This weeks Asinine Trade Thread: Dec 14
by lietothegirls on Dec 14, 2009 12:17 PM PST
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This is the place for your well thought out trade idea!
This is also the place for all your pipe dreams, or for some wacky ill-advised nonsense just because the numbers match up in that Trade Machine Thingy.
Trade for players you love, trade away players you hate. Just trade to make the team better without regard to emotion - or make it all about emotion.
HINT: Think big man, young and developing, big time Stud - or short term enough so that you won't be crushed by "that kills our future flexibility!" comments.
But actually - do whatever you want!
Thats what this is here for, to keep other posts from wandering into 'I think we could get LaBron!'.Out-think Geoff Petrie!
Please out-think Mike Dunleavy and anyone ever associated with the Clippers.
You never know, you may gain wide acclaim and Fame for your brilliant move!
Surgeon General Warning: Only abstinance provides full protection.
Your choice - let 'er rip!
ESPN trade machine link is below
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Mmkay, just an idea for the snadbox:
Martin, Casspi, and Hawes to Minnesota for Jefferson, Pecherov and their 1rst rounder.
We get inside help, they get help in the wings. We’re giving up a lot, but we get a phenomenal young Center and 2 first rounders next year.
It’s next to impossible, but it would help both teams with their respective weaknesses.
Feel free to call me a genius.
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This is a pretty lateral move
Our offense is already great and this probably makes our offense worse without making our defense better
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No simply because I hate AL J
He will never play on a winning team unless it’s overloaded with defensive talent.
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YEah I'm starting to come to that conclusion
….he’s beginning to look more and more like he’ll have Shareef Abdur-Rahim type career.
We give up too much in this trade I think.
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Way too much.
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too many Pecherov jokes
I can’t approve this.
But the Kings will be giving up either the 1st or 2nd spot in the lottery odds in this fairly good draft, and you get Zach Randolph remission version – a set double double in Big Al. Not a bad trade. But you have to knock your Pecherov addition.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 14, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the more I think about the less I like it, but that's why it is in the Asinine Trade Thread.
I’m hoping I’ve been hanging around here long enough that nobody took me serious about the genius thing, lol
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 14, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
I got it all figured out
We trade:
1) Noc and Beno to the Cavs for Lebron
2) Spencer Hawes to NJ for Brook Lopez
3) Garcia and K9 to Utah for Boozer
Reasons other teams do this:
1) Ohio hates Lebron
2) Lopez hates NJ (Well, that is beleivable)
3) Boozer and Utah hate eachother (We know thats true)
This give us a lineup of:
1)Reke
2)Martin
3)Lebron
4)Boozer
5)Lopez
It works on the trade machine. Just saying. :D
Get it done GP. This is my asinine trade of the week. Thank you. Please note sarcasim.
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
I don't know what "sarcasim" is, but I say no.
As everyone knows, I dislike LeBron and feel that he would destroy the King’s franchise.
That Boozer guy though, he seems like a class act.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 14, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Nice...I looked it up and realized I have alwats spelled it wrong
That deserves a lol
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
Yeah, I just figured you had accidentally hit the key.
I just figured I would run with it though, haha
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 14, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I wish it was that simple.
I just don’t know how to spell well. Oh well
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
W-e-l-l
But it looks like you got it right, twice. ;p
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 19, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Asinine and excellent
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 14, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Not enough for Beno
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by edm7 on Dec 14, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for how strange that sounded after last year
I’ve been watching and trumpeting his good play but
- it still rings strangely in my ears
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 14, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Rodriguez, Brockman and Udoka for
Robertson, Olajuwon, Olowakandi expiring contract.
I feel that we can build around Robertson and Olujawon, even though one of them isn’t a pure PG, and the other is a finesse center (WE NEED TO INTIMIDATE ON THE INSIDE). We let Olowakandi expire to make room for Wade.
