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Tyreke

needs to learn how to deal with the double-team and to use picks. It might help if the Kings set better picks.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 20, 2009 8:16 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with that

I also think JT & Spence need to play high low more often too.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I thouht Hawes did well when he had the chance

He’s really not getting a lot of touches. No wonder his O is off

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 20, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

That could be a big part of it actually

He had several shots that almost went down tonight. He’s not doing as terrible as some would have you believe.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Not at all

I see the positives he brings while also realizing he’s being bad on offense. But I don’t think he’s in the flow yet. I trust the coaching staff and what they do, Ijust wished they would go to him a bit more. Just make an effort to try and get him going

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 20, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Not claiming you were one of those people

Spencer has had his ups & downs.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't think you were saying I was

Just adding to your point

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I've been off lately (or a lot actually)

I do think they tried to get Spencer going early, and he just missed those layup’s and they lost confidence in him.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Really good game by the Kings

Like I mentioned in the second halfthread, coach Westphal was really proud of his guys and the way they played. He made some good points about insisting on running the callsplayed instead of taking what the defense gives them. Young team for sure

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 20, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

Oh well. Good loss tonight if that makes sense.

Back to back is bad for the Kings but good for me since I don’t have to wait too long to watch them play. Bring on the Rockets!

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 20, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

luckily the Rockets were on the road tonight as well

so at least they won’t be fresh either.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

OH, sorry

see you just posted this below.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

B2B's suck for everybody

Tomorrow is going to be tough.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

If we compete tomorrow like we did tonight

we’ll win.

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Nov 20, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Hope so.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 20, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

How about getting Wally World?

Szczerbiak is a FA right?

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Nov 20, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather develop talent

and wait for Frisco and Martin. Also, Wally recently had knee surgery – he’s not ready to play now.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Nov 20, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Rather play Donte & Omri than Wally anyway

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

He had his day in the sun...but I haven't liked his game in years.

The only thing I dig about Wally is his wife.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 20, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't know about that

But I hope the Kings do well.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I wished Donte would've gotten some more minutes

He was doing a good job at doing the little things. Had one forced shot but that was it.

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 20, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

Me too

I’m curious to hear why PW thought he shouldn’t play Donte more. I’m real curious to hear that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he used Donte early to cover Tim Thomas

and he did a great job at cooling him a bit. TT had a couple buckets early before Donte came in. Maybe with Noc covering Dirk so well, PW thought Donte wsn’t needed on D.

But wht about on offense? I would like to know why he wasn’t used too

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 20, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll hear his response in awhile.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone else excited for the next Kings vs. Bucks game?

Might be the first time those words have ever been put together.

by sdfd on Nov 20, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions  

What's so exciting about Milwaukee?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh you know

That Boggins dude

What's the past tense for "scam?" Is it "scrumped?"

by swoosh91 on Nov 20, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought he played for Milwokee

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

hah. . .least u didnt call him

‘Bogan’ ;)

On a sidenote, last week I teased Jennings about inadvertently calling Bogut by the name ‘Bogan’. This elicited 100s of emails explaining that, ironically, Bogan is a slang term in Australia for what we in American might call a “hick”. When I asked Bogut about it, he says there’s no correlation. “Brandon’s probably never even heard that word in his life.”

by Spoz of Oz on Nov 20, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I never joke about Milwaukee JET

I’m completely serious about Milwaukee 111.7% of the time.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I am.

Bucks play some serious D so it would be nice to see how the Kings adjust and overcome a team as scrappy as they are.

Seeing Bogut go up against our bigs. We should win the rebounding battle.

The two top ROY candidates going head to head – even though I see Jennings guarding Beno a lot more than ’Reke. I wanna see ’Reke post up Jennings if he does get guarded by him.

I always look out for Bruin alumni so it’ll be nice to see Mbah a Moute try to smother ‘Reke or Noc throughout the game. Operative word is ’try’. He did okay against Dirk except for the game winning shot.

I’m excited for that game…to bad it’s far off in December.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 20, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just hoping

Tomorrow night isn’t on the wrong channel like tonight..Damn you League Pass Broadband! Sounds like it was a hell of a game and that the boys played hard and well.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Nov 20, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions  

It was because they showed the game on NBATV lodi

That’s why.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh ok

I guess that makes sense. NBA TV sucks!

