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Sorry y'all, can't watch the game tonight. Something more serious weighing on my mind right now.

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Just kidding! Y'all know where my heart lies. It's Paul Westphal you need to crack. (SPOILER ALERT! Donte Greene started Tuesday.)

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THE OPPONENT

For all the bouquets Phoenix (10-3) has been bestowed with, Dallas (9-3) has been just as surprisingly good. Don't forget that Josh Howard has (basically) missed the whole shebang, that Shawn Marion missed the team's win over the Spurs Wednesday and has generally had to work out his role in this odd rotation, and that Jason Kidd is older than Edward Cullen. (I can do this all day! All. Day.) Don't shirk the impact of Drew Gooden either -- he's missed a couple games, but had a big night against San Antonio.

Dallas has only one home loss so far, an opening night(mare) against the Wizards. Since then, the Mavs have beat the Jazz, Raptors, Rockets and Spurs in Dallas. The two road losses have come in New Orleans and San Antonio.


FG3PTFTReboundsMisc
GMMAPctMAPctMAPctOffDefTotAstTOStlBlkPFPPG
Dirk Nowitzki 12 38.5 9.4 21.1 44.7 1.0 2.8 36.4 7.7 8.5 90.2 0.8 8.4 9.3 2.6 1.5 1.1 1.6 2.2 27.5
Jason Terry 12 34.2 5.7 13.3 42.8 1.5 4.6 32.7 4.2 5.2 80.6 0.4 2.4 2.8 3.2 1.6 1.6 0.1 1.6 17.0
Josh Howard 3 22.3 4.3 12.3 35.1 1.0 3.3 30.0 3.0 4.7 64.3 1.0 2.7 3.7 0.7 0.7 1.3 0.0 1.7 12.7
Shawn Marion 11 32.1 5.6 11.5 49.2 0.0 0.2 0.0 1.4 1.7 78.9 2.7 3.8 6.5 1.5 1.3 1.2 0.8 1.6 12.6
Drew Gooden 8 23.5 3.8 7.9 47.6 0.0 0.1 0.0 1.6 2.3 72.2 2.0 4.4 6.4 0.1 1.0 0.4 1.1 3.5 9.1
Jose Barea 12 23.7 3.1 8.0 38.5 1.0 2.7 37.5 1.8 2.1 84.0 0.3 1.8 2.1 3.7 1.3 0.2 0.2 2.1 8.9
Rodrigue Beaubois 8 12.3 3.1 5.3 59.5 0.6 1.4 45.5 0.8 1.0 75.0 0.1 0.8 0.9 1.1 1.3 0.4 0.3 1.4 7.6
Erick Dampier 9 26.9 3.1 4.8 65.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.3 2.2 60.0 3.0 6.7 9.7 0.4 1.0 0.2 2.2 3.1 7.6
Jason Kidd 12 35.8 2.3 6.3 37.3 1.6 3.9 40.4 0.2 0.2 100.0 0.6 5.2 5.8 8.9 3.0 1.7 0.3 1.7 6.4
Kris Humphries 11 14.3 2.4 5.3 44.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.1 1.8 60.0 1.8 2.6 4.5 0.4 0.8 0.4 0.5 2.2 5.8
Quinton Ross 11 14.8 1.0 2.5 39.3 0.2 0.7 25.0 0.2 0.3 66.7 0.5 0.8 1.3 0.3 0.0 0.2 0.3 2.1 2.4
James Singleton 8 7.8 0.9 2.1 41.2 0.5 1.3 40.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.4 1.5 1.9 0.1 0.6 0.4 0.3 1.8 2.3
Tim Thomas 1 13.0 1.0 4.0 25.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 2.0
Matt Carroll 5 4.2 0.4 1.4 28.6 0.2 0.8 25.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.2 0.2 0.4 0.0 0.2 0.2 0.0 0.6 1.0


Dirk Nowitzki is not of this planet. It's no use asking how the Kings will defend him, because no one in the league can defend him. Except for Udonis Haslem, and mid-career Peja Stojakovic. I don't even know who you put on Dirk if you're the Kings. Everyone is too small or too green.

