Its that they say “Lets trade Kevin Martin” without giving reasons why and proposing a trade that would bring us back equal value.

But yes, bash on the Scarlett Douchebag as much as possible.

1. Its not that we hate people saying that we should trade Martin. Its that they say "Lets trade Kevin Martin" without giving reasons why and proposing a trade that would bring us back equal value.
2. Kevin Martin is injury-prone. That is an indisputable fact. But he’s not soft.
3. Nobody has called Kevin Martin one of the greats. He’s merely really good, which makes him the best player on the Kings.
4. Most of us do not like Grant. And I think you’ll find that most of us do not listen to Grant either, for the same reason you don’t listen to Fox News, Stuart Scott, etc.

I listen because it is the best chance at hearing KIngs news or interviews. That is not because of Grant Napear. In fact, it might be in spite of him. The KIngs information that comes out of the Rise Guys show in the morning absolutely buries the content on “Grant’s show.”

And this is where Napear completely misses the boat. He is convinced that he is the reason that the show gets listeners, but the show gets listeners because Geoff Petrie might just come on the show. And GP does not show up because of Grant Napear. Koz would pull the same ratings, as would Jason Ross, Diana Ross or Betsy Ross.

Napear is an above average NBA play by play man, but he stinks as a talk show host, and he’s even worse as a human being, at least the segment that is on display for the public. Maybe he’s a great dad. KHTK and the Kings should give him more opportunity to explore that arena.

1) His show is the only game in town, and the only place to hear Kings talk
2) They are of sub-average intelligence, and think Napear knows what he’s talking about
3) They are of sub-average intelligence, and enjoy hearing Napear rip the callers
4) They like Mike Lamb (LOLOLOL)

but I need to read your post about 5 more times to make sure . . . seeing the word “premise” so many times made me dizzy.

Peaches biggest problem is that he’s an asshole. There’s nothing wrong with having average intelligence or being on the radio with average intelligence. An asshole is an asshole, no matter how smart he is.

What a great idea.

Also when he filled in for the G-Man when he had IRL obligations.

Does it really belong on the list? Of course the shot is ugly, but it’s the same every time, and that’s what’s important. I don’t think the fact that the shot is ugly affects his game. That’s like saying you don’t like his hair and putting it on the list.

Also #10 and #6 are pretty much the same. #11 and #5 would be rectified with a better team around him, so they’re not really his fault.

Otherwise I wouldn’t disagree with much else.

6. Franchise mentality makes him keep shooting even when he’s missing, digging the Kings into holes they can’t get out of.

9. Has one of the ugliest shots in the history of the National Basketball Association.

10. Is forced to be a "leader" even when he clearly isn’t comfortable in role.

In regards to #6, he’s one of the best shooters since he entered the NBA. So in the few games in which he isn’t knocking down his shot, why wouldn’t you want someone like him continuing to shoot? Percentages are that he’ll find a way to score. It’s not like he’s Cuttino Mobley out there.

With #9, aesthetically he’s a nay for the jumper but ask a guy like David Thorpe, he’s perfectly squared and in rhythm when the shot goes up. That’s a good thing for shooters. Same reason why Shawn Marion shot so well in Phoenix. He sets up awkwardly but ends up in the right position to shoot.

As for #10, how is that his fault? And who dubbed him the leader? The organization or the fans that want more out of the team? I don’t recall a statement issued where he was named leader of the team.

But I think his passing is getting better, he’s a good enough dribbler that he often brings the ball up the court. When he diesn;t finish at the rim he usually gets fouled. His defense is much improved.

I can’t really argue with
5. Slight build, big minutes, makes him injury prone

I don’t agree with
6. Franchise mentality makes him keep shooting even when he’s missing, digging the Kings into holes they can’t get out of.

If anything, he doesn’t shoot enough in crunch time.

These are actually plusses in my book:
8. Uses speed to create contact, padding numbers at line and slowing the game to a crawl (admittedly for some people, this is a big yay).

This is probably accurate …
9. Has one of the ugliest shots in the history of the National Basketball Association.
… but the shots go in at a pretty good clip.

10. Is forced to be a "leader" even when he clearly isn’t comfortable in role.
Blame Petrie, not Martin.

11. Would be the third best player on a good team.
Hopefully that team will eventually be the Kings.

But what would you say fair market value for K-Mart is?

Can you get a new title plz.

Can u get a new title plz? This is the 15th time u’ve posted “Grant and Kevin again”.

Be creative.

Rondo I think would really suffer away from Boston’s system and having the big 3. Aldridge is a nice finesse big man, but I think Martin’s better. I agree we won’t get franchise players for him.

Also since you’re new to the site, to respond to someone just hit the reply button. Makes it easier to follow.

any GM in the league outside of Chris Wallace would trade any of the following (Wade, D. Williams, Anthony, Roy, or Joe Johnson) for Kevin Martin. Not even if you threw in a first round draft pick to sweeten the deal. This is inherently the problem with evaluating Martin. Everyone outside of the organization and fan base judges him too low in terms of value and everyone inside the organization and fan base puts him on too high of a pedestal.

Ultimately, he’s a good, efficient scorer with limited defensive production (I won’t say ability) and is below average at making plays for his teammates. He’s a perfect third guy on a great team and probably could pass as the second guy for a very good team. But you can’t expect to get Chris Webber in return for him in this league with this economy. Again, unless you are dealing with Chris Wallace. Then you can probably get Marc Gasol, O.J. Mayo, and Rudy Gay for Martin and K9.

“A see-saw goes up and down doesn’t it Grant?”

Lastly, as to Grant Napear, he is a voice that works for a business of public opinion and advertising dollars. If you don’t like what he has to say, change the channel, complain to his station, complain to his advertisers.

Or post at StR – that’s what we’re here for.

But as long as he is pushed to be the leader and nobody else steps up (and maybe we don’t have anyone capable now; Evans will be that kind of player eventually) durability is going to be an issue because of his role: He plays a lot, he plays high energy, and he doesn’t have an NBA body. Those are just the facts.

One of the few slight players Ive seen who had Martin’s minutes and could handle the physicality of constantly scoring (and going to the hole) is AI and he was a star football player and is just tough period. I thought as Martin muscled up a little he would get tougher, but he’s just not that kind of player. He is a set shooter who has added a reliable running jump shot to his game and who makes his killing at the line. I’m happy to have him—
I just wish, during all those offseason workouts, he would figure out how to get others involved more. One of the biggest things that has annoyed me with the Kings this season is watching them stand around on offense and watch the player with the ball.