The League is Catching Up to Jason Thompson
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 22, 2009 9:35 AM PST
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After showing us a glimpse of the player he can become with five double-doubles and playing a key role in our four-game winning streak, it looks like the league is finally catching up to Jason Thompson.
He has regressed into some of last year's tendencies, of whining and moaning with each call and break that goes against him, and he seems to have lost some of the composure he displayed earlier in the year. Joakim Noah and Drew Gooden schooled him and outboarded him, and whoever he covered last night seemed to have no trouble getting to the rim or grabbing rebounds. The Rockets scored at will in the paint for the most part.
Meanwhile, JT had five rebounds last night, and the Kings third-quarter rally came with him riding pine and the Kings resuming their rebounding and defensive ways of their recent best play.
On Twitter the other day, JT said he was hoping to return to Dallas for All-Star weekend. Maybe it's time to shut down the All-Star talk, even for the sophomore game, stop reading the press clippings and this site, play your best, get back to being a double-double machine, help the Kings win and let the chips fall where they may.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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You’re better than this. Can’t you wait three games before saying JT has regressed?
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by Aykis16 on Nov 22, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's not better than this.
This is CC in a nutshell.
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by jjham15 on Nov 22, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't really matter who I'm better than
because in recent games JT hasn’t been better than Joakim Noah, Drew Gooden, Carl Landry and Luis Scola — none of whom is headed to an All-Star Game — and it’s part of the reason we’ve lost those games.
But it’s not like JT has caught some incurable disease. As some of the posters below have pointed out, it’s all part of the growth process.
I think you’re making a bit much of the word “regressed.” Whatever the word, his play in those games has been less than stellar.
The Kings are 4-1 this year when JT gets a double double and 1-6 when he doesn’t. He’s a big part of this team, and we need him to continue his improvement to reach our potential as a team.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 22, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Along with Jt most of the Kings are going to improve as the season goes on
When this season is over we are probably going to forget about this thread, because Jt has improved in passing out of double teams and etc…
by AkaP on Nov 22, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The one game where JT didn't get a double double was against Memphis
I’m on record as saying I agree with CC on this particular point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thompson has had a few less than stellar games in a row but...
8 pts. 9 rbs.- Bulls
18 pts. 9 rbs.- Dallas
15 pts. 5 rbs.- Rockets
I’m confused here. These aren’t bad games by almost any standards let alone a second year power forward. There is something that all of these teams have in common- hustle player big men that do the same type things that Thompson does. You can also look at two of these game as abnormal games because Nocioni missed the Bulls game and Evans missed the Houston game and this isn’t exactly a team 12 deep in NBA contributor talent.
During this supposed regression period, Thompson has had to play extra minutes with both Donté Greene and Sergio Rodriguez. Rodriguez is an atrociousness defender which has forced Thompson, Hawes and Thomas to rotate to stop penetration, giving up both defensive and rebounding position. Donté has played admirably but still gambles and makes mistakes in instances where Nocioni, again forcing the bigs to over play and lose position.
My point is that statistical analysis of small sample sizes like three games can often be explained away by variables. Post like this drive me nuts. The Kings are a young team and we are going to see all kinds of highs and lows from every one of these players. If you honestly believe that Thompson won’t make the Rookie/Sophomore game because he has only averaged 14 and 8 over the last three games, you are totally mistaken. You better get your “Tyreke Evans is Soft/Injury Prone” post written and saved just in case he needs to miss another game or two with his finger sprain.
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by jjham15 on Nov 22, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
If you want to make excuses for his poor recent play, that’s certainly your perogative. But the Kings are generally an injury-prone team that often is missing a few players from a full deck, so I guess that’s one you will be able to rely on consistently.
There is something that all of these teams have in common — hustle player big men that do the same type things that Thompson does.
Just about every team has one of these guys. Are they all going to have big games against JT?
JT followed up 27-11 against Houston with 15-5 in the rematch. He played well against the likes of Boozer and Josh Smith, but he can’t handle “energy” guys?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Its that as our only inside threat, though we have been playing pretty well from the outside – there’s no one right now who opponents think can win the game from there.
That leaves a lot of focus on JT.
Hell, we don’t even have a real shooting guard right now! Its a flaw in the roster – not in JT.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Nov 23, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is 15-5 really that bad?
