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Kings Crumble in Fourth, Fall to Atlanta 113-105

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Wednesday against the Hawks, the Kings defense visually looked better than it did at any point in the 2008-09 season. The pick-and-roll defense was solid, the help defense came appropriately at least half the time, and for the most part Hawks wings were forced into jumpshots while Hawks bigs were denied embedded position. There were some serious mishaps, leading to flying Josh Smith dunks and whatnot, but for the most part, the defense was solid.

It never really stopped Atlanta, though, as those guards made lots of jumpers. Through three quarters, the Hawks had shot 35-66, a 53 percent clip. In the fourth, the Kings defense -- visually solid but effectively bad throughout -- just went sour. The Hawks shot the lights out (11-19) and the Kings fell.

And so it remains -- the Kings' major downfall is shooting defense. Rebounding has improved. The turnover situation in undeniably good. For a night the opponent didn't live at the line. But it's for naught when the Kings can't force a bad shot.

Star-divide

The Kings won all Four Factors but shooting. (Statsheet.com has really awesome embeddable charts showing this now.)

The defensive rebounding wasn't too good ... but the Kings -- err, Jason Thompson made up for it on the offensive glass. (Kevin Martin, by the way, had nine of the team's 24 defensive rebounds.) The Kings scored more free throws and committed fewer turnovers. Sacramento had 11 steals (three for Tyreke Evans, two each for Thompson and Spencer Hawes), to only two for Atlanta.

But that shooting. Even with Martin having another stellar shooting night (29 points on 24 shooting possessions, a 60 percent True Shooting clip), the Kings shot just 43 percent on two-pointers, and 33 percent on threes. The Hawks, meanwhile, shot 58 percent on two-pointers and 38 percent on threes. You can't make up those gaps on offensive rebounds and turnovers. Not without perfect timing, which the Kings didn't have in the end.

It was a disappointing night for Hawes, but a killer performance for Thompson, who scored 22, added 12 rebounds and five assists with no turnovers. On the season, Thompson has 19 assists and only two turnovers. (Point-center Hawes has 11/10. Point guard Tyreke Evans has 18/12.)

Speaking of Evans ...

I thought this was a worse offensive game than his halted San Antonio performance (though 'Reke's defense on Wednesday was far superior, his best effort since New Orleans). Right now, Evans is too often letting the opposing defense dictate his play. The Hawks sagged far off Evans in the second half ... and Evans rewarded them by taking the long twos. That's bad shot for most players, and especially for someone like Evans. In three of five games this season, including Wednesday's Atlanta game, Evans has only drawn two free throw attempts. For a player whose offense should be completely based on getting to the rim, that's too few. Al Horford and Josh Smith blocked him a few times, and perhaps that aided the decision to fire away from long range. But Evans needs to make better decisions. He has a few quality scorers on the court with him, between Martin, Thompson, Hawes, Andres Nocioni and Omri Casspi. They used to play off Rajon Rondo like that, and he used the opportunity to pass the ball. Evans should do the same.

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The Kings looked like a young team in the 4th quarter and the Hawks took advantage of that.

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Nov 5, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

GREEEEAT - Noce Arrested for DUI last night

(sigh)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 5, 2009 8:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit

I hate news. No really, I do.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Google

It does nothing. Everyone back away from this very slowly…

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Nov 5, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just saw it on TV

Good morning SAC on the CW31 and i have to run out the door for work.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 5, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They haven't done the full report yet

say they will in two minutes.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 5, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well crap

Thanks for that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sounded like they just found out a fw minutes ago

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 5, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

According to the link sims just put out

Noc was arrested at 336 am. I’m not surprised this is only getting out 5 hours later.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Here it is

Fantastic.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Nov 5, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic indeed

Maybe the team can all get one and the judge can sentence them together. At least that way they’ll be a team.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The real concern is

How will this affect his production on my PASPN team?

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Nov 5, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've put this up as a fanshot on the front page

So we can continue discussing it without completely overtaking this recap thread.

Fanshot

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 5, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

G sucks at links

Fanshot here

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 5, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s not that I don’t believe you lttg, but until it’s reported I’m going to be wary of what really happened.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I believe lttg, but I can’t find a link on anywhere online yet.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 5, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dang

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 5, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Go....

veteran leadership.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Nov 5, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm going to let somebody wiser

smarter and a cooler head tell you off. You aren’t worth it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got it!

You’re Kevin Salvidori. Explains the bitterness.

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by section214 on Nov 5, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about that guy

Glad I did.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You already did it here.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 5, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trolls always do this
Can the dumb nba diehard stop getting personal.

At least wait a sentence or two before you make yourself a hypocrite.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 5, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing as an american that makes me cringe is that we've become such a whinning and complaining culture.

