Post-Game Thread: Kings at Grizzlies
by Ziller on Nov 23, 2009 7:45 PM PST
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FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1ST1 1 1 1 1 1 1 FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I still blame Ziller for the Kings play tonight.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The lack of a game thread at the start of the game really threw the Kings off.
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Nov 23, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just goes to show you
This team needs to play well every night to be competitive. And it needs every starter to play well for them to win.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Nov 23, 2009 7:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And they need to not have so many turnovers.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you insinuating the Kings are not a playoff team?
Shocking.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying we were a bad team
was bad when we were winning. Watch your mouth!
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
by edm7 on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will repeat what has been repeated .... and repeated..... and repeated....
compete even though you can’t contend
by betweentheeyes on Nov 23, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I will repeat my chant for the season one more time
I fucking love this team
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by edm7 on Nov 23, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that ever get painful?
You know, the ’fucking love" part?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight was tough
but the good nights feel good
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
by edm7 on Nov 23, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My eyes don't have that type of depth perception ed
Sorry.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is anybody else wondering what Paul Westphal said to Donte Greene after his 6th foul?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can I join you on the next Donte Green Show?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was doing a good job on D
He shot too many 3s though. He probably also wanted to save some fouls for later
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
by edm7 on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you remember how to get to Reno?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally unfair
Donté was good energy off the bench, and good defensively.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 24, 2009 7:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a joke.
I guess you didn’t get it.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got it
I just thought it was pretty mean.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 24, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You might need to lighten up
Because just about everything on this site could be twisted to be “mean” and “unfair.” Maybe you can go find some mean posts about Spencer to complain about.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’ll lighten up as soon as you stop taking cheap shots at people.
I don’t know why I bother talking to you.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 24, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Less than three weeks ago
At the beginning of November, before we played the Warriors, there was a chorus of people here saying the same thing. They couldn’t get Donte to Reno quick enough. Here’s what Ziller said as recently as Nov. 5 about the signing of Ime Udoka:
The best-case scenario with Udoka is that he replaces Mason as the starter at small forward, allowing Nocioni to get back to his mixed-results PF/SF bench role, pushing Casspi back in the rotation and guaranteeing Greene’s ticket to Reno.
Damn, that Ziller dude sure is mean.
That the situation has changed is either a big credit to Donte or a result of our infatuation with projecting long-term possibilities out of short-term results.
And it’s pretty obvious Westphal has no problem using small sample sizes to make decisions on playing time. For example, Udoka was a big cog in our four-game winning streak. After missing some shots in 2-3 games, he’s played two minutes in the last two games.
Donte’s inconsistency almost guarantees he could find himself back in the doghouse in no time. And that’s not being mean.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not much to talk about I'm sure
Hooorrriibble game by the team. Just couldn’t get anything going. Funny thing is we still had a bit of a chance at the end, cutting to 8 or 9 I believe with over 2 mins to go. It was bound to happen.
Yet again the kids play hard, it just wasn’t enough. Young teams will have many many games like these, I think we actually got spoiled that they haven’t one like this yet (or maybe one per Pookey).
I’ll be honest, I don’t mind this 0-3 roadtrip. It may keep these young guys hungry, I thought they got a bit (just a bit) too happy with that winnig streak. Looking forward to this next homestand.
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
by edm7 on Nov 23, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think they got some confidence, a bit of swagger.
I like that they got a taste of that. You can’t chew grit every night. Need some sugar to keep your vibe high.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 23, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I keep thinking about
is how much I want these kids to use this season as a chance to get a taste of what’s to come. I want them to get used to going through different situations. I want them to get really good winning streak and a really bad losing streak. I want them to compete every game but realize effort will not win games for you. I don’t mind if they give up double digit leads a couple times as long as they also learn how to come from behind and get quality wins. I want them to learn how to win ugly games and also how to finish weak teams off.
For the most part, this is the season when they need to experiment and go through all these different situations. This is when they need to grow together and start to develop the chemistry that will get them through future seasons. That’s why I don’t mind them having a horrible game, they might as well get those out of their systems now. Now we get a chance to see how they respond after a bad (result wise) roadtrip. This may get them that chip on their shoulder again.
