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Preview: Knicks at Kings

That's low, Al Harrington. Real fricking low.

Star-divide

THE OPPONENT

This is going to blow your fricking mind: the Knicks defense is better than the Knicks offense.

That is more of a commentary on the dreadful shooting the Knicks have given the world this season. New York ranks 22nd in effective field goal percentage, and 24th in three-point shooting. This is particularly problematic because the Knicks have taken more threes than anyone else. A full 32 percent of New York's FGAs are threes, which is outpaced by Orlando (34 percent) but still bloody robust. And, again, bloody, considering New York hits only 31 percent of those. That's an eFG of about 46 percent on threes, which is comparable with lower echelon two-point shooting. While threes are among the most efficient shots in the game, you do need to remain fairly good at hitting them to reap the benefits.

As for New York's defense: opponents turn the ball over quite a bit against the Knicks. Larry Hughes is the only passing lane wizard on the squad, but Sacramento has shown such a propensity to turn the ball over lately that even Eddy Curry could morph into a hawk before our eyes. A frightening visage, no doubt.


FG3PTFTReboundsMisc
GMMAPctMAPctMAPctOffDefTotAstTOStlBlkPFPPG
Al Harrington 14 31.1 6.7 15.1 44.3 1.4 5.1 28.2 4.2 4.9 85.5 1.1 4.8 5.9 1.4 2.4 1.2 0.4 3.3 19.1
David Lee 14 32.6 6.9 13.1 53.0 0.0 0.1 0.0 3.4 4.6 73.4 2.3 7.4 9.7 2.6 2.4 1.2 0.4 3.4 17.2
Danilo Gallinari 14 29.1 4.6 10.2 45.5 3.0 6.7 44.7 1.7 2.0 85.7 0.6 3.6 4.2 1.5 1.4 0.8 0.6 2.2 14.0
Larry Hughes 12 33.4 4.5 10.8 41.9 1.1 3.8 28.3 2.5 3.2 78.9 0.8 3.3 4.1 4.1 1.7 2.1 0.7 2.5 12.6
Wilson Chandler 14 33.0 4.9 12.3 39.5 0.7 3.3 21.7 1.8 2.0 89.3 1.6 4.0 5.6 1.7 1.7 0.5 1.2 3.6 12.2
Nate Robinson 8 21.4 3.3 8.9 36.6 1.5 4.5 33.3 0.9 1.4 63.6 0.6 1.3 1.9 3.3 1.6 0.8 0.4 2.4 8.9
Toney Douglas 13 14.5 3.4 6.6 51.2 0.8 2.2 37.9 0.4 0.5 83.3 0.2 0.8 1.1 0.6 0.8 0.4 0.0 1.5 8.0
Chris Duhon 14 34.5 1.9 7.7 24.1 0.8 3.9 20.0 1.9 2.3 81.3 0.3 2.9 3.2 6.2 1.9 1.2 0.1 1.4 6.4
Eddy Curry 4 11.3 1.8 4.5 38.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.8 3.3 53.8 1.0 1.5 2.5 0.0 2.8 0.0 0.0 2.0 5.3
Jordan Hill 7 7.7 2.0 3.1 63.6 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.6 0.7 80.0 1.1 0.6 1.7 0.3 0.7 0.4 0.4 1.6 4.6
Jared Jeffries 13 19.7 1.2 3.0 41.0 0.2 0.8 30.0 0.4 0.7 55.6 1.2 1.7 2.8 1.4 1.2 0.5 0.8 2.2 3.1
Marcus Landry 4 5.3 1.0 2.0 50.0 0.3 1.0 25.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 0.5 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.8 2.3
Darko Milicic 8 8.8 1.0 2.1 47.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.6 1.6 2.3 0.5 0.3 0.5 0.1 0.9 2.0

Seth of Posting & Toasting is the funniest 20-year-old I've ever met, which the two exceptions being Donte Greene last year and myself at age 20. (If you can't see the joke in there, my humor is way too next level for you.)

THE KEY BATTLE

I would announce the coming conquest of Tyreke Evans over his worst DraftExpress comp (Hughes) if Evans were certain to play, but alas, he is soft. (This is the greatest: part of the Peaches crusade against Kevin Martin was that Evans was so tough that he'd play through minor things like sprains. "If it isn't broke, you play." Guess what? Sprains hurt! They limit your ability to run, stop, jump, cut and slide! Basketball requires those movements! Frequently! And basketball players -- even tough basketball players -- need to let their body heal sometimes. Sorry that Kevin Martin and Tyreke Evans and Bobby Jackson are robbing you of your $0 tickets.)

