice when I predict Hawes will start the next game.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2009 4:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes kfanito, good call

Among the many things I didn’t write about is hawes being a bit of an emotional leader. You could tell he knew this was his statement game and was constantly hyping up the crowd and his teammates. His confidence is back

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Nov 3, 2009 6:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Are you still drunk?

Jeesh. Kfanito…….

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 3, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really jealous

that you got to go to the game. I watched it at home alone while my fiancee was at work and I still couldn’t stop smiling at the end after Noce hit that very ill-advised 3 ha. It was even good to hear Peaches and Jerry over the league pass broadband..not living in Sac I hadn’t heard them for a long time.
Great game..tons of fun

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Nov 3, 2009 7:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm really jealous that Ed gave kfan a nickname

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad grammar, punctuation

That’s my ed! (Thanks for posting.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 3, 2009 7:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you sir

I just wanted to write something after a good first home game. Definitely wasn’t my best but I’ll add more stuff as I remember it…. like right now:

One thing this team earned last night was my trust. I’m very optimistic most of the time but for some reason I wasn’t expecting to win this game. At the end of regulation I didn’t trust the D to get a stop or anyone in our team to get a bucket, not even Martin. I was ready to leave Arco dissapointed and upset at the Kings wondering what was wrong.

But they proved me wrong and I appreciate that. Beno proved he could be a solid player off the becnh. Spencer proved everyone that eventhough he’s still ‘not a true 5,’ he could still be more than just that, a much better all around player. Kevin proved he was clutch and canbe counted to get buckets when we need them. Omri proved he’s ready to contribute in close games. The team as a whole proved it has a lot of heart and they may not be as talented as other team s in the L, but they can still find ways to win games when not everyone has it going (Reke, JT)

The future begins now...

by eduardo_m7 on Nov 3, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's funny

I had a feeling they would win. The thing I didn’t write in my own recap was I love the design of the last play between Spencer & Beno. Whether or not PW drew that up, it was an incredibly useful way to run a play where Kevin Martin drew 2 defenders with him.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 3, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

So our veteran, who came in and totally outplayed the new guy at his position—a position where the new guy has shown flashes, but is inconsistent—has won back his starting role.

Ladies and gentleman, welcome back your starting PG, Beno Udrich.

Sorry, couldn’t resist. I think Hawes did or will probably win back the starting spot. And I think that Evans will work things out. But if last night “proved” Hawes should be starting, then Beno should be starting as well.

Go ahead and start throwing eggs.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

consider yourself yoked

What Beno did do is hopefully convince PW that he can come in and play the 1-2, eat up minutes and play well. Hell, we knew Beno was capable of playing well, we’ve seen it in the past. I’ve always thought he took waay too much of the blame for last season myself. He’s a good PG when there are actual plays being run. He’s not a freelancer, he needs some Natting plays to execute. When he gets them, he executes them correctly more often than not.

Yes, those were Plays, actual designed plays we saw last night.

Interesting how often KM brought the ball down last night. I think they really are determined to share the ball handling duties, develop a versatile team.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The reason you noticed that there were plays lttg

Is that because PW actually tailors plays to the players strengths. It’s a novel concept, but ReggieMusselNatt didn’t always subscribe to this theory. (Individual play is also a problem with this group still, but it always will be. We are, after all, all individuals.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 3, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're like a pitbull on a raw piece of steak

Are you going to do this EVERY time Beno has a decent game, or EVERY time Tyreke has a poor outing? Because I figured you of all people would look beyond small sample sizes when trying to back up your opinion.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 3, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious

What exactly do you think my opinion is?

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If anything

I am arduing over NOT making decisions based on a small sample.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So it was sarcasm?

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 3, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Flaw in your logic about small samples

is that the four game sample, as opposed to the 1, show that Evans and Hawes have outplayed Udrih and May, So the supposition that Hawes should start is supported, but the one for Beno is not.

by ElRonToro on Nov 3, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And that would be based on, what exactly?