Wait ... too green?

Donte Greene, step right up. Here is the most skilled 7-footer in NBA history. Enjoy.

THE KEY BATTLE

Tyreke Evans vs. Rodrigue Beaubois. Beaubois, the Guadeloupe product, is incredibly athletic. As it turns out, he can shoot too. Who knew?! Evans might have his hands full, assuming he guards Beaubois and not Kidd. We haven't really seen Evans defend off-ball energy guards much -- he's usually locked in on a primary ball-handler, something Beaubois is not (right now). At the other end, while Evans has a length advantage and I assume a strength advantage, Beaubois is agile and spirited, a combination which usually makes for solid defense. We'll see.

NUMERIC PREDICTION

Now that the Kings have 10 games under their collective belt (that's a big belt!), we can use current point margins to predict how the game will shake down. By raw points differential, Dallas is a +7.7 and Sacramento is a -1.8 per game. The home team gets three points. Therefore, points differential would predict a ... 12.5-point win for Dallas.

Basketball-Reference adjusts points differential for strength of schedule, and calls it Simple Rating System. The Kings have actually had the league's 10th toughest schedule so far, and as such the team's SRS is -1.17. The Mavs have an SRS of +5.89. Again using three points for home court advatange, SRS would predict a ... 10.06-point win for Dallas.

I was writing some Bella Swan/Ron Weasley/Kathy Ireland love triangle fanfic last night when an algorithm for predicting basketball games came to me. I call it Sexy Systemic Rating System. The formula is too complicated for publication in full on a mere blog, but here's the idea:

(Points scored - points surrendered) + (1,000,000*Number of Donte Greene's on active roster)

According to SSRS and using three points for home court advantage, the result will be a ... 999,987.5-point win for Sacramento. Yay!

BOLD PROCLAMATION

Spencer Hawes will collect 17 rebounds. Not a single one more!

DETAILS

The game will begin shortly after 5:30 PM Pacific, provided Mark Cuban doesn't cancel the game for obvious New Moon related reasons. Game thread at 5:30, Game thread II at 6:30, post-game thread at 8:15.

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...recap whenever you finish your lively debate with "vamplvr95" on a different site tomorrow

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 20, 2009 12:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

TZ is a heartsick teenaged girl!

Bella Swam FTW!

Nice preview, Go Kings!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Teenage heartache is right

Uhg, twilight is juvie romance with vampies . . . .

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Pride and Prejudice and Zombies

of the teenage romance novel.
(PP&Z is hysterical by the way, especially if you know your literature – but its trying to be.)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SPOILER!

Bella dies, at which point Edward and Jakob admit their love for one another.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Nov 20, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

rec'd immediately for the pic

rec’d again if I could for the write-up.

Also, thanks for the HP ref. I’ve been waiting patiently.

Go Kings!

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 20, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You got it

I can’t believe I’ve held out for so long. My recaps are way too sober.

by Ziller on Nov 20, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Recaps can be sober

As long as the previews are written by a man who seems to be drunk. Bravo.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 20, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I’ll give you benefit of the doubt.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 20, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta tell ya

It’s hard to imagine TZ going on a drunken rant.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would expect it to have blood alcohol levels - both peaks and expected outcomes

along with a chart – pie and/or graph – and references to possible mixed cocktails that may be ingested.
see chart below:

by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Which color was Sex on the Beach?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't say I'm surprised by Roddy B's early success

I was hoping we could pick him up with the 31 when we had it, but he really climbed the draft boards. Good for him.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Nov 20, 2009 12:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Gooden...