Really, expressing there’s chemistry issues with the Kings when Evans and Martin are on the court is too much to handle.

by Kevin.S on Nov 5, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

You need a hug, or a cigarette or something. Do yourself a favor, take a vacation, get laid, have a coke and smile. Things could always be worse.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 5, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

my sex life is none of your business

read a book, you’ll get smarter creep

by Kevin.S on Nov 5, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not all that smart,

but I’m pretty sure that your comma should really be a semi-colon. Not judging. Just saying.

by Kusian on Nov 5, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are the gift that keeps on giving

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 5, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I felt the heat from that one

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 5, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am kind of a creep

but if we’re all so intellectually inferior to you, why waste your hostile brilliance on us? It hardly seems a fair fight.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 5, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the kings have the weirdness to be something special so I like to follow them

With that said, even if it’s the nba crowd; I do expect some sort of tolerance to criticism. Expressing that it’s been bad chemistry when Evans and Martin are on the floor together really such a horrible thing.

by Kevin.S on Nov 5, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Criticism backed up with a coherent argument

Is far less likely to get you flamed here. But this:

If Tyreke Evans was my point guard, I’d be drinking too.

That is definitely flame worthy.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 5, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

poor jokes are funny

if there’s some truth to it

by Kevin.S on Nov 5, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or they are just poor

if all you’re doing is trolling.

Either make a coherent argument with your vast and overpowering intellect, or go away.

You should have something better to do.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Nov 5, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, expressing there are chemistry problems with the rest of the team when Evans, Martin share the court isn't trolling

“If Tyreke Evans was my point guard, I’d be drinking too.” isn’t in poorer taste than half the jokes on this forum.

by Kevin.S on Nov 5, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your intellect is dizzying

Literally.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 5, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Poor jokes are funny

If there’s some truth to it.

Right?

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 5, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Technically, though, it’s not a joke if no one laughs.

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by section214 on Nov 5, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That isn't a tenth of the shit nba player say to each other

behind their back. In terms of sports nba and mlb athletes are the biggest princesses in sports.

by Kevin.S on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you are seeking an argument

but keep repeating your premise.

We have now seen your endless contradictions. Please expound, that is the request.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 5, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy cow

You did it again.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 5, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Evans needs to learn

how to drive and dish not drive and get blocked. But this should come with time. Last night the Kings played an up and coming team who were definitely firing on all cylinders.

I think the changes in the starting lineup is what kept the Kings in the game. Had they went with what they had the game would have been over in the first half. Nocs and Hawes starting was a success. Let’s continue to fine tune.

by KingsFan on Nov 5, 2009 8:23 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I liked the small ball line-up on the offensive side of the ball

Nice ball movement and scoring. It took Hawes out of flow, however, and he never found his rythmn. But JT took up his slack and played as good of a game as I remember him playing as a King. There was one sequence where he grabbed the offensive rebound, patiently gathered himself, and then went up for the score (and 1). That was the first time that I remember thinking to myself that JT looked like C-Webb.

Evans forces the ball too much, and is a terrible shooter. Really bad decision making down the stretch as well. Beno easily outplayed him again. I don’t think Beno is going to have to worry about getting his minutes.

In the 4th quarter the Kings looked like a young team that was uncertain of where their offense would or should come from and, as a result, hurried nearly every position, playing very, very inefficiently and looking out of synch.

by Kusian on Nov 5, 2009 8:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Evans

I feel like I should point out that while Evans did some bad things at game’s end, he continues to do a lot of things that this team needs – get to the rim and give a very good effort on the defensive end. He is a rookie and is going to make mistakes. That is how you learn in sports or any other activity. I’m glad he is starting, and, frankly, I think Beno may play better from the bench and as a combo 1/2. Just to clarify that I’m not on the “start Beno over Tyreke” bandwagon. (I do like them together, at times, however.)

by Kusian on Nov 5, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love what Beno has done lately

He finally strung a great/good game together. I’m hoping to see that more from Beno. This team absolutely needs that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer & JT with the 3 guards was our best lineup

at least against Atlanta. It was the 3rd quarter, where we took back the rebound advantage and jumped out to an 8 pt lead with that line up. It really concerns me that PW never went back to it. Right now he seem to be counter punching instead of attacking.

We had a size advantage against Atlanta’s Bigs yet we only ran about 9% of our offensive sets thru Spencer & JT. And, the decline in the 4th quarter started after PW decided to bring in defense to try and stop Joe J. He should have let JJ get his points and tried to limit Bibby & Crawford.

