Kings Bring the Hammers, Beat Warriors 120-107
by Tom Ziller on Nov 8, 2009 9:20 PM PST
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PrintWhat a complete game for the Kings. You knew Sacramento had the advantage on the glass and in the paint, and that Tyreke Evans had a huge size advantage on the perimeter. But the Warriors are deep with talent (Anthony Morrow and C.J. Watson are legit, and Anthony Randolph shouldn't be third-string anywhere) and the roster is filled with good scorers (Corey Maggette, Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, Stephen Curry). Let's be honest: without Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia, no win is decreed.
But by the half, this one felt nailed shut. The Kings took an 11-point lead into the break, but it felt like 20+. And it really came from the bench all night long -- from Omri Casspi's threes (he hit three straight in the first quarter, 4-6 overall ... and he added 10 rebounds, five assists and three steals) and Donte Greene's best pro game (17 points, five rebounds, one turnover, one unbelievable sideline alley-oop to Jason Thompson at the buzzer).
Tyreke Evans was again brilliant (23 points on 18 shot attempts, eight rebounds, two assists, zero turnovers, two steals -- sat the entire fourth quarter). At some point, it's going to feel pedestrian, watching Evans destroy opponents on both ends. I think the last few years have been rough enough that we won't take 'Reke for granted in the near future, but damn. With the performances by Greene, Casspi and Wabeno Udrih, it's easy to overlook how dominant Evans was in the first half (especially the second quarter).
Jason Thompson had his third straight double-double with 19/11 -- and this happened to be his most efficient shooting night. The key to me over the weekend has been that J.T. has dominated the defensive glass. We know he can clean the offensive glass, but the team needs him to step up his game at the other end. Against Utah and Golden State, he did just that.
If you want to find a minus in this game, it'd have to be one of two things: Evans was limited in the third by the bigger Jackson, and Andres Nocioni had a bad shooting night. But with regard to 'Reke in the third: the Kings won the quarter by eight points, with the offense humming in Udrih's hands. And Nocioni can be expected to have bad nights -- he's not a shy shooter, and that's probably a good thing in his role as a primary scorer in the starting five. You don't want Chapu to stop shooting (or driving, which he did often) -- that puts pressure on the other scorers. Missing Martin already adds enough pressure.
That Nocioni was so inefficient but the Kings still won big is a testament to how well everyone else played.
One more lowlight: Spencer Hawes wasn't fantastic, with 10 points, six rebounds and four turnovers. But while Thompson is built to expose an undersized, without-resolve opponent, Hawes is different. What use is a stretch big against a team with no defensive post presence? On the other end, I thought Hawes played fine. On the whole, his lack of superlative production since retaking the starting job has been disappointing. But with the team 2-1, and owning the glass for two of those games, it's been fine. The Oklahoma City game on Tuesday will be a bigger deal for Hawes, I think.
By the way: the Kings haven't won two in a row since last November 7 and 9, and haven't swept a back-to-back since April 2008, roughly 100 games ago. Unbelievable. The Kings can move to .500 for the first time since Dec. 4, 2006 (!) with a win on Tuesday.
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Oh yea, and we are officially the 8th seed in the western conference…lol
by Burrito3 on Nov 8, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions
by Burrito3 on Nov 8, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldnt Kings and Clippers be tied for 8th?
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
We have a better record against our division
So we win the tiebreaker. END THE SEASON NOW BABY!
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True, but we undefeated in our division 1-0 and clippers 1-2..lol playoffs..j/k
by Burrito3 on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
I will be buying my playoff tickets later this afternoon……………..
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
I'm holding off - just for now
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
bandwagon fan!
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Great game.
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Out of 48 minutes
The Kings looked real solid for about 43-44 of them. You can ask for more, but I’m not sure how realistic it is. Great game, nice analysis, Tom.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
I would say the minutes where Sergio was in the game
were the not solid ones.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Which was about 6 minutes.
So 43-44 sounds about right.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Yep. Nice recap.
That Nocioni was so inefficient but the Kings still won big is a testament to how well everyone else played.
I look forward to seeing Hawes guard Krstic again. It’ll be a true challenge for his new and improved squad.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
On Noce
some nights (like tonight) the threat is enough. He’s dangerous, we know it, they know it, it must be respected.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 8, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly. He needs to be given at least 8 shots a game to keep the opposing D honest.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Amen. Once he stops shooting, JT, Hawes etc... will get doubled everyt ime.
