Does Tyreke need to play 36+ mpg?
It's more than likely that the Kings finish November with a 7 & 9 record. December will be the start of the tougher part of the schedule. We play 15 games against teams with an average winning percentage of .462. Only 2 teams have a percentage below the Kings .385, although we do play the TWolfs (.071) twice. Seven of the fifteen games are against Eastern Conference Team, and we were only 1 & 29 against Eastern Conference teams last year. If were very lucky, maybe we finish December with a 12 & 19 record. As good as our season has started, we still look to be below 30 wins this year. .
We lost Cisco to a freak accident, we lost Martin to another injury, and our depth at every position except SF & PG is weak. It’s going to take time for PW to instill his offensive & defensive philosophies, to the point where they come naturally to our young roster. Additionally, in only 12 games, Tyreke has injured his ankle and his hand.
So, I’m beginning to wonder if Tyreke needs to play 36+ MPG. Currently with Cisco & Martin out, PW doesn’t have a better option. The fact that he played Donte at the 2 when Tyreke was out, kind of proves that. In fact, PW has played 4 forwards and a guard on more than one occasion.
Certainly, extended minute would help in Tyreke’s efforts to win ROY. But, from a win/lose standpoint how many more wins can we expect from those extended minutes. Would his development be inhibited if he only played say 28 to 30 mpg? Maybe, not being the focal point of the offense, might take some of the pressure off Tyreke, and allow him to ease into his new role more comfortably.
Tyreke is putting up some exceptional numbers already. 19 points, 4.8 assists, 4.6 rebounds, & 1.4 steals per game as a rookie. And, his 3 turnovers aren’t that far out of line considering his minutes, how much he’s asked to handle the ball, and his penetrating style of offense. Although some of his entry passes are purely rookie. If there are any shortcomings it’s in assists, but not unexpected considering his inexperience at the PG position.
I’d like to see Tyreke avoid further injury, and to have the weight of the teams success taken off his back. I’d like to see him eased into the PG position. I’d like to see him given time to work on his jump shot, and not feel like he has to attack the basket to carry the team. In short, I’d like to protect Tyreke and use his rookie season to develop his game, and not burn him out.
Until Martin returns, I’d like to see Tyreke split his minutes evenly between PG & SG. So, he can spend half his time running the team working on his passing and playmaking. Then when he’s at SG he can attack the basket like he does now and work on his outside shooting. I would like to see how well he can shoot when he’s set up and not having to create his own shot.
I would play Tyreke 18mpg at PG and 18mpg at SG
I would play Sergio 30mpg at PG
And I would play Beno 18 mpg at SG with Tyreke, and 12mpg at SG with Sergio
When Martin returns I’d play Tyreke 27-30mpg mostly at PG. And, backup Tyreke & Martin with a combo of Sergio, Beno, & Cisco.
I know this goes against the FO’s stand that Tyreke is their PG. But, if the reduced minutes and pressure to perform helps him ease into the PG position and avoid further injury, then we should do it. The added benefit of getting a better understanding of where we stand as far as backup PG, can’t be ignored. While the difference in win/lose percentage over the next 6 weeks, will have a negligible effect on our season total.
If Tyreke is the centerpiece of our future, and I think he is, then we need to take our time in developing him and protecting him.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I see your point
You make some excellent observations, but Tyreke knows the game of basketball. He knows how to pace himself, and protect himself. He is a phenom. Little injuries like jammed fingers and sprains are inevitable. Basketball is a contact sport and NBA players are physical. Limiting his minutes to prevent injury altogether is wishful thinking.
I want to see Tyreke play 40+ minutes a game! PW has a good feel for when to take players out, or shift responsibilities. Tyreke will go to the bench if and when he makes a series of mental mistakes, which could be the result of a lapse of judgment and/or physical fatigue. PW will give him a brief rest when he sees this occur. Foul trouble and end of quarters are also good time to give him a blow.
I think Tyreke will really benefit once we add a legitimate low post presence and finisher around the rim. This will ease the burden he has right now. Tyreke needs someone he can feed too in the paint he can count on to finish the play. I was hoping this could be JT, but he is too busy crying at the refs.
It's pretty simple...
Right now, accounting for some key injuries, Tyreke is our best player.
I think you’ll find that the best player on nearly every team spends a lot of time on the court.
by unfair weather on Nov 24, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions
i think Tyreke has some work to put in
And I don’t mind him playing more off-guard to ease the pressure off him. He definitely needs to cut down on turnovers and make quicker decisions when passing, and make crisper passes in general.
But I don’t see a need to cut his minutes down. In fact, I think they should stay the same or increase.
The mistakes he makes are the mistakes of many rookies and are to be expected. Meanwhile, the only way to get better is to play. I think the coaching staff is learning Evans as much as he is learning the NBA, and I think as the season progresses we will see an overall improvement in his game. And around the time when most rookies hit “the wall” Martin and Garcia will be back to pick up the slack.
Evans is a good NBA player already. To be great he needs to learn: how to use his teammates effectively and get them into the flow of the offense, how to open up his game with a jump shot, how to make decisions quicker, and how to take over a game when his teammates are playing badly. I think these are things that most NBA players NEVER learn, and so it is amazing that we are even talking about a rookie in this way.
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by Ice_9ine on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I can agree with a couple points
That Beno should be playing SG. Also, that Sergio should be the PG along with Tyreke.
