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As recently as a couple of months ago, our confidence in Beno Udrih was less than overwhelming. He was inducted into the MLE hall of shame. He was untradeable, a waste of someone else’s minutes, an albatross.

Today? Amongst point guards logging 30 minutes per game or more, Beno Udrih ranks 11th in PER, in between Brandon Jennings and Gilbert Arenas (Tyreke Evans currently sits at #7). Udrih sports a true shooting percentage of better than 58% (that is Kevin Martin territory), and his assist to turnover ratio is 2.3 to 1. And Udrih has done this coming off the bench, where he had rarely been productive prior to now.

The question is, how far has Udrih come in two months? Has he graduated from untradeable (as in, no one will take him) to untradeable (as in, we don’t want to part with this guy)?

Star-divide

To help answer this, I have developed this simple test – a proposed trade. It is important to note that this is probably not a viable trade, but I threw this together quickly, and the purpose of this trade is more to set a baseline in our minds as to how we feel about Beno these days.

The Blazers are struggling, and the popular thought these days is that they need a "Mo Williams" type of guard to play in the backcourt with Brandon Roy. In a way, that is Beno. Now I’m not directly comparing Udrih’s talents to that of the Cleveland all-star, but Udrih has proven that he can be productive in the backcourt with or without the ball, and he can produce as a 1 or a 2. He and Roy would be similar to an Evans/Udrih backcourt. So…

Udrih to Portland for Blake, Dante Cunningham, Patty Mills. I would have done Udrih for Blake straight up, but it doesn’t work from a salary standpoint. The Kings would have to turn around and waive Sean May to be at 15 players.

Note to all Portland fans – this trade was not completely conceptualized with you in mind. This is put together as a semi-plausible scenario so that I can get a reading on how much Udrih’s value has moved in the minds of Kings fans. This does not solve your Andre Miller problem, but Pritchard is a genius and can deal him to someone else. Also, if you have not seen Udrih play this year, you will rightfully believe that this is one of the stupidest trades ever proposed. Last year, Blake > Udrih. But aliens have come down and inhabited Beno Udrih, and it does not appear that they are going to be vacating the vessel anytime soon.

Under this semi-plausible(?) setup, the Blazers get their running mate for Roy at a reasonable (albeit lengthy) price. The Kings get expiring for the most part (I think that Cunningham might be guaranteed $800k next year). Should the Kings then manage to deal Nocioni for expiring, they would go into next year’s free agency period with a payroll of $29 million (not including whatever it might take to re-sign Sergio Rodriguez).

So, would you now trade Beno Udrih for expiring contract? Do you think that it is possible to trade Udrih for expiring contract? Or is a backcourt rotation of Evans/Martin/Udrih too tasty to mess with? You could also entertain the notion of dealing Martin, but I don’t think that you can get fair value for him today.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. You have to make the deal now. You can’t wait for the trade deadline or for Martin and/or Garcia to come back. The trade will hurt the Kings in the short term, as a prime time contributor is dealt for Steve Blake, who would likely settle in behind Evans, Greene, and Rodriguez in the guard rotation in the short term, eventually winding up near the end of the bench (or in street clothes) once Martin and Garcia return. Just for comparison, Blake does have a nice 2.5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio, but his true shooting percentage is a woeful 49%.

What say ye regarding Beno Udrih?

Poll
Trade Beno Udrih?
For expiring? Yes - strike while the iron is hot.
125 votes
For expiring? Are you nuts? Beno rocks!
55 votes
Only if we can something tangible (like interior defensive help) in return.
199 votes
What's the rush? I say wait until Martin comes back, then sort it out.
365 votes
Have you been in the egg nog? Beno is still untradeable.
52 votes

796 votes | Poll has closed

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If I thought we could get a guy like Bosch

to sign with us in free agency, I would do it.

I’m not convinced however, that we really have a shot at the elite free agents, so my answer is “No Deal”

by nothingbutnet on Dec 13, 2009 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

The Power Forward or the power tool?