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Nov 20, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It was stupid lodi

I agree with that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

tyreke evans will be a freaking star

one thing i think would really bring his game to the next level besides getting respect for his shooting .. which i think he is slowly starting to get.. is a running floater because when the rim is defended he gets in trouble

by 31_FLAVAS on Nov 20, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions  

Tyreke is now shooting 43.6% from the field (up from 41% in the previous game)

and JT is shooting 47.8% from the field (up from the previous 45.1%). There is something positive.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

Yay!

I can watch Kings games again. Also, just looking at the box score: fuck yes. This is almost everything I want to see, though I honestly was hoping Donté can grow to take over Kenny’s minutes. Based solely on a box score, having someone in their big enough and determined enough to provide the rebounding support Kenny gave while simultaneously giving the Kings more offensive weapons will only be a good thing. Not complaining about tonights substitutions, just saying this is something I’m hoping the Greene kid can grow into.
Also, Tyreke for ROY is certainly getting interesting. Blake is going to have alot to do to take over the Jennings/Reke combination.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Nov 20, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed to a point.

I hear what you’re saying but Donte still makes way more mistakes than Kenny as of right now. I’d rather have an experienced hand in Kenny to give us turnover-free quality minutes.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 20, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Jennings should not have #1 rank this week.

Rekeazoid has had more consistency….Jennings had 1 good game.

But yeah too bad we went down by 2, but looking at the circumstances, Im liking what I am seeing!!!

by Slikk_J on Nov 20, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions  

Jennings has had a lot more than 1 good game

That said, I think they’re about equal.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Nov 20, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Bucks winning makes Jennings look really good too.

Reke has to sustain this level of performance for several weeks, sneak a few wins just to get to the crazy hypelove Jennings is getting. That being said, maybe all Reke has to do is explode for 55 on Jennings’ ass and the ROY chase is over.

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Nov 20, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

+100.

If the Bucks have a better record than the Kings – Jennings probably gets the nod for Rookie of the Year. They look like a 6th or 7th seed right now. If they’re a lock for the playoffs – Jennings will certainly get the award.

‘Reke needs to get some good numbers (double or triple doubles) against some great teams for him to get the exposure that Jennings has been getting. ’Reke and the Kings are constantly slept on due to their performance last year. Unfortunately, I don’t think most folks know that, night in and night out, teams are in a dogfight when the play the Kings.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 20, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Without Bogut for a month? Doubtful

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Jenning has had one out of this world game

And about 3 great games so far. It’s easy to judge him for scoring, but scoring at a high rate the way Jennings can really help a team when he’s doing it without taking away from whatever else the team needs.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Jennings had 29 points 7 assists & 4 boards tonight (2 TO's and shot 50% from the field)

Granted this came against the Bobcats, but you can only play the teams you can play. Jennings is a rookie 10 games in, and Evans is a rookie 11 games in.

Plenty of time for both to prove how good they are.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

from the ap story:

“That was a scrappy team,” Terry said. “They didn’t let us put them away like we wanted to, but we’ll take the win.”

by VirginiaBlue on Nov 20, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions  

Having to play hard just to beat our lowly Baby Royals is a nice compliment

Thanks Jet.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we ran out of depth

I don’t think that Donte, Sergio and Casspi will give us as much on the road as they do at home. It’s the nature of a young team. Our starters played well, we just don’t have the depth to hang with these guys.

by Scirocco on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions  

???

We lost by 2 points and were right there with them most of the game. I call that hanging with them.

by MustangMBS on Nov 20, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The 2 points is illusory

It wasn’t that close by the last 2 minutes. It’s just that the Kings hit a couple of shots in the last 20 secs to get it that close.

It was a pretty close game, but the margin of loss was probably 6 maybe 8 points. No biggie really, but that’s the reality.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatever

They didn’t get blown out. They stayed within range and could have won it. In my book, which is my own and different from your own, this game is going down as the Kings hung with them.

Sure they lost, but if they had just a few less turnovers and just a few more rebounds they could have easily won this one.

by MustangMBS on Nov 20, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

I don’t know about how easily they would have won the game. I have no way of knowing that. To me it’s all hindsight, and it’s very easy to say that the Kings win if they cut down their turnover’s. Who knows what happens in that scenario? I don’t. I know the Kings lost and by a small margin, and they played hard all game.