There can only be one Noce!
He had 3 or 4 shots
that rimmed out. Good shots, it happens.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Whereyabeno Udrih?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Canyoubeno like that every night?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
These are the nights where recaps are easy to write
Good stuff TZ.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Just got back fom the game
I’m 2-0 when I got to Arco this season so I plan on keeping the undefeated streak going.
What an awesome performance by this team. Great job by everyone on the court; it was truly a team effort.
I went with my buddy who’s a Warriors fan and comparing our situation with theirs just makes me feel so good about the future of this team (sad for Dubs fans too). It’s called rebuilding for a reason, and we are making the right moves towards future success IMO. Patience is paying off and even though the Dubs look really bad, a win is a win and what really matters to me is the way we got it: playing good basketball and playing as a team.
There’s not much to recap as most of you watched the great game by Reke, Beno, JT, Omri, and Donte (he was having so much fun out there), so I don’t think a fanpost is necessary. If there’s anything you would like to know definetely ask and maybe I can give some perspective from someone who was there tonight.
On a side note, tonight after a long time debating whether to get a jersey I finally got one. My last Kings jersey is an ‘02 Webber jersey that I rock from time to time so I’ve been wanting to buy a new one but I didn’t know what player’s jersey I wanted. With all the rebuilding I wanted to make sure I got one from a player that had a chance of being around for years to come. After this past week, I realized that even though there is a small chance this player gets traded sometime in the future, I still wanted to get his jersey to show I got his back and because even if he ever goes, I will always be proud of rocking the number of the player that takes a lot of shit from a lot of people just because he’s a great talent on a rebuilding team and because he’s an all around good person. I got myself a number 23 that I will proudly wear for years to come, hopefully during our next playoff run. Just wanted to share that because I think buying a jersey it’s one of the coolest parts of being a true fan.
The future begins now...
by eduardo_m7 on Nov 8, 2009 10:14 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
We haven't been .500 since 2006 . . . damn that's a long time. some other thoughts . . .
I know we are a better team with Kev, but the last two games they’ve been playing better as a team. Over the course of 25 games it might be singing a different song, but I love the ball movement I’ve been seeing.
It’s a bit of a mystery to me as why it works out that way. The Kings are down a player averaging 30 points per game. On paper they should have gotten their asses handed to them these last two games (more so in Utah, but still).
Obviously multiple players are stepping up right now and I hope they continue to do so.
I don’t understand it, but I’m enjoying it!!
Ba-da
IMHO its a combination of
Paul Westphal
Tyreke getting comfortable with the flow of an nba game, and more so nba talent. These last two games make you wonder what it will be like when he gets a consistant jumper, and learns a mid range shot to use when he penetrates but the paint is open. (kinda like the Martin runner)
For the rest of the team it seems kind of like the Kobe affect. These last few games the ball movement, off ball screens, and cuts have gone way up; part cause thats what you need to do to have a good offense without a kevin martin, but also it seemed like when kevin was on the floor with the ball the team stood and watched him go to work. Kind of like they were in awe of his ability just as we all are.
We would have gotten better with Kevin as well
now, I think 4 or 5 games without him would have let Tyreke bloom. It will still be a lot ,more wins than losses, but I will cherish every win and watch each twice.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 8, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
On Evans being dominant
How is anyone going to attempt to guard him once he develops a more consistent jump-shot? Man, I’m looking forward to see this kid develop in the next few years.
Evans is playing great...
…but it coincides with him sliding over to the 2 and letting Beno run the offense. People are going to say we may be better without Kevin, but I really believe we are better with Beno running the offense and Reke just getting his own shot, and that is the big difference.
Reke is not playing the 2
and Beno is not playing the 1, and viceversa. The system Westphal has calls for two Gs to handle the ball at different times. Reke is also handling the ball and getting his teammates involved when he’s on the floor (even with Beno).
Let’s forget about positions because all this does is doubt the ability of our players, the system we are using, and restarts the dumb debate about whether Tyreke is a PG or a SG.
The future begins now...
All I am saying is...
…things work better when Beno initiates the offense. If you don’t like labels, that’s fine, but when Tyreke was initiating the offense with Kevin, I felt the ball movement wasn’t as good.
This is not to knock Kevin or Reke. Just noting that Beno’s play has been great, and it seems like his performance has been the catalyst to the better ball movement, and improved team play.
When Kevin gets healthy, I am really excited about the 3 guard rotation of Reke, Beno and KMart.