Ron Ron was more of a Black and Deck(her)…

by Ron Jeremy All-Stars on Dec 13, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Ouch!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 13, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted untradeable

But not because other teams wouldn’t take him. For all my complaints about him earlier this year, I think he is a key component of our team at this point. I wouldn’t trade him for pretty much anything we could get back. I understand the whole buy low, sell high thing. But this isn’t an Ike (two games of success) Diagu scenario. He has made a complete turnaround in my opinion. We need a solid back-up point guard and at this price, I don’t think we could find anything better. Keep this guy and let the fun start when K-mart and Garcia get back.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 13, 2009 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

the problem with that trade...

..is it sends Beno to one of our main future competitors in the WC. The other being OKC.

by Smills91 on Dec 13, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

I like what we have

If coaching was the problem all along, and PW is the solution, Beno could prove to be a really valuable rotation guy in the long run. He’s already showing signs. I want to keep seeing what we have for a while before making any significant moves. Beno rocks.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

BTW, that picture is gay

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

+1, my man!

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Dec 13, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Currently we are in 13th position, so if lottery were held today

there’s no way we’d get a backup big in the draft, let alone a starter. And, without knowing what financial conditions (cap space & Maloofs willingness to spend it) will exist during next years FA signing period, there’s probable less than a 50% chance we could get a serviceable big in the FA market.

We need help at center more than we do at PG. And, it takes talent to be able to trade for talent. I won’t necessarily be happy to see Beno go. But, if we get a 10/10 big in return, I’ll say thank you very much Beno and wish him well in his new home.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 13, 2009 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

Why wouldn't the Kings get a solid rotation big in the draft?

I think Petrie has shown that he can pick up talented players anywhere in the first round. Thompson was a #12 pick and I expect that we will draft at a similar position in 2010.

Our front-court does look very thin at the moment (surprisingly despite Sean May’s presence) and it would be really hard to turn down a trade for a young big.

What would it take for us to pry Mareese Speights away from the 76ers or JJ Hickson from the Cavs?

Peja-vu!

by CDinSD on Dec 13, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying we wouldn't, just that the odds aren't great

Even tho last years draft was the year of the PG, the ones that are performing at a high level were all taken before 10. And, even though next year is looked at as the year of the bigs, that’s not a sure thing either. First we don’t even know how many bigs will enter the draft, or how many teams ahead of us will draft bigs. And, will there be a big that can step in and contribute the 1st year, when we draft. Certainly GP is a great judge of talent, but even he has misses, and not many contributed their 1st year like Tyreke & Omri.

Not impossible, but I did put the odds at less than 50%.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 13, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Its the 'Year of the Power Forward'

So I guarantee that several teams will buck the trend early in the draft and go for other positions.
There are also two guys, Wall and Turner that are nearly a lock for the top ten – so I mean besides those guys.
In a draft with 7 or 8 good PF prospects, I’d think GP will find a gem amongst who’s left.

Now, if we could get another top ten pick? I’d give up quite a bit. A team like Minnie that needs about 4 players might go for dropping down a bit in exchange for a player and our pick, maybe.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a good idea

Someone pointed out on another thread how Minny got the 5th from the Wiz for non-starters.

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by edm7 on Dec 13, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

If the lottery were held today

I would not send Chris Webber.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

One could argue

that the #4 pick wasnt so bad afterall.

by Hilton on Dec 13, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No argument there

But we got lucky. Reke should have gone #2. In fact, he would have if the Kings had gotten the #2 pick. Jerry Reynolds more or less said as much.

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by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Over Thabeet?

You sir, are mad.

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Dec 13, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a joke, btw

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Dec 13, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Was only kidding

Just looking back how StR was in meltdown mode when the lottery took place. Funny how it all worked out in the end.

by Hilton on Dec 13, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

There were only a few people who weren't in meltdown mode

I know ed was one person.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 13, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm never in meltdown mode

I’m calm as a (fill in with something that’s really calm)

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by edm7 on Dec 13, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Eye of a hurricane?

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Guy OD'd on Xanax?

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Backed up toilet?

Sorry, Ed. Please don’t throw your beer on me at the Nuggets game.

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by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

It's ok

It may look like beer, but it won’t be

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by edm7 on Dec 13, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll be the guy in the poncho

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by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

/raises hand

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Dec 13, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted "not unless we get interior help in return"

But on second thought I think I would do the expiring deal. It’s not really a question of Beno’s lack of value – but rather of our need. We have a glut of talented 2’s and 3’s. We have virtually no depth in the big man department.