That waive looks worse all the time.

by MustangMBS on Nov 20, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not really

It saved the Kings a few hundred thousand dollars at least. He wouldn’t have resigned here.

by Ziller on Nov 20, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That is true. He isn’t exactly cheap and not part of the long term plan.

by MustangMBS on Nov 20, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

According to Amick

It was quite a bit more than that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey the Kings weren't contending at the time

Kings org. was looking to cut costs, and a buyout was a way.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.

by tomkanti on Nov 20, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes correct

My point was that the Kings aved quite a bit more than a couple hundred grand. (You’d have to click on the link to know that.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did realize..

that it was 2 million. I can see waiving him for a cool couple mil.

I was just looking at the roster and imagining having Gooden. I like what he does and wouldn’t mind having him…

by MustangMBS on Nov 20, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is and always was

Do you relegate JT to being a back-up? Gooden wouldn’t put up with it on last years team anyway. Also, He’s playing with a lot of determination right now, that hasn’t been his history.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On a game-related note

I think Nowitzki has 30+ points for sure. There’s really nobody on the Kings that can stop him. On offense, Tyreke and Beno need to have a great game. Kidd can’t guard either of them, and Ross might have to guard Greene because Beaubois won’t be able to. ‘Reke is bigger and stronger than any of their guards, and they don’t have Antoine “Kevin Martin stopper” Wright on their team any more. We’ll see. It’ll be an interesting game for sure, still think we lose.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Nov 20, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

on an unrealted side note

Thorpe has a new Sophomore rankings up on ESPN, someone with insider should go and check out where JT is ranked.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Currently 4th
4. Jason Thompson, Kings
Thompson has had some monster games for the resurgent Kings, showing his promise as both a power forward and a center. His activity inside, combined with his size and length, create many opportunities for him as both a scorer and a rebounder. Unfortunately, it also puts him in frequent foul trouble. As he learns to play smarter, the Kings will have a legit starting big man.

Marc Gasol, Russell Westbrook and Roy Hibbert (!) are the top 3. Oden is #5, and Donté comes in at #16 (but disappointingly, no “é” included in his name).

by otis29 on Nov 20, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Additional rankings of interest:

’#6 – Brook Lopez
’#8 – Anthony Randolph
’#9 – Rudy Fernandez
’#11 – O.J. Mayo
’#12 – Eric Gordon
’#19 – Derrick Rose
’#20 – Michael Beasley

Important note: This is strictly based on performance in the current season.

by otis29 on Nov 20, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That Beasley pick looks worse every day doesn't it?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think anyone has an idea what spot he really plays at. Plus now other teams are shy to try and take him on because of his off court issues.

by Hilton on Nov 20, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Still only his second year

He’ll be a good player. Does he have a starting position, a starters game though? Hard to tell.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He starts

But is not to be seen anywhere at the end of the game. He rarely is even in during the fourth. I agree it is early but that is a scary thing for a #2 pick when he had so much hype.

by Hilton on Nov 20, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
  1. is excellent! #16 is very nice too, and surprising. I wasn’t hopeful that he’d be in the top 20.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

▲ 1. = #4

stupid autoformatting

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's a pain

That’s why I threw in the apostraphes before my number signs.

by otis29 on Nov 20, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! We are resurgent! Woohoo!

Seriously though, Roy Hibbert? Whatev, Mr. Thorpe. Whatev.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's time for all you Hibbert haters to recognize

The guy actually has some potential. And is playing well this season.

by otis29 on Nov 20, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wish we had him, actually.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was a Hibbert fan

From his time and Georgetown. Had he declared for the draft with Spencer… the King’s most likely would have taken Hibbert… they were very high on him as I recall.

Blessings.Love.Peace

by lifestyleforthesellout on Nov 20, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hibbert

He’s a guy that lost some money going back for another season in college.

by otis29 on Nov 20, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For Sure.

But he wanted the extra Seasoning… and attempt at winning the National title.
And he’s still young as well.

I think he will be a 10+ year Rotation Big on ANY team in the NBA. Probably sneak a couple all-star appearances as well.