See my answer to Otis below.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That you're still pining away for Ricky Rubio

And taking it out on Tyreke. :)

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 3, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

:)

Nope. LPA was the one who kept pining for Rubio. As soon as GP said that Evans was the better player, I believed him. And I want Evans to succeed. What I want is for players to earn their starting minutes. I don’t believe that Evans has earned anything yet. He has only played one solid game out of four this season. You talk about earning starting minutes, so let’s examine what May vs Hawes and Beno vs Evans.

Funny, that you accuse me of making decisions based on my opinion and trying to change the numbers to match that. But let’s look at the four regular season games we have played so far and see who has earned minutes.

In four games, Hawes has averaged 15.5 pts and 9 rebounds per 36. May, the guy who people suddenly want to put behind K-9, has averaged 16.5 and 10. Hmmm, must be that I am just a pit bull with a steak. But surely Evans has earned his starting spot.

Over four games, Evans has averaged 12.6 pts and 4.3 assists per 36. And Beno?
3.7 and 6.1. So again, I’ll ask who is making decisions based on what they “want to believe?”

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That should say 13.7 and 6.1 for Beno.

Again, I agree it is from a very small sample. But YTD, it is what it is.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not following

How did I accuse you of changing the numbers?

Just to simplify things, I’ll give you my opinion. Tyreke Evans is a better basketball player right now than Beno Udrih. Beno Udrih has made himself something of a known (inconsistent) commodity in the league. So one good game from Beno doesn’t get me all giddy inside.

And equating the Sean May and Tyreke Evans situations is a huge stretch. One is a guy who, between injuries and weight issues, had just about played himself out of the league when the Kings called. The other is a guy who’s pretty clearly the future of this franchise.

I think Coach Westphal is smart enough to see the difference between the two scenarios.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 3, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you look at my original comment

You’ll see that I was pointing out the inconsistancy of deciding after one great game that Hawes is now amazing again and that Mays should be put behind K-9. By that token, Beno should be the starting PG. This, even though both Beno and May have better numbers than Evans and Hawes this year. Nothing at all wrong with saying that we want these players to start because we think they are the future. But trying to say that Evans and Hawes have clearly outplayed Beno and Mays this season is incorrect. That was my point. For what it’s worth, I think Hawes and Evans should probably start, even though you can’t say that they have earned it yet.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Beno

is kinda like Mason in one particular aspect. They have found themselves on the wrong side of the fans, but neither because of the way that they play. I don’t feel that anyone was mad at Beno for being Beno last year—his stats from two years ago to last year are almost identical (defense notwithstanding). I think they were upset because they didn’t like Beno’s contract, or his prominant role on a very bad team. Similarly, I dont think many fans dislike Mason, per se—but rather his role in the starting lineup—the way he is used by management.

by DustyG on Nov 3, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Think I am going to have to join the "It's just one game" club

Beno played so poorly last year that it was a foregone conclusion we HAD to draft a point guard with our top pick.

The Kings added insult to injury by adding Sergio Rodriguez to give Beno a battle for the backup spot. Then they gave him a DNP in the opener. He did nothing to impress in the first three games and in fact got torched by the top-caliber point guards we faced.

He played well last night — very well. But it’s only one game balanced with a whole year of morbid play, and he still is a major defensive liability.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 3, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was a foregone conclusion that the Kings needed a franchise player first & foremost

For the Kings, and with really the entire draft board at their disposal, the player that was likely to make them better for the longer term was at PG given the depth at the position in that particular draft.

The Kings simply chose who they thought the best player of that crop was for them.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

did nothing to impress in the first three games

are you including the game he didn’t play? Because he obviously impressed in the 3rd game he played. But I partially agree with

he still is a major defensive liability.

Partially, because I wouldn’t use the word major. He was definitely a defensive liability against Paul & Parker, but he held his own against Conley. Where as, Tyreke held his own against Westbrook &Paul & Conley, and struggled against Parker.