Further, this recent trend goes way against his past performance. I’d love to see him keep this up, but he is due for a downswing – even if it is a mild one. If we can free up his salary and sign a big man this summer – I don’t think I’d protest one bit.

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Dec 13, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

What do you want the space for?

Is there a stud big thats heading this way? Its easy to Say ‘lets use the money on a big man’ – but who?
For the right deal of course, a great prospect and/or a very high pick – maybe, but expirings? Just crazy.
You can never have enough good ball handling and dependable scoring off the bench. I’d love to keep Sergio as well but . . not sure thats going to be possible. I think the Kings do make the QO at least to Sergio though (how does that works experts? Does he have the option of declining it?) and keep that asset for at least another season or trade it.

Unless there is a proven way to address our front line in a serious way, I ask again – why?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget teams needing cap space...

It’s not just who is a free agent. It is who is up against the luxury cap, who has a slightly overpaid big they want to send somewhere for capspace.

Also, remember the wizards sent the #5 pick for two non-starters. I think we could swap picks with someone and get a nice big. I could see GP packaging a few players to try and move up. Plus, this is deep draft at the 4 spot, so it might make sense. We probably don’t need to move Beno to do that, however.

by R-Man on Dec 13, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

My expectations are rather low

on the kind of big man to sign. Basically, a defensive minded big such as we’ve been talking about to come off the bench and play defense. There are a bunch of names out there – I’m not an expert on all of them – but I’m sure one of these could fill our need: Tyson Chandler, Nazr Mohammed, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jermaine O’Neal, David Lee, and maybe even Ben Wallace – he’s been playing well of late.

Again, I’m not looking for a starter and I’m not looking for a savior. But any one of those guys I believe would make a bigger impact on our team than Beno will when Martin gets back.

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Dec 13, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

We'd definitely be selling high

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Dec 13, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That picture is the greatest!

Beno is still awful! I will continue to boo him at the games, or not cheer when he makes a game winning play.

by Phil Perspective on Dec 13, 2009 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

We understand - you're an idiot

sometimes genetics wins.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Sometimes the best of truth is that which is simply stated

well done

"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28

by kwill on Dec 13, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Does tangible include a late first rounder?

Because I would do that in a heartbeat.

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by iashwash on Dec 13, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

Also, section

I love the huge bold caveat directed towards Blazers fans. As I was reading the trade proposal, I immediately thought “I hope he realizes he’s brewing a shit storm of BlazersEdge fervor.” Well played, kind sir. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

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by iashwash on Dec 13, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, a scholar anyway

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW, that was a joke

Please don’t ban me.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I was happy

that you were giving me credit for being a scholar (you were wrong, but it’s greatly appreciated).

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by section214 on Dec 13, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

That was the part I was joking about

:D

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by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

With

"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken

by thelettere on Dec 13, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted for wait it out

I don’t see his contributions declining that much and I think he could still be moved in the summer. I don’t think Beno, even after these first 20 games, has much value right now and we’d have to wait a bit more and see what else is out there. If he keeps it up maybe he could be a positive in a package with K-9.

I’d rather just wait and see where this team is at when Kevin and Cisco come back

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by edm7 on Dec 13, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions  

Me too.

Besides, who’s to say that other teams would not want Garcia or (god forbid) KMartin for the much desired big? If we do pull a deal like that, we’ll be glad Beno is there to take Garcia/Martin’s mins.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Dec 13, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Blake

But this is just a swap of similar talents. It retains our logjam at the smaller positions and doesn’t address our biggest need, a third big man to complement/push/improve on JT and Spencer.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 13, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

I voted "What's the rush..."

but not because of Martin…this depends on the whether or not we get Sergio at a good price tag.

Now if you come up with a Noce for expiring….Yes

by getPGwithbounce on Dec 13, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think Portland would go for any deal to get Beno Udrih

I think they might be interested in a player like Andres Nocioni more (Travis Outlaw/Steve Blake for Noc works under the cap in case you’re wondering) if they were interested in a Sacramento player that was available.