If it’s not now, then when? We hit rock bottom last season; building up is not going to be easy no matter how many of us may want to believe that. We’re certainly in the right track and for that I love this team
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by edm7 on Nov 23, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice props
PW really gave Sergio and Brockman serious props in his interview
by MustangMBS on Nov 23, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Only caught end of 3rd and the 4th period
Highlight for me: Brockman’s elbow nailing Gasol in the chin.
If only he knocked a tooth out..
by Slaaam on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Highlight of the game.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 23, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was fantastic
Gasol: Hey Brockman, waffles are greatest breakfast food ever!
BAM!!!!!!
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 23, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Brockness: Me like PANCAKES!!! GRRRRAAAAAARRRRR!
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Nov 23, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PW just said: "The coaches and I agree, if Jon Brockman was 3 inches taller he would be illegal"
by betweentheeyes on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
his role on this team should be that he plays 15 minutes a night with two goals, grab as many boards as possible and foul out with 6 hard fouls.
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Nov 23, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost
…grab as many balls as possible…
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by section214 on Nov 23, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that would certainly qualify as a hard foul.
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Nov 23, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if Jon Brockman was 3 inches taller
He’d be Kurt Thomas.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Marc Gasol
woulkd be seeing the eye doctor instead of the dentist.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I really like that quote.
He’d murder people in the paint.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 23, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A silver lining
Westphal in post-game press comments: “If Jon Brockman was three inches taller, he would be illegal. But he’s showing he might be tall enough to make a difference. He’s a force out there.”
Heart. And smarts. We could use more of both. Thank God for home cooking.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 23, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got to the game late: I saw the awful call by the refs (who seem like instigators to me)
for Omri Casspi’s second T. What happened for the first T ? And wasn’t that the first Tecknical called on a King this year?
by betweentheeyes on Nov 23, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Double-technical
Didn’t see what it was about. Would have been nice to have someone—say the announcer—tell us. Unless I missed something.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on Nov 23, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The announcers didn't know
they flat out said he did nothing to deserve the second T
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tie up with Omri & Rudy Gay
2nd T everybody agrees was bullshit. Yes it was.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was tinsley
He had Omri’s arm trapped against his body and wouldn’t let go, Omri got nasty about it with the refs, then T 2×.
by BrooklynFan on Nov 23, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tinsley had Omri's arm wrapped up for the fsecond T
The first T was a double tech between Rudy Gay and Omri.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you know...that's Gay! Always doing what he wants to do.
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Nov 23, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Rudy seems to always have good games against us
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No his first T was a double with Rudy Gay
He was coming down on offense and Rudy kind of bodied him on D and Omri turned and said something to Gay who said something right back. If you noticed it you could of kind of tell the two were in for a double T cause they were jawing at each other for a good 15 seconds. I was kind of glad to see that though. Omri doesnt take shit.
The second T was complete bullshit, he tried to emphasize that he was being held by Tinsley (which was obivious in the replay) but because of the way he basically pushed Tinsley from the free throw line to half court the Refs took it as a Techinical foul on his part.
P.S. also loved when Omri was leaving the court he walked by some douche in the front row who was laughing at him (and probably made some remark as fans who pay that much for a seat feel obligated to do), and Omri gave him a look of “i’ll tear your heart out of your body right now and here”, and the fan’s happy face quickly turned to fear……you don’t fuck with ex Isreali Army men.
by Gilo424 on Nov 23, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First two technicals of the year.
Both called by the same ref. And neither of them deserved.
Maybe that guy has a problem with hummus?
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 23, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is your TV still intact?