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Also, draft rights to Wall.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 14, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Aykis16 trade of the Week
3 team trade between Sacramento, Chicago, and Cleveland
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ye977dv
Sacramento trades Spencer Hawes, Kenny Thomas, Sergio Rodriguez
Sacramento gets Joakim Noah, Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Chicago trades Joakim Noah, Luol Deng
Chicago gets Kenny Thomas, Spencer Hawes, 2010 First Round Draft Pick from Cleveland
Cleveland trades Zydrunas Ilgauskas, 2010 First Round Draft Pick from Cleveland
Cleveland gets Luol Deng, Sergio Rodriguez
Sacramento does this trade because it gives them a really athletic and energetic C/PF combo of Noah and Thompson, who are both excellent rebounders. Noah is also an excellent interior defender. Ilgauskas is an expiring, but in the meanwhile he can provide added depth at the Center position.
Chicago does this trade because it wants to rid itself of Luol Deng’s horrendous contract and give itself even more money for the 2010 free agent market. Noah is considered better than Hawes at the moment, but Hawes is the more offensively skilled player, and has the potential to be a solid, although not excellent interior defender. They also get a late first rounder in next years draft from Cleveland.
Cleveland does this because they don’t think they have what it takes to go all the way (as evidenced by them trying to get Stephen Jackson). Deng provides solid defense and another offensive weapon, and Rodriguez is a valuable backup point guard who will have the best target in the world, LeBron James.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 14, 2009 7:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This is not bad at all Aykis
Not at all. It’d really come down to how much Chicago really wants to get rid of Deng’s contract an go all in for the summer and get someone like Bosh. I think it’s definitely Chicago the team that thinks about it the most
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And they really do need to do something
Because they’re very disappointing at the moment. Talent wise, they lose on this trade, but they’d probably end up with a top 5 pick in this draft, and enough money to sign a guy like Bosh or Amar’e. Then all they need is a coach that will actually let them run and they’ll be contenders for a while.
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Interesting,
but I prefer Hawes/Thomas/Sergio to Noah/Ilgauskas. Noah is interesting, but he’s not exactly a good offensive player either.
"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."
by CaliforniaJag on Dec 14, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Assinine trade:
Martin and Evans to the Lakers
Brockman to the Grizzlies
Marc Gasol, Vujacic, Walton and Morrison to the Kings
This must happen
This trade works! It fits the rules: All Gasol trades must benefit the Lakers. The Grizz stay beneath the cap. It is totally awesomely Assinine
WARNING!
Asinine protective sheild has failed!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 14, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The day
Sasha Vujabitch becomes a King is the day I quit the game of basketball
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by edm7 on Dec 14, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Dammit, I can only rec once??!?!??
"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."
by CaliforniaJag on Dec 14, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'd do it
But I dont think the $akers are getting enough for Vujabic
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
I adjusted this trade for Chris (call me Kwill) Wallace and edm( I like his 'doo)7
Lakers get Evans Martin
Memphis gets Jon Brockman
Kings get Marc Gasol, Morrison, Walton, DJ Mbenga
by betweentheeyes on Dec 14, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
That makes more sense
It’s about time you got your act together
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
I own a gun
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 14, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
ha! my brain is wrapped in Kevlar
from the inside!
by betweentheeyes on Dec 14, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'll aim lower.
Lot lower. You’ll never have sex again lower.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
BTW
What is with the Chris Wallace reference? Don’t get it?
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
I had Memphis on my mind
and you had a pro-Lakers comment. And my brain kevlar was wrapped too tightly, other than that – I don’t know why. not personal. I don’t think you are Chris Wallace. really.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 14, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
No problemo
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
I would consider this
Kevin Martin & Spencer Hawes for Kevin Love & Johnny Flynn. Minny starts Sessions, Martin, Brewer, Al Jeff, & Hawes. It gives minny the scoring 2 gaurd that they need & Sessions can fill the void until Rubio comes over. We start flynn, Tyreke, Donte/Noce/Casspi, Love, & JT. We would have 2 good rebounder/scorers up front & Flynn would play better in P-dubs system I’m sure. I don’t know if I would do this but that’s what this thread is for right?
by allbenji's on Dec 14, 2009 7:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Only if it adds up in the trade machine
pretty confidant that one doesn’t.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 14, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Not even close
K-Mart makes more than Flynn and Love combined.