In conclusion, if Grant Napear were an actor, he'd be Peter O'TOOLe. If Grant Napear were a president, he'd be IDIOTham Lincoln. If Grant Napear were a Danish philosopher, he'd be Soren DOUCHEgaard. If Grant Napear were a game show host, he'd be Pat SaJACKASS.

THE KEY BATTLE, NON-TANGENT EDITION

Beno Udrih, meet Chris Duhon. Destroy Chris Duhon. Destroy him. (I will also accept Jason Thompson vs. Al Harrington.)

INTERESTING SIDESHOW

The Kings are 0-1 in games when free pregame buffets are provided to fans. But I've got a special feeling about this buffet. Yes, this one will beget good things. Lofty things. (Seriously, nice promo, Kings. Golf clap. If I didn't have a date with an infant and some spit-up, I'd be right there with you shovelling mashed potatoes down my throat, leaving my seat to visit the gentlemen's room at a crucial point in the game. Right there with you.)

BOLD PROCLAMATION

Eddy Curry will not feel like commiserating with Francisco Garcia over the dangerous realities of exercise balls. (Speaking of which, does anyone else think El Flaco should spend his time away from the court doing stand-up? "An Israeli soldier, Sean May and Eric Musselman walk into a bar. And then I'm like, wassup fellas? <cackle>")

NUMERIC PREDICTION

Considering the Sexy Systemic Rating System has been an abject failure in determining margins of victory, let us stick to the mainstream methods: random guesses, based on intuition and hope. Kings 124, Knick 78.

DETAILS

7 PM start (for the game and the game thread. Forreal this time). Buffet opens at 5:30. No Game Thread II tonight. Post-game thread at 9:45. Go Kings.

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Softeritis?

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 25, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Where the hell did we get all these soft players?

Put on your uni and get rid of that cast, KMart! You’re playing!
Rub some dirt on your wrist and get ready to start, Garcia!
Spit some dirt onto your palm (and ankle) and play through the pain, Evans!
Grab some tissue and an inhaler and start shooting, Beno!

Jeez, these players!

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Nov 25, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin would love that

and Cisco is too busy handing out dinner plates at the Maloof’s Thanksgiving Buffet.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 26, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

So let's recap

Peaches is a tool idiot douche jackass.

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 25, 2009 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

Tell us how you really feel...

Quit holding back. It’s not good to keep it all in. :)

by kwill on Nov 25, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

If Grant Napear were a basketball team,

he’d be the Denver Douche Nuggets. Hey, this is fun.

I will open a thread for the 2nd half if the traffic warrants that it be done. Threaders, the ball is in your court.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 12:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

correction

If Grant Napear were a basketball team, he’d be the New York Knicks.

by Seth on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

I feel cheated somehow.

I expected funnier after Ziller’s intro.

C’mon. Say something funnier.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 25, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You're getting warmer....

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 25, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks, Z. Saw them play the F*kers last night.

They double team super quickly and go for steals as soon as the ball reaches a player’s hands. If there’s any game that will test ’Reke and JT on passing out of double teams quickly its this one.

I agree with the predicted score but it could also go the other way, with the Knicks blowing the Kings out – if the Kings leave them wide open and they shoot like gangbusters.

Since they double team a lot, ‘Reke kicking out to a hot hand is key. I really hope all of our shooters, Noc, Beno, Cass and Ime (c’mon Ime!) practiced shooting their WIDE open threes this morning. ‘Reke dishing to JT and Spence should also be fun to watch since David Lee can’t defend both of them.

ONE MORE
IF Peaches played in a band it would TOOL. Ha!

BTW – Coach W said Tyreke looks healthy to play. (excuse the linkless fan shot – sorry ’bout that)

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

If Grant Napear were food,

he’d be Jerk Chicken.

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by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

If Peaches were food...

I’d have food poisoning!

Purveyor of Bull Plop

by SayWhat? on Nov 25, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

So, You've been eating Peaches, the fruit right?

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 25, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

His band

would actually be GARBAGE (female lead singer suits him better IMO).