Fair enough
I just think that labeling someone PG or SG in this lineup doesn’t really reflect why the team is working.
The future begins now...
Offense definitely looks better with ball movement
Regardless of who initiated the offense in the last two games, when Reke dribbled less at the top of the key and either 1) quickly initiated his assault on the rim or 2) passed the ball and moved without it, the offense worked better.
I wonder if Reke was having difficulty getting used to the shorter shot clock, less time to get up the court, read the D, and initiate.
I don't want to take anything away from Beno here
I have been pleasantly suprised by his play and his attitude of late I am just not certain we can pin down any one factor as being that much more impactful than another when it comes to the backcourt play and the flow of the offense
I think he was Brooklyn
You bring up a lot of good points here. The first is that Reke made concerted moves, and the second is that initiating the offense in the NBA is a fast and difficult process. There is ELEVEN less seconds to get into offense than there is in the college game.
It takes a mental toll when you’re trying to put yourself on the map in the L.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Agreed
Seems equivalent to going from a highway commuter to a race car driver
It was only a few games
in the first week – with a sprained ankle. No need to jump to conclusions.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I think Martin's injury was a blessing in disguise
In that Reke gets to see how things are like without Speed for awhile. Then when Speed comes back, he’ll have a better feel for how things are without him.
I think Reke & Speed will perform much better from January on.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
agreed again
When Artest and Bibby were around Speed was great at moving without the ball because he had no choice, last year the coaches forced the ball into his hands and said, go make things happen. If Reke continues to improve the efficiency with which he makes offensive decisions Speed can go back to running around the court all night long without the ball which is havoc on defenses and double teams
Plus 1
It’s be easier for Speed to get in the flow of things than it was for Tyreke. When Kevin comes back, he should be able to fit in much better with whatever we have going at that point.
The future begins now...
by eduardo_m7 on Nov 9, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm dreaming that Donte's play is here to stay (mostly)
Its a big piece for the future, if he can show he has one along with Tyreke and Casppi
WOW, very encouraging.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 8, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't want that to sound negative at all
Great game Donte’ – again!!!!!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 8, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Seems like a reasonable question to me
How Donte fits in this team long term is a question he and the coaching staff will have to answer.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
He continues to play well
and its a very welcome problem.
I did want to say that TZs preview should be totally discounted as he did not include Casspi on the list of Kings who might get 10 rebounds :)
(hit your FTs kid)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that confuses me
How did he miss 4 FT’s?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
FT line not 23 feet away.
3 pointers are easy. FTs are hard.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
by elfboy_ on Nov 9, 2009 1:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a good FT shooter guaranteed
its something about being excited to be there, too hyped up thats getting in his way right now. He just needs to calm down a touch (just at the FT line!)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
At Maccabi, he shot 70% last year. Right now he’s shot 2-12 from the line. It wasn’t just last night.
Super Mario will work with him on it. Or, someone will.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Good 3 pt shooters
always turn out to be pretty good ft shooters, at least as far as I can recall.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I've generally thought it was the other way around
But, you may be right.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And in all honesty I didn't see this coming, I've been wrong about Donté
I think having a coach who works with him, holds him accountable for results but also rewards him for good practices has made all the difference. It was great to see him come to life on the court last night. He played with joy and confidence, you could see him get better right before your eyes. Congratulations é on proving the doubters (me) wrong. Keep up the great work.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
by Bluejohn on Nov 9, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was more impressed that Donte made a mistake
This is a learning process for Donte, and PW just simply said in his PC that the flash, or need to make that type of flashy dunk, is what they’re trying to take out of his game.
I think once he becomes consistent on being able to make the play, they’ll live with a flashy play here & again.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Alex Smith was the worst rookie NFL QB I have ever seen (JaMarcus Russell is fighting for the spot)
and with patience, practice and dedication the guy looked pretty darn decent last week. He is not Peyton Manning but he is serviceable and on the way up.
My point is: Donté appeared lost and confused just a few short months ago. Coaching and hard work on his part have shown a glimmer of the goodness of what could be is more than just a pipe dream.
Never argue with Evie!
by betweentheeyes on Nov 9, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Clearly you don't remember that kid SD drafted 10 yrs ago
What was his name? An absolute trainwreck.
JRussell though does not look like a keeper to me.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Right!
Uhg!!!!!!!!