Or is it still recovering from the screaming match you put forth?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually sitting down to eat some hummus and na'an
When that second T was called. I almost spit it all over my lap when I saw the replay.
by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Nov 23, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least you didn't waste any
Wasting quality hummus is a crime you know.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait to see how lethal
’Reke will be once K-mart is back to spread the floor. It will be very tough to guard them both.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the D was a real problem tonight. Any thoughts on Speed and Easy on D?
any answers for the lack of interior D?
by betweentheeyes on Nov 23, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look Below
Derrick Favors.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you rather have Derrick Favors or Cole Aldrich?
by Burrito3 on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Favors.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aldrich doesn't have the upside or the explosiveness
He’s basically a more skilled Hawes.
Favors is going to be special.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Special Favors. I like.
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Nov 24, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect, is this a fair comparison?
Aldrich will be a center in the NBA, and Favors leaning towards small forward?
If you’re looking at bigs/centers, what about Monroe (new Causwell?), Alibi (cheaper Dalembert?), or Brackins (Olowokandi with real potential?)…or….(any suggestions?)
by getPGwithbounce on Nov 24, 2009 3:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Favors will be a PF/C
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
by Aykis16 on Nov 24, 2009 6:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With ya there SB
I’m interested to see Speed run off some screens and get some 3’s with his feet set. Lethal I dare say. Yes I said it: Lethal!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with that. Sounds like Reggie and Ray Ray kind of talk.
The best thing is – I think Kevin can score in more ways than they could/can.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 23, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have faith that Coach W will figure out the right way to put them together.
I figure all the injuries are a blessing in disguise. Our bench is getting better with every game. More experience never hurt any team’s bench.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 23, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
our frontline was terrible
i pin the loss on those two. normal lousy game for Spencer. abnormal lousy game for JT.
did not score inside. did not score outside. did not rebound or defend. only cry about legit calls.
Shock and Hawes have always been overrated to me by most Kings fans because neither has a post game or ever earned the respect of a double team in their entire careers. having moves and savvy around the basket is kinda important if that’s where you spend your time. brockness showed more touch in 5 minutes than JT in 5 games.
watching JT gets annoying. he makes the game so much harder than it needs to be. he spends too much time thinking, instead of reading and reacting. he gets out of position defensively, and throwing himself into the defender offensively. the way he flails and forces is like he took two shots of jagger before tip-off.
the comeback in the 4th quarter has a lot to do with grizzlies being able to coast. call it ‘never die attitude’ if you want, but it was more about grizzlies relaxing.
we had 3 guys play tonight. omri, t-rek, and brockman. t-rek was getting to the basket at will. I don’t think I have seen that by anyone since tony parker in his prime. and sergio did well when it was too late.
allowing 113 points to rockets on second of back-to-back was bad sign. this is second game in a row opponent has scored at will once they realized how easy it was.
We are starting to see the effects of K-Mart out of the line-up. No reliable offensive weapons besides Tyreke. Uncertainty and lack of aggression offensively leads to TO-fests like we saw. The refs were terrible tonight, but good teams overcome that.
Luckily, our schedule is getting soft at the right time.
by bench_blob on Nov 23, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ouch. Truth hurts, but I agree.
…neither has a post game or ever earned the respect of a double team in their entire careers.
It’s true but at least they’re improving on their post up games. I think Hawes is a little ahead of JT on the passing out of the double team aspect. We have the shooters to abuse the double teams but I guess they don’t see them quick enough. Good to see JT try that left handed hook tonight. He bricked it but at least he tried something new.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Nov 23, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JT gets doubled all the time down low
partly because he doesn’t know what to do,,,but still, it counts
by ElRonToro on Nov 23, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JT gets doubled...
all the time?
I am not sure I am watching the same Kings games as you. If there is a second defender in the area, in a swarming or trapping defense, and there is a chance for a steal, he may get doubled. But no opponents are designing their defense around JT. Why would opponent leave Beno the Draino or T-Rek unguarded when JT can (easily) be guarded by one guy?
