I want respect from my teammates and the organization. I don't need respect from Jalen Rose.
Kevin Martin responds to a Jalen Rose assertion that K-Mart is not All-Star caliber
3 months ago
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glad to see his focus on D
Screw you Knicks! LBJ to the Kings!!!
by Shizzo on Nov 4, 2009 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think this post is a bit misleading
Having read the article, it doesn’t really sound like Jalen Rose is zinging Martin that hard….
by silverace99 on Nov 4, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just had to chuckle
I don’t blame Kevin for thinking “It’s just Jalen Rose.”
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
But hey
Jalen Rose had how many All-Star appearances? Oh, yeah. None.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 4, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't copy 214
It stifles you’re creativity. :P
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, guess I should read the whole thread
before commenting. I hate when I post and then see the same thing farther down. Of course if I do that I’ll likely forget to come back up and comment. So, whatever.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 4, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Copying me is not what you should be concerned about
Thinking like me is what you should be concerned about.
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by section214 on Nov 4, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It only happens during rare moments of clarity
so, it’s not that big of a concern.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 4, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean you're only smart for 5 secs a day?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's being generous
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I do try to be nice occasionally. Apparently that was too nice.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quote of the article
“My trainer, David Thorpe, he doesn’t even look at my points anymore,” Martin said. “He’s so locked in on (me) playing defense. I’m trying to be active with steals. … That’s just one of those areas I want to keep working on. I’m taking pride in that area. I’m driven in that area. It’s just not putting up big numbers anymore.”
Victory is tasty.
by iashwash on Nov 4, 2009 9:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm
really liking David Thorpe now …. I got a lot of respect for him.
by what_the_crap on Nov 4, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And David Thorpe is one of the only guys who gives us some respect.
He also worked with Omri this summer.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Lots of people love StR for TZ alone. (Take my word for it.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I know.
Ziller > Eric Maynor.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But is TZ > Tyreke Evans?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(section and G hug each other and sob silently)
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by section214 on Nov 4, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come for the TZ
Stay for the 214 and G.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
But I don’t come for any of them. I just come here because I’m horny for myself and feel the need to comment a 100-1000 times a day.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Martin is Currently tied at 10th in STEALS with Gerald Wallace and John Salmons averaging 2.25 steals a game currently ahead of Ron Artest, D Wade, LeBron James, Chris Paul
(true thats its early in the season but the fact that most of these guys played Defense there whole time in the NBA that they are behind KMart? in steals?)
Last year, Kevin was 49th averaging 1.20 Steals a game. I think his “D” has improved, SO FAR all i ask is that you keep it up Kevin
by JZiadeh on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its nice to see that even K-Mart
is still improving. I don’t think he’s hit his prime yet.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Suck it Jalen!
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Jalen, I'm really happy for you and Imma let you finish"
“But Derrick Rose is the best player with a last name of Rose of all-time. ALL TIME”
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by Aykis16 on Nov 4, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
In Rose's defense -
He is an authority when it comes to not being an all-star caliber player
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by section214 on Nov 4, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
rec'd
for being your usual awesome self section.
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by ForThree on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
StR: Where being awesome is typical
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in Rose's defense
For him to call out an exceptional scorer as not All-Star worthy is actually admirable. It shows a maturity and humility. He knows he was one of those scorers once upon a time and it must have hurt that he never made the All Star team. But rather than blame the world, it seems like he understands he just wasn’t good enough.
And by the way, Rose in his prime was an incredibly clutch scorer (deep into the playoffs) and a real go-to guy. Kev is prolific and efficient, but I’d put Rose in his prime as a step up on the ladder as a scorer.
Separately, I love what Kev says about defense. And if he can turn into a grind it out guy who plays with a ton of heart every night…then yeah, he’ll be an All-Star.
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by Holmdel on Nov 4, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin is doing and saying all the right things so far this year.
There’s going to be a lot of rough patches, but what Martin said is exactly what he should be doing, and the effort and evidence has been there on the court for everyone to see so far this year.
Now we just need PW to ease up on his minutes a little; if Kevin’s going to play as hard as he has, he needs slightly fewer minutes.
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by ForThree on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Up to this point, Rose is pretty accurate
“I think that he’s definitely a guy who has established himself as a guy who can score the basketball in the league on a consistent basis. I don’t think that he’s a franchise-caliber player … or – based on the guys he’s going to go against on a nightly basis on the perimeter – an All-Star-caliber player. But he is a guy who’s going to be able to give some guys headaches because he can score the ball.”
