Refs & the Integrity of the Game
I love NBA basketball, and I can’t get enough of it. But, what I have had enough of is the unfair ways that refs call the games. Now, I’m not going to go into the illegal sports betting issues that have appeared in the news in recent years. I’m more concerned about the big market teams & stars getting preferential treatment from the Refs. Although I’m not totally discounting the possibility of gambling being involved in some NBA games.
Let’s talk about the San Antonio Spurs game, and Tim Duncan in particular. While watching the game, I counted no less then 5 illegal screens being set by Duncan. These aren’t small or highly debatable infractions, nor were they off to the side where the Refs might have missed them. In fact, they were within a few feet of the ball carrier and in one case 5 ft from the Ref.
In one instance, Duncan walked over between Parker and the defender, put his chest right into the defender and continued walking forward pushing he defender backwards. Parker then had a
uncontested 3pt shot and made it. Late in the 4th quarter when the game was still undecided (I believe we were down by 3 to 5pts), Parker cut between Duncan and the baseline. As Beno followed, Duncan stepped his left foot out into Beno’s path. And, as Beno tried to get around Duncan, Tim threw his left hip out and almost knocked Beno out of bounds. All this time the Ref is no more than 10 ft away, and watching the play. I’d list more of Timmy’s indiscretions but I think you get my drift.
Duncan wasn’t the only Spur who got a pass from the Refs. There’s the time when Beno made a nice defensive play on Parker as Tony tried to cut into the lane. Parker ended up traveling, but the Refs called Beno for blocking, even though he hardly touched him. But, later when Tyreke tried to make the same move on Genobili, Tyreke got called for the charge. One of my favorite moves was by McDyess. It came on a Duncan missed FT and cost the Kings 3 pts. As Duncan shot the ball, JT stepped toward the basket from the right side of the lane. McDyess stepped in behind JT and using his chest (not his hand, which were up) he pushed JT completely under the net. McDyess got the rebound from the exact spot in which JT had been standing. All tolled the infractions I described here cost the Kings in excess of 11pts. And presumably more since Duncan would have fouled out if all of his had been called.
As frustrating as this unfairness is “What can we do?” As a fan of the Kings, I’m not going to boycott the team. Which would only hurt my team, and unless the league folded, would have no affect at all on the refs. Certainly, David Stern isn’t going to do anything. His denial that there ever was a gambling problem shows he’s not ready to step up and take action. So, what recourse so we have?
I think I finally came up with a plan. Let Congress deal with it. I know your thinking “How’s Congress going to legislate how the Refs intrepid the rules. And, even if they could, we all know that half the time when Congress gets involved they make it worse. No, what I’m thinking is that Congress should step-in and recognize the high potential for Refs to fix basketball games. And, therefore to protect us, Congress should outlaw Legalized Gaming on Sporting Events. Can you imagine the outcry from Casino’s & the Mob. Even if the law never gets passed, the morning that Stern wakes up with a horse head next to him in bed, the problem would be fixed.
So, Kings fans, call your Congressmen. Tell him you have a gambling addiction, and if he doesn’t do something to clean up Sports Betting, you’re going to lose your house, your wife, and your job. Your going to have to go on welfare, you won’t be able to make any more donations to the (enter Congressmen’s party here) Party. And, that you’ll be so distraught that you won’t be able to vote for him in the next election.
Don’t live with the fact that your team is going to get shafted by the Refs, and there’s nothing you can do about it. Call your Congressman today.
PS. No horses were hurt during the creation of this post. Nor do I condone such actions.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I re-watched a lot of the game as well
and came away a little suspicious. Was it just a little home court, great team/lesser team stuff? It felt strange to me. I’m curious, did SA cover the spread? I’d guess yes.
Should they have?
Not without a lot of little calls that got called in favor of the Spurs. (not saying we would have won but . . )
I saw the tripping by Duncan as well + an obvious offensive foul on JT, he cleared out with his left in a HUGE way, even elbowing JT in the face in the process – but fortunately the ball didn’t go in.