When JT gets into the paint, his half hook, and turn around shot from 5 to 10 feet, are so inaccurate (about 33% I would guess), it would be ludicrous to double him. Giving him the attention of an extra defender would be about as smart as fouling Desmon Mason on a 3 point shot.
by bench_blob on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually JT is shooting 61% eFG% in close
his Tips are down to 33% from last years 50%, but in general he’s shooting very well. Although I can’t tell you what his actual percentage of Hook shots were made. He does have a very high percentage of shots blocked in close, 16%. or 1 out of every 6 is blocked. And, 55% of all his shots are in close.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Nov 24, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it is obvious you are not a fan of our bigs
you point it out consistently. JT and Hawes had terrible games tonight that is clear, but have you already written them off? I could be wrong, but I don’t recall any positive feedback on Saturday after Spence’s 24 and 9. Did you actually watch him score numerous times in the post that game or have you selectively ignored those?
There are so many things this team needs to improve to even be average. We all know this, but surely we can just fill that glass a little? I’ll pour.
by thisismellow on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted...
Spencer had a good game against the Rockets. I give him credit for stepping up, even I didn’t post it. This above post was me venting, rightfully I think, in frustration.
I hope PW considers moving Brockness in the starting lineup for first 6 minutes. Use your fouls, set the tone intensity and hustle. Let Spencer absorb the action and think about how to best contribute once he gets off the bench. We are getting off to poor starts too often. Brockman can catch and finish around the rim. Makes smart choices, fights for every board, flashes to open spots. I like what I see.
Spencer is not going to be the force we hoped this year. His athleticism, strength, confidence and basketball skills all need work for him to take next step as player. Time and maturity will serve him well. On positive note, Chris Kaman is tearing up the league in year 6 of his career, averaging 20/10. He is player proof of the patience needed with big guys. So while I am definitely down on Spencer, as most of us are, I don’t advocate giving up on him.
by bench_blob on Nov 24, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that removing Spence from the starting lineup or giving him an early hook
should depend on how the coaches are reading the issues that he’s having. Does he seem to be ignoring something that they’ve been trying to teach him, or is he just having a hard time grasping a particular concept? Is he taking shots that the coaches don’t want him to be taking, or is he just missing good looks? Hell, it could even be a matter of the coaches deciding that they need to change tactics with Spence and utilize him differently (I know, we’ve been down that road before).
I’m all for giving Mancakes a shot at starting, but it might still be best to just let Spencer and the coaches work-through this and hope he starts to breakout and get more consistent production at some point this season.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 24, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When Omri lost his confidence at the FT line PW made him shoot a techical
Spencer doesn’t need to be pulled, he needs the opportunity to get involve. Shooters got to shot. PW needs to call plays for Spencer & JT early in the game. Maybe the first 6 or 8 possessions depending on how successful they are.
How about some pick & rolls, or a guard screening out for JT so if the other team switches, JT ends up with a mismatch. We don’t create mismatches for our bigs. We make them go one on one against their opposite number.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Nov 24, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wa wa wa... Debbie Schrussel...
Dissapointing game. First real ‘dissapointment’ game for me this year. Our guys looked as if they thought they were better and therefore would win. Our scrappiness is what makes us respectable, and I just didn’t see it tonight. I hope coach let’s them know they are near good enough to write other teams off.
Is my banana fluffy enough?
by 27freethrows on Nov 23, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If that's true (i didn't see the game), then we deserve to lose it.
We’re not ateam that can afford to look at a calendar and mark down certain games as sure wins. Every win we get has to be earned, not one given away by a team with less talent.
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by NoceOne on Nov 23, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I only saw/listened to a few minutes here and there
Conclusions that I drew from that and from the boxscore:
- Tyreke Evans is a manbeast.
- Sergio Rodriguez is making a serious case for being a legitimate backup pointguard in this league.
- Jon Brockman gets under-the-table kickbacks from dentists in every NBA city.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 23, 2009 9:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You left out the most important point
Hawes got seriously punked. I think it’s now time to rekindle the big man trade rumors and send Hawes ass back to the bench.
by KingsFan on Nov 24, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For whom?
I mean, if you bench Hawes, who are you going to start?
