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A Formal Apology to Beno Udrih

(From the FanPosts, with minor editing for language. -- TZ)

Dear Beno:

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize publicly, solemnly, and unequivocally for all of the bad things I said and wrote about you. I wasn’t alone in my disparaging and discourteous remarks, but that can’t be taken as an excuse. There is no excuse. To quote Jack Nicholson’s character in A Few Good Men: “Don't I feel like the farkin’ acehole?”

Star-divide

All kinds of unfavorable allegations have been made against you by me and by others. Among other things, it’s been said that you have no heart, that you played well in a contract year and then mailed it in afterward, that you were horrendously overpaid, and that you were doomed to Kenny Thomas status (separate K-9 apology forthcoming). It’s also been said that you were a malcontent, a non-team player, a guy who doesn’t try on defense.

Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa.

Sure it’s early, and anything can still happen. But you are making a lot of people look really stupid, which is to say, like the fools that we are. Allow me to expound.

I note, among other things, for example, that you are currently shooting 54% from the field. Please understand that the following questions are meant only in the most positive sense: Are you out of you mind? Where did that come from? I note also that you are on a career high pace in three-point shooting (41%), free throw shooting (89%), and points (14.3). And you are ahead of your career averages for assists, rebounds, and steals. Even your defense has looked downright respectable much of the time. And you have been absolutely crucial in several of our wins. All this after having your starting job stolen by an upstart rookie. I am not aware of a single person anywhere that predicted anything like this. If a genius is someone that makes fools out of everyone else, then you sir are a genius.

And speaking of genius, Kings fans and many others (myself included) all complained, criticized and condemned President Geoff for the better part of a year after he signed you to that MLE contract. And how is our man Geoff looking now, huh? Four stellar draft choices in two years, shrewd trades for Sergio, Donté, and the rights to Omri, and a bunch of salary and dead weight dumps, and wouldn’t you know it, our man Geoff is suddenly looking like he’s a step ahead of the league again. Oh, and then there’s that MLE contract a year ago. Not too shabby Mr. P.

And the allegation that you’re not a team player? This will not stand! Starter? Bench player? Doesn’t matter. You are tearing it up, sir. Off the bench you are shooting 56% field, and 50% threes. And in the last two games, neither of which you started, you are shooting a ridiculous 13 of 15 from the field. Whaaaat? That is beyond off-the-charts.

Apparently, all of our collective consternation and angst was misdirected. Instead of blaming you (or Geoff or K-Mart or Kenny or whomever), apparently a big part of the problem was the guy on the bench wearing the suit. It strikes me that your Beno-come-lately Cinderella story adds as much weight as anything to the argument that coaching actually matters. The whole league and everyone associated with it collectively predicted that the Kings would suck, and that we might even challenge for the worst record of all time. And yet here we are playing .500 ball entering December with our best scorer in street clothes. I’m starting to get the impression that this team would have won a lot more games over the past three seasons if the man currently filling out the line-ups had been here that whole time. In case you’ve lost track, the three previous holders of the position are currently out of work, assisting on a 2-and-15 team, and out of work. Oh, and by the way, are you as glad as I am that the Kings didn’t hire Kurt Rambis?

So in closing, I wish to reiterate that although it is still early, and while I reserve the right to call myself a fool later for calling myself a fool now, for the time being, you have humbled your critics and muzzled your hecklers to an extent that few could have imagined even a few short weeks ago. For that, I hope that you will accept my sincerest apologies.

With respect and admiration,

My Losing Season

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Oh, and by the way, are you as glad as I am that the Kings didn’t hire Kurt Rambis?

Every single day, brother. Every single day!

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 30, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

You mean

you wouldn’t want Rambis to implement the triangle even when he doesn’t have the personnel to do it?

You mean you wouldn’t want him to adapt to the talent he has on the floor and play to their strenghts??

You mean you wouldn’t want the coach of a team who is 2-384???

Too bad Mr. Rambis did not “share the vision Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs have.” Thnaks God you don’t and the Kings are better for it, you douchebag.

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by edm7 on Nov 30, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand this comment...

Was Kurt Rambis the coach of the Washington Generals?

(If you are keeping score, that is 2 bona-fide Generals references in 1 day… SUCK IT!!!)

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by tomroadrunner on Nov 30, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Nope it's not any of those things

I just wouldn’t want to have to see this face in all the post game interviews

"Shut up and Coach!"
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by SavageBeast on Nov 30, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow that is an ugly face

Look at those glasses.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That is so funny I started head-butting my laptop

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I second this whole post and the comments.

I am SOOOOOO very glad we did not hire Kurt Rambis.

by mayfieldcol on Nov 30, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

No better time than the present for a Mea Culpa

I completely agree about PW. Either way, I disagree about feeling foolish about saying that Beno has turned the corner for the time being. We have no way of knowing how that will change as time moves forward.

Welcome back MLS, and Rec’d.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

In the spirit...

…I should apologize as well. At the time of his signing, I was probably the captain of the Beno Udrih bandwagon. Since then, his on-court performance (including his tendency to fingerpoint) colored my regard for him.

Pookey’s right, this could change around in the future, but the guy clearly has the talent to be a solid contributor in the NBA. As with many things, it seems that we have to take into account the lack of a decent coaching staff when evaluating individual player performances from the last few seasons.

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by otis29 on Nov 30, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

You mean this bandwagon?

The Beno Udrih Bandwagon – This one has provided a sometimes jerky ride. The biggest problem seems to be that we can’t get it to run consistently. And if it starts cold, it never warms up. This wagon has gotten progressively emptier over the past couple of years, though it has not reached the proportions of the Warriors’ Stepehen Jackson Bandwagon, which has been evacuated and roped off until a hazmat team can arrive.”

Who writes this drivel?

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by section214 on Nov 30, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Some asshole pretending to be a Jew :P

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Its always

The same problem for me w/ Beno. Too much shooting and not enough passing. He fails to get other players involved most of the time and when his shots start to not fall, he just keeps taking them and this never helps other players get into the game. I still dont like Beno and would much rather see Sergio out there.

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by Bambooozled on Dec 1, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

So you wish the Kings had Ricky Rubio huh?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't we have him already?

He wears #10 right?

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No way!

Tyreke is a stud and Beno’s nowhere close to him. Tyreke doesn’t have to pass because he’s so dominant when he drives. Obviously Tyreke could very well be way better than Beno and he’s going to be the kind of player who should shoot as much as possble when close to the basket.

Beno shoots way more than he should. He needs to pay a little more attention to getting other players involved. I’d rather see Sergio play, since he’s showing that he can score in similar ways as Beno (when he’s making the shots) while also getting other players involved when the time comes. It’s just my opinion. I think that Beno tends to shoot the ball one or two too many times when he’s in. And when he’s not scoring his game tends to sink.

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by Bambooozled on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Stats

Evans = 3.3 shots taken per assist rendered, 54% TS%.

Udrih = 2.8 shots taken per assist rendered, 61% TS%.

Rodriguez = 1.8 shots taken per assist rendered, 61% TS%.

It’s too bad that you don’t like Udrih. You’re not giving yourself an opportunity to enjoy a player that’s on a nice little run right now.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn TS% and enlightiment

I hate it when that happens!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

And the significance of that is?

Does that mean Rodriguez or Beno should start and Tyreke should be the third option of the three?

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

No -

The significance is that all three guys are playing well. If Beno is shooting way more than he should (as he was so accused in the post that I was responding to), it would be reflected in his shot to assist ratio. And his TS% helps to identify whether he is a scorer or a chucker.

Beno is playing well right now, and I feel sorry for anyone that dislikes him so much that they can’t recognize that.

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by section214 on Dec 2, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

There's no doubt

That we have a little three-headed monster in the making, and they are three different players who bring a lot to the table in their own way. I hope they all keep playing well and improving.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Cerberus is a little three-headed monster


Yeah, my Photoshop skills suck.