A disaster as a player AND a person.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
A. Smith...
has had 5 OCs in 5 years…recipe to ruin a QBs career right there
by NorCal BillsFan on Nov 10, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Are you starting to see some of the potential some of us had been talking about?
I think you are.
I credit PW for getting this talented, but unfocused, kid to make some strides in the right direction.
I think it’s safe to say, that it’s no coincidence that we haven’t seen a Donté Greene show yet this season. I wouldn’t hold my breath for the next episode. I for one am willing to sacrifice that for the development we are starting to see in Donté’s game.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 9, 2009 6:03 AM PST up reply actions
Potential
was never the problem.
I caution against handing him anything, though I doubt PW will hesitate to use him or bench him as his play dictates.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
Okay
Rephrase it then.
Are you starting to see why some of us had been calling for patience?
I think you are.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 9, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
ass
‘Some’ of you were hyping when there was nothing to hype. No one wants him to fail.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
ass?
To me some of your comments seemed to indicate you thought him a bust.
That doesn’t mean I think you want him to fail, and I never said that, or in any way indicated that. But you have been critical, at the least.
Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant. I take the same position with Greene that I do with Spencer. Too early to write them off.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 9, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised you were offended by my post.
It wasn’t meant to carry any negative connotations.
The first post was pure joy at Donté having a break thru game and your obvious joy as well(which I saw as a change in your opinion of him).
Then the second post was just a silly attempt to get at the same thing. Maybe it touched on a sore subject or something? I don’t know.
Anyway, sorry if you were offended. It wasn’t my intention. I was just happy to see him have a good game.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 10, 2009 3:21 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like Donte could be our new third bench spark plug (after Beno + Omri)
What gives me hope is if Donte can play minutes at the ‘4’. Then he can be a nice addition to our rotation, give us points, and take all of Sean May’s minutes. I think this is PWs plan, and Jerry said as much tonight.
Donte doesn’t have the quickness or skill level at the ‘3’ yet, which is why I have been down on him for so long. Take next game, he can’t guard Kevin Durant as well as Omri. Not that Omri can stop him, but he can contest better.
Donte impressed me with his balance last two games. I think that may be a function of getting himself in better shape, and all the off-season work he put in. Last year, he was always out of control. And PW is not standing for crazy three point launches, careless play and missed assignments, and that message finally seems to be sinking in.
The Kings picking up Donte’s option for 2010-11 had to make him feel good too, and will allow him to play more relaxed.
Donté is starting to play into the game. He was rebounding, looking to pass more
looking to his teammates more instead of just looking at the rim.
He has to show he can add more than shooting and these last two games he has done so. He has reversed roles with Anthony Randollph. Randolph was in control, confident and played with energy in summer league – Donté was lost and unsure. Tonight, thank you Don Nelson, Randolph was playing like a rookie and not a happy one. Green was the one with energy and confidence.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 8, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
It's funny you say that
because I was thinking about how JT and Randolph get compared a lot because of where they were drafted. I don’t think Randolph will ever be able to hold his own against other strong PF in the paint. He’s athletic and has the potential to be a really good help defender, but I think that is his ceiling. Physically, Donté is probably the better comparison. I think Donté has more upside offensively too.
Donte' should be able to guard JGreen at the 4 though
and some others like LMA ect. The leaner 4s.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
I wouldn’t mind seeing him on Green and even get a shot at Durant. Versatility is the name of this team and we are putting it to good use.
The future begins now...
His D still isn't good though
No way he can guard the quick 3s like Jax last night. Right now I’d have to say I think his future is a stretch 4.
But hell, he’s just started to play well enough to get some minutes so we’ll see how things (hopefully) keep developing.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
I think at this point
I just want to see what works. I see Omri maybe being able to stay with Durant so I say throw him a couple different looks (Omri, Nocem Greene) and see which one does the best job. No one is stopping Durant, it’s just about trying to make it hard by throwing different guys at him.
The future begins now...
yep
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Let's put Reke on Durant
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't want to get Reke in foul trouble
He already has to deal with Westbrook. How tall is Durant anyways?
The future begins now...
6'9"
Casspi’s size but with monkey arms
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
and Casspi has pretty long arms . . . .
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Reke's our best defender
I don’t think Casspi is going to be in the game at the same time as Durant. So I thnk you’re thinking of Nocioni as the alternative, and that’s a mismatch. Going to be another small ball game.
Maybe a better question is who matches up with Jeff Green.