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by section214 on Nov 24, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Gasol's dentist.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Kings' Chuck Hayes
I see how you’re thinking there, but I’m very curious about Brockman’s post defense. I’ve never seen it, and I’ve never read any concrete analysis on it. If he can defend in the post like Chuck Hayes, then by all means throw him out there. But if he could, I would think he’d already be taking K-9’s minutes. But if you’re putting Brockman on the court with no defensive ability and no offensive inclinations, then a rebounding monster would still result in a negative reaction if people are dropping hookshots all over him, putting up floaters in front of him, and pick-and-rolling the shit out of the Kings (you know the guards can’t defend it either), then it is completely unfair to put Brockman in as a starter and have him face those expectations without giving him fair opportunity to grow.
Spencer isn’t playing great now, but he’s the best the C the Kings have. His replacement isn’t going to come from this roster (well, other than playing JT at the 5 and going smallball crawl – but that’s not fair to JT). Spencer’s motivation is a thing he and the coaches have to figure out, but talent-wise he’s better than the other options.
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by iashwash on Nov 24, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brockman?
I could almost see him starting alongside Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett. But he makes no sense as a starter with JT.
Brockman is what he is – great energy that deserves more burn off the bench. But a starter in the NBA he is not, unless he is filling a specific role for a long and talented team (and the Kings are neither).
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by section214 on Nov 24, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some would say
that Hawes is also not starter material, so pick your poison.
Brockman’s probably only good for 20-25 minutes max a game before fouling out, but he’ll give the energy, set the picks, get the boards, do the dirty work, score a little (7 in the fourth quarter last night) and play decent defense. And he probably won’t make as many mistakes as what we are seeing lately.
Realistically, though, Brockman starting is not going to happen, but I’d at least like to see the guy for 10-15 minutes a night.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm not arguing on behalf of Spencer
But the last alternative was May, and that turned out to be no alternative. For better or worse (and currently it seems to be worse), Hawes is the best center on the roster.
I would also like to see Brockman get more burn off the bench. Nothing against Thomas (who has played reasonably well), but I’d rather see Brockman get those minutes.
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by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we need
A fairly quick hook for all of our bigs. Play well, and you get to play, period.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That might not be a bad idea
I’m usually for letting a player play through it (Adelman was big on that), but with this young group there may be a point of diminishing returns. Certainly, I would love to see Brockman rewarded with more minutes. I would be very interested to see how he would handle the front line of a quality team (Bynum-Gasol or Oden-Aldridge, for example).
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by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing he needs to learn
is how to flop. Although, he may have found out it doesn’t work for him and it’s better just to contest the guy he’s guarding.
One thing I do like is he gets his money’s worth on fouls and makes them earn it at the line. When you’re playing a big who can’t shoot free throws, and there are a lot of them, it’s a lot better than just giving up the big throw down and maybe still giving the guy an “and 1.”
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus you can sometimes make your opponent a little "flinchy"
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by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys ragged on me for small pre season sample size
but the Kings have the worse FT% in the league…just like pre-season. Again PW knows squat about Ft defense.
by ElRonToro on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL ElRon
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by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just finished watching the game (hours later)
That was a terrible game by our boys. the Kings were bad tonight and did not deserve to even be in the game, but personally I think that was the worst officiated game of NBA i’ve seen for some time.
I do not understand the new interpretation of the travel call and it’s clear neither do the players. the refs seemed to be keen to call plenty of hand checks on the perimeter, but swallowed their whistles under the basket. their was some genuine confusion out there from the players and I don’t blame them.
the early turnovers and quick fouls within the first five minutes set the tone for the game and the kings never recovered. it’s clear there is little to no room for error for this team, but I have no doubt they’ll bounce back.
by thisismellow on Nov 24, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ya there mellow
I think this was a necessary step in this group’s development. Hopefully, we’ll see less of these games moving forward.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 24, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this might be the kick in the pants we need to start on a new winning streak.
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by NoceOne on Nov 24, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully you are correct.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 24, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe! 4 game winning streak on the way!
Of course, after all my “believing” earlier, I’m not sure it really helps! Hehe!