Now Duncan is pretty clever on D though, he like all players want to get away with as much as they can. A little subtle holding to set up the pick and roll, he’ll also press right up against his man, appealing to thier ego to not disengage, to set the pick etc..
Now to be fair, I did see several calls that could have gone to the Spurs go our way. They could have called beno for Blocking calls a few times (Jefferson) but they called charging. I thought JT man-handled a few guys going after a rebound or two I remember.
But the Parker (non) travel call was just – crazy and Reke gets fouled at the basket a lot more than they are calling it.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
This is direct from the NBA.com web site
The story is entitled NBA’s misunderstood rules;
Illegal Screens/Picks:
A screen or pick is when an offensive player gets to a legal position on the court in the path of a defender for the purpose of slowing down the defender or making him change directions. An illegal screen/pick is when the offensive player does not get into a legal position. When picking a stationary opponent from the backside, you must give that player a step. When picking a stationary player from the front or side, a player can go right next to him as long as he does not make illegal contact. If the opponent is moving, you must get to your position and give him an opportunity to stop and/or change direction. The speed of the player will determine the distance. You cannot just jump in front of a moving opponent at the last second.
Now, in the instance I quoted Duncan went right up to the man defending Parker ( Beno or Sergio I’d have to review it to be certain) but didn’t stop. He continued to walk straight into him and knocked him backwards. He was 5ft away from Parker who had the ball ,so there is no way all 3 Refs could possibly have missed it. The foul was so blatant as to be ridiculous. He might as well have given him a bear hug or knocked him to the floor. There was no way to miss interpret the rule. But, all 3 Refs stood by and let it happen.
We might have gotten away with some fouls during the heat of battle. But, when Duncan committed his foul no one was moving. Parker was standing still , our defender was standing still, and all three were alone at the top of the key. It was the most blatant act of favoritism I’ve ever seen.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
I always wonder about illegal moves, shots, etc and why the opposing team doesn't just repeat the offense to make the refs call it?
Back in the time of Kings past, Shaq used to step over the free throw line on every (ill fated) attempt – if I were a King (i.e. Chris Webber) why not duplicate this same exact move the same exact way on the next oppurtunity at the free throw line?
The referees would have to call it – it would be an eggregrious difference if they did not. The same goes for moving picks, which are easy (block/charges are difficult). Why not have JT do the exact same move with Beno or ’Reke next time down the floor?
by betweentheeyes on Dec 11, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Because if players show up Refs, the Refs will take revenge.
Or, at least, that’s the latest word coming out of the Donaghy interviews. The point is that the refs are allowed to police themselves. They look at tapes at half time, but I doubt that they use make up calls for blown call in the first half. And, when was the last time you heard about the league reprimanding a ref for a poorly called game. They basicly have to use the N word, before they get into any trouble.
And, have you ever heard of teams sending video’s of poorly refed games to the head of the Refs and getting any satisfaction. Even if they admit it to the FO, the FO isn’t going to make the info available to the public. Because nothing positive would come out of degrading the integrity of the game. People aren’t going to the games now. How many would go if they admitted that the refs are controlling the outcome of games, thru favorable calls. Would you go and spend your hard earned money if you were told that your teams was going to lose because refs like the Lakers more than the Kings.
As long as there are no open forums where these issued can be addressed, these issued will never be fully addressed. No one in the league wants their dirty little secrets to be made public. Isn’t it ironic that when the Refs were locked out and we had replacements, that the games were called more fairly. Yes, the games were bogged down by constant whistles. But, it wasn’t because the replacements were doing a bad job. It was because they were inforcing the rules like they should have been all along.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
I noticed the illegal moves from Duncan...
I had to shake my head and wonder if a different set of rules applied.
It is truly bizarre that the Kings seem to get shafted by refs so much. I mean it is pretty damned consistent.
I don’t follow other teams, but there are more no calls against them than the other teams they play…
Wait a minute
Is your solution meant to be serious? Or is my sarcasmeter off?
And by the way
Almost universally, a fan of any given team believes the team they root for gets shafted by the referees, umpires or other entity there to enforce rules and give penalty.