This is why I hate getting in discussions with you. You overblow small things and refuse to consider well reasoned counter arguments. Are these excuses I’m bringing to the discussion or are they explanations to why a certain outcome that you have deemed regression might actually be something else.
The team dynamic is changing every game and some games Thompson is going to have big numbers and some nights he won’t. Houston also has played extremely well this season because they are well coached. In the first game the Kings snuck up and punched them in the face- the second game, adjustments were made to slow Thompson’s movement in the paint and Houston won.
Is Thompson a 20-10 guy today? No, but he is probably going to end up a 16.5-18 and 10+ guy this season which is a huge leap for a second year player. Is he going to be a participant in All-Star weekend? Yes.
JT followed up 27-11 against Houston with 15-5 in the rematch. He played well against the likes of Boozer and Josh Smith, but he can’t handle "energy" guys?
Boozer had 16 points and 17 rebounds against the Kings. Smith went for 14-6. These aren’t exactly shut down night just like a 15-5 or 18-8 or even 8-9 aren’t either. Hustle guys take away your rebounds and force you into stupid fouls. Should Thompson dominate Luis Scola? I’m not sure, the guy is averaging 15-10 on the season. Gooden had 16 rebounds but shot 4-16 from the field against Thompson and co.
The Kings have lost three in a row. Thompson and the rest of the guys should be frustrated but they have been in two of these games going into the final minute. The Kings are probably going to lose a lot more this season than they are going to win and sure, sometimes Jason Thompson might be partially to blame for those loses but he is the present and future so micro managing his career game to game or even week to week is ridiculous. Relax CC. Enjoy the fact that the Kings have won 5 of 7 and have a legit shot to win 2 or 3 of the next 3.
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by jjham15 on Nov 23, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good points
There’s no doubt JT has the tools to be a big star in the league, and like any young player he’s going to go through his rough stretches. It’s a learning process with 82 tests a year to judge progress. Tonight is another opportunity, and I hope he does well.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4 in a row baby!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to call you on the Sergio defense
I rewatched the game and Lowery beat Sergio one time when Sergio tried to steal the inbound pass after a made basket. Sergio played 11minutes including 2 at the end of the game in garbage time. Lowery & Brooks got 16 pts and 12 assists total. And, the vast majority were against Beno.
Brooks killed us in the first quarter when the Rockets scored 30, against Beno. And, Brooks and Lowery both beat Beno in the last 8 minutes of the game. There is no way Beno’s defense was any better than Sergio’s. And, Sergio only played 3 minutes in the Dallas game.
The rest of your post I agree with.
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by HighTops on Nov 23, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this is fair to JT
I am not sure if you just don’t like JT or if you haven’t been paying attention. There is no mention of how JT is now getting doubled and sees few possessions where he has some daylight. That is what I would say is the League catching up with JT. They are now realizing just how good he is and doubling him much more.
JT has improved dramatically. He has developed to the point that he is starting and Spencer is not. He has new low post moves, fouls less or at least better, and is scoring and rebounding well… Not sure you have any leg to stand on here.
by MustangMBS on Nov 22, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
molehills and a magnifying glass
are a dangerous combination
by betweentheeyes on Nov 22, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I understand what your's saying but I don't think it;s true.
What I do agree with is that the team has to stop reading it’s collective press clippings (now there is an archaic term) and focus on winning each game, to play hard and continue to improve. Oh, I forgot, that’s what they did last night. Aykis is right, JT is drawing a lot more defensive attention than he was but he also hasn’t played quite as well the last 3 games. When he can consistently play at the level he did during the winning streak, no doubt he will again, then he will deserve a spot on the All – star roster.
I thought the team was complacent during the Chicago game and came out playing like they were entitled to a win. Their complacency was short lived as evidenced by the last two games. Your report of JT’s demise or regression are way premature.
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by Bluejohn on Nov 22, 2009 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The devil is in the details
The league has “caught up” to JT in as much as they are now double teaming him a lot when he gets the ball. Next on the menu for JT is to learn how to effectively pass out of the double team, or better yet make a decision before the double team develops.
As far as the moaning and whining, while I would like to see the entire league bark a little less, it should be noted that the Kings and the 76ers are the only two teams not to have a player technical foul so far this season.