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by NoceOne on Nov 24, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
It can’t hurt Noce. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 24, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Westphal has been a little too easy on the boys
When they were losing early inthe season Westphal had them practice on Sunday the night after a game. The comment then was that the previous coaches never did that. I hope Westphal gets a little pissy over this pathetic display and relights the fire.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's possible
They might have relaxed some. They do need to regain the edge, I agree.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 24, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so too.
Maybe they’ve been riding on a wave of “love” and “warmth” and “candy sprinkles” and this is the boot that gets us off that cushy couch.
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by NoceOne on Nov 24, 2009 1:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio got 16 & 7 in 17 minutes with 1 turnover.
I took a lot of flack in “Taking Stock” tread, for my indorsement of Sergio. And, though 1 more good game isn’t proof. I feel that my statement
Sergio brings something different to the court. Speed, passing & court vision, and he’s shown that he’s capable of dishing out double digit assists. If this team doesn’t need Sergio, it needs someone like him
Had been justified. I still think PW is wrong in not playing Sergio at point with Tyreke or Beno at SG more often. In fact I said I’d like to see Sergio start. Not that PW should stop playing Tyreke & Beno together. But, we have a turnover problem. And, having a good passing PG who is shooting very well, can’t hurt us until Martin’s return.
I’ve been lectured that PW needs the chance to experiment with his rotations. I hope the next experiment includes 25+ mpg for Sergio. He’s proving that he can help this team, when he’s allowed to get more than 9mpg.
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by HighTops on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sergio hasn't shown he's worth 25+ mpg
Beno did not play well tonight, but that doesn’t mean that Sergio is worth 25+ mpg either. Although, I have no problem with wanting Sergio to get minutes. I just don’t really think it matters.
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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 24, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Props to you and Sergio
He played well, albeit in garbage time. I’m sure if the starters aren’t getting it done, Westphal will give the bench players more time.
The bench was really giving the team a lift during the win streak, and then Westphal seemed to give up on guys like Udoka and Brockman. I was at the Rockets game at Arco, and the bench came up huge in the second quarter as we took an 11-point lead into Arco.
I guess Omri and Donte are earning their extra minutes, and the team actually played pretty gutty on this road trip before tonight. But I’d like the smart hustle guys to get some burn as well.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 1:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope you're right
My fear is, the answer to the Beno or Sergio question is: neither.
Neither of them are good enough to contribute consistently. Of course, they’ll both have their moments, but they both look like a 4th guard to me. Hopefully Sergio will grow into more.
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by ForThree on Nov 24, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio should start next game
That’s what Beno deserves after that dismal performance in Memphis. You can’t coddle these millionaires.
by KingsFan on Nov 24, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you are not my coach
Players should be benched when a trend develops. One game does not a trend make.
by bench_blob on Nov 24, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Asked this question in the JT thread
But got no answer:
Just how many games does it take to confirm a trend?
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no clue
But I’ll say early January before I say JT can or can’t be All-Star caliber.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 24, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So a season and a half
Or half a season.
Tyreke seems to have made just about everyone’s mind up in 13 games. But I know he’s a special talent and a top 4 pick.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really sure what the criteria is or should be
So, again, no clue.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Nov 24, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trends or Tendencies can show up very quickly
If a player has no ability to use his off hand, the tendency could be seen in as little as one game. It doesn’t take long the determine that JT doesn’t shoot 3 pters.
What really takes time, is finding why the trends or tendencies are taking place. And, whether or not it’s correctable.
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by HighTops on Nov 24, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Kings didn't play well enough to say they were cheated
The way the game was officiated in the fourth quarter I would of liked to know the point-spread. Memphis was the better team but they won by the larger margin because of the calls they got when they got them.
by Kevin.S on Nov 24, 2009 4:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
we all seem to agree - I recommend raising your voice to an ear that needs to hear it
complain to the NBA. The call on Casspi was horrible (the second T). Let them hear it.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 24, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've seen Stern's opinion of quality officiating is probabily different then ours
I get the impression that the the priority for officials is to help the Lakers and the Bulls win championships and not fair, and unbiased competition.
by Kevin.S on Nov 25, 2009 1:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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