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 2, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh I get your point

You want Tyreke Evans to be Rebecca from Sunnybrook Farm and the Incredible Hulk at the same time. Brilliant. I hope you get your way, but I’m not holding my breath.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 30, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

Yes

thank you Beno. My fantasy team thanks you as well.

by Dub_TC on Nov 30, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

As big of a surprise as Beno & Thomas have been

I’d gladly trade both for another decent center.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 30, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed to a point.

But now it’s time we start namin’ names instead of just yearning for that mythical beast called a ‘decent center’.

A while back a few of us were thinking of young cats that still needed to be developed like Javal McGee and DeAndre Jordan. Who are you thinking of that would actually be affordable, filled with potential and young?

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by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The two that you listed would be at the top of my list

But, I wasn’t thinking of anyone in particular. How could I , since I have no way of knowing what any of the GM’s would be willing to give up for a backup combo guard and an expiring contract.

My point is that Beno is a backup unless the Kings decide to move Evans to the 2. As a backup PG he’s less of a playmaking PG than Sergio and less of a scoring PG than Tyreke. As such, he is expendable.

It is possible for the Kings to keep 3 PG’s, or 4 guard total with Martin. But, with Martin’s return the PT will be very limited. And, rather than have 2 good backups fighting for limited minutes, I’d rather see one of them moved to upgrade the talent at another position. Besides with Omri and Donte able to play some 2, we have enough talent in the backcourt.

Beno’s near perfect shooting won’t continue, and his ballhandling and passing have never been stellar. Right now he’s filling the void left by Martin, and doing it exceptionally well. But, a month from now he’ll be back on the bench. And, we need to sell when the value is high.

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by HighTops on Nov 30, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

He's moving up

my ‘most likely to go’ list – but just because the way he’s playing he’s really improving his market value.
I think unless the deal is great though, we keep him, as there’s no guarantee that we can keep Sergio after the season. Its so early, but I think that a choice might have to wait until next summer.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Because last years draft was the draft of the PG

I’m not sure anyone has a desperate need for a PG. At least not desperate enough to give up a valueable big.

So, the question becomes, if we pick up a center in the draft, what do we ask in return for Beno? It’s unlikely we trade him for another guard. And, we’re deep at SF’s. We wouldn’t get a starter. So, picks & expiring? And, if we don’t trade K9 by the trade deadline, is his expiring contract enough to add a quality FA without getting a expiring for Beno?

Unless we can trade Beno for picks & expiring this year, I don’t see any benefit to trading him next summer. My best guess is we hang on to him another year, unless some injury causes another team to come begging.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 30, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Last year was a PG draft

and this year’s, with one exception doesn’t sem to be at all. Thats what I fully expect, a contender who can’t wait to come calling. But will GP answer the phone? Unless he’s locked up in an extension, something not likely to happen unless a Beno deal IS on the table, next year will likely be Tyreke and Beno.
If we suddenly hear about a Sergio extension I almost guarantee it will be shortly followed by a Beno trade thats all but done.
Now, how about Sergio for one of those young bigs like McGee (just an example).

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

I think it might be that PW would like to keep Tyreke, Beno, and Sergio. If we could swing it financially it would be great cause they each offer something uniquely different at PG.

I don’t think that there is an overlapping skill set among the three and by getting rid of one that takes a type of talent away from the team. Seems that PW may be enjoying the options he has at PG right now. He can put in a lot of different looks.

I do know that it is fun to watch!

by MustangMBS on Nov 30, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that its a Blast to watch

and seems pretty relentless to other teams(?). I think your comment about ‘a lot of different looks’ is right and just possibly we could set a trend. But I just don’t think Sergio stays unless Beno goes, assuming thier continued good play. Minutes will get more scarce once KM and/or Cisco get back and players want to play.
Can we afford to sign Sergio to an extension with Beno still here? I just don’t know.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

If he continues to play like this, we have to

We’re just not going to let him walk away, and get nothing in return.

Beno is providing clutch scoring which Martin can provide on his return. Beno’s ballhandling and playmaking isn’t much better than Tyreke’s and we know he isn’t going to replace Tyreke.

Sergio offers something different. He’s the excitement that JWill brought with the playmaking we wanted from RR. Until Tyreke gets experience at the point, we keep Beno & Sergio. Baring some deal we can’t refuse.

The 3 guard lineup of Sergio, Tyreke & Martin or Beno, Tyreke & Martin has some awesome offensive potential.

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by HighTops on Nov 30, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, There's a ton of teams

I think you can beat with 3 guards a SF and a C or PF.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

And Donte is someone you can insert in there

that can guard some of the weaker PFs.

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by Aykis16 on Nov 30, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree HT

and I suggested something similr before. I think what Sergio brings to the table, and of course gotta wait for that consistency, is much more unique than what Beno brings. I don’t see anyone else on this Kings roster being able to duplicate El Mago’s skills. I do see Cisco, Kevin, and Omri being able to make up for what Beno has.

I know it’s weird to talk about trading Beno when he’s playing so well but it’s just a matter of making the team better and his value is going up. For now, there’s nothing to worry about but I’m sure we’ll restart this debate in the future. Maybe even as early as by the trade deadline

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by edm7 on Nov 30, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing that Beno brings

is he can create his own shot when closely guarded. Both Martin and Garcia are better as spot up shooters or, in Kmart’s case, getting help in the form of a pick or having an opponent who is moving towards him rather than already on him.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

And inevitably

The Kings keep Beno because no team is clamoring to take Beno with that long term contract, and the Kings let Sergio walk and don’t even offer him the Qualifying Offer so they can match any contract he gets from NBA teams.

I love being buzzkill. :)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't expect any less from the worst GM in the league

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by edm7 on Nov 30, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm the best at sucking there is :)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Good points all

LTTG, I know you are not big on Sergio so it is good to see you appreciate his game. I must say I have not liked Beno that much, sorry Beno, and that I did him a disservice as it was the lack of coaching and play calling, not him. Liking him now.

It is true HT, Tyreke needs the experience and both Sergio and Beno are needed right now. Sergio’s high octane speed and Beno’s clutch shots are producing wins.

Ed, I competely agree that Beno is the least unique and most easily replaced by both KMart’s shooting and the strengths of others, but his top of the key screened, mid range shot is something of a specialty with no perfect replacement.

Pookey, there is no clamoring, but the better he does the more marketable he becomes, especially to a playoff bound team who needs depth. Also, Sergio is pretty unique and delivers what Rubio only might so you should love that… Also, just TMI on your sucking tendencies. The image of an armor clad pookey committing such acts is just too much ;)

by MustangMBS on Nov 30, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That mid range Jumper

The 12-16 foot pull-up shot is way underrated. Not many guys do it well, no one else on the kings, and very few anywhere. So Its hard to defend as it occurs in that (no-man’s land) area where perimeter players are being handed off to interior defenders – and its therefore very successful.

Its one of those ‘different looks’ that keep defenses off balance.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Shot locations

It is kind of odd that you have three guys that have such clearly defined and different shot locations on the floor.

- Martin from outside
- Beno from mid-range
- Evans from the paint

Not that they can’t all make shots from elsewhere, but their bread and gravy are these spots.

You got them all on the floor and you cover everything, but with just Beno and Evans you also need to have either Noc or Omri shooting 3s or else teams just close down on the mid-range and paint. Especially given Thompson playing close in.

That is what Chicago did to us. They really had us shutdown offensively because their scouting was truly excellent. They just shutdown the mid-range and paint with their players who could rotate the double teams off of either Beno, Evans, and Thompson because they were all within 6-8 feet apart.

Sergio broke this up and has been the wild card in terms of other teams preparing for the Kings. They clearly have Evans and Thompson scoped out and are playing accordingly. At this point it really is now how to make them pay for their focus and until they catch up, in their scouting, on Omri and Sergio we should be OK.