I’d put $5 in the pot for someone to present him with this – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqLgyvX7duw

Kings - 2011/2012 Champions

by SkylineFanatic on Nov 25, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellent.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If Peaches were a burger:

he’d be a Sloppy Joe.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

If Peaches were a Sesame Street puppet...

He’d be SOFTaleupagus…and he’d be kicking it with the Grouch due to his positive outlook on things.

by adamsite on Nov 25, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Star Wars?

Douche Vader

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rookie projects?

Hasheem Twatbeet.

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by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Original Star Trek?

Captain James T. Jerk.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Personality disorders?

ASSburger’s syndrome.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Planet...

too easy….Youranus

by adamsite on Nov 25, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Going tonight...

pray the Kings don’t F it up. Interesting to see how David Lee does against Hawes (and vice versa). Unfortunately, my money is on Lee.

Purveyor of Bull Plop

by SayWhat? on Nov 25, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

I would rather see Noce and Donté on DLee and Omri on Wilson Chandler

DLee will outquick, out position and out muscle the taller but slower Hawes around the bucket.. He is a better match up with J (I can’t stop holding my head when they blow the whistle) T. Scratch that – Mancakes on DLee should be the match up of the night.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 25, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The absolute best...if peaches were a histrocial character...

He’d be Useless S. Grant…wearing his New York Football Giants Blue.

by adamsite on Nov 25, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

on the game evaluation part of the thread - I am surprised you are focused on Beno

This is a fast paced team who tempo up to cause turnovers and fast break baskets.

This is a game plan scripted for Sergio Rodriguez. I expect him to flourish tonight.
The Knicks will also drive the lane alot – BOLD PREDICTION redux: Spencer Hawes to get 7 blocks tonight – and not one less.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 25, 2009 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

A few things I'd like to see

More help defense, more doubling the ball, more Udoka, more running, more bodies going to get defensive boards and more three-point shots.

We’re very slow to rotate lately on defense, particularly in the lane. Yes, Spencer, I am talking about you. This needs to improve or we’re going to go through a lot more long nights.

We get a lot of steals when we double, particularly with Udoka in the game. And that gets our transition game going, and we’re pretty decent when we get shots in transition.

When we were playing well, we had 3-4 bodies converging on defensive rebounds. I’m not seeing enough of that lately.

On the three-pointers, we have some guys who can shoot it from long range. We’re ninth in 3-point field goal percentage, bot only 19th in attempts. Let’s work the clock a bit, get the ball around the horn, make teams defend us. Making some threes can also open up things down low.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

A trend to end

We’ve given up more points to each successive opponent for five straight games..

When we’ve been winning, we’ve been outscoring teams about 108-101 on average. When we lose, you can just about turn those two numbers around.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

Further trend to end.

We’ve been outscored by our opponents 4 consecutive games.

Fun fact: the Kings are 5-0 in games where they outscore the opposition.

by unfair weather on Nov 25, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

say it ain't so!!!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 25, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

If he were a coach

He would be Dick Idlebrain.

by Carl on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

If he were a shooter

He would be Peja Stoyakobitch

by Carl on Nov 25, 2009 2:04 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

If he were a 6th man

He would be Booby Jackass

by Carl on Nov 25, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

My comment of the week right here.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Nov 25, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Liar.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If he was in a CS Lewis novel

He’d be Assclown the Lion.

None of these are funny, but I could do this all day.

by Carl on Nov 25, 2009 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

Please don't.

... Now let me show you why they call me the Velour Fog...

by tomroadrunner on Nov 25, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Please do.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

If he were a mystical golfer

He’d be The Legend of Teabagger Vance

by Carl on Nov 25, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions   4 recs

If he was a football team he would be the Raiders
Sloppy, Always on the defense(of his own character) and and only known because of his antics.

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Nov 25, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

That’s what it is..Peaches is Al Davis’s long lost son…No wonders hes such an idiot!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Nov 26, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Martin is Soft

Just face it. I love his game, but he’s soft. In the two seasons from 07-09, Martin missed over 50 games. Over 50 games in two seasons. Get over it Ziller, that’s soft. If you’d rather use other words like “breakable,” “weak,” or “injury prone,” go ahead. I don’t care what you call it, but missing that many games is a significant problem. Tyreke is much less likely to miss a combined 50+ games in two seasons.