I also wonder if the Kings can get anything tangible for Beno period myself. It’s not so much that teams don’t see Beno for what he’s doing this season; they see that completely and absolutely. What I don’t see is why a team would want to commit the 3 years and 19 million (or thereabouts—feel free to change the number value to what it is) particularly when so many teams have other salary concerns. Because of these salary concerns, Beno’s contract could be too much in value with the other players other teams have in contract already. I see Beno as an expensive lesson, or simply a player that Geoff Petrie mis-judged money wise, but for other teams he could be the type of player that isn’t worth keeping long term.

Meh. I think Beno is going nowhere because of the money owed him. I don’t think Portland is greatly desperate to add another PG especially if Jerryd Bayless is as unhappy as Jason Quick reported this morning.

Anyway, yeah.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 13, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

How about wizards, They can get a good PG and move Arenas to 2 guard..as noted in this article under Caron Butler

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 13, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you be interest in deal that included Beno for Bayless

plus the necessary trimmings?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 13, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell no

Read the 2 links about Bayless and you will understand why I say that. Or, should.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 13, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You were a big fan of his last year

Times do change

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

No I wasn't.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 13, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You just know I'm too lazy to go look for the comments

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I read the article at blazersedge

and honestly thought that Bayless was just misquoted and he didn’t really mean to throw the other PGs under the bus.

I heard he’s being playing much better and just not getting consistent minutes. Then again, I haven’t really watched a Blazers game when he was on the floor

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by edm7 on Dec 13, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn mistyping and Trade is all the way at the bottom. 2 there one for Noc and one for Beno

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 13, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless says he was misquoted

And I’m surprised a newspaper story would color your opinion that much, so I assume there is more.

I really don’t know much about him, but he seems to have a lot of athleticism and needs a chance to show it. Maybe we can offer him that chance somewhere down the road.

Sergio had an even worse rep leaving Portland and again was the odd man out when it came to getting PT. Even Donte was moaning a bit about his dilemma on Twitter early in the season before he started to get some action, so I’m not sure how much to pay attention to random grumbling. I mean, this isn’t Steven Jackson we’re talking about, is it?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 13, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Also,

I think you missed the whole point of the thread. It isn’t whether any other team would be interested. It is meant to measure our sentiment towards Beno if someone were.

by markdog333 on Dec 14, 2009 7:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Paradigm shift

A little over two months ago, at least 90% of the members here would have traded Beno for a Spam sandwich (mmm, Spam). Today, better than 80% would not trade him if offered expiring contract. This is indeed a testament to Udrih’s play and attitude during the first quarter of this season.

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by section214 on Dec 13, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

Are you going to find a backup PG that does more for you than Beno Udrih in the next 2 or 3 years?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 13, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Could a combo of

Sergio, Cisco, and less minutes for Beno because of K-Mart do the trick?

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by edm7 on Dec 13, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing everyone agrees on is getting help on the front line.

mostly for defensive purposes, but there are times when JT & Spencer’s offense faulters. Sergio does one thing better than anyother PG or Player for that matter, and that is set up the bigs for easy baskets. Yes, sometimes he gets too flashy, and sometimes he gets himself trapped under the basket, but when was the last time anybody had a backup PG get 9 assists in almost as many minutes.

I think Sergio & Cisco are the perfect backups for Tyreke & Martin with or without Beno.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 13, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, this is an important point

PW has done a great job so far this year, but his toughest challenge awaits when Martin and Garcia return. There is simply no way you can play Evans, Martin, Garcia, Nocioni, Udrih, Casspi, Greene and Rodriguez all meaningful minutes. Unless you don’t play any big men, which is not what we want, I would think.

First, I think you need to trade Noce for expirings or a big man. But I think a Beno trade should at least be considered if you want to hold on to Rodriquez past this year.

by LPKingsFan on Dec 13, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Given the fact that he is playing both the 1 and the 2,

probably not. And I’m fine with him sticking around, though I would be tempted to deal him for expiring.

My thought process (yes, I have a thought process!) is this – we overpaid when we signed Udrih, as we had few alternatives (Orien Greene, hello). Now we have two guys that can run the point (Evans and Rodriguez) and (once healthy) we have a bevy of 2 guards.