We need more outside shooting. Too bad Spence hasn’t been able to do that. Noc has been a bit hit and miss, but enough are falling. Martin coming back should open up things more with his outside shot giving both Beno and Evans more room.

by MustangMBS on Dec 1, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We're ranked 5th in % from 3

I don’t know about quantity but that will change when Martin/Cisco are back in.
Doesn’t help us this month though – and yes, what Chicago did should be the blueprint. I think it is actually, NewOrl was desperately trying to get JT in foul trouble which is a big key to beating us.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

It is a consistent pattern. If they can double enough in close our inside game goes nowhere and it really shuts down or at least reduces our offensive abilities. Other teams are definitely doing the same thing.

The new one I saw last game that adds a new wrinkle is that they now pressure the ball coming up court all the way. We are so slow getting into the offense that the plan is to make this even worse and make us only have a few seconds of scoring opportunities. It worked to a degree…

Other teams are definitely scouting us out, but a lot of it isn’t working, the hack-a-jew for instance. It is going to be interesting to watch how PW responds strategically.

by MustangMBS on Dec 1, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of JT

has anyone noticed a change in his inside game this season.

Last year 54% of his shots came from inside. 18% from close, 18% from tips and 18% from dunks. This year, so far, 56% came from inside, but 40% came from close, only 11% came from tips, and only 5% came from dunks. And, this comes along with an increase in Offensive boards from 2.9 last season to 3.9 this season.

My Best Guess, is that the difference is cause by 3 changes on the team. 1) not playing along side Spencer as much. Allowing team to concentrate more on blocking out Jason. So, he gets fewer tips. 2) Tyreke starting at PG. Tyreke is more likely to try and finish at the basket, than setting up the bigs for a dunk. and 3) Jason’s offseason work to improve his inside game. Better left hand and hooks, allow him to score easier in close.

Whatever the reason, his rebounds both offensive & defensive, are up, as is his scoring. He’s becoming more of a go to guy, than just the hussle guy he was last year. And, I like it.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

JT finished really well in the Hornets game

That was something I noticed even though I think many of his shots were not hotly contested. Still, I like that he puts the gimme’s in. I can live with a few missed contested shots every now & again.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Earlier in the year

We got used to JT at his best, and when he slumped a bit, we didn’t really have other players stepping up during the losing streak.

But that is starting to change as Westphal spreads out the playing time and develops the whole squad. That gives us a lot of different offensive looks and contributors and makes it tough to shut us down for extended periods.

It must really be a bitch when you put together a game plan predicated on shutting down JT and Tyreke, and instead guys like Sergio and Casspi start taking over the game.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

JT had 24 & 14 in the win over the Hornets

He was easily more instrumental in the victory than Omri Casspi was. But, you’re right in a way that it’s nice to have the bench players step up and produce when called upon. It’s a nice problem to have if it keeps up.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

No doubt JT played well

But my point is the team isn’t relying on him or else. And that spreading the ball around is probably taking a lot of pressure off of him and letting him score without HAVING to score.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree as well, but

I must say that JT didn’t so much as slump as he was just getting doubled for the first few times and had to adjust.

by MustangMBS on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont' think he was playing well as a result of the doubles

Also, Nawlinz really didn’t double him that much either.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine

I still stand by the points raised in that thread at the time they were made, and the game after that was probably his worst of the year. The best thing is JT has cut back on the whining. It’s still there, but more muted.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

For the use of “bread and gravy”. Me likey very much.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure we need more outside shooting

At times we may benefit from taking more outside shots when they are given to us, because we have a lot of good shooters. As mentioned previously, we have a good three-point shooting team but haven’t been taking that many threes until recently. We also tend to pass up the open shot sometimes and turn it into a turnover, three-second call or shot clock violation.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point about passing up quality shots

That’s something JT has to learn (which he will) if he wants to be more consistent offensively.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

JT did come to mind

He’s been passing up 18 footers. If he’s more comfortable shooting 16-17 footers, that’s where he needs to stand.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh.

Not sure what the fix to that is to be truthful.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

JR actually called him out on it

On the post game interview against NOLA. JT passed up an open shot and I think turned it over smetime in the 4th. Jerry brought it up and told him not to pass it up next time that he can hit that shot. JT agreed and said next time he hits it he’ll be looking for Jerry to point at him.

Watch for that that next game.

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by edm7 on Dec 1, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw that

And I hope to see that more often with JT. (I wonder if that’s an advantage of having a front office person doing analyst work on the TV side.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I always wonder if JR does that often

Go up to a player when he sees them around and gives them advice. I’m sure he doesn’t want to step on anyone’s toes but he has a lot of good things to tell these young players

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by edm7 on Dec 1, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure

That if you have more outside offensive threats the other team can’t just fill up the paint on JT and Evans.

We need to punish other teams for doing just that and that ways to do that is have KMart and others hitting from the outside.

by MustangMBS on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe your wrong about the Qualifying Offer

This is from Coon’s FAQ

In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player by June 30. This prevents the team from not offering a contract and waiting to swoop in when the player tries to sign elsewhere. The qualifying offer ensures that the team does not gain the right of first refusal without also offering a contract themselves.

If the Kings don’t make the Offer then they lose the right of first refusal. Besides $2.8M is a reasonable price for a backup PG.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

We traded Bibby to get out of his contract

And thought that Beno was a cheap replacement. Now, Beno is owed $20.8M the last 3 yrs of his contract, and Bibby is own $18M for the last 3 years of his contract.

Bibby is playing 30mpg and averaging 10.8ppg, 3 rpg & 4.2 apg. And, Beno is playing 31mpg and averaging 14.2ppg, 2 rpg and 3.9apg.

So, based on equal performances, if a team like ATL is will to give on older Bibby $18M for 3 year, there is probably other teams that would be willing to give Beno his $20M. GP though he was worth it and he’s a pretty smart guy.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a big difference

between a guy that is a journeyman, that was almost out of the NBA several times, and Bibby who has legit playoff leadership experience and reputation for making shots that matter in big moments.

Whether or not Bibby deserves it , I have to think the Hawks would be more comfortable going into a playoff series with Bibby over Beno, who’s never played a meaningful number of minutes in games that matter.

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by ForThree on Dec 1, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree about the Hawks being more comfortable with Bibby

Plus the investment was about as low cost as it gets for a high money player like Bibby was (at the time). Shelden Williams, Tyronn Lue, Lorenzen Wright and Anthony Johnson for Bibby?

Billy Knight/Rick Sund does that deal every time because the Hawks did benefit from Bibby’s “something”, or whatever you wish to call it, down the stretch of the 07-08 season. Plus, the team improved with Bibby this past season as well.

I don’t think Geoff Petrie has ever regretted doing the deal. Bibby was the same player in Sac that he’s been in Atl? What’s the difference? Atl has had better players.

Now, as far as Beno I disagree he has real trade value because of the length of his contract combined with the money. If he expired in 2011, I’d agree wholeheartedly. But Beno’s play has been too up & down for any team to be really willing to roll the dice and give up an expiring contract in the process to acquire him. Expiring contracts don’t often get traded (unless Superstar’s are involved—usually that’s when expiring contracts are ALWAYS involved) for players of Beno’s caliber. I think folks here think that Beno’s recent play is an opportunity to move him, but if you were a NBA team like the Knicks would you want to tie up 3 years beyond this season to Beno if he doesn’t play well beyond this season?

My thinking is the Knicks might be the one team in the NBA that might take Beno, but I doubt it. Especially with Toney Douglas as a young player they think highly of (they gave 3 million to the Lakers for that pick for those that don’t remember).

I think of all players that end up getting moved, it will be Noc & Cisco (in that order) between the 2010 & 2011 trade deadlines. Unless something drastically changes with the current talent on the roster, and it may, I think that’s the best bet to see a player moved for an expiring deal in 2010 or 2011.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

By Journeyman, I assume you mean long of tooth

and experienced player, who knows his game and plays within his limits. This holds no real advantage over a younger player who is continueing to improve, IMHO.

Bibby has been on the decline for 3 years. HIs scoring has been below his career average for those 3 years. While Beno has been improving over the same period.