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by section214 on Nov 22, 2009 10:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting
And I’m glad I know that now. Thanks 214.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Factor in something else here also Section...
During the first 5 games of the season, the offense ran through Thompson a lot and he responded with a 19-2 assist to turnover ratio. Over the next 4 games with the starting line-up of Udrih, Evans, Hawes and Noc, Thompson became more of a scoring option and less of a distributor to the effect of a 7-9 assist to turnover ration. Now, take out Noc and add Greene, take out Evans and add Greene and increase 4-13
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by jjham15 on Nov 22, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry- continuing thought....
Now, take out Noc and add Greene, take out Evans and add Greene and increase Rodriguez’s minutes to 20 and 11 in those contests and Thompson responds with a 4-9 assist to turnover ratio.
What does this mean to me? With Martin, Thompson became a viable high post distributor and played pretty mistake free in that role. As a primary scoring option, Thomson became a double double machine but more prone to mistakes as an isolation offensive player. Over the last three games (or at least the two with missing pieces) Thompson has become extremely hap hazard with the ball but again the team dynamic has changes. All of these are really small sample but we can infer that when Thompson’s role as a primary offensive weapon increases, so does his propensity to turn the ball over.
IMO, this cause and affect is probably do to Thompson trying to hard and placing too much of the team’s weight on his shoulders. Like we saw last year, as Thompson becomes more comfortable with his place on the team, he become more productive. I’m willing to wait out say two or three years before I get too overly concern with Thompson’s growth because I think I see his learning curve and I am ok with what the outcome will eventually be.
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by jjham15 on Nov 22, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not so concerned with his offense
But I think a little of the edge he was enjoying in energy level, rebounding and defense has slipped away a bit. Other teams have owned the paint in the last three games for the most part, and that wasn’t happening when we were playing better. Maybe it’s unfair to dump that on JT, and it’s certainly an area where the whole team has to step up.
Last season it was easy to push the Kings around as they were soft. Not so during their best stretchs of play this year, but they and JT are clearly going to have to recapture that element to get over the hump.
I also think teams are seeing that they can bother JT early and rattle him by being real physical with him. Let’s see how he responds.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 22, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I said it in the pre-game thread
without another interior threat the ‘Book’ on beating the Kings is going to be to limit JTs touches. It will work fairly often too when they can pull it off. Its not about JT, its about our lack of other interior scoring and rebounding threats.
He needs to find a way to get a few more D boards though. The league is all about adjusting.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 22, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Less dominant in rebounding
We were 41-41 against Chicago, 44-44 against Dallas, and 38-42 against Houston. And, the Houston game we lost Tyreke’s 5 rebounds. While during our winning streak we were outrebounding teams by 10+.
I think teams are adjusting to the Kings style of play altogether. With Martin out they’re focusing their attention on Tyreke & JT. JT will continue to be challenged by bigs that are big enough & quick enough to keep JT on the offensive glass. Because more than 50% of JT’s offense and 1/3 of his rebounds comes from his offensive glass work. He really benefits from playing opposite Spencer, so that teams can’t focus strickly on JT. That’s why we need another rebounding big with some offense. Thomas is an ok rebounder, but his offense doesn’t draw attention away from JT.
Offensively JT has shown dramatic improvement in his low post game. But, he’s not going to grown any taller or learn to leap any higher. With improved footwork (blocking out) and anticipation his rebounding could get better. But, without another rebounder to work with, he’s going to always find himself battling against 2 or more players (as in the Houston & Chicago games).
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by HighTops on Nov 23, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You lost me there
Thomas is an ok rebounder, but his offense doesn’t draw attention away from JT. … But, without another rebounder to work with, (JT)’s going to always find himself battling against 2 or more players (as in the Houston & Chicago games).