Might see less Spencer, more one-big lineups with JT covering Krstic, the guy we made look like a Hall of Famer last time out.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'd put
Udoka on Durrant.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 9, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Ime might be a bit too small.
I’m guessing NOC has his hands full if he’s starting.
I’d say Donte for a third of the game.
Casspi as well.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Again
Udoka isn’t a starter. What starter would you have cover Durant?
This may be one way to play it:
- Beno covering Westbrook.
- Nocioni covering Sefolosha.
- Hawes on Krstic.
- Tyreke on Durant.
- JT on Green.
Then you bring Udoka or Casspi off the bench for Nocioni, have them cover Durant, switch Tyreke to Westbrook and Beno to Sefolosha.
Bottom line: I’d rather have Sefolosha trying to beat us than their other options.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if I want
Beno anywhere near Westbrook.
I think I stick with Reke on Westbrook, and see who does the best on Durant of Noc/Casspi/Donte.
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Put Noc on Durant
his strength might give him trouble. And if it doesn’t work, so what let Durant get his. I’d focus on limiting Westbrook, Green and Kristic.
Durant will score, if one or two of those others goes off, we are in trouble.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Start Casspi or Udoka
or bring them in quickly. I agree that Noce probably can’t stay in front of Durant. Just not a good match-up for us.
IS there a good matchup against Durant?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
10 bucks says Durant gets about 15-20 pts off Noce...
…but he’ll also miss about 4-6 shots he usually makes because of Noce’s D.
There can only be one Noce!
I'm looking forward to seeing Tyreke
cover players like Durant, LeBron, DWade and Kobe this year.
As Westphal has said, he’s our best defender and able to cover anyone who plays the 1, 2 or 3. That’s ability is a big chip for us, and Westphal is going to use it.
It doesn’t mean he’s going to cover their best player at the 1-2-3 the whole game, but that’s the likely matchup you will see at Winning Time.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 10, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Against OKC
I think it’s more important that Evans guard Westbrook as much of the game as possible.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
DWade & Kobe yes
He’ll really have no advantage over bigger & stronger guys like LeBron, and to some extent Durant. Durant because we’ll lost to much advantage over Westbrook. IMHO, we’re better off shutting down Westbrook and let Durant try to beat us on his own. Westbrook just makes Green & Krstic so much better that if you shut him down, we really hurt 3/4 of their starting lineup. It’s still a team game.
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by HighTops on Nov 10, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed & Rec'd
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
From Jason Jones's Twitter:
“Westphal says Evans is already one the best defenders in the NBA.”
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
That's why you keep him on Westbrook
Better to shut down their 2nd option and point man, than maybe slow their top guy and let their #2 go off on Beno.
Also if Westie is getting into the paint it will lead to points for Green, Kristic and Durant, no matter who’s guarding them. Keeping Westbrook in check is key, imo
In the first game, Westbrook’s 13 assists, helping Green score 24 and Kritic get 20 cost us the game. “Holding” Durant to 25 didn’t help us much.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 9, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Right
Westphal mentioned before last week’s game that Westbrook and Green are the guys that you really need to shut down, because Durant is going to get his. You also want Durant to work, so start Noc on him, then Casspi, then Greene…just keep throwing fresh bodies at him (and 18 fouls) and make him work.
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Shut down Westbrook driving and dishing and their offense will cough and sputter
Evans on Westbrook. He (Westbrook) is their creator. Jeff Green is a third wheel, and a great oppurtunist. Shut down his oppurtunities.
Krstic was the real damager in that awful 1st Q of the season. JT and Spence on Krstic -keep him away from the basket.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 9, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Best way to defend Nenad Krstic?
Remind yourself, “It’s Nenad Krstic!”
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by section214 on Nov 9, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The evolution has been televised
Tyreke was able to attack, attack, attack which is his style.. Beno is stroking his stop and pop really well and when Evans is not attacking the rim, it opens up the lane for Beno and he has taken great advantage.
The biggest numbers for this backcourt: TO and assists have been stellar with these two (Evans and Beno).
JT has been the only anchor for the 4-5 spot – his consistency in getting rebounds and making good decisions shows continued growth. Spencer has been in and out, and just seems a bit out of sync. May was DNP-CD. So it is JT showing up and staying in games (not fouling haphazardly).
But, all in all, this is a backcourt driven team on offense and defense. As the backcourt goes, at least for the last two games, so goes the Kings. The multi-headed 3 position has also kept the Kings going, Coach Westphal seems to reload this spot often.