As Pookey has pointed out, GP didn’t ask for much in return for Bibby. And, even though the move was a salary dump, GP was willing to sign Beno to his existing contract. So, I guess our disagreement hinges on whether GP was wrong about Beno’s contract, in which case you win. Or, GP was correct and I win.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

No, our discussion has nothing to do with Beno's contract

other than within reason its equal to Bibby’s.

Your argument is Beno’s contract essentially equals Bibby’s contract, and given Bibby’s contract was signed this summer, and Beno’s statistics are as good as or better than Bibby’s, Beno’s contract might be seen as reasonable by another team.

My issue with that argument is Bibby’s value has very little to do with statistics. Bibby has value because he has proven playoff performance and a reputation for making big shots. Beno has very good statistics for one month on an at best average team, and one reasonable season for a bad team (throwing out last year). Beno has never played meaningful minutes in the playoffs.

An NBA GM looking to add a piece to a playoff team, is not going to look at Beno’s resume and Bibby’s resume and pick Beno, its not even close.

Bibby still makes good money because of his intangibles, which Beno has not really had an opportunity to prove he does or doesn’t have; but those intangibles are valuable to most GMs.

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by ForThree on Dec 1, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think GM's like track record's

Because they feel most coaching staff’s come playoff team have to prepare their team for the possibility of a player like Bibby doing the intangible things. Even if they’re overrated, a lot of teams place a ton of impetus on them either way.

Rec’d 4-3.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

come playoff time^

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe your right

I don’t know because no GM has ever explained their thought process to me. And, I’m a more “What have you done for me lately?”, kind of guy.

But, just based on all the bad contracts out their and how many get traded every year, I’ll guess that there’s some GM willing to take Beno if the conditions are right.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell me which GM

Because frankly, I don’t know which one would agree with that.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Randolph's contract expires in 2011

And I was shocked as hell Memphis (of all teams) made the decision to take him on.

But, again, if you want to come up with a scenario that you see Beno being moved so the Kings can commit a future to Sergio, go for it. I just don’t see it happening myself, and I never have.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

If Bibby was on the Kings

He’d need to be scoring more than he does on the Hawks. For Atlanta he just basically has to fit in with Joe Johnson and Crawford and do the other things. He only really needs to score when he has the open shot or other guys aren’t getting the job done.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

If Bibby was on the Kings

They’d suck more than they do now.

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by My Losing Season on Dec 1, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank God somebody said it!

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He'd be a square peg

in a round hole.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

He'd be a shit peg in an above average hole

IMO.

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by My Losing Season on Dec 1, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

You're not a Bibby fan are you? LOL

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I probably feel how you feel

I don’t hate the man. He was very important to the glory years teams, no doubt about it. But the unathletic, leadership-deficient, substandard defender experiment just didn’t work (see also: Miller, Brad; Stojakovic, Peja). I am soooo glad to be rid of those guys.

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by My Losing Season on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, didn't work at all

It was just the golden age of Sacramento Kings basketball.

It’s too bad that some of us only remember these guys when they departed, and not as they were in their prime – Peja killing it from 3, Brad playing as well as Vlade, game 5 Mike Bibby.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The last year Bibby/Peja/Miller were together

That team won 50 games. And that was the year Webber got traded and Miller broke his leg 2 games after Webber was traded.

It’s a bit difficult to say how the glory years would have happened if things worked out differently. Plus, Peja could play on the ball defense in his prime. Bibby really couldn’t,but Miller at one point tried defensively too. It’s just that by last season B52 had completely quit on the team. I’m so thrilled Miller is in Chicago.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The last full year (what I meant)^

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Right -

You were referencing the 1st part of my 2nd paragraph, while I am more focused on the 2nd part of the paragraph. If we are each happy with our chosen focus, then I suppose there are no worries.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

My point was simply

That Bibby is the last person this roster needs right now (unless you want to count Brad Miller and Peja Stojakovic). I know coolcat was not advocating any such thing, but the mere mention of his name makes me realize how glad I am that this franchise has finally moved on from the post-glory year decline period, of which Bibby and Miller and Peja are emblematic. I appreciate as much as anyone what Bibby and Peja meant when Webber was healthy and Vlade and Doug were still here. And Miller was brilliant in 03-04 with those guys. But we are finally, FINALLY past that and into a whole new era, and I am absolutely thrilled.

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With

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by section214 on Dec 2, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a shame.

I really like having both Sergio and Beno on the bench. It’s amazing how they both bring entirely different but awesome skill sets to the table.

I hope we don’t trade either of them off until March. I think that’s about the time when the offense gets comfortable with Kevin back. I’m still dreading the day we have to truly evaluate the ‘Can Kev and ’Reke co-exist in the backcourt’ question. Damn it, if Monta and Stephen can do it, so can Kev’reke (wait, did I just do a ‘Brangelina’ on Kevin and ’Reke? I did).

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by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

The trade deadline is on Feb 18th

You can’t trade a player after the trade deadline until the season is completely over. And in Sergio’s case once the trade deadline’s passes you can’t trade him because he has an expiring contract. (Read the link if that confuses you.)

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by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

If Philly is so desperate that they're considering the return of AI

would they be interested in Beno for Jason Kapono (expiring) and maybe a draft pick? I know Kapono does nothing for the Kings, but the extra immediate cap room would be nice…

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by sroufe on Nov 30, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Or dare I say deal with the Lakers?

Beno for Adam Morrison and a first rounder?

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by sroufe on Nov 30, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Just going off this quote from HT:
Beno’s near perfect shooting won’t continue, and his ballhandling and passing have never been stellar. Right now he’s filling the void left by Martin, and doing it exceptionally well. But, a month from now he’ll be back on the bench. And, we need to sell when the value is high.

Morrison’s contract is valuable and if you were to throw in a late-first rounder (i.e. Donte Greene) it might be worth it. Just putting it out there…;)

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by sroufe on Dec 1, 2009 2:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure you can get a lot of value

Considering his contract.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2009 5:44 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

Beno making a handful of shots in the fourth quarter of games in November doesn’t make him tradable. I love all the shots he’s made too, he’s playing really well, but he’s still not worth expirings today, let alone getting something of value back.

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by ForThree on Dec 1, 2009 6:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree to a point

But one has to appreciate just how good Udrih has been. There are currently only 8 PG’s in the league that are logging 30+ minutes a game with a better PER than Udrih.

While one month is indeed too short of a time for him to vastly pump up his trade value, he has certainly become a guy that other teams could look at for a boost, especially when you consider how effective he has been off the bench recently.

I agree that he does not yet have value in excess of his contract. But the fact that we can even entertain the notion compared to where we were a month ago is pretty amazing.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I would think D'antoni would want one or the other

but probably Sergio ($)
As much as I’m loving the way Beno is playing, and as underrated as I think that mid-range jumper is to mix up defenses, I guess that I think (know) that Sergio is a better change of pace compared to Reke.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

that makes sense

he has been really good for the past week or two especially. $6.5-$7.0 mil a year is a lot of money though unfortunately.

I’m just shocked I actually enjoy seeing Beno play now, I wouldn’t have guessed that was possible based on last year. I think we have to expect a dropoff, because I just don’t think 54% FGs and making every clutch shot are sustainable, but you’re right, that we are even considering Beno could be worth his contract is light years of progress.

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by ForThree on Dec 1, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

50%

Might be sustainable. He always open on that shot of his as its pretty unique. Hmmmm

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

passes lltg the koolaid

its mmm, mmm good.

;)

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by ForThree on Dec 1, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Beno aver FG% the prior 2 seasons was 46%

playing with a team that was poorly coached and greatly less talented. And, even tho there is a perception that last year was a terrible year for Beno, the stats don’t agree with that perception.

Only his 3pt shooting percentage was decidedly worse. He’s ppg we’re down 2pts over the prior year, but his assist’s were up. So far, this season, his numbers are exceptional FG% 54%, 3P$ 44%, 3.9apg, 1.9to’s, and a career high 14.2ppg.

Maybe his improvement is an anomoly. But, I attribute it to skill, good coaching and better teammates. And, therefore, I see no reason why his performance shouldn’t continue or continue on another team.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

The middle ground sounds about right then to me

Thanks HT

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you in a lot of ways

and actually, there is every reason to believe this year could be Beno’s career year, so Beno’s numbers could be the best he’ll ever have.