Do refs make bad calls? Sure. Do refs hate the Kings and/or Sacramento and want nothing more for them to fail and only make bad calls that shaft the Kings? Doubtful.
Tony Parker is very fond of
palming the basketball too. He makes a little hesitation move at the three point line or top of the key while turning his hand under the ball. The refs are waiting to blow the whistle on Tyreke for less. In Tyreke’s favor, he has a splendid on-court demeanor which will earn the respect of refs, and get him to the line more often than not when call is in doubt.
Regarding Duncan, he is very savvy. He is always moving illegally on his screens to free up Parker and Manu. But he does it in stealthy way where he does not blatantly initiate contact with the guard. Then he throws his arms in the arm when the refs blow the whistle every 1 out of 10 times. Coach Popo goes nuts and the refs are intimidated into calling it again.
The answer to his cheating ways is not to fight it, but for Hawes and JT to learn the same little tricks. Instead of JT crying to the refs, acting with clumsy conspicuousness, he should observe what it takes to gain an edge from a guy with undeniable success.
Yeah, the Duncan cases are just a testament to his intelligence a lot of times.
He does get preferential treatment, of course. But so has every hall of famer. When lesser players get away with things, then maybe there is something fishy, but when someone like Duncan does it, well, it’s frickin’ Tim Duncan.
The sports definition of the word savvy is being able to get away with subtle cheating. The greatest offensive linemen and tight ends blatantly admit to holding on EVERY SINGLE PLAY, but they don’t get caught. Jordan would grab people’s jerseys, Shaq would swing his elbows around all over the place, Ditka would shank people on the field (not confirmed, but he was a savage TE, it is very likely to have happened at least once).
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Dec 11, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
There's nothing savvy about a 7 footer hip checking a PG out of bounds
or, walking right thru another player almost a foot shorter than you when your the only person moving on the court. I’m sure there are plenty of savvy moves that people get away with in every games. But, the obvious ones are too ridiculous to be allowed to continue.
My dad played golf with some retired friends. One wasn’t very good, and felt that he had to cheat to stay competitive. Everyone knew he cheated and let him get away with it, because he was a good man at heart, and no one wanted to embarrass him by getting in his face about it.
One day this guy hit a ball into the wood off to the side of the green. When the ball came out of the woods and landed 10 feet from the cup, everyone cheered because their friend had made such an incredible shot. At least until he walked out of the woods, and everyone saw that he didn’t have a golf club with him.
It seems like the NBA is getting like my dad’s friend. Everyone (the refs) lets the Stars cheat to the point that they don’t try to be savvy about it anymore. And, until the refs stop letting them get away with that type of play, the stars aren’t going to stop, and the integrity of the game will continue to go down the toilet. It’s just gone on too long.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
My favorite was K Malone
He initiated almost every jumpshot or roll to the hoop with one knee was up and out in front to initiate contact and/or intimidate. Was it cheating?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Can just about write this article after every NBA game and I would agree
NBA officiating simply lacks consistency and it’s maddening. My big hope after Stern is gone is the next Commissioner seriously dedicates the NBA into making officiating more consistent. If palming the ball is OK, that’s fine. If moving screens are OK, that’s fine. If getting the cheap call driving to the hoop is OK, that’s fine. Just put forth an effort to make the rules more consistent between officiating staffs and players that get the calls. I’d don’t expect perfection, but the variance sometimes makes a bigger impact on games than the actual teams.
The refeering
in the NBA is one of the major reason why I can’t watch other games. I can easily watch any other MLB or NFL games, even if it doesn’t involve the A’s or Cowboys. I love the Kings, but the officiating sucks so bad, and the favoritism is so much … that it turns me off as a fan.
I always love it how people complain about referee's
I understand, but I disagree a bit (but without seeing what happened in SA I don’t really know).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
The refs suck
I can count on one hand the number of NBA games I’ve watched in the last half decade (Kings or non-Kings games) where their suckitude wasn’t extremely noticeable.