I agree that the Kings hung around all game despite the mistakes that were made. I like that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Your banana isn't fluffy enough

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 20, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as we scrap and give ourselves a chance to win

I don’t think anybody here is gonna be disappointed with this year’s squad.

(Check the boxes tomorrow after VCU – Oklahoma for Larry “The Landlord” Sanders’ stats.)

by VirginiaBlue on Nov 20, 2009 11:09 PM PST reply actions  

yep.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 20, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

How can Kidd shot 5 for 9 from 3 pt and get 11 assists.

Haven’t the Kings staff ever heard of Kidd? Who was out there that we needed to double off of Kidd? Omri makes one stupid foul, and PW pulls him and gives him a lesson in front of everyone. But, he forgets to tell, his players not to leave Kidd.

I liked the game, and thought we played well. But, we really needed a PG to handle the ball in the 2nd quarter. Half of all our turnovers came in that quarter. And, Beno & Tyreke had 3 of them. Other than that Beno played well for an OG.

Another game and one more pick & roll with Tyreke feeding Hawes below the FT line for a hoop. That’s 2 for the season. Beno had opportunities, but refused to make the pass. Maybe he was right not trying, or maybe he just can’t. And, K9 needs to find one shot he can make. Zero points in the last 33minutes, is too high a price to pay for his rebounding and defense.

Great effort by Noc on Dirk. I still don’t understand how Donte can go from player of the game and then get only 11 minutes the following game.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 21, 2009 12:31 AM PST reply actions  

I don't really disagree with what you say

but you seem to have a very negative attitude towards our coaching staff. Not just in this post but, it’s something I’ve noticed over the course of the season. Why is that?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 21, 2009 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Your right,I'm not particularly happy

First off, I don’t believe most of the team has a handle on team defense. In the Chicago game, Salmons came down the baseline off a pick & roll. Tyreke got lost by the pick and Donte didn’t step out to stop Salmons. JT was on the blocks weak side, and instead of giving help defense and moving over to block Salmon, he moved out to the FT line to double Noah. And, Salmons got an easy dunk. In other games we’ve had other example of player messing up. In the Houston game we had 2 players go to double the same player making it a triple, while leaving one of their men open for a 3 at the top of the circle.

Now, being young and inexperienced, I expect mistakes like these. But, they’re being made by every player, and PW isn’t reacting the same. Omri makes a bad cross court pass when he gets trapped along the baseline, and he gets yanked. Tyreke & Beno make stupid entry passes, and nothing happens.

I also, don’t like the defensive substitutions. Thomas scores zero points, but he plays the entire 4th of the Chicago game and Spencer sits. When Mason was here he got major minutes, in crunch time. It seems that PW is trying to be some kind of Defensive Guru, when the major problem isn’t individual defense but TEAM defense. And, everytime he puts one of these defensive specialist he takes away from our offense.

On offense, I think we’re perdictable. Martin, Tyreke, & Beno drive into the paint (shot, pass, or turnover the ball). No motion. Everyone else simply moves out to the 3pt line and stands around waiting for the pass & to open the lane, which in the Chicao game didn’t happen. I also don’t like the fact that PW seems to have decided that its better to feed JT in the post then to use Spencer.

In general, I hate his go with the gut substitution pattern. He’s too quick to yank people. Donte has his career day, and the next game he gets limited minutes. Spencer starts, then sees no time in the 2nd quarter. He starts the 3rd and sits the 4th. Some players need consistant minutes to get into their rhythm. Shooters like BJax can be used like that, but not most.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 21, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

So how do you account for the improvement in the team this year?

PW gets no credit? We’re 10th in offensive rating so far this year. That’s a huge improvement over last season’s 25th. And while being 24th on defense is not good, it is better than last season’s 30th.

To me there have been improvements and there are still things that need to get better. Reading your posts, I would guess our record to be on par with the Wolves or the Nets.

I see improvement, but a work in progress.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 21, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Improvement for sure

But, is JT improved because of PW system, or because JT worked all summer to get better. Are we better at PG because the coaching staff has worked hard at improving the players we had, or because GP drafted Tyreke.

Has PW influenced the young guys, of course. Do I think he has made a positive change in the team mentality, Yes I do. But, I don’t attribute the improved offense strickly on coaching. Martin was healthy to start the season, Beno is back to the performance he put up 2 years ago, Tyreke does what he do, and none of that is attributable to coaching.