Thomas is averaging more than six rebounds a game in limited action the last five games. Add to that the decent rebounding of Hawes, Tyreke, Casspi, Udoka and sometimes Nocioni, and he’s not alone out there.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But
If you’re going to focus on keeping one guy on our team off the glass, it’s JT who’s going to be your “point of emphasis”. Those other guys aren’t going to kill you on the boards.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 23, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jt is an average defensive rebounder
And one of the 3 or 4 best offensive rebounders in the NBA. This really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you basing that on
(JT is) one of the 3 or 4 best offensive rebounders in the NBA.
the 12 games we’ve played this year?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was tied for 8th in the league last season
And he seems to have improved this season. I don’t know that it would be a stretch to put him in the top 5
by otis29 on Nov 23, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Who were the seven ahead of him last year?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
Seriously. You want that answer figure it out yourself.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the answer to the other question?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So far this season that is correct
But it’s a small sample size. I’ll bet it ends up that way though. JT gets a lot o boards. He’s just good at that. He’s always been good at it.
Have fun with that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of figured that
10th last season in 82 games, 3rd this season in 12 games = one of the 3 or 4 best offensive rebounders in the NBA. Sounds reasonable to me.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And arguing sample size
When the original post point was based off a somewhat small sample size makes your argument seem pointless.
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
that makes about 95% of the StR posts pointless then.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here you go
JT’s offensive rebounding average this season would have tied him for the #1 spot last season.
Facts aside, I think you’re point was to give pookey the needle about “small sample size” – JT’s body of work last year does indicate that he’s skilled in this area, and the argument could easily be made that he’s now in the top 3 or 4 offensive rebounders in the league.
by otis29 on Nov 23, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
And I have no problem saying I think JT is one of the 5 best o boardmen in the L at the moment. Even if it’s on a sample sized based off 93 games in a career.
How prepared were people to say that Chris Paul couldn’t pass the ball after 93 games?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me rephrase
Kenny Thomas is playing 14 mpg at center. But, he never scores. So, when JT is playing along side Thomas, the defense can ignore Thomas and double JT. So, we need another rebounder who is also a scoring threat.
What I meant to say, was “another rebounder who is a scoring threat to work with JT”. Spencer partially fills that role, but May & Brockman are only slightly better than Thomas..
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by HighTops on Nov 24, 2009 1:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually agree with this CC
And I’ve wondered the same thing myself. If JT thinks he’s an All-Star, he’s got another thing coming.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There's really no evidence of that
Is there any evidence of JT not working hard or reading his own press clippings other than a message on Twitter expressing a personal goal?
Pookey, you normally rail on small sample sizers around here, so this is a bit surprising. From what I’ve been seeing JT’s still playing hard, but he’s not getting the results he did earlier. And if anyone thinks it’s coincidental that JT was bottled up last night without Tyreke, they should think again.
No Martin, no Garcia, no Tyreke Evans – who do you think is going to get the attention from the team’s defense?
I agree with Section – this is another step in JT’s development. He needs to improve his passing game, especially out of the double team. I think it’s unfair to ascribe anything more nefarious here.
by otis29 on Nov 22, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet
Hence why i said I wondered that. And, I agree with 214 too. He’s having a learning curve that comes with teams adjusting to how he’s playing.
On the other hand, I don’t think he has played the same way this week the way he did the previous week. There is some frustration, and perhaps expecting too much too soon, on JT’s part that hurts him from time to time.
I actually agree with CC & 214 (and you as well Otis) about this particular point. I just think that it’s 3 different people with 3 different POV"s who’ve tossed this point up & around a bit and seen what’s there.
So with that, I go back to writing my own piece.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Thompson was talking about the All-Star game itself Pook.
Thompson is primed to make the Rookie Sophomore game and I’m pretty sure that’s what he was talking about. If he continues at the reduced clip that he has shown over the last three games (14 and 8) he will still be on the Sophomore squad, his numbers are just too good in comparison to the other players from his class.
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by jjham15 on Nov 22, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We can agree to disagree
Just shutup about the AS game and play. I’m sure he was asked a question about it by reporters, but when you talk about it on twitter it’s on your mind. JT will get there by putting up impressive numbers; not by talking about it on twitter.
I don’t mind if people are bothered by CC’s point. That’s their right, as it is mine to agree with CC’s point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with your point about twitter (we talkin' bout twitter??!!)
I don’t think we can realistically expect a 23 year old, second year player to not be excited about possibly making All Star weekend. Whether we like or not, being part of it is important to players, especially you up-and-comers. To me (and I’m sure to you too) is not that great of a deal, but I can understand why it is to these players.