The next contest will tell alot as Westbrook likes to attack the rim and that opens up the court for Durant and Green who are mostly jumpshooters. Can the Kings clog the middle or stop Westbrook from getting inside?
We're playing much better D
than when we faced the Thunder the first time, and we are starting to establish a team indentity. The Thunder are going to wonder what hit them.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Remeber when
Before the season started, one of the big concerns was do we have anyone worth playing at the 3 spot besides Noc.
What explains Ty Evans' huge bump in productivity?
And if and when Martin returns, do you guys expect Evans to be relegated to 2nd fiddle or will the Kings hand over the keys to him?
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I think it really depends on the matchups
Remember, the last two teams we played did not have a dominant—block the lane center. There will be games where the best matchup is Tyreke and where it is K-mart. And then those amazing games where they both go off.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
Wow
What a difference a decent coaching staff makes eh?
Desmond Mason - Untied the balloon in Colorado, forged Obama's birth certificate, and ruined the careers of Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans.
by otis29 on Nov 9, 2009 5:35 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
So apparently this kid Evans can play? Rookie of the year contender?
I remember people saying the 09 draft class was terrible. Now we got guys like Jennings and Evans amongst others turning into stars. And this is without Griffin playing.
The kings should trade Martin for a solid big man. You’ve got Udrih and Evans as guards. Jason Thompson looking very promising. Get a center!
There's no way
you’re pawning Shaq off on us, don’t even think about it. :)
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Cavs should move LeBron before they lose him for nothing
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 9, 2009 6:21 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hmmmm
Okay, we’ll take him (I guess)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
This draft class was very underrated
There were about 14 players in the first round that were projected to be immediate impact players…breaking the 8-man rotations. That doesn’t even include early surprises like Blair and Casspi.
I think people were just saying that because there was no dominant center.
Casspi should have been top ten
or thereabouts.
Nice for us.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
This site
has to be filled with the happiest fans of a 3-4 team ever.
(me inluded)
:)
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Steven Jackson on guarding Tyreke:
"By the second half, I figured out how to guard him. I just denied him the ball. He didn’t want to work for the ball after that…"
Wha?
What he meant to say was
“Me and my tean played relatively crappily, so the Kings took Evans out since they were up by 20. Mission Accomplished.”
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by Aykis16 on Nov 9, 2009 7:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, it's easy to deny a guy the ball . . .
when he’s sitting on the bench!
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
Tyreke was too busy watching
the latest and greatest episode of The Donte Greene Show
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
He wasn't alone
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Also
does anyone on the Kings have tattoos? The Kings might be the most under-tattooed team in the league. Nocioni has that weird shin thing. Sean May’s got that asian writing. Greene’s got them. Anyone else? None of these guys have them:
Beno
Martin
Evans
Garcia
Casspi
Thompson
Hawes
Rodriguez
KTEC
Brockman
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
That's another reason to like this team
They’re smart.
But the dancers look more buxom
Tit for tat, I guess.
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by section214 on Nov 9, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Well I refuse NOT to rec 214
So there.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
With apologies in advance
To Smashmouth and the Monkees.
My version of I’m a Believer
Yes, I wanted GP to draft Rubio.
Seemed a perfect fit for SacTown’s team.
But when draft day happened,
Evans’ name was called
Disappointment shattered that whole dream.
Then I saw those games.
Now I’m a believer.
Not a trace
Of doubt in my mind.
‘Reke’s for real. (Ooooh!)
I’m a believer,
Even sans Martin by his side.
And I thought that Donté Greene was Reno-bound.
No improvement seen above last year.
Didn’t earn his minutes.
Always on the pine.
Didn’t make the Arco faithful cheer.
Then I saw those games.
Now I’m a believer.
Not a trace
Of doubt in my mind.
Greene can play. (Ooooh!)
That oop to Thompson
Got me completely on his side.
(Surfer guitar riff)
Not in love. (No!)
But I’m a believer
Though it may be a bumpy ride.
The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.
by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 9, 2009 7:59 AM PST reply actions 12 recs
you are the MIchael Naismith of StR
ExhibitG watch out!. You have competition.
Rec’d.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 9, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He isn't a direct descendant of James is he?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
no, actually I looked it up (too late) it is Michael Nesmith
by betweentheeyes on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it was brilliantly intentional
I’m crushed. This is exactly how I felt when I found out that Barry Bonds was juicing.