But 54% is ridiculous for a guard that shoots 3 pointers regularly. Chris Mullin is the only guy with a game even remotely similar to Beno’s I could find and he topped out at 55% one year.

Could Beno shoot 50% for a season? I’d say its not outside the realm of possibility, but I’d be surprised.

I totally agree with you Beno has a lot going for him this year though, and there’s reason to believe he’s going to have a good year based on what we’ve seen so far.

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by ForThree on Dec 1, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with having good backups

Particularly since injuries happen. You move one of the guys, one or two guys gets hurt and suddenly you are screwed.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

It's pretty simple at this point

Even though fans would prefer Sergio (for the obvious reasons), the reality is that Sergio is cheap (as in the Kings didn’t pay his salary—Paul Allen did) for this season and beyond this season they’d have to pay him. There are cheaper options for a 3rd PG. I’m very positive the Kings will let Sergio walk for free because the alternative is way too expensive and not really what I think people would want. There isn’t a S&T out there that would really net the Kings a more valuable talent for Sergio than what they already have on their roster.

The worst case scenario with Beno is his contract expires before a new Tyreke Evans extension kicks in. That’s why people need to relax some about that.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

While there may be cheaper options

They may not be better options. Sergio might not cost us that much to resign due to the glut of PGs in the league and the changing economics of the game. Plus the Kings are doing a good job of duplicating versatility, and I think at some point you have to keep a core group of guys and build on that.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes that

But I don’t think the Kings had any intention, other than to give Sergio minutes this season, to keep him long term. And, long term, I’m not sure there’s a reason to keep Sergio even if he’s playing well.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

A good example is the Knicks

Let’s say the Knicks decide they need anothe PG and try to acquire Sergio. The Kings say, you want Sergio you take Noc with you. The Knicks say sure, okay, we’ll do that. The Knicks trade Jared Jeffries and a trade exception they have (which would cover Sergio’s salary) and that’s how you get a deal done.

Just one example in this instance.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I'd rather have Noc and Sergio

Now whether GP agrees and whether such offers actually materialize is another thing.

This offseason was very un-Petrie like. He might want to drive the cars he has now for a while.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not about talent

It’s about money. Jeffries has less talent than Noc, but his contract expires in 2011. That’s the reason for doing the deal.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It's about building a winning team

At some point you keep the pieces that fit. If you cut a roster with 11 contributors down to 8-9 plus roster filler that you really don’t want to play (Jeffries) and 2-3 guys get hurt, suddenly that filler is stinking up the floor.

Jeffries would be battling May for the last roster spot on our current team.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

IT'S NOT ABOUT TALENT

IT’S ABOUT MONEY. What don’t you understand about that statement?

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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't do that deal

Sergio and Noce just to lose 1 yr of Noce $$?
No way Jose.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

You're not paying Noc's salary

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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 3, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You lost me there
And, long term, I’m not sure there’s a reason to keep Sergio even if he’s playing well.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The Kings got Sergio for free

With Beno Udrih and Tyreke Evans (who they were going to draft), I don’t think Sergio ever was expected to fit in long term here. I don’t think anyone minds if he plays well because that means players on short contracts may be more likely to be productive here, but I also don’t think it means the Kings will do everything in their power to move Beno either.

If another team wants Beno and is willing to give the Kings the financial relief, than that may change. Until that happens, what I’ve said stands.

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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

There seems to be one falacy to your logic

If the Kings didn’t want Sergio, why would they trade down in the draft even if he was free (Por paid his salary)?

In the 4th quarter of the NOH game, the Hornets closed to within 3 pts. PW went with a conventional lineup. Sergio at PG, Tyreke at SG, Omri at SF, Brockman at PF, and JT at Center. That lineup played all the way up to 1:45 of the 4th and outscored the Hornets 26-13. With the game in hand, PW pulled Brockman and reentered Beno. And, they finished off the game.

Whatever the plans were predraft, PW may have a different plan now. With Tyreke still learning to create for his teammates and perfect his jumper, I feel that PW has confidence in Sergio’s abilitys and will want him around for the duration.

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by HighTops on Dec 2, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Going from 31 & 38 is not a calamity

It was the cash that the Kings got in the deal (2.9 million to be exact) that paid for Sergio’s salary. It also paid for Omri/Donte/Jon Brockman as well.

Because Sergio doesn’t have a long term contract, there was very little way that Geoff Petrie and/or the Maloof’s would have a lot of enthusiasm in keeping him. You don’t seem to agree with that reality, which is your right, but I think you’ll find that economic realities will make the decision on Sergio. He was always going to be a one year rental no matter what happened.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess we'll find out by June 30th

I believe we’ve had this discussion before. But I don’t remember you saying

the deal (2.9 million to be exact) that paid for Sergio’s salary. It also paid for Omri/Donte/Jon Brockman as well.

I’m guessing your saying Sergio & one of the other 3 players salary because Sergio makes almost $1.9M himself.

My contention has always been that since 2nd rounders don’t have rookie scale salaries and they’re not guaranteed, the Kings could have gotten a very good deal for the 31st pick in the draft. A deal that they might be willing to pay, if a quality player was available. No matter what the financial state of the team might have been. As it turned out Pendergraph signed for $458K.

The only way I can see your point is, if GP never expected to sign the 2nd rounder. And, the deal was intented to fill a roster spot and $1M to the Maloofs pocket. But, I don’t believe that. GP needed to fill a minumum of 3 roster spots, and the team needed help on the front line. I truely believe that GP & the Maloofs were more interested in improving the team, than pocketing the cash. Call me a dreamer.

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by HighTops on Dec 2, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a two-edged sword
I truly believe that GP & the Maloofs were more interested in improving the team, than pocketing the cash. Call me a dreamer.

They are interested in balancing both aspects. They had already shed most of the bad contracts or at least enough of them by the time the draft rolled around. They are going to improve the team, but there going to rely on the players they have, the draft and any “deals” (less than $3 million) that may come along.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I've said that about the Sergio deal many times

You just weren’t paying attention or didn’t read what I wrote. I said that on that day, I said it the day afterwards, and I’ve said it since.


My contention has always been that since 2nd rounders don’t have rookie scale salaries and they’re not guaranteed, the Kings could have gotten a very good deal for the 31st pick in the draft.
So you don’t think getting 2.9 million in cash is a good deal huh? Didn’t realize you knew that much about personnel decisions.

I’m tired of this. You two both want to argue a hollow, and ultimately purposeless point, to satsify yourselves (or something). I’m not going to bother with it anymore. The deal with Sergio was about money.

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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah cause

Maynor>Spanish Chocolate

by MustangMBS on Dec 2, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not debating

the workings of the Sergio deal. You can dwell in the past all you want. Now let’s look to the future.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not dwelling on the past

I’m pointing out that Sergio has no real future based on the transaction, and payment in future, that the team would have to undergo in order to retain his services.

It’s just that simple. You want cheap players, and so does every other NBA team. Yet, you seem to think there is some magical team out there that will take Beno. Pick a team, pick players that will come in return, I’ll laugh at you for your lack of knowledge, and everybody is happy. The end.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong ... again
Yet, you seem to think there is some magical team out there that will take Beno. etc. etc.

Again you are putting words in my mouth. I believe we should keep them both if they continue playing like they have. Beno we may not be able to move anyway unless a rich team like Orlando needs a PG at some point, but I don’t think Sergio is going to be that costly to resign. That’s the real argument: Sergio’s cost beyond this season.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree the argument is about beyond this season with Sergio

My argument is simply this: If Sergio costs you 1.5 mil for 3 seasons, than why not? But why would Sergio re-sign for that? He probably could make more in Spain.

On the other hand, cheap players are not uncommon, and if you can’t find cheap fill in talent at the end of your bench in this league, you’re doing a poor job of scouting.