Blessings.Love.Peace

by lifestyleforthesellout on Nov 20, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's got to stay nimble (for him)

If he gets any slower he’s in real trouble long term.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

12.8 points, 9.4 boards, 2.4 blocks, 56% shooting, 21.8 PER. He’s been very good so far.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

21.8 PER? Wow.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Small sample size of course, but that's what hes' ranking

Compare to JT:

14.2 points, 10.0 boards, 1.3 blocks, 45% shooting, 19.5 PER

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JT really needs to finish better. He gets the opportunities. Ugh. 45% is ugly for where he shoots from.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, I was going to make that exact comment, and then I forgot to. Glad you followed-through

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 20, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd for brutal hilarity

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by section214 on Nov 20, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Best. Pic. Ever. OMFGOMFG!

someone needs to blow that up and put it on a poster for the next home game

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Terry, Berea, & Kidd took 134 of the Mavs 214 3's

I’d like to see PW matchup Tyreke on Kidd, Beno on Terry, & Sergio on Barea.

The best way to defend Dirk is to keep him from getting the ball. And, the best way to do that is to crowd Kidd and don’t let him pass. Tyreke is long enough and quick enough to stay close to Kidd and make it tough to get off a good pass. Tyreke also doesn’t fall for fakes, and Kidd isn’t quick enough to get around Tyreke. So, Tyreke should be able to cut down on Kidds assists and 3pt shots.

Dallas and the Kings are shooting the ball equally well (45%) and both rebound well. Dallas steals the ball as often, but they do defend well. Limit their 3pt shooting and don’t make bad passes, and we should be able to stay in the game. Keep Dirk off the FT line,but foul Gooden everytime he gets the ball in close.

If Dampier isn’t playing, the Mavs have Dirk (7ft), Gooden (6’10") & Thomas (6’10), so they don’t outsize us and don’t have any energy guys to challenge JT. And, Dampier is by far their best shot blocker, so we should be able to score inside. I don’t think we’re ready to win this game, but the Mavs can be challenged inside

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 20, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So, do the Kings play 3 guards if Dallas does?

Sergio, Beno, Evans, Greene, Spencer?

I think Sergio can keep up with JJ. Beno can make Kidd work, Evans can drive or post up Roddy.

I do have a hope that Sergio can help revive our dear friend Mr. Hawes. Maybe this is the game?

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 1:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

I’d sure like to see Sergio, Beno, Casspi, Noce(?) as a shooters lineup with a big man at some point. Not sure we’ve seen it yet.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would depend on which 3 guards.

Even with 3 guards, it’s unlikely the Dallas plays Kidd at the SF and takes the ball out of his hands. If they did, then I wouldn’t play 3 guards. I"d still play to our strong suit, and put Udoka or Omri on Kidd. And, play a combo of Tyreke & Sergio & Beno depending on who the Mavs had in the backcourt.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 20, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like to go with our bigger shooters

to balance our lack of size depth. Thus my lineup above for portions of the game. Donte’ is going to have to show it to me for a while. Still chuckin’ too much (though he looks like he has a future again!)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas is hurt

He didn’t play last game, but frankly I hope he plays so Spencer has someone to cover.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 20, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can the King's Backcourt (Evans) produce enough to make up for Dirk Diggler?

No one can stop Nowitzki on our team. But will they be able to stop Tyreke?

Beno has been playing well, but he needs to step it up as well. Hopefully he can get at least 20 points.

JT needs to recover from the Bull’s game. Gooden isn’t as big as Noah, but he is a similar type of player. Thompson needs to make his shots when he gets them. I think that will be better for him this game.

Casspi also didn’t play well, but I look for him to really come out and play big this game. No way he shames his people 2 games in a row.

Greene needs to not be overconfident after having his best game of his career, but he needs to continue to be aggressive, and use his size inside.

Sergio and K9 need to do what they do. Udoka needs to make some 3s!