I do agree that I’d be nice if he would just play and let his game speak for itself. but there wouldn;t even be an argument is these new internet/media channels didn’t exist.
At the same time, the first time I remember even hearing about JT participating in All Star weekend was here, and that probably started long time ago. If it’s not appropriate for JT to talk about, maybe we should shut up about it too (I’m guessing you’ll agree with that too).
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by edm7 on Nov 22, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah talking about All-Stardom is pretty pointless in my POV
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're always welcome to your point....
This whole generation of Twiiter and Youstream and such kind of gives us fans a feel for the players real personalities. I like his fun loving, loose personality and I’m happy he has goals to be an all-star caliber player. It’s funny, you are alright with Jennings and he let some really ugly video conversation stuff get out there via the web but you’re not cool with Thompson’s approach. Very interesting Pookey.
No law when it comes to me.
I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
I am not kissing no ones ass because I'm in LA. Suck a cock.
-Ron Artest (e-mail exchange with Kyle Slavin)
by jjham15 on Nov 22, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt exactly think that was wise on Jennings part
But there was more to that story than you let on too. I personally think it’s great that JT has goals and what not, but Donte was even quoted as wanting to make the All-Star team someday.
I’m like geesh, that’s wayyyyyy too early Donte. JT can talk about it, but talk about it in February when it’s clearly more important. Now? Not so much.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goals?
How dare he! Why would a 23 year old have any personal goals?
Sorry for the sarcasm, I just think CCR and Pookey have added two and two together and have somehow gotten “pudding” as an answer.
by otis29 on Nov 23, 2009 5:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all pretty simple
- Play better.
- Stop bitching and moaning after every call.
- Stop making decent players look like All Stars.
- Kings win.
- Make All-Star team.
I don’t mind JT being on Twitter, although the losing streak did coincide with the rebirth of The Donte Greene Show co-starring JT. And goals are great, although I’d prefer a focus on team goals. But if you want to be an All-Star, you have to back it up with All-Star play, and I don’t think JT has done that the past three games.
Small sample size? Maybe. I just don’t want it to turn into a larger sample size.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're still making a leap
I don’t necessarily disagree with your five bullet points, but my problem is with the inference that JT has put the cart before the horse, based on a Twitter post. In my mind, that implies that JT is dogging it instead of working hard.
And on that, you really have no proof. JT is still giving maximum effort, but the simpler answer is he’s become the focus of the defense – either due to the injuries to Kevin and Tyreke or the fact that he’s improved his game and the opposition now needs to account for him.
But the simpler answer wouldn’t give you a chance to denigrate a Kings player, which as we all know is really your specialty (outside of one former King/current Laker of course).
by otis29 on Nov 23, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The typical Otis go-to
If you don’t agree with the comment, bash the poster. That’s fine. I’m used to that from you, because it’s all you’ve got.
Meanwhile, I didn’t say JT was dogging it. Those are your words, not mine.
Stick to what I said instead:
But I think a little of the edge he was enjoying in energy level, rebounding and defense has slipped away a bit. Other teams have owned the paint in the last three games for the most part, and that wasn’t happening when we were playing better. Maybe it’s unfair to dump that on JT, and it’s certainly an area where the whole team has to step up.
Last season it was easy to push the Kings around as they were soft. Not so during their best stretchs of play this year, but they and JT are clearly going to have to recapture that element to get over the hump.
I also think teams are seeing that they can bother JT early and rattle him by being real physical with him. Let’s see how he responds.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ignoring your own words?
On Twitter the other day, JT said he was hoping to return to Dallas for All-Star weekend. Maybe it’s time to shut down the All-Star talk, even for the sophomore game, stop reading the press clippings and this site,
So if you don’t think that JT is resting on his laurels, why add this little tidbit?
If you don’t agree with the comment, bash the poster.It’s not my fault your posts are generally a clusterfuck of inanity. Just calling ’em as I see ’em.
by otis29 on Nov 23, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a stretch
Effort and performance aren’t the same thing. I mentioned a slight slipping in his energy level, and you turn that into “dogging it.” Talk about inane.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are issues with what you say..
So let’s look at your own words.
You said it yourself. You are being unfair to JT so knock it off.