Don’t get me wrong. I am thoroughly enjoying watching Beno play, and I’m not campaigning to have him traded. And he’s still got some room for growth. He might get even better. He might be the next B-Jax (referencing on-court performance only).

I am just absolutely fascinated at how quickly he righted his ship. That was my reason for writing the post. I wanted to see just how much the public opinion had changed regarding Beno. And it is startling, and surprising, and well-earned.

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by section214 on Dec 13, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

But I’m not impressed enough with Sergio to think he’s anything other than what he is. And, that isn’t worth ponying up for this summer to ensure that he “might” duplicate what he has done (and may do) this season.

Beno has to be here, and knows it. The thing about Beno is that he good focus right now, and that good focus won’t probably last. But, why spend a lot of money on a 3rd PG like Sergio when you don’t have to?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 14, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't spend the money on Sergio,

unless (a) you move Beno and Rodriguez becomes your #2 PG, or (b) you sign and trade Sergio.

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by section214 on Dec 14, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I've grown to love our PG depth

On that note, you can’t trade Beno unless you’ve locked up Sergio for a few years or get back a young P in the deal. I’m in favor of the veteran route.
Having that good second ball handler off the bench is just too important. Do i wish he was getting less? Sure. Can he be an imporant piece in a nice playoff run in a year or two? Sure.

Plus, we’d be in real jeapoardy of being under the NBA minimum salary ($43 mil) and would have to sign crap just to sit on the bench and eat Nachos.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

My ideal trade for Beno

If we could talk Orlando into trading Gortat for him that would be awesome. They could use another pg since Nelson is out and Gortat wants out of Orlando anyway. This would help both teams and I am pretty sure they both have almost identical contracts.

Grant Napier is a Ginger, he can't help it that he's annoying.

by Dastardly D on Dec 13, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions  

yes i like

Gortat, but i think with JJ and Jason they have the PG under control until Nelson gets back, but i’m kind of a Redick Homer, and i feel he can be a great 6the or 7th man to a good team.

by shadowchicken on Dec 13, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Does JJ get pg minutes? I thought he was pretty strictly a sg but I havn’t seen a whole lot of Orlando games so I don’t know

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by Dastardly D on Dec 13, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Jason W is 40 years old

:)

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by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Gortat would be ideal - I agree

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

JJ plays PG every now and then but has shown hes a good passer and can play sum D.could the kings get maybe Camby?for Noc or Garcia

by White Chocolate on Dec 13, 2009 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

I voted 'Only if we can something tangible (like interior defensive help) in return'

BUT I honestly think it’s too early to think trade with Beno cos alot depends on the play of Sergio, rather than waiting for Martin to come back. If he proves himself reliable then you have a backup PG which makes Beno more expendable.

As a team going forward the Kings absolutely NEED somebody who can D up the opposition bigs effectively. However, I don’t feel that we should trade for a 4/5 defensive specialist with no offense cos he’sonly gonna come of the bench in spurts and I think we need an all rounder who can alter/block shots as well as make his man work on D.

by Error on Dec 13, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

Trade him for this guy:

The only player I’d want to trade Beno for is Wabeno.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Dec 13, 2009 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

Nimrod alert!

What is this Wabeno reference that keeps coming up anyway? I mean, other than a town in Wisconsin.

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by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 6:53 PM PST reply actions  

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/11/9/1123257/introducing-wabeno-udrih

Click on the link below the picture of Wabeno for more extensive knowledge.

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by LaBradford on Dec 13, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer my 2009 'WarBeno' variation

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Wario, Wabeno

Still a bit lost on me, but OK. I’ll stop asking.

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

WarBeno!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for clarifying

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by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

: )

Its like Mario the Nintendo video game hero, but Wario is grittier. So Wabeno is to Beno as Wario is to Mario.

Its just a joke that there’s two versions of Beno—the one we saw last year, and the fantastic, untradeable one this year.

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by LaBradford on Dec 13, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The question is: if you were to trade Beno, what would you want, best possible scenario?

1 – to get rid of his contract and a similiar financial commitment should the talent be similiar
2- What is the Kings weakness? The frontcourt. One 5, one 4, and a bunch of 3.5s and some 3s. An interior defender, someone to block shots and to put a big body on the other teams’ big body. Offense – someone to make shots when Evans can’t drive and Martin is injured.