I think this will be a really fun game to watch, until Dirk blows up in the 3rd quarter. It will be a true test, this is the best team the Kings have faced all season. I can’t say that I expect a win though. Dirk is MVP so far. And they have good fans in Dallas. I just hope it isn’t a blowout.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Omri is by far our best shooter right now.

and it’s not based on an insignificant amount of attempts.

This is one of those games that we shouldn’t win, based stricktly on talent. So, PW needs to put his best guys out there and let them play thru their mistakes. Let Omri put up 8 3’s and try to guard Dirk. Let Donte attack the rim, and experiment with his new found defensive prowess. Let Sergio run the offense, and see if he can feed Spencer the ball, where he can actually make a decent move.

Don’t fall back into the same old offense. Experiment! See what you have. Let the guys open up. We might be just as surprised as we were when Donte got his 24 & 17.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 20, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

uh, with Kevin out, since when have we had a 'same old' offense

Kevin is our offense. Everything is an experiment now!

I see your point and I agree. Westie needs to let it all hang out this game, and hope for some pleasant surprises.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 1:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a plan

agressive agressive agressive!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa, cowboy! Ease off the steroids.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 1:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

"Audacity, audacity, always audacity."(English translation of the French Proverb)- General George Patton Jr's Favorite Saying

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 1:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love Patton

(Movie version anyway)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rommel - you magnificent bastard - I read your book!

Epic.

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by section214 on Nov 20, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Same old offense with or without Kevin

Basicly I see our offense (this year) as penetrate and shot. Kevin, Beno or Tyreke it’s all the same. Beat your man on your own or with a screen, dribble into the paint and shot or kick out. Very few pick & rolls going to the bigs, very few open mid range jumpers off of double screens, very few passes into the low post, and very few open 3’s after moving the ball to the opposite side following kick outs.

Basicly, it’s the same as last year. Martin and Saloms into the paint (shoot, turnover, or kick out). So, we are a jumpshooting team that reacts off penetration. Martin, Tyreke, Beno penetrate, everyone else move out to the 3 pt line to clear the lane, and then stands around watching to see what the guy with the ball is going to do.. That’s what I’m seeing.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 20, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More screens please!

I agree if thats your point. Making the other guys better makes you look better. Even little guards can set screens if they’re willing.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes,

I believe I have even begged for some double screens. This kind of movement is really needed.

And I agree with the posts above.. Let’s pull out the stops, see how dynamic Sergio can be, and run some fast, small, bball.

by MustangMBS on Nov 20, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its going to be a tough chance IMO

We’d really have to take care of the ball (they’ll kill us if we don’t) and play our very best both defensively and offensively.
In addition, 1 or 2 Mavs would have to have not so good games.

I don’t think they can really guard Casspi or Tyreke if they could get hot. Seems like all the other matchups are even or in Dallas’ favor.

Keep Dirk under 40, stop them from raining 3s – and we’ve got a shot.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I know I am old - looked up Edward Cullen, Bella Swan - AND have recently googled Warbeno as well.

I am still stuck on disagreeing with Paul Westphal’s top 5 Bob Dylan songs. (he left out It ain’t me babe? – really? hard rain ? c’mon PW)

As for the JerryJones of Basketball and his squad:
Dirk is the early MVP in my book – no one can stop the pride of Wurzburg right now.

I think the PG match up is a good call therefore. Why not bigger, stronger Tyreke on future HoF-er Jason Kidd? Kidd has lost at least a half step and that should help defend him, I don’t think JKidd can stay with Tyreke either.
Fouls will be key. Kidd will get the advantage of the calls and non calls. RoddyB is a tough challenge. He has Westbrook-like athletecism and is a tough cover. Beno can’t cover either Kidd or Beuabois but may have more luck with the slower less aggressive version of 2009-10 Kidd. I would like to see the Kings run Beno around a la Kevin Martin to make either of those two work and run on D to minimize their offensive contribution. Beno is a good catch and shoot shooter.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beno can cover Kidd

have you been watching the games? Kidd can only shoot now when he’s left open by double-teams, which happens fairly often with Dirk.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and Beno's D has been solid

This isn’t last years beno.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry gramps

it’s Wabeno.