Maybe it’s unfair to dump that on JT, and it’s certainly an area where the whole team has to step up.
The whole team needs to step up as well as the coaches. JT is the focus of the other team’s defense down low. He is the ONLY focus and is getting double teamed.
WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THAT FACT?
by MustangMBS on Nov 23, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As you pointed out
I’m not ignoring the fact that the entire team needs to step up. I can’t really see where I am being “unfair” to JT.
JT is the focus of the other team’s defense down low. He is the ONLY focus and is getting double teamed.
That’s typically what happens to low post players. Our other players are also being doubled when they get the ball. That means someone is open.
Our defense is also effective when we double, but we’ve only done it in select streches in the last few games.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now this
goals are great, although I’d prefer a focus on team goals
I couldn’t agree with more. If the team is better the individual accolades will automatically come to individuals. Every year we see guys make it (see Mo Williams) who are there because the team is good.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 23, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JT will be fine
with Spencer not playing well our main threats were JT & Tyreke. So teams were able to double JT & Reke all day. Spence played well against the rockets but no Tyreke. I dont think JT will ever be an unstoppable force but a player who plays really well when he has other offensive threats around him. If this team can stay afloat in the west until Kevin & Cisco come back I think then you will see everyones game come alot easier.
by allbenji's on Nov 22, 2009 12:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I agree coolcat.
He’s been slow to react to the immediate double teams that opponents have thrown his way. Hopefully, he’ll be able to adjust and add to his game to stay effective.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 22, 2009 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Up and downs go with young guys
I agree with coolcat’s post; JT has been much less effective the last few games. I can’t say its surprising though, he was playing at a borderline All-Star lever for a week or so. Teams are adjusting, as section said, JT needs to grow more now.
The plus side is, his early Asst/TO ratio indicates he can grow into being a good passer, and he has always seemed willing, so there’s reason for hope.
Part of having a team full of young players as far as I’m concerned, nothing to see here, move along. :)
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by ForThree on Nov 22, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
After two good games
are we going to get a fanpost about how much progress he’s made, how great he’s doing and to keep it up because he should be an All-Star?
by Kevin Conroy on Nov 22, 2009 8:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
JT remains a work in progress
I’m not that down on him, but I wasn’t ready to call him an All-Star even when, after a few games, the numbers suggested he could do so.
If he’s putting up All Star numbers in January, this is a conversation I want to have. In November? Forget it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade him to an east coast team
I would get more sleep :-)
by Beagle12 on Nov 23, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You mean you're a Kings fan because of JT?????
No way!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ironic thought
I’m getting lectured on “small sample sizes,” but our infatuation with JT is based largely on the tremendous progress he has shown overall in 12 games this year. So how many games have to be played to constitute a sufficient sample size upon which to make judgments?
Last season, Spencer and JT had very similar stats. One averaged 28 minutes, 11.1 points and 7.4 rebounds. The other averaged 29 minutes, 11.4 points and 7.1 rebounds. Now, based on 12 games, one is getting thrown under the bus while the other is “the future.” Interesting.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How is that "ironic"?
Is that Alanis Morissette “ironic”? Maybe lttg needs to weigh in on this.
Personally, I think the difference between the two has a lot to do with work ethic – JT seems to display more than Spencer IMO. However, I wouldn’t want to throw either “under the bus” at this point. Spencer doesn’t seem to be responding as well to the new coaching staff, but that doesn’t mean his talents have disappeared.
by otis29 on Nov 23, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to plug my site
But I suggest you read my theory on why Spencer is struggling.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Link to it
and maybe I will.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It qualifies as Irony
just not very poetic
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 23, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Add to that
That Spencer and JT are tied in defensive rebounds this season despite almost six minutes per game less for Spencer. And you’d have to expect JT to get more offensive boards since he’s down in the low post and Spencer plays more up top. Blocks and steals are almost identical, Spencer shoots a better percentage at the line (although JT is much improved this year) and they are within about 4% of each other in FG% (and both below 50%).
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spencer scores at a higher rate in close, and JT is also better in close
Spencer’s eFG% is .559 inside and JT’s is .596 according to 82games.com
Which is why I question, the Kings not going inside more often. Especially late in games to stay close. Our jumpshooting isn’t nearly that good.
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by HighTops on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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