Blake is a more experienced version of Sergio. This years’ Sergio on the Kings is like last years’ Beno on the Kings in comparison. He is much better on this squad than the Nate McMillan Blazers.
Acquiring Blake is a salary dump. Patty Mills is a thinner Jonny Flynn, I like the known – again, advantage El Magico as I don’t see Patty Mills getting much playing time, last, Dante Cunningham – 6’8" 230 – too much like Brockman’s size but without the cakes, and too confusing to have Donté and Dante on the same team.

In short, Beno is playing to his contract level of value, great time to trade him, but I would like to see something added as well as subtracted (his financial commitment). Beno allows some thoughts of greed on his trade. Blake would be dependable but underwhelming.

Pass and wait for something better. But tempting.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 13, 2009 6:53 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Trade him

I think we have a good thing going with Sergio right now. Why have 2 quality back-up PGs, with one currently valued at MLE price, while the other can be had for roughly $2 mil/season? When Beno gets relegated back to severely reduced minutes, after Martin’s return, he won’t have nearly as much value that he has now.

Trade him, then pick up a decent player to help the Kings in an area they need help in. …No need to keep an overload of players at the wings.

by CloudyEyes on Dec 13, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

no guarantee Sergio is here next year

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m really doubtful another team would be searching to sign Sergio and get into a bidding war over him… especially after the free agency of 2010. Even if Sergio left, the Kings would still have plenty of wingmen to fill in the gaps.

by CloudyEyes on Dec 13, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Wingmen?

PGs, you need PGs. Thats why Beno got so much money everyone bitches about and now we’re talking like we can afford to take a chance of being down to just Tyreke.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me put it this way...

Udrih is doing great right now. Will everyone be saying the same thing when his minutes get cut down to 15 to 20 mins – and will those 15 to 20 mins of play be worth 6mil of cap/season? Could that cap money be better spent, especially in the financial situation the Maloofs are in now?

by CloudyEyes on Dec 14, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I said wait for Kmart

Because if Beno keeps playing like this, he deserves at least a few votes for 6th man of the year.

BTW for those wondering, GBU will drop later tonight, work and studying for finals has taken priority.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 13, 2009 7:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Well, you better set those priorities straight then

No one here really cares about work or studying for finals.

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by edm7 on Dec 13, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I said wait for Kmart

Because if Beno keeps playing like this, he deserves at least a few votes for 6th man of the year.

BTW for those wondering, GBU will drop later tonight, work and studying for finals has taken priority.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 13, 2009 7:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Once more with feeling, please

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by My Losing Season on Dec 13, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I'm glad you got your priorities straight

We all hope work is going well and good luck with finals

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by edm7 on Dec 13, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

How much is Beno worth?

If the average player makes about $5.85 million a year and there are 15 players on each roster and the average player thus plays 16 minutes a game, would it be fair to conclude that a guy who makes $5.85 million and plays 16 minutes a game with a (so they say) average PER of 15 is fair value?

If so, how much is Beno worth playing 30 minutes a game with a PER of 17.3?

If X / $5.85M = 30*17.3 / 16*15, X = $12.65M a year.

So is Beno a bargain?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 13, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions  

LeBron

By the same criteria, LeBron would be the most valuable NBA player based on 37.7 minutes per game and a PER of 29.8, giving him a value of $27.38 million per year.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 13, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions  

With CP3 following closely behind at 25.87 million a year

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 13, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I say we trade Cisco

Sorry, I know the guy is a fan favorite (inexplicitly), but he is the odd man out when its all said and done. I would take Beno over Cisco right now, age and talent wise. As well as position wise. Cisco is the last thing this team needs. Another outside 3 point shooter with little upside, who is 6 years older than Greene or Casspi, stealing there minutes. Garcia is the salary dump we need to be a player in free agency, not beno.

by mike murray on Dec 14, 2009 12:38 AM PST reply actions  

3 Letters.. BYC..Too hard to trade him unless someone really wants Noc or Beno and we force them to take cisco too, or in some kind of huge salary dump deal. I am not even sure how MYC works but from other trusted opinions around here they say no

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by Widowwolf on Dec 14, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Inexplicably?