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My bad
I didn’t use the trade machine I wasn’t sure how difficult it would be on mobile & frankly I’ve never tried. I just figured Love & Flynn being high draft pick should make maybe 4-5 mil each wich would mean a throw in on minny’s part don’t they still have mark blounts expiring?
by allbenji's on Dec 14, 2009 8:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Trade machine approved version:
Martin, Hawes, Brockman for
Love, Flynn, Cardinal
I’d be Ok with this.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 14, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Or substitute Brockness with Rodriguez. I think that one would be better.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 14, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
We get a butt load of young talent, and... Cardinal. (he's expiring though!)
They get a lightning backup PG, a lights out shooter, and a quality young center.
Mostly allbenji’s idea, so direct all credit (or vitriol) to him!
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 14, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
The problem I see with this
is that it would move Reke to SG and though I understand the concept, Reke needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Flynn also needs the ball in his hands to run a team.
That’s why Speed fits with Reke in the backcourt, he doesn;t need to dominate the ball to be effective. This is also why Reke fits as a PG alongside Martin. If we think Reke is truly a superstar in the making (and I know it’s really early) then we should start building around him by getting players that complement his skills.
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That would be my main concern
with trading Martin for Flynn. I was just reading on the T-wolves blog & it seemed like Minny fans were somewhat down on the combo of Love & Al Jeff & I would like to see what Love could do with Jt under Westphal’s system & I’ve always liked Flynn. I actually wanted Flynn over everyone except BG. Good thing I’m not the GM. I personally can’t wait to see the Tyreke/Martin backcourt but I know to get someone like Love Martin would have to be included.
by allbenji's on Dec 14, 2009 9:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'd give them Hawes and Donte' (maybe) for Love
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 14, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't
I think Love is a great player, but like All Jeff you’ll need alot of defense around him to make him worth it.
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I'm 100% with you ed
Kevin Martin is almost the perfect complimentary player to Evans. I think the Kings front office truly believes that Kevin Martin and Tyreke Evans can be the best backcourt in the NBA in a year or two. Looking around at NBA rosters, I only see a few backcourts that could possibly match up well with them: Rodney Stuckey and Rip Hamilton in Detroit, Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen in Boston, Jrue Holiday and Andre Iguodala in Philadelphia, and Russell Westbrook and Thabo Sefalosha in OKC. Of those, only Philly and OKC look to have that backcourt for years to come. And none of those backcourts offer as much trouble to the Kings on the offensive end.
With Tyreke’s ability to penetrate, Kevin won’t be forced to sacrifice his body trying to carry the team. He’ll benefit from teams either doubling Tyreke and leaving him open, or teams putting they’re worse or shorter backcourt player on him. Kevin plays really well off the ball, is a ridiculously efficient and accurate shooter and I just think that this pairing is a match made in heaven.
Honestly, what team would look forward to playing against Tyreke Evans and Kevin Martin?
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None
That’s just two weapons ready to score 30 if your let them. On paper they complement each other so well, it’s just a matter of executing on the court and I have no doubt that they will make it work (it may just take a couple games).
I have dreams of Reke driving to the hoop, drawing all the attention and kicking it out to Speed for a clutch 3. Reke is special, but add a healthy Kevin to the equation, and then you truly have SPECIAL
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Hopefully Reke
remembers the part about “kicking it out to Speed for a clutch 3” and doesn’t go 1 on 5 instead.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 14, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I love how you kill the vibe
Great job!!
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Sorry for the reality check
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Which reality?
The one where you have the Kings making the playoffs this year?
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Yeah
It’s not the one stuck in last year.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Heaven forbid that people don't think this is a 45 win team.
I mean, what would could they possibly think that a 17 win team, that got younger, which doesn’t usually create immediate success in of itself, could possibly only win 30 games. I mean, the nerve of these people.
If you’re going to be original, be original CC.
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Ohh yes
I forgot we are making the playoffs the year after being the worst team in the league. How dare ed have realistic expectations!!! Talk about a reality check…
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You guys have fun in the gutter
It’s a good thing we have a coach that aspires to more than some lowball win target.