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Rec'd
In spite of the fact that I wil now have this song bouncing around in my cavernous head all day.
Well done!
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rec'd
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Recap
Things I liked:
- Tyreke establishing an offensive game. I love the way he simply drove through the players and then stayed with the play to get the hoop. That’s going to work on a lot of undersized PGs he will face.
- Beno running the offensive efficiently. He’s got the keys again, and he likes driving the car. He’s also playing great D, which is going to be even more important going forward.
- The postups for Udoka, Donte and Casspi. They generally all led to baskets, fouls or kickouts for good shots. Great player growth opportunities as well.
- The around-the-horn ball movement. Pretty to see.
- Brockman flying through the air. I know what jersey I want. It better be in stock on Friday.
- The way we closed the second and third quarters.
- Lots of playing time for players like Donte, Casspi, Udoka and Sergio. We’re going to need Sergio at some point.
- The way Spencer played through his early crappiness.
- The rebounding. I love the way we have multiple players going to the glass or running to the corners to track down loose boards.
- The Donte Greene Show. He showed a lot of growth and scored on dunks, drives (the double pump up-and-under was a treat) and postups along with the bombs you expect him to shoot. He also passed and rebounded well. The Olive Garden pass to JT was a thing of beauty.
- Westphal. Damn, he is doing a nice job.
Things I Didn’t Like
- Nothing I can really put my finger on. I guess I’m easy to please.
The Kings are now 3-1 with Spencer and Nocioni in the starting lineup, which projects to a 60-win season. We’re 2-0 without Kevin Martin, which projects to a 28-game winning streak.
Take your time, Kevin. While you’re at it, call your friend Bob from Accountemps.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 8:13 AM PST reply actions
Whoa!
•Beno running the offensive efficiently. He’s got the keys again, and he likes driving the car. He’s also playing great D, which is going to be even more important going forward.
Finally a Beno compliment! A well deserved one too. He really is putting in max effort on D, fighting through screens and being pesky (thats all you can ask).
But really he has made key plays and key shots at critical moments when momentum was on the line – or needed to be regained. He’s my player of the week.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
With lltg
For all the crap Beno got last year and during the summer (some deserved of course) I wish he would get as much praise for the above average performances he’s being having in the past games.
The future begins now...
I think he will get more and more praise as the wins come in.
Last year’s performance is still hard to forget and forgive. Although I’m sure 90% of Beno’s poor play had to do with the morons coaches. I think he’s been playing admirably well and I look forward to him progressing as a player. The pressure is off of him and he now has a coach who is teaching him the right way to play. The sky’s the limit for Beno and his future as a King.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Was that a "Wario" reference?
Wabeno Udrih
If so, well done. If not, please ignore the nerd behind the curtain.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Nov 9, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I re-watched some of the game
and Casspi was robbed of at least three more assists on very nice passes right to the rim. Hawes, JT and Udoka all bobbled easy shots. I think there might have been another as well . . . .
That would have put a triple double into play.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
They're not used to handling
an unleavened pass.
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by section214 on Nov 9, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd - of course
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Passover came too early
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
a plague on you!
yours will be the plague of Missed Layups!
by betweentheeyes on Nov 9, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just glad we put a beating on the W's
Everybody at my job talks so much sh#t, i live in the bay area and everyones a W’s fan! Hopefully we can get revenge on the Thunder and play how we have been playing.
Miguel Cotto will defeat Pacquiao on November 14, 2009! For PUERTO RICO baby..
U might want to check if they were bandwagon Kings fans before the "We Believe" run.
Suckers. Glad you get to gloat this week.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Paul Westphal = Rick Adelman 2?
Awesome game!
I am seeing very similar things from the way the Kings are starting to play now with the way they played in Rick’s days. Lots of ball movement, off the ball cutting. Great passing from the bigs (JT averaging 4 assists).Omri reminds me of a tougher Peja mixed with Doug Christie. The major difference I have been seeing so far is the toughness. These guys are getting after it bigtime on defense. They may not all be great defenders but they are throwing their bodies around and really scrapping and hustling. Even the point guards are working their asses off. These last two games have been some of the best Kings basketball I’ve seen in years. Great team basketball. Let’s hope it continures. Thank goodness for the young guys. Tyreke, Omri, JT, Spencer and now Greene are showing that they really could be top notch starters in a few years.