I’m going to guess that’s what you were trying to write. The guy’s a favorite because he gives it his all on the court, something that most guys weren’t doing for the past few years (hard to say that about this years squad though).

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by Aykis16 on Dec 14, 2009 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah thats the word I was looking for

Been a long night, and the neighbors fire alarm is keeping me up.

Garcia may give it all he gots, but how much really is that? Is he a playoff calibar guy? Is he a guy that is so far ahead of Casspi and Greene that you are willing to take their minutes to give to a 27 year old (soon to be 28) with career averages of 9.1 and 3 (with career bests of 12.7 and 3.4)?

The point is, if we are looking to make a move to get a free agent this offseason, and Cisco is sitting there at 28 yrs old, a terrible long term contract, and two 21 year old sf’s that are already as talented, have 1,000,000 times more potential, and a much cheaper rookie scale contract, are we really going to hold onto the guy for sentimental value?

 He gives it his all, and thats good enough on a 17 win team, but to be a contender we need more. Keep Beno, as he is needed more positionally on our roster, and lose the unncessary and costly Garcia.

by mike murray on Dec 14, 2009 2:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's take a look
Keep Beno, as he is needed more positionally on our roster, and lose the unncessary and costly Garcia.

I agree, but I am also willing to let Westphal sort out any potential roster and PT logjams. We have marveled at the magic he has worked with this roster. Who knows, maybe Cisco is a 20-point a night scorer under Westphal’s tutelage. Let’s take a look and see what he delivers when he comes back.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 14, 2009 7:34 AM PST reply actions  

Cisco's contract is about right...if he could stay healthy

By all accounts, Cisco is the consumate profesional. He recognizes that he is lucky to be in the league and he works his a$$ off to stay here. To me, a comparable player to him would be James Posey. They work hard of defense, have the ability to spread the floor with a 3pt shot, and they do not wilt in the heat of the spotlight in end game situations. Yes; you want a player like that on a playoff calibur team, and the going rate for a player like that is $5-6 mil.

Having said that, I have a hard time seeing where he will fit in our rotation too. Noc could play exclusively at the 4, and Greene/Casspi/Garcia all can back up the 2. There is just not enough minutes for everyone to get significant playing time.

by markdog333 on Dec 14, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions  

Exactly

He would be a great sf coming off the bench, IF:
-We didn’t have youth at the position, who are as good, if not better than Cisco.
-We didn’t have to cut salary to be a player in the free agent market
-Or the game was like 70 minutes long, or we could play 6 players on the court at a time.

Just too many SF’s on our roster, and Cisco is the odd man out age and skill wise (Casspi rookie season better than Ciscos best, and Donte is proving to be more of a defensive and offensive threat than CIsco).

 Theres my vote. -Keep Wabeno, cut salary by moving Garcia.

by mike murray on Dec 14, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Trade him now

1. I think he’s playing over his head somewhat. He’s never been this good for any stretch of time.

2. Sergio’s PER is actually higher, and while he doesn’t shoot like Beno, Rodriguez brings something no one else on the roster does.

3. You can’t justify paying both Beno and Sergio, once you figure Sergio will be getting some sort of raise ($3M a year?). Sergio should be cheaper, is younger, and again, has talents not replicated on this roster.

That said, I think you pray Beno keeps it up, and you wait until the summer. Not a lot of PGs up for grabs this free agency period. All the stars are forwards and shooting guards. If Beno is still playing well and the cap/tax come in not-as-bad-as-expected, you could find an audience while ensuring you’ve locked up Sergio.

by Tom Ziller on Dec 14, 2009 8:24 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Wait

Trade him now And wait for summer?
I think everyone is conflicted on this. I’d like to see Sergio some more against some better teams ( I do think the change of pace he brings is very valuable to this squad) and am absolutely sure that you don’t move Beno unless you have Sergio locked up at a reasonable price – which can’t happen until summer.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 14, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm saying

I’d be fine with selling high now. But I think it’d be most prudent to let the season shake out and pray he keeps it up.

by Tom Ziller on Dec 14, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds good -

So long as Beno is not part of some elaborate Joe and Gavin Madoff ponzi scheme.

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by section214 on Dec 14, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

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