Though “Warbeno” is pretty badass.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 20, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WarBeno!!!

Sounds like a good game thread comment to me.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping to make it there towards the end

If I do, I’ll try to have that one in my pocket (and to remember the HT to bte). We just have to hope that Beno gives me a reason to use it.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 20, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WarBeno! Huh! What is he good for!?!

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 1:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Rush Hour 4 ?

Jackie Chan, Chris Tucker and WarBeno Udrih as the Villian?

by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Beno a transformer?

Does he turn into a tank or something? Cuz that would be…. AWESOME!

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 1:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't you been watching the games?

Beno has been transforming into a basketball player on a regular basis for a while now.

by hozr on Nov 20, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

my eyes don't see the same things your do

He is defending with effort – that is his improvement- not with expertise

by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and no English only seems like my second language

I don’t think I have a first language sometimes

by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

defense IS effort

He’s had a lot of hands in faces and he guarding the most difficult position in basketball (at the moment, PG) IMO.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like..

He only really plays D well if it is against someone he can’t leave. If he plays against someone that isn’t a grade A shooting threat he leaves them so open they can’t help but hit some shots.

by MustangMBS on Nov 20, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it

I’ve seen him giving a lot of effort, fighting through screens (other teams use them) and keeping hands in guys faces.
I guess he’s got a lot to still prove after last year. We are talking about our 2nd string guy here, a lot of teams would love to have someone at his talent level on thier 2nd string.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he can't help but fight when they turn on the "WAR BENO" button

I think our players just think that screens are for wusses. I think Tyreke said that in an interview, actually, but maybe not. He is so hard to understand.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Playing better

I will give you that he is being more focused and playing better a lot of the time… It is just that I, all too often, see him kind of drifting away from the guy he is covering.

He is right up on guys who are really good, but not the guys he can leave to double others on. That is when I have seen him get in trouble.

by MustangMBS on Nov 20, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We're playing a lot of zone

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well played, well played

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

War Beno

Is a little too Jim Rome for my tastes.

by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Nov 20, 2009 2:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

If Dallas starts the same 5

I see us going with:

  • Tyreke on Kidd.
  • Beno on Roddy.
  • Donte on Ross.
  • JT on Gooden.
  • Spencer on Dirk.

Yes, Spencer on Dirk isn’t a great fit, so do you put JT on him? Do you have Spencer cover Gooden instead? Do you have Spencer start on the bench? I don’t see Westphal doing that. It probably works OK to start, because Dirk usually tries to get his teammates involved early.

It doesn’t really matter much, because Barea and The Jet will play more than Ross and Roddy. So they have a lot of guards and no small forwards, which probably means Udoka gets a lot of PT and covers Kidd, while Tyreke shifts over and covers Terry and Beno covers Barea.

I really don’t see Sergio playing much. Ditto with Spencer. I agree that Donte and Omri will get to cover Dirk a lot. Spencer will more or less back up JT on Gooden.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 20, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can Sean May make a comeback?

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Nov 20, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He might be a good matchup for Gooden

With Marion, Dampier, and Howard out, he could get some good minutes at PF. Especially, if JT or Spencer start to get into foul trouble. But, we need to put out a front court lineup that can all switch onto Dirk, and that doesn’t look like a good fit for May.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 20, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gooden is energetic, but it takes a lot of energy to move around May when he boxes out

its like running laps

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brockman > May

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 20, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer has good enough footwork to defend Dirk

but, unless Dirk is going to have a bad shooting night Dirks still going to score buckets of buckets.