You’re right; we’ll see how this turns out. My guess is that the Kings will look for a cheaper option than Sergio and renounce him to let him walk.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Question
My argument is simply this: If Sergio costs you 1.5 mil for 3 seasons, then why not?

Are you saying $1.5 mil per season for 3 seasons, or $1.5 mil total for three seasons ($450k a year)?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 3, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

1.5 million per season

Should have clarified that. Sorry.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 3, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Lots of hitting and missing though
On the other hand, cheap players are not uncommon, and if you can’t find cheap fill in talent at the end of your bench in this league, you’re doing a poor job of scouting.

We saw too much of that last year with the Will Solomons of the world. You can’t compete with those guys playing serious minutes.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 3, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

This is not last year

And when you have a talent like Tyreke Evans it’s not that hard. The Kings did it in the better years of this franchise. Since the same people are running the team, and a quality coaching staff is around, can we agree that the Kings could approach it this way?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 3, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I started to respond

But it got too lengthy. I think I will let this conversation brew a bit and re-emerge in a more current discussion or fan post.

Short answer: I agree there are always going to be roster moves from year to year. More later.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 3, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

This is a conversation worthy of separated long term thought

This comment thread is not good enough for us to suss it out.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 3, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

See below

But I think they got Sergio in case Beno decided to keep playing like he did last year. And both have been surprises. Sergio is just a lot cheaper, so if anyone is headed out, it would be Beno if there are takers.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

And what makes you think there is a real trade market for Beno?

I realize that Sergio has value right now, but jeesh! Unless there is some one who really wants (especially in this economic climate) who really wants a guy getting paid 3 years & 20 million dollars the next 3 seasons BEYOND THIS SEASON, I doubt you’re going to see Beno moved.

If you want to create a scenario where you think moving Beno is plausible, then I suggest you do so before you continue with this line of argument. The only player that I think has any real trade value (that the Kings would be willing to trade) is Kenny Thomas, and that’s because he has an expiring contract. Even then, there aren’t any teams that would give an All-Star back with a short contract for Kenny Thomas alone.

If you want to believe the Kings can trade Beno Udrih, fine go for it. But I suggest you understand the NBA trade market better than you currently do before you suggest that Sergio Rodriguez is going to stay beyond this season in the last year of his contract.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Reading Comprehension
Sergio is just a lot cheaper, so if anyone is headed out, it would be Beno if there are takers.

Note the qualifying phrase: “if there any takers.”

I suggest you enjoy the team that is developing before your eyes before you try to break it up.

You might also take a closer look at those empty arenas if you don’t think the economics of the game are changing and that we will have to overpay to retain Sergio’s services.

In the meantime, Sergio still has a lot to prove. You know, small sample size and all that.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 2, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't get it

More importantly you don’t want to, and I gonna kill myself trying to get you to understand the point. Forget it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll apologize

If Beno’s numbers and effort are the same or similar by the All Star break. I’m not sold based on 16 good games.

by Carl on Nov 30, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

He's sold me

Oh the numbers may/will go down some but I have been agitating for a post like this for several weeks.

I should have done it myself – but then it wouldn’t have been as good.

Rec’d

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

For myself,

its not necessarily about the numbers, it’s about WHEN he scores. In about 4 of 5 close games Beno was our only reliable scorer with a consistent go-to move (stop n’ pop at the free throw line) that we needed to keep our lead or at least tie the ball game. Without his semi-clutch performances, we probably would have lossed those games.

I agree that in a 3 months, he might not have as fancy numbers but I do think he’ll still be one of our more reliable scorers in the 3rd and 4th quarters when our games are tight.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I’ve been saying for weeks that he has been clutch shots and clutch plays in most of our wins.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Fer sure.

Beno’s been clutch…and I’m thankful for his shots in the middle of the 4th quarter that prevented the Kings from needing super-clutch shots at the END of the 4th quarter. That says a lot about our quality wins. We’ve definitely and soundly defeated the squads that have come here.

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by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If the effort stays I'll be happy

it seems as if he actually gives a fuck this year. Which is surprising since we were supposed to be a losing team and he’s in the middle of his contract; two things we’d have all thought would keep him from playing like this.

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by vfettke on Nov 30, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, Mr. Wabeno. Very sorry.

We are all humbled and muzzled. The Kings aren’t .500 without you, sir.

BTW – The Kings would be a lock for the 5th seed in the playoffs if Cool Hand Westphal was our coach for the past 3 seasons.

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by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

Seriously

can you imagine if he’d had a talent like Artest in his prime?

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by vfettke on Nov 30, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm glad things happened the way they did

We would have been a borderline playoff team for a couple more years, but it would have just delayed the inevitable rebuilding/salary dump.

by markdog333 on Nov 30, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Very true

Although its entirely possible Artest would’ve been traded anyway, him being insane and all. Plus, even without that 2008 lottery pick we still probably would’ve nabbed JT late in the first round

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by vfettke on Nov 30, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course

if you asked my that last year, I probably would have cut off my pinky toe for a team that would just compete.

by markdog333 on Nov 30, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

The Warriors also were interested in JT reportedly V

I wouldn’t necessarily think if I were you.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Take that with a grain of salt

1. It’s the fucking Warriors, they’re like the Ron Artest of NBA franchises
2. Would they have really taken JT that high with Anthony Randolph still there? Waitaminute…

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by vfettke on Nov 30, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget,

Our poor record secured us Tyreke.

 In addition, everyone bought into the system because it was just so bad prior to PW. Had PW been here earlier our team would look different and you might not have the total buy in from the players.

What “ifs”

by nothingbutnet on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Westphal might have tosse din the towel

If he had to deal with head cases like Brad.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Minor editing for language? Where?

Oh…there.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Nov 30, 2009 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

I won't win any recs for this but

I always thought the board had too much of a mob mentality. Once a player gets on the bad side of a few it only snowballs. I never agreed with the throw Beno under the bus stuff.

by KingsFan on Nov 30, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

I think the board as a whole

And most fan boards for that matter can tolerate a lot before turning on a player. But Beno displayed a lot of poor leadership qualities, and it seemed he was always pointing the finger at someone. IMO, that played a big role in the perception of him here.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Nov 30, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

This may be slightly true

but Beno was crap last year. He earned the MLE and then seemed like he didn’t give a damn. And it was painfully obvious that he didn’t care. However, it seems understandable now. The coaching was horrible. There was no gameplan or system to speak of. So of course he stopped caring. However, a big part of last year’s problems was the “fuck it” attitude of the whole team and I think Beno was the figurehead of that attitude, especially after Miller and Salmons were traded. Had we seen this year’s attitude last year it would’ve been a different story. This year’s team never gives up, even when it plays like crap or loses. This year’s team looks like a team that enjoys each other, not just a group of guys that work together. Had the effort and attitude been there with Beno last year, even without the solid performance, no one would’ve turned on him.

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by vfettke on Nov 30, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it was attitude

so much last year as the horrendous coaching and serious lack of talent. Until Brad and John were traded last year, it was Kevin Martin, young talent, and some decent complimentary pieces (on a playoff contender). I did not think it could turn around this quickly, but who would have thought at the beginning of the season that we would have three awesome rookies contributing every game and helping change the team mentality. A rejuvenated Donte, Shock and Hawes experience, a fantastic trade for Spanish Chocolate, a K9 reclamation project later, and we are all of a sudden competitive.

I was one of a few that was not ready to give up on Beno. Like Section said, he needs to be more consistent but he has the tools to be a great guard whether that be at the 1 or 2 or both. Keep up the tremendous work Beno!

by gtrman1973 on Nov 30, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Beno had some interviews where he said his role wasn't defined by previous coaches.

While I’m also willing to say that it may be a Beno problem rather than a MusselNattTheus problem, his recent performance under PW seem to idnicate to the contrary.

Seems like Beno is a good player when playing under a good system.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Dec 1, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny how that works isn't it Noce?

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Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Natt came in and completely took the ball out of Beno's hands

first he benched Beno, and then we he finally allowed him to play, he wouldn’t let Beno create. He had Beno bring up the ball, hand it off , and then go stand in the corner.