Spencer & JT were defending Horford, Williams & Smith pretty well. There was not reason for Martin or Tyreke to double. With the 3 guards (Tyreke, Martin, Beno), Beno is capable of guarding Bibby, & Tyreke & Martin are capable of guarding JJ & Crawford. There not going to stop them, but then we didn’t have anyone that could. So, it was a mistake on PW’s part to break up the offense to try and stop JJ.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 5, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

in response to you and to Kusian above

The Kings, IMO, got “out talented” by Atlanta. The stategy was good, and mostly effective. This team needs to find consistency. It needs to find reliable scorers, defenders, rebounders, etc.

Five games into the season, the Kings need seasoning. 77 to go.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 5, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Statsheet.com graphs

That’s the best way to show the 4 factors. Thanks TZ.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The player impact charts are truly exceptional as well

Thanks, again.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love Beno's role on this team

Beno absolutely should not start. Not just because Tyreke deserves to, but because he is much more valuable as a first scorer off the bench. In the starting lineup his scoring chances are dilluted by having to give better offensive than him more shots. But against the second units these last two games Beno has been taking over and scoring nearly at will. This is a good place for him.

by hlebtasic on Nov 5, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 5, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beno

He’s just not quick enough and simply can’t guard most of the starting point guards in the league, and he’s got a much better shot at guarding the backups and contributing off the bench.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 5, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The answer
…the Kings shot just 43 percent on two-pointers, and 33 percent on threes. The Hawks, meanwhile, shot 58 percent on two-pointers and 38 percent on threes.

Enter Udoka.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 5, 2009 10:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Udoka isn't going to bump up those numbers

especially if our starting guards don’t give up the ball. What Udoka does do is give Martin 8mpg to rest. And, it’s probably going to move Sergio to the far end of the bench.

If he and Tyreke can play decent D while Martin sits, and keep us from getting into a deep hole, then he’ll earn his salary. And, he’ll problably get Mason released.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 5, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was mostly being facetious

though I’m holding-out hope that Udoka could end up helping this team more than we expect if he can hit some open shots and play some D.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 5, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Udoka is defense > offense

with Evans and Udoka in the game, the Kings will need scoring. JT is a garbage scorer for the most part, but improving, and Spener is more shooter than scorer, but improving. That leaves the 3 position.

IMO the Kings offense needs more scorers, they have shooters (Noce, Casspi, Garcia). The Kings lack guys who cabcn reate their own shot.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 5, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

coolcat, I really like the analysis you are bringing this year.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on Nov 5, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, and rec'd

Yes, it hurt to write that.

Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.

by otis29 on Nov 5, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

And my feelings won’t be hurt if it goes green. :)

Best part of the night was telling my son about Jerry using Butch Casspi and The Cisco Kid.

By the way: my son just found out there is no more House Party Live, and he is pissed. It won’t quite be the same when we go to the Kings-Rockets game next Friday.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 5, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree heartily with your assesment

but I just unrec’d it because you just went fishin’ for green.

"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.

by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

your wish

ooops too late

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 5, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No CC

The real question is whether your kid has seen the actual movie.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Blank look when I asked him if he knew who Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid were. Oh, well. He does know everyone in WWE. :)

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When he gets older he'll appreciate it

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 9, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts?

Or facts? Well done and rec’d.

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by section214 on Nov 5, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Thoughts

I got hammered earlier for saying that about Tyreke, but you said it better.

Westphal out coached himself, but Mason’s gone so maybe that’s the end of it. He should have gone with the best 5 players instead of trying to find someone who could stop Joe J. They scored 66pts in the paint, so Joe J wasn’t even the biggest problem.

Big sore spot for me with the inability of our players to get the ball into the post. Whether it’s JT, Spencer or Tyreke, no one seems to be able to get the ball to them when they have a mismatch or when their in good position in the paint. Tyreke hasn’t been able to post up any of the last 3 guards he’s played against (Bibby, Parker or Paul).

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 5, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course
Tyreke needs to be more decisive and give up the ball. I bet if you divided the Kings possessions into those where he held the ball for the first 10 seconds or more and those in which he passed or shot more quickly, the plus/minus would be like night and day.

Thats the trick isn’t it? Its the hardest thing to learn for a lot of ball handlers. Pass the Ball! Its so silly that they think they’ll never get it back if they give it up.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 5, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stopping Johnson
He should have gone with the best 5 players instead of trying to find someone who could stop Joe J.

Nobody completely stops Johnson, but I thought both Tyreke and Kevin did a good job on him. Leave Kevin or Tyreke on him, have the other guy cover Crawford, let Beno cover Bibby and play our two best bigs against their young bad boys.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 5, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There was a LOT of line-up experimentation in that game

I thought too much. But I suppose it really was only the 5th game and he got off to a bad start with Mason which GP just rescued him from.
He’s got this work cut out for him now that he really has no true shooting guard.
I say give Casspi a lot of the minutes and see how he does. I still want Tyreke to keep working on his PG skills a good portion of the time.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Nov 5, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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