As far as I can tell, I’ve said the Kings are going to make the playoffs exactly once this year. Since then I’ve been very conditional — if they do this and that, they can be a playoff contender this season, if not, they will be when they do those things. If you want to nail me to the cross for that, go for it.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Are you calling both of them together SPECIAL K?
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
In the spirit of us needing a big
Noc for Camby works
Noc and Sergio for Camby and Jordan
K9 for Haywood and Blatche
sorry bout that
The page just closed on me when I hit preview.
I was going to add while the Camby one is a bit far fetched given his age and the fact we do not need cap room. I would also like to see what DeAndre Jordan can do with more p/t and Sergio could do well in LA. I also want badly to clear up Noc’s minutes for the young guys.
The last one is bad for the wizards but maybe they do it for the $$ it saves them or we can toss in Sergio and possibly a 2nd round pick.I think Blatche might thrive if he gets a change of scenery, remember he is only 23 and it looks like he has a reasonable contract. Haywood is having a great year (10.7rebs and 2.2blks) and may be someone to look at with a better offer than this.
Those are some guys to target
I was just going to make a post about Camby. Love Camby, like Haywood. Jordan is the universe’s worst free throw shooter, so that might not be the best idea. Still, a Camby deal would be awesome. We’d probably have to wait until Griffin comes back, but whatever. I’ve always liked Joel Przybilla, but with Oden out he’s probably not going anywhere. Anyway, to get Camby we’d probably have to toss in another piece since Camby only has one year left, but Nocioni has three. Honestly I don’t think they’d be interested strictly because of that.
Amir Johnson would be interesting…young, athletic big man that can play interior defense. He’s inexpensive.
Nocioni and Kenny Thomas for Dalembert and Jason Kapono works. Kapono expires after this year as well as Thomas. It’s $2.5 mil less in expiring contract for this coming offseason, but Dalembert comes off the books a year before Nocioni.
Dalembert
Thompson
Casspi
Greene
Evans
Hawes
Brockman
Kapono/Udoka
Udrih
Rodriguez
When Martin and Garcia come back, they’re easy to plug in:
Dalembert
Thompson
Garcia
Martin
Evans
Hawes
Brockman
Casspi/Kapono/Greene/Udoka
Greene/Udrih/Kapono
Udrih/Rodriguez
"[Sabean] said Kevin Pucetas maintains some value on the trade market, which they take as a positive sign that he’d be a productive option."
by CaliforniaJag on Dec 14, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Noce really only has two left
The third is a team option
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe chris kaman?
As far as Reke & Kev, Kev could be Tyreke’s Scottie Pippin so let’s wait & see
by allbenji's on Dec 14, 2009 9:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I've been visiting this website for about a year & a half
& I need to ask this question. Has anyone every mentioned Martin’s defense in a good or a bad way before last season? When he was riding a bad ankle. I just don’t remember hearing anything about how terrible a defender he is until last season. I could be wrong that’s why I am asking. Kevin has the speed & work ethic to be a good defender it’s just hard for me to believe that a player who works that hard would just disregard the defensive part of his game. But hey I could be wrong.
by allbenji's on Dec 14, 2009 11:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
its only 1 source, but
here is Hollinger’s take
“Scouting report: Martin has never been a good defender, and playing on a bad ankle for a team going nowhere last season made him a particularly bad one. He had more trouble than usual moving laterally and stopping penetration, and his largely invisible weak-side defense became even more so. The Kings were already a terrible defensive team, but they managed to be 4.5 points per 100 possessions worse with Martin on the court. "
and clearly he addressed your idea that the injury affected his defense, and I do agree with you that he is dedicated and hard working, which combined with his quickness, suggests he SHOULD be a better defender. All of which means I expect more from him defensively than I have seen.
Spencer Hawes for Anthony Randolph
I read somewhere that the Warriors are putting Randolph on the trading block and I’ve lost faith that Hawes is going to get any hawesomer. Maybe a change in scenery will help both of them take their respective games to the next level. (Plus, I hate watching Hawes commit to post moves even after he’s been pushed out of post position.)
Wizards Recieve: Noc, Beno, May
Kings Recieve: Caron Butler, A Blatche, JaVale McGee
Beno means they can move Arenas to SG and have a damn good back court , Noc gives them extra depth at 3 spot and scoring May just makes it work(Gives em PF for Blatche)
Works in Trade machine and i believe for both teams.