I believe, Beno can into camp last year out of shape. (if I’m not mistaken Beno had a baby that year). He played better as he worked himself into game shape. But, then he got hurt, and didn’t start to play well until late in the season.

This year he was good enough to play for his National Team, and stayed in shape. And, the addition of PW and improved talent, and you have the explaination for the revitalized Beno.

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by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Hold on

There’s a little Beno somewhere??

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by edm7 on Dec 1, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right to a point.

Props to you if you weren’t hating Beno after last season’s dismal performance. I didn’t join this board till this summer and I already threw Beno and half the Kings squad under the bus in January.

I did notice the mob mentality with the Tyreke and Brockman picks. Lots of people shared the same negative opinions before they even saw them play. Hilarious moments right there. Glad most people are appreciating their talents now. I forget who it was, but I recall someone even called Tyreke a ‘drive-by shooter’. It’s too insignificant to research but I do remember reading that here.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

If it makes you feel better

Beno is still under my bus. I’ve backed the tire off him a bit, but my foot is still on the gas. I’m not ready to let him out just yet.

by Carl on Nov 30, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

A little harsh but okay.

Will you let your foot off the gas if he’s still helping win games by January? LOL.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Carl is a notorious Beno hater

I would expect nothing less from him.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not that I hate Beno

It’s that I hate whining, softness, incompetence and overpaid basketball players. It just so happens that Beno fell into many of those categories over the last two years. Right now, he’s better than that. But 16 games doesn’t make up for a year and a half of crap.

by Carl on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny you don't hate Chris Webber for much of the same things

Irony is a bitch ain’t it Carl?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a crock

Get him! ;)

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by section214 on Nov 30, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

OKay not 'drive by shooter' but 'drive byer'

Some excerpts from that exciting day:

Please, please take Rubio and not the drive byer.
by moproblemz on Jun 25, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Not the drive-byer
by CloudyEyes on Jun 25, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Petrie for passing on the projected #2 for a fucking shady ass character
THANK YOU
by CloudyEyes on Jun 25, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

A wise man once said:
It’s the internetz and if anybody was truly a basketball genius they’d be working for an NBA team right now. Some people get things right but everybody is wrong about a lot of things. We’re rooting for the same frakkin’ team, why they hell are we arguing over stupid pansy sh*t?

link

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 30, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Eric Maynor > Petty Arguments

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Nov 30, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Life would be boring without petty arguments and Kevin Pritchard wouldn’t be in a trunk if Eric Maynor didn’t exist.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Be careful there Kfan

You don’t want to start hurting people’s feelings and getting into petty arguments. No, no, no…

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 30, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh.

I don’t see how listing who said Tyreke was a drive by shooter is petty arguing but if it makes you guys feel better about yourselves then so be it. I assumed 214 was saying ‘find the culprit’ so I did. Big deal. Break out the champagne, children. Its good to know I have fans here. LOL.

As much as some of you kids LOVE the Kings so much just remember every post is on record here for scrutiny. You can always visit your brethren here: LINK

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Nov 30, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Section's post was a joke, you can tell by the winking smilie face at the end

The list, you posted, taken by itself may not be petty arguing, but the multiple recent posts by you on the subject certainly could be, and calling me a child, kid, etc most surely is.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 30, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Shutup you childish Korean bitch

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

My comment

was a joke directed at kingsfan for his “mob mentality” comment.

The “up” button is your friend, JET.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 30, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

AH... As in...

We aren’t a mob. Let’s get (mob) the guy!

I am slow as a jet airplane today cause i just got it…

by MustangMBS on Nov 30, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

ahhh..

Guess that should have been slow as a prop airplane…

by MustangMBS on Nov 30, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You aren't German are you?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Nein

Just spent two years there in the Army

by MustangMBS on Nov 30, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

At least your Uncle paid for it

Hopefully you got to drink some good beer over there.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Good stuff MLS

And I couldn’t agree more. I wrote in my season predictions that I didn’t see Beno bouncing back, and boy did he prove me wrong (at least so far). And welcome back, haven’t seen you on here in a while.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Nov 30, 2009 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

Good stuff MLS

Keep it up Beno.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 30, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I did buy Beno’s excuse about the coaching staff and game plans. When other players started pointing the finger at Beno his ship started to sink for me. I never bought the notion that his contract was horrible. At worst he was still one of the lowest paid starting PG in the league. Like most NBA players, when he can play a style that suits his skills he plays well . . .this year he is playing well again.

by bignerd on Nov 30, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

Last year, Beno Udrih was the starting point guard for the worst team in the League

He was disinterested, unfocused and rudderless. His main options on offense were to shoot it himself or pass it to John Dribble Dribble Salmons or I-even-give-less-of-a-crap Brad “Bong” Miller for most of the first half of the season or one of the seven sumarai acquired when Will Solomon, Shaddy McCants, Ike Diogu, Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons, Clavin Booth and Andres Nocioni (alas, Sam Cassell never had a chance to do the testicle dance in a Kings uni) arrived in February 2009.

The Kings team that lost more games by >20 points than any other in the NBA. The Kings had a “You might question the pride, but thank goodness I am getting that handsome paycheck” label stuck on it’s players. Say what you want about Kenny Natt, but didn’t he bemoan that feeling post game after post game?

We fans expect a lot. It is our job to be the unreasonable conscience – the Jiminy Cricket of our teams – the owners, the front office, the coaching staff, the players. We leave no critical stone unturned. So when Beno produced a dud of a year, with a blank look and a vacant effort – we, rightfully, pounced. And he deserved it.

But as has been said and repeated to the point that it is the current StR mantra: This is NOT last year’s Sacramento Kings.
Give us fans effort and we are easily intoxicated, give us fans wins and we are seduced. Seduced and intoxicated we forget past indiscretions. In that vein I say:

Beno you have been wonderful. Thanks for earning your paycheck. Keep it up… or else!

by betweentheeyes on Nov 30, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good Post

I agree. Beno’s been a great surprise.

Also, Beno has been our most clutch player to date. He seems to be hitting shots when we absolutely need them to stop opposing teams runs. That is a trait that is hard to find, and equally hard to quantify. And clutch players tend to get paid big bucks (see Bibby, Mike)

His contract is still a little heavy (like Noce and Cisco), but I don’t think we really have any “bad” contracts now that KT is expiring.

by R-Man on Nov 30, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions  

Now that you mention K-9

This has been proposed before but most of the time, the author stated it was just a joke. I’m gonna go ahead and go on record saying the following:

I would not mind signing Kenny Thomas for the veterans minimum next year. Even if we were to trade him I wouldn’t mind having him back for the minimum as our token veteran 5th big.

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Nov 30, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Kings were not willing to offer a one year deal

…to ultimate teammate Bobby Jackson, we’re not bringing back K-9. I would be shocked. Traded or not, I’d say there is a strong chance he retires end of year. Good as K9 has been this year, Brockman is going to be that much better next year and has more upside. Not at bad idea though to keep veteran big as 12th man. I guess anything is possible.

by bench_blob on Nov 30, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Kenny actually fills a need

B-Jax was at the end of the line.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say they are bad

…if for no other reason than that we were only bidding against ourselves. I read that the clippers were offering Beno $5M over four years. We did not need to offer that much more, and there were no other teams interested at the time. The same with Cisco. He is a good player, and if he could stay healthy, he may even be worth the contract. However, there is no other team that would have offered him that big of deal.

by markdog333 on Dec 1, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

We had it on good sources

that it was the same full 5 yr mid-level.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey hey hey

Since when do you need details to support an opinion? What do you think this is? A professional blog with a diverse opinion set? Jesus H Christ HT. There you go trying to implement standards again.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Its what the Kings said afterwards and what

Beno himself said the next day. [To paraphrase] ‘Mike Dunleavy met me in NY and offered the same (MLE) contract the Kings did but I felt since it was the Kings who had given me the opportunity -’ etc

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes yes lttg

I understand. (But that was sarcasm up above. Probably should have made that clear.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting enough, but some people do lie

which is why I always question people when they base their comments on hearsay. Although, my comment wasn’t directed at you.