By the way, when was the last time you saw the Kings get an alley-oop dunk off an inbounds pass and our point guards guarding their defenders?? It really feels like a new, fresh air is coming back into Arco Arena.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
I've thought the same thing
Omri reminds me of a tougher Peja mixed with Doug Christie.
Athletic like DC and a shooter like Peja.
Its early of course but we should thank our stars GP drafted at #23 a guy who should probably have been top 10.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
That's the kind of upside that makes a FA far less necessary
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And that's why building through
the draft is the way of going about it, especially having Petrie running the show. Where’s all that criticism now? (not at you Pookey, obviously)
The future begins now...
I actually enjoy unreasonable criticism
The same people who complain incessantly are never to be found at the good moments. Than those same people magically crop up to complain when their opinions are being validated in the here & now.
I’ve criticized Petrie for multiple things. I was mad on draft day. I got over it by the next day. (Much quicker than I got over Hawes.)
The Kings may end up losing a close game against the Thunder Tuesday, but it’ll be worth nothing that the Kings may do exactly what many of us would like: Having a winning record at Arco will make the experience that much more enjoyable.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thunder victory over Magic tainted
With Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis and Ryan Anderson all sidelined, the Magic started Redick, Nelson, Howard, Bass and Barnes with Pietrus coming off the bench.
I also think that our bench is a lot better than the Thunder’s. Could be another second quarter romp.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
That's still a lineup that has an All-star and a future HoF in it
And Redick Bass and Barnes aren’t horrible.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Yes I know that
But the Magic still had to play poorly for OKC to blow them out. I mean, there’s not a lot of point in analyzing it to the death. Orlando lost fair & square.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Shawn Marion?
Not exactly, but kinda sorta.
Casspi is the guy Milwaukee thought they were drafting when they selected Joe Alexander.
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Yet Milwaukee may have hit the ultimate home run with Brandon Jennings
It’s an easy A-B-C 1-2-3 process.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's not an easy^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Dammit I wish I had typed this originally with the Jennings point
The Bucks also had Mbah a Moute reasonably perform from the same draft. So it’s not like the Bucks have completely been screwed here.
At least they made a decision to not pick up Alexander’s option sooner rather than later. It’s one thing to make a mistake (a la Quincy Douby), and it’s quite another to keep making it work.
John Hammond did the hardest thing with not picking up Alexander’s option: Admitting that he didn’t get that right.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Maybe Alexander
will become a King at some point. Still young enough to turn things around.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Nov 9, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Reminds me of Donte’, lots of undeveloped talent. The difference was the paycheck, Alexander due a lot more $$.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Part of it was that the Bucks don't feel that Alexander's body will hold up
So, that doesn’t help either.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
In Joe Alexander's case, it was his athletecism that jumped him up the draft boards
It is always a tough call. Donté is the Kings example, every team has at least one. (Chairman Yi for the Nets who has had some credible numbers, Bargnani for the Raptors, now they have the former Warrior Bellinelli, etc )
A poor performing team like the Bucks dismissing Alexander is a huge condemnation. Good talking point PG – when to cut bait?
by betweentheeyes on Nov 9, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's just as important as picking players
Knowing you made a mistake and it can’t be fixed is just as important as drafting well.
Geoff Petrie taking Quincy Douby, and waiving him during last season to help the team along the way was a good example. (It didn’t hurt that Douby’s 4th year option wasn’t picked up.)
In the long run, fans will look back if only you took this player or that player. But, fans always look at things with hindsight. I’ve found hindsight to be interesting, sometimes useful, but not with draft picks.
Joe Alexander is a good example of where a player picked high didn’t work, but the organization recognized that and said we aren’t going to try and make it work. John Hammond deserves a lot of credit for making a tough decision.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Same goofy low release point on the jumpshot...
…as Marion, but Matrix was an even better athlete (Omri’s no slouch, but Shawn was freakish back in the day).
Omri reminds me a little of Kirelinko (sp) with his play (i.e., moves well without the ball, passes well, very active on defense, makes his team better without being the focus of the offense, etc). Kirelinko is longer and is a better shot blocker, but Omri seems to have a better jumper.
I see more Matt Barnes
high end motor, scrappy, everywhere kind of guy, Omri is a better shooter out of the gates.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 9, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Casspi much bigger
with a frame he can hang some more meat on IMO. Big shoulders.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Barnes <= Cisco
Thats why we didn’t need him.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
I enjoyed having Matt on the team though.
Busted his butt.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Ditto.
Was nice seeing a local kid re-launch his career too.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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