I hope your wrong about Sergio, because I think he can matchup with Dallas’ speedy guards. The Udoka & Tyreke vs Terry & Kidd should work in our favor. And, I like the JT, Spencer & Donte rotation on Gooden & Dirk. I think Donte needs to play more at the PF as our 3rd big. That allows Omri to get more PT at SF. That way we have 4 guys who can switch on Dirk, and let Gibson try and beat us.

How do we play Omri? We need his shooting with Noc out. I know he’s going to pester PW to let him defend Dirk, but maybe we need to play him at SF and make the Mav’s change their rotation to try and defend him. Instead, of always changing our rotation to match up with the opponents.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 20, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you have to beat the Mavs, you can't expect that they have to beat the Kings
Instead, of always changing our rotation to match up with the opponents.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 20, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My point is that we don't have enough good shooters right now,

to allow Dallas to dictate who we put on the floor. Sometimes you just have to put your best 5 on the floor and don’t worry about matchups. At least not until the mismatches start to kill your A$$.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 20, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I say play Omri at guard

Throw him out there with Evans, Udoka, Greene and Thompson. 2 shooters with Udoka and Casspi. You can have all 5 try to guard Dirk and see what happens. Udoka and Tyreke are suck good rebounders, I’m not sure you have to have another big in there. And that lineup is energetic and tough. Which is what you need to stay in this game without Kevin.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 4:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Udoka and Tyreke are such* good rebounders

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 4:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm on the road against a top 5 team in the NBA . . .

I’ve got a feeling, that tonight’s gunna be a good night. The Mavs have chalked this up for a win and they’re already thinking about the midnight showings of new moon that they’ve “Fandango-ed” weeks ago . You know Dirk’s going to watch it. We have them right where we want them.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Nov 20, 2009 3:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

IF I were a gambling man...

Tonight’s line:
Mavericks by 10.5
Over/under 202.5

Call your shot!

Is my banana fluffy enough?

by 27freethrows on Nov 20, 2009 3:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

My bets

Mavs to win and cover
Under

Is my banana fluffy enough?

by 27freethrows on Nov 20, 2009 3:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

So that's how you made all your money?

You gamble? I’m disappointed.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If! If!

Off shore sports betting is not gambling

(give me a second to form an argument why it’s not gambling)

Is my banana fluffy enough?

by 27freethrows on Nov 20, 2009 4:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

because in other time zones, its more like predicting the future?

they dont have a word for gamble in some countries?

the dollar is so weak now, in some currencies its not worth saying you’ve bet anything?

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be a near miraculous win I think.

Hold it under 10 and we won the battle for this team.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

over, and Mavs by 6

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 4:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

What's the money line?

Kings to win straight up in a stunner and the over.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 20, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whats the news on Noce?

Playing?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No updates by Jason Jones on his twitter

I imagine w’ell know at tipoff.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

as far as what i heard on 1140 Noc on the Koz show he will be playing

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Nov 20, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hell yes! Dirk, meet Andres "Matt Foley" Nocioni

Where you go, he goes, where you sleep, he sleeps.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Nov 20, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jones just updated on twitter

Noc is playing, and will be the starter at SF

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 20, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

Thanks.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Evans vs ?

I think the key tonight is Tyreke Evans on both ends. I really think he should be guarding Jason Kidd and really challenging him. Get in his face and don’t let him survey the floor and easily run the offense. On offense Evans will have to take advantage of whoever guards him. If it’s Kidd on him, he should be able to take Kidd into the lane. I am sure they will be really playing off Tyreke though so he is really going to have to hit an outside shot or two tonight. If Terry stays on Evans, the Ty is going to have to post him up on the block. Rodrigue Beaubois can’t guard Evans and only plays about 17 minutes a game so I don’t see that matchup as being that paramount. Beno can guard him on defense and on offense I would be shocked if they put Rodrigue on Evans.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Nov 20, 2009 4:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Go Kings!!!!!

My hi def TV is 0-1 maybe it is a jinx please win tonight so I dont need to smash the curse out of it

by Beagle12 on Nov 20, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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