However, “superstars” and upper echelon teams have been getting preferential treatment from the officials for as long as I can recall (and I can recall a looong ways). The fact that the officials screw up a high percentage of the rest of the calls is the real issue here. Maybe the game is unrefable, I just don’t know…but these guys are awful, pretty much across the board.
The fact that the Spurs whine more about officiating than any three other teams in the league combined is almost as laughable as the officiating itself.
But don’t be calling Congress, and don’t be taking away my chance to play a three team parlay when I head up to Tahoe for my next ski weekend. Because I’ll be coming after you…YES YOU!
GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Do you really think that Congressmen, would do anything
to screw up their free trips to Vegas or Atlantic City, to help a few hundred constituants across the country.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Thanks HighTops
I feel much better now.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
by otis29 on Dec 12, 2009 5:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I take offense to this post and am at understandable odds with the poster
for he mentions the name “Tim Duncan” yet proceeds to blather on with ridiculous accusations that are certain falsehood. Now idolatry can no longer be publicly commended in this day and age, but life-size statues of a certain currently-active Spur which may or me not be in my living room should not dissuade you from listening to the arguments I am about to present.
Article One. Tim Duncan can do no wrong. This is certain truism. Though abstract and solely a postulate, we depend on its truthiness for without it we cannot base our nature, nor define the world which surrounds us. Such as the ground is solid beneath our feet, we trust that Tim Duncan does no wrong on the basketball court.
Article Two. Tim Duncan can not be accused of doing wrong, similar to how The Rain cannot be accused of starting a fire. When we have accepted the true nature of Tim Duncan, we can no longer accuse him of committing actions against his nature. When a chicken is lost from the hen house, we look at the fox, we do not stop to interrogate the cow. As such these minor whistling quibbles must be brought to the attention of the referees, not the venerable Duncan.
Article Three. Given Tim Duncans venerable nature, we must accept that all actions toward him which would otherwise be considered “favoritism” is simply the universe humbling itself in the direction of someone far greater. For Tim Duncan, Karma is always due. As such, he is never “lucky” or shown favoritism, it is simply the laws of physics righting themselves, the spirit of nature adjusting itself, the space-time continuum… continuing itself.
Article Four. Tim Duncan was born in St. Croix, the largest of the Virgin Islands. This fact must always accompany any postings on Tim Duncan.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Dec 11, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Jesus Christ
Next you’ll simply tell me that you’re a Raja Bell fanboy. Something is wrong with you island boys.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
iashwash FTW
rec’d. /genuflects at the mere thought of Tim Duncan
by betweentheeyes on Dec 12, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Refs need to get fined for obviously missed calls or blatantly wrong calls. I still think there’s needs to be a side ref watching from TV POV so they can see all the missed calls. Maybe there’s not enough refs and we should have 6 on the floor , as the three must be wearing themselves out running back and forth to notice obvious calls.
I hate slowing down the game , but on questionable calls the need to look at replay more. I think it does well in NFL,(I think a team should not be limited to two if they are right about them, just like they are not charged a time out) need more in baseball (Almost ready for a computer to call balls and strikes) and in the shit Tim Duncan pulled when hes was mouthing off at the Ref and didn’t get called for a T was BS, especially when Noc gets called for one. for barely saying anything. (cant remember if it was same game or earlier one)
Judgment day is coming!
Guys these comments on the refs are understandable but your issue is maligned. Post forthcoming...
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by SactownheartOChouse on Dec 12, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions
Duncan responds to these baseless accusations:

(Note sarcasm)
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Tim Duncan sees all.
These sins will not be forgiven.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Star calls will always be there.
I think most of it is subconscious. The refs are like the nerdy wannabe kid who lets the cool kids copy his homework. They want to be liked by the popular people.
But I did find this little gem…
how the Refs intrepid the rules
Intrepid = brave
Interpret = read, decipher, translate
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 12, 2009 4:49 PM PST reply actions
Dang Editors
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Seriously, Pookey
That avatar. I have no words.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 13, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I am the new Honey Pimp of StR.
Get used to this.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

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