As you point out we have a shortage of SGs. Beno can really nail the long ball and needs to less ball handling, running the Offense, and more spot shooting.
Besides, I want to see what Sergio can do with more minutes. He has definitely earned them.
Tyreke
should play 40 minutes a game. If he wasn’t putting the ball in the hole last night, it would have been a blowout in the third quarter.
I hope we see more of that Brockman-Casspi-Sergio-Tyreke lineup in second quarters with Udoka, JT and Kenny sprinkled in as appropriate.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 24, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions
They need to play better as a team
Too much analysis based on last nights game should be discouraged unless it continues.
I thought Reke was playing a lot of SG already myself. When he’s on the court with beno they seem to split things up.
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But I think 36 minutes maximum a night is a good idea.
Its a lot more games and minutes than any college player sees as it is. D Rose seems to have funked by playing too much last year and this,
I don’t want to be talking the same way Bulls fans are this time next year.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 24, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
According to ElRonToro's post
Tyreke has averaged 38mpg over the last 7 games. With a FG% of 50% ,and a 3pt shooting percentage of 53%. And, he’s by far the highest FGA’s on the team.
With 3 times the FGA’s as assists, he seems to me to be playing the role of a SG more than a PG. I don’t care want the Kings FO & coach want to call him. Not that there is anything wrong with being a combo who can play point.
I’d just like to see more improvement in passing and working with the bigs. More pick & rolls with Spencer & JT finishing strong, and more passes deep into the paint for easy baskets for our front line, & certainly more kickouts for open 3’s.
This team gets itself into holes because we’re living off penetration & jumpshots. Not the highest percentage shot in basketball. And, I think it must be difficult to keep your assignments straight when your playing with another combo guard and switch between PG to SG from one play to the next.
We see it every game, blown defensive assignments & miscommunication. I don’t know how these young guys can keep it straignt in their mind when they have to play 2 or 3 position, and sometimes in the same game. Tyreke playing the 1,2,or 3. Donte playing the 2,3,or 4. Omri, I don’t know how many he’s played. And, then sometimes they switch assignments when they go back on defense because of mismatches. It’s no wonder, players are blowing thru our defense on fast breaks, because no one knows who man it is.
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Reke will play as much as we need him to
If we want to win games.
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I think it comes with the territory
for a high draft pick. If he’s playing fewer minutes it means he’s not playing well. He and Beno are splitting the pg/sg positions and my only concern is that "Reke needs to take on the role of floor leader at times. The fact that he’s playing as many minutes as is, is a testimony to effectiveness on offense AND D.
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OMG
He’s a Rookie, give him as many minutes as his body can take, he is a 19 year old kid…With Reke playing next to Kspeed He will get to the rack and hoppfully so will Speed, and the will dish out to the other while the lane is being clogged…..
Tyreke is out for the NY game after twisting his ankle again
This is the 3rd time in 13 games. But, actually I would guess that it never really healed after the first ankle injury. And, he was to gung ho to play and never let it heal properly. Of course, I’m not one of the team doctors so I don’t know for sure.
I hope he doesn’t feel the need to carry this team on his own.
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he has been carrying them, he is "the future of the franchise" and picked by many to be RoY
the pressure has to be intense.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 24, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Got to try and break in the ride without blowing out a tire
always a risk, and this kid goes at it, but he is built like a halfback. You know how it goes – it is always good to play him unless he gets hurt and then you question and complain.
Let the coaches figure it out – geez there are enough of them with a ton of experience – hard to get wins with your best players out or on the bench.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 24, 2009 11:32 PM PST reply actions
Well he's out again so he can sit in the stands instead of on the bench
Everyone keeps saying how young he is and how kid’s can go all night long. But, since when do 20 year olds know how to take care of themselves. Every 20 year old I ever knew, burned the candle from both ends until they got themselves sick or burned out.
But then, my question wasn’t whether or not he could, or should. It was whether or not he’s needed to play extended minutes this season? How many more games will we win if he plays an extra 6 to 9 mpg? And, how much will those extra minutes improve his development?
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Have the Kings ruled him out?
Because the twitter msg said he was questionable. (Which I grant means probably out.) But, Tyreke may play.
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It is the age old dilemma. You are bad enough to draft high and talent poor enough that you need wins and production now
Back when the NBA drafted seniors and even “hardships” – you know back when they jumped the ball after every score – it made more sense. Now with these kids doing one and done, like Tyreke, and Brandon Jennings – it is a lot to expect and they try, rightly or wrongly to burn these kids into the line up and hope they don’t burn up or burn out.
I think they play the kid too much – he looks a bit spent some of the time and becomes more reckless – but those are major minutes. Maybe his ankles are showing signs of wear and tear – like you say, the trainers know so the coaches know. The extra minutes 6-9 shouldn’t make much of a difference to his overall development if they regulate the substitutiions more. They certainly roulette the big men enough.
You bring up good points, I have no argument.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 24, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
Let's say Reke is as good as we all think he is bte
You play stars of Reke’s caliber 40 mins a night. You just do.
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I believe he played after his first ankle injury
but left the game early, due to the pain. But, no I haven’t heard directly from the Kings that he definitely won’t play. Just that he went to the hospital for xrays. I’m just postulating that if it’s a reinjury of the ankle, they will hold him out.
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He'll have warmed it up for you no doubt
(and I still think you keep his minutes at around 36)
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by lietothegirls on Nov 25, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions

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