PW was brought in to improve rebounding and defense. A+ on the rebounding. But, we’re still bad defensively, 5th worst is opponent shooting percentage. But, again I’m not blaming PW for the bad defense. It will be some time before the young guys learn team defense and help defense.

I only want PW to play the talented youth (Omri, Donte, & Spencer) rather then bring in defensive stoppers (Mason, Thomas, & Udoka), when the problem isn’t individual defense but TEAM defense.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 21, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

PW has provided more good than bad imo

I can accept some K9/Ime if it means continued improvement over the course of the season.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 21, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I think your rants the last week or two have been ridiculous

I still don’t understand how people think coaches are trying to hold back the young guys and not give them time. The coaches, especially an experienced guy like Westphal wants the young guys to get better as much as anyone else.

With regard to Westphal’s rotations, he has very little to work with, we have:

a budding star not old enough to drink playing his 12th game (Evans)
a shooting point guard that’s at best the 3rd guard on a good team (Beno)
a below average, but competant small forward (Nocioni)
an emerging NBA starting power forward in his 2nd year (JT)
a 21 year old center that is learning but is a backup on a decent team right now (Hawes)

bench

a rookie 2nd round pick big guy that probably will be lucky to be the 9th man on a decent team someday (Brockman)
a late first round pick rookie that has shown some promise but is a rookie (Casspi)
another late first round pick that obviously is still learning his place in the NBA game (Greene)
A defenseless, horrible shooting PG that is the best passer on the team and is an end of the bench guy right now (Sergio)
And the rest of the team is straight off the scrap heap: (K9, Udoka, May)

You always say, play your best 5 guys at the end of games, my question is? Who is that? You have no idea who the best guys are because the ones with legit NBA track records you know are below average! Everyone else either you have every reason to believe is bad, or is so young, you have no idea what you are going to get at the end of games.

Westphal will play the young guys as much as he can as long as he feels like he’s helping them and the team. Honestly, he has no choice, take the young guys out of the list above and you are left with a historically bad NBA team. At the same time, he has to watch out for them too, and help them grow into their potential.

I just think your expectations are way out of line. We’re so lucky to be as well off as we have been so far this year. Westphal has done a great job with all of the young guys on the team except maybe Spencer, and I’m not ready to indict Westphal for that yet. Let’s see some more games before we jump to conclusions. I agree I’d like to see the team involve Spencer more in the offense, but maybe his confidence isn’t ready for that yet.

One way or another, I trust that PW knows a hell of a lot more about basketball and the people involved than I do, and since I don’t have any reason to doubt his professionalism at this point, I’m ok with observing and not being too hard on him.

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by ForThree on Nov 21, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

4-3

I thought they did try to get Spencer off early. He just missed those shots early on, and that went that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems to me you're just bitching to bitch HT

Rome wasn’t built in a day. And, like you, I wasn’t exactly happy about some of the substitutions last night either.

But, in the grand scheme of things nothing is 100% perfect the way I perceive it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Dirk? Jason Terry?
Who was out there that we needed to double off of Kidd?

Kidd was averaging six points going into the game. They were a little slow to rotate to him, though.

Kings need to double the ball more on the high pick and roll like they did late and like Dallas did all game to them.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 21, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Well Dirk got his 20, Terry got his 20 & Kidd got 15, anyways

But, Kidd got 11 assists. Take away some of Kidd’s pts and assists, and make the rest of the team beat you. That’s my point, Dallas is a better team with Kidd handing out easy baskets. The double didn’t always have to come off of Kidd.

It was one of my points in the pregame discussion

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by HighTops on Nov 21, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I never thought i'd be so happy after a loss, but...

I am. I love this team. They are really something to get exited about. They may not make the playoffs but these guys are tough and the upside is huge. They’re not gonna be embarrassed, they’re not gonna give up, they are gonna demand their respect. Westphal is everything we’ve wanted him to be so far. We are witnessing the fruits of this rebuilding period beginning to form… Wait till they get ripe. I’m a happy Kings fan and that’s my 2 cents.

by Ichiban on Nov 21, 2009 12:45 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed. It's funny how the word "playoffs" had a 0 percent chance of even being mentioned last year.

Every game the two main things I see from this squad are progress and purpose.

Go Kings!

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 21, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Good game

a few less turnovers . . .I proud of them

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2009 1:52 AM PST reply actions  

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