ESPN analyst and former player Jalen Rose
It’s up to Kevin to change this widely-held perception with continued action, not words. So far, so good.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 4, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of that sans the All-Star caliber player
Whether you’re an All-Star caliber player has little to do with your competition.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"all-star" can be overrated
There are alot of players who make the all-star team simply because they are good players playing on one of the best teams that season. That is why you have so many one & two time all-stars. David West is a good player but far from elite also Rip Hamilton. Probobly even our own Brad Miller & Peja. There are also better players who get snubbed every year. Unles Martin scores 30 per this season he probobly won’t be an all-star until this team starts winning games.
by allbenji's on Nov 4, 2009 10:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
For example
Is Mo Williams > Kevin Martin? Or would Kevin Martin be an all-star playing alongside LeBron?
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by section214 on Nov 4, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Because LeBron makes everybody better, and Kevin Martin being an All-Star in his own right would shatter that myth so many love to propogate.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
propagate^
(Forgot to check how to spell that LPA. Sue me.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What myth is that?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 4, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That LeBron makes players play at another level
Or makes All-Stars.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Much ado about nothing
If you read the whole thing, in context, you will see that Rose isn’t really saying anything out of line. Nor is Martin’s response anything to get excited about. I think both statements are accurate.
The most surprising thing here is that Jalen Rose said something that made sense. I guess it was bound to happen eventually.
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by otis29 on Nov 4, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Minus the Kevin being All-Star caliber comment
Totally agreed otis.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I liked about Kevin's response
He showed confidence and swagger without being disrespectful.
The future begins now...
by eduardo_m7 on Nov 4, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
He has been saying all the right things this year and having a slight edge about some of his comments. I think he is on a mission this year to prove last season was a fluke.
by Hilton on Nov 4, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never did understand the slamming of Kev for his D
Martin has improved on D every year except last year, when he had the ankle issue. He has some skills that will allow him to do well defensively, including his length and quickness for steals. Kmart has done nothing but improve every year, and he’s a model citizen and teammate. Why do people hate Kev? I will never understand. BTW, any news on Tyreke’s ankle? He doesn’t seem healthy yet.
by amonk81 on Nov 4, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The best thing
Under the “I don’t care what Jalen Rose thinks” veneer, Martin has realized that he has to step up and can’t just be a one-dimensional player anymore. He’s no longer in denial. And that bodes well for both his and the Kings future.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Strongly disagree
Martin has improved on D every year except last year, when he had the ankle issue.
I think even Kevin’s most diehard supporters would have trouble swallowing this whole.
I would agree the ankle didn’t help matters.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 4, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he didn't improve a ton every year, but....
Kev was never as bad a defender as people say. He was talked about as a possible good defender when he was young. It’s not like he’s Bibby and can’t defend at all. I guess that was my point.
by amonk81 on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ankle
I think his ankle really limited his defensive game last year. He is much more active on D now.
by MustangMBS on Nov 4, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think I was most impressed by that charge he drew on Chris Paul in the NO game. Last year that’s an uncontested bucket.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 4, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's all we really want
Be more active on D, get a few assists, grab a few boards and score like crazy.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 4, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the few assists note
He’s averaging a career high there right now. (I know it’s only 4 games. Hence, right now.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amick on Twitter: Kmart hurt left hand, might miss game
#nbakings shooting guard Kevin Martin is questionable for tonight after injuring left (non-shooting) hand – http://bit.ly/2oeqIB
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thx for that CC
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Nov 4, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just when Martin is looking to make that leap, he is questionable with a bruised hand. All-stars and leaders don’t sit out with a bruise on their non-shooting hand…we’ll see if he turned a corner or if he is the same Kevin Martin-made of glass.
by Bellringer21 on Nov 4, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I take exception to this -
Glass does not bruise.
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by section214 on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not out of the game yet
lets not jump too quickly
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a huge Martin supporter
But a bruised hand? The fact he is questionable makes me worry…some other players wouldn’t even be questionable.
by Bellringer21 on Nov 4, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's the team that lists the player as questionable
Not the player. And it is based on the input of the training staff.
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by section214 on Nov 4, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad he played. Shows some toughness.
by Bellringer21 on Nov 4, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be voting for K-Mart in the all star ballot daily
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by kingme18 on Nov 4, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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