The only reason for Beno to start, is if Tyreke isn’t 100%. Our bench isn’t strong, and if Beno can perform as he did in the Memphis game, then our bench becomes increasingly better. With Tyreke coming off the bench, he’s going to get doubled consistently until the other bench players prove they can punish the other team for doubling Tyreke.

Tyreke has to make shots coming off the bench because without Martin on the floor were sorely in need of scoring. Beno’s shot & playmaking are our advantage when he comes off the bench rather than Tyreke. Tyreke’s lack of a consistent jumpshot isn’t as big of a negative in the starting lineup.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 4, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!
He’s a good PG when there are actual plays being run.

What I’d like to see is more of that when ’Reke is on the floor. I definitely think he has a TON of talent. But his lack of experience is showing. I wonder if PW would have run the same play at the end of regulation if Evans was in at the one.

I’m hoping Beno proves to PW that when Evans is not at his best or when the matchups are wrong, it is just fine to sit the new guy and rely on the vet. Of course I’m also hoping the new guy gets it all together.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think maybe you are too worried about wins and losses

In a season where there will be a lot of losses, no matter who starts and plays the lion’s share of minutes at PG.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 3, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait haven't we had this discussion before

And didn’t everyone tell me it is all about wins and losses? That every coach is trying to get as many wins as possible?

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 3, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not with me

Although I’m not too interested in tanking for a better lottery spot, the actual win total to me is not important this season.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 3, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Beef with Beno

Beno Udrih has been a spinning coin – sometimes heads, sometimes tails.

LPA did a wonderful piece about this some months back. My recollection of the post had to do with effort. Desire. Team devotion. Not lack of talent.

It is not a solitary opinion. The Kings FO made clear that their roster lacked a PG presence. Hello Tyreke Evans.Hello Sergo Rodriguez.

Beno has the goods to be worth the contract he signed. The NBA game is built on consistency. If the heady-ness of Beno in the second half becomes common place, the guy will play major minutes. We all know he can do it, and last night was an example.

Make Bad Beno go away. Let the good Beno on the right shoulder clunk the Bad Beno on the left shoulder and leave him on the bench with bad K9 and 79 games of Bad Ike. If Good Beno returns, we fans are fickle, we forgive much and forget more. We will hold a broken razor, look like a Euro week in his honor.

Oppurtunity is knocking.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 3, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i think the play from Beno and Spencer

Has something to do with their half beards. Don’t shave em dudes, they make ya look rugged!

That is the key. Facial hair. It intimidates the heck out of opposing players.

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by Ice_9ine on Nov 3, 2009 11:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I think they're just jealous of Omri

but if it works it works.

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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

jealous of his facial hair, that is.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Omri..

How about that confidence Westphal has in the rookie to keep him in at the end of the game, and he delivered. The future is bright in the 916.

by UCIrvine kings fan on Nov 3, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it is easier to put confidence in a man

When he has that cool, scruffy look. It is just so manly!

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

Casspi was in with the game on the line.

Awesome for him and for us.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 3, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just like that PW

is willing to play the guys who are feeling it and sit down the one’s that aren’t

by ElRonToro on Nov 3, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He kept Brockman in the entire 4th quarter of the NO game

but that didn’t work out as well.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 4, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He seems to be experimenting quite a bit

I hope some sort of a rotation starts forming soon. I think it will, and I like that he’s trying different combos as he learns what his players can do.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 4, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Until he tries different lineup's and combinations

How will he know they will or won’t work?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There will alway be controversy

when a manager pulls his starter in the 9th when he’s going well , even for the star reliever.

And, it’s the same here where PW left his star center on the bench and let the rookie who had been playing well, finish the game. I’m certainly not saying it was 100% the wrong move, just that it is controversial.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 5, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wait, wait

Star Center? I missed the Dwight Howard trade?!?! Why wasn’t it on the front page?

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

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