I have alway felt, that the question about Beno really didn’t revolve around the money. Certainly, no one questioned Martins contract over it’s length or cost. Because of his talent and that made the contract valueable, and therefore tradeable. So, if Beno is more valueable than people judge him to be, then his contract is valueable & eminately tradeable.

So, if the talent we’re seeing from Beno this year, is the talent that GP ( who is unquestionably one of the best judges of talent amount GM’s) saw when he signed him to the contract, he’s worth every cent.

So, who are we to believe. Fan’s, who watched the worst team in the NBA coached by some of the worst coaches, and decided to assign blame. Or, do we put our trust in GP.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What about the leverage of the position GP was in when Beno signed

vs the situation a GM that wants Beno is in now?

GP offered Beno the MLE because he had to given the Clippers had offered it (as far as we know). At that moment, GP felt like it was a good deal given the team’s financial circumstances / expectations / and other options for playing PG that year.

That’s a different question than a GM that wants Beno is asking now, and given the different context likely there will be different valuation. I guess, we should ask ourselves, what kinds of teams would Beno be worth his contract too?

A playoff team that has a PG injury but thinks Beno could fit the bill?

A playoff team that needs a solid 7th man and has an owner where money isn’t much of an issue?

I don’t see why non-playoff teams would be interested in Beno, but maybe someone else does?

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Dec 1, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I don't understand the leverage implications

Was Beno an UFA when he signed? Did the league report that some other team had made an offer, and that we had matched it?

As far as I am aware, all the rumors of other offers were just rumors. Did GP need to sign a PG? Yes. But, was Beno the only PG available at the time, for that type of money? I don’t know.

Maybe someone with a better memory can enlighten me. But, if Beno was a RFA, all we had to do was make the qualifying offer to retain the rights of first refusal. Then just match any offers that might come up. And, if that is correct and no offers were made, than GP wasn’t under any pressure.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

unrestricted

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He was waived by Minnesota after obtaining him from SA

if I remember correctly. So there would be no offer matching rights, and no Bird rights. We were on equal footing with all other teams.

I’m not 100% on the above, but I’m sure Pookey will correct me if I’m wrong.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

You are 100% correct

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing to be glad for...

I am infinitely thankful we signed Beno for the type of money we did, rather than the PG the Clips signed for the money they did.

by unfair weather on Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Amen unfair

I’d rather pay Beno AND Tyreke what the Kings are paying them than what the Clippers are paying Baron Davis. A-fucking-men.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

reports were the Clippers offered him their MLE

and Beno himself reportedly confirmed that, but I don’t know what sources you trust.

My point about leverage is Beno had a lot of it when GP signed him as soon as free agency started. Other teams aren’t under that kind of pressure now, and arguably the finances of the league have changed some.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Dec 1, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand now

I just wasn’t sure of his FA status at the time of the deal.

But, you bring up another valid point about the current salary structure. Money is tighter this year and probably will be tight next year also, then when Beno signed his contract.

Very good points, indeed.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

What changed was the salary cap going down

That’s what really did it more than anything else.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok...I have tried doing this thing you call "research"

It was indeed reported that the clippers were offering the full MLE ($5.5 mil) with a players option for the fifth year. I remember thinking two things at the time:

  1. The Kings were negotiating from a position of weakness because we had absolutely no other option at PG
  1. We are going to regret this contract for the next 5 years. Especially given that we were going into full salary dump mode at the time.

I missed the post signing press conference. Assuming that all lawyers – especially players agents – are trustworthy and always tell the truth, we may have matched the clippers offer.

Gone are the days when one can just spew opinions based entirely on memory and revisionist history. Times are changing my friend and not for the better.

by markdog333 on Dec 2, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's face it

Every player, employee or friend for that matter falls into the “what are you doing for me lately category”, which is the way it should be in my opinion.

Beno deserved the crtisism that he received for his play at the time (last year). What he didn’t deserve was the “You’ll never amount to anything” diatribe, that I and so many were guilty of.

 And so, in the interest of fairness, I must say as well, sorry Beno for thinking you would always suck. :)

by kwill on Nov 30, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

Harsh!
Every player, employee or friend for that matter falls into the "what are you doing for me lately category"

I can see players and employees, but friends?

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 1, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

That is anti-friendship

It appears that kwill has no friends

by MustangMBS on Dec 1, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

To have a friend

You must be a friend.

Friends don’t keep score.

StR Token Female

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 1, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Friends also don't let friends drink Budweiser

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Friends don't let friends drive...

DRUNK!

:D

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 1, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Or Sober :P

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I do keep score

In one important area – how many times I’ve helped them moved versus how many times they’ve helped me move. That way I can guilt trip them into helping me when the time comes.

This is in Chapter 3 of the “Friendship for Dummies” book, BTW.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm always the guy that helps

no one is ever available when its my turn.

What does that mean?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It means

You have to work on your guilt-tripping, young padawan.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Dec 1, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine

I don’t want to be your friends anyway. I’ll just take my ball and go home. :)

by kwill on Dec 1, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I had friends lay a tile floor with me once

We got drunk, and to this day I get dizzy walking into the room. That’s why I always hire someone to move for me.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 1, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

For random bellicose hilarity.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 1, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

For random hilarious use of bellicose.

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Dec 1, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

For random hilarious bellicosity?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

re'd

becauae I don’t know what “bellicose” means

by kwill on Dec 1, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It means "doesn't have any friends."

Kidding.

bel⋅li⋅cose  /ˈbɛlɪˌkoʊs/ [bel-i-kohs]
–adjective inclined or eager to fight; aggressively hostile; belligerent; pugnacious.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 2, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't deserve an apology

He’s earning his salary. I’m not on the Beno Bandwagon yet…but I do appreciate his play so far because there are times when Tyreke has tunnel vision (ie he’s in the paint with four Hornets and doesn’t kick the ball out?!) and this team does benefit from “true PG” assets.
The next question is what does Noce need to do to deserve an apology letter….

by getPGwithbounce on Dec 1, 2009 12:53 AM PST reply actions  

Well, in fairness, Noce hasn't been subjected to the treatment Beno, Greene, Hawes and even JT have been subjected to..

He just isn’t as liked here as he was in Chicago. But that’s ok. I think Chicago burst his bubble when they traded him.

I think he was in living in a naive world where loyalty-counts-for-something (after all, he did turn down a marginally better contract, a starting position and a chance to play with Pau Gasol to return to the Bulls where he would be a bench guy forever) and the trade opened up his eyes to the business that was the NBA.

Maybe that’s why he was sort of bitter and out-of-sorts in his first few months here. Now, I think he has stopped treating things so personally.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Dec 1, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

No apology here.

I really enjoyed the posting, but I don’t feel the need to apologize to Beno. He deserved the wrath he incurred because he played like crap. Part of it was definitely coaching, but his play last season was utterly deplorable.

However, I’ll be the first to thank him for his play this season.

As for Noc. I like what the guy does and the intangibles he brings to the table. Because his K is diminishing, it makes the situation more palatable. He is slightly overpaid, but it’s the NBA…everyone is overpaid.

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Dec 1, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

The other thing

Last year, Beno had no competition for his job. He looked over his shoulder and saw … Will Solomon.

Along with everyone else he stunk up the joint, and so we used a super high draft pick on a guy to take his job from Day 1and then traded for another guy to push him for the backup point guard job. He earned a DNP in the first game. Major wakeup call, so it becomes put up or shut up.

If Sergio doesn’t suck initially and Martin doesn’t get hurt, who knows what kind of shot Beno would have gotten to contribute this year?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2009 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

I agree the competition has been great for Beno

And with that, I’m off this.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

An Apology well deserved...

Great Post,

I have been away for a while and was hoping to come in with a bang with the same, now that you crushed it, I will have to think of some other drivel to write about. It is a few days late but never the less spot on.

Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"

by SactownheartOChouse on Dec 4, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

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