Ailene Voisin is wack and hearts Rubio

by Bambooozled on Nov 25, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

We all agree

Kevin Martin is soft! No doubt about it

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 25, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Bamboozeld is a tool

Just face it. I love his posts, but he’s a tool. In the five months from June to November 2009, Bamboozled missed over 50 posts. Over 50 posts in five months. Get over it Ziller, that’s soft. If you’d rather use other words like “ignorant,” “weak,” or “moronic,” go ahead. I don’t care what you call it, but missing that many posts is a significant problem. Edm7 is much less likely to miss a combined 50+ games in two seasons.

(Not for nothing, but Dwyane Wade missed 62 games over a two year period, so I guess that he’s soft, too.)

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by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

dwyane wade??!!

That’s another softie for you section. Kevin martin + dwyane wade = Charmin soft.

And thanks for the props. I post even when I have broken wrists. That’s what real men do

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 25, 2009 4:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Charmin soft...

Lol love rec’d

by B-RAD on Nov 25, 2009 6:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

He was bamboozeld all right

He thought he was getting the good brain but he got Abby Normal’s instead.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 25, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice try, Ailene

Next time it might work better if you at least get the heading right when accusing someone else of being drunk.

Fail.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel the love for peaches.

If the maloofs really want attendance to pick up, they offer kick peaches in the crotch day. I guarantee the best attendance in the NBA!

by BearKing on Nov 25, 2009 3:26 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Maybe it could be the grand finale

at the end of the buffet.

Come on out to Arco for a buffet and kick Peaches in trhe crotch.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Golden State

beat the Mavericks with six players, including three who played all 48 minutes.

If we only had six players tonight and three had to play all 48 minutes, who would you choose?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 4:54 PM PST reply actions  

Kobe, LeBron and Dwight Howard

Oh, you mean on our roster? Rats.

OK, excluding Martin and Garcia because they are hurt, I would go with ’Reke, JT and Hawes. My thinking(?) here is that they are the hardest guyst to replace on the current roster. I would love to run Omri in there for 48, but we have Noc and Greene to give minutes there. Beno and Sergio can both give minutes at the point.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

'Reke, Cisco and Kevin.

Now: ’Reke, Noc and JT.

I dunno…it also depends on the other team for match ups.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol

at the thought of JT playing 48 mins and not fouling out. It will be great though when he can do that if needed.

by SKanthony on Nov 25, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why I put him in my rotation

of guys NOT to play 48 minutes.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Thought about it

and I think I’d go with Tyreke, Beno or Sergio and Casspi for the full 48 and JT, Brockman and Udoka for the other three slots. That means Casspi would be playing some 4.

I didn’t consider the guys who are hurt, but if they were around I’d play Kevin for the full 48 instead of my Beno or Sergio spot.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Who wants to bet Brockman

gets some real minutes tonight?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 25, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions  

Brockman v. Lee

Bring down the steel cage.

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by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, excellent

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 25, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

+10.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Tables, Ladders and Chairs.

So looking forward to Brockman vs. Lee.

Coaches, make it happen!

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 25, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

All Brockman has to do

is think, “So you’re the sonofabitch who took my four inches!”

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's put the over/under at 15 minutes.

I say slightly over.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

If Brockman gets more than 20 minutes

Watch for the fantasy alerts. :)

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 25, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

If Peaches was a...

Basketball player he would be Tinsley, a complete tool, and Casspi would be kicking his ass on the court for holding onto him

by MustangMBS on Nov 25, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions  

Mybe JT will play the point

cause he is to soft to play the post, lol

Look for JT to have a big weekend Mom and Pop are in Sac town

by Beagle12 on Nov 25, 2009 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

We may be back to one game thread -

Mrs. section214 has apparently made dinner plans for us this evening. I…just…hate…her…so…much…

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by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 6:53 PM PST reply actions  

Dinner over the Kings? MADNESS.

"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

by Scott Coleman on Nov 25, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It's anarchy!

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 25, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

“Anarchy!” “Anarchy!” “Anarchy!”

I’d post a pic of the kids from Talladega Nights, but searching Photobucket is a joke.

"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

by Scott Coleman on Nov 25, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

My parents are in town for the holiday.

They came over to watch the game at my house.

That’s right. It’s genetic.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 25, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

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