We are sending out : 14.357 million
Receiving: 14.277 million
IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
2010: We pay 2 million beyond the trade more for Butler, Blatche and Mcgee..I am definitely willing to do this for a great SF, Decent PF and a Decent/Good (Possibly starting?) center.
2011: We lose Caron(unless we resign) but we still have a PF and a C for only 6 million , but this also removes 13.8 million worth of Beno/Noc for a net savings of 7.8 million unless we do resign. By this time we have 2 drafts and plenty more Free agents to go and if Mcgee is showing more promise then Hawes..who knows what we do about him!
Lineups before Kmart and Cisco get back
NAPG Tyreke Evans/Sergio Rodriguez
2 GUARD Donte Greene/Omri Casspi
3 Caron Butler/Kenny Thomas/Jon Brockman
PF Jason Thompson/Andray Blatche
CENTER JaVale McGee/Spencer Hawes
Healthy Lineup
NAPG Tyreke Evans/Sergio Rodriguez
2 GUARD Kevin Martin/Omri Casspi/Francisco Garcia
3 Caron Butler/Donte Greene/Jon Brockman
PF Jason Thompson/Andray Blatche/Kenny Thomas
CENTER JaVale McGee/Spencer Hawes
I will take that team in a heartbeat..Thats just me, I could be wrong!
Judgment day is coming!
This would be a huge coup for the Kings.
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Butler is an All-Star level SF
McGee is a young big with potential, Blatche was showing flashes of awesome before Jamison came back.
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This would be great
Just yesterday I was thinking about trying to make a move for Butler and one of the Wizards’ bigs
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Go Kings!
i kinda think Butler is the last guy they would trade
I think Jamison is overpaid, but would be useful. I would trade K9, May and Nocioni for Jamison and Haywood.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 15, 2009 11:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wow
just wow…. i really like this. However, I don’t think it happens. I’m not too familar with the Wizards’ situation, but judging b the way they traded the #5 pick to dump some contracts and save some money, and based on their record I would think the Wiz would be in cost cutting mode. I’m not sure they give up one of their key guys and nice youngsters to pay $40 million for Beno Udrih and Andres Nocioni. For something like this to be done it would probably require a pick, a youngster, and KTEC.
Maybe something like this:
K9
Nocioni – Noc over Beno because his salary goes down each year, plus the last year is a team option rather than Beno’s player option
Top 3 protected – With Butler I don’t think we’re a lottery team anymore, and if we are we’re towards the bottom of it anyway. If we get lucky we keep the pick. If not, the Wiz get it.
Omri/Donte/Spencer – They’ll want a talented youngster and we’re obviously not giving up JT
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Whole point
Whole point of trade is to get them a good PG so that Arenas can move to SG, thats why Beno is there, and would not really work any other way. BTW the reason I thought if this is due to THIS ARTICLE
so here is new proposal for them:
Wizards Recieve: K9, Beno, 2nd round pick (Maybe a first not sure though, i think this gives us enough good young talent that we could give it to them to push trade through)
Kings Recieve: Caron Butler, A Blatche, JaVale McGee
Beno means they can move Arenas to SG and have a damn nice team with a line up of Beno, Arenas, Foye, Jamison and Haywood, while shedding off another 9 million next year in K9’s contract, and enough cash for the pick.
Works in Trade machine and i believe for both teams.
We are sending out : 14.806 million
Receiving: 14.277 million
Saving ourselves about .5 million
IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
2010: We pay 8.768 million beyond the trade more for Butler, Blatche and Mcgee.but we would have probably spent this anyways for some for K9 anyways in any trade. I am definitely willing to do this for a great SF, Decent PF and a Decent/Good (Possibly starting?) center.
2011: We lose Caron(unless we resign) but we still have a PF and a C for only 6 million , but this also removes 7 million worth of Beno for a net savings of 1.25 million unless we do resign. By this time we have 2 drafts and plenty more Free agents to go and if Mcgee is showing more promise then Hawes..who knows what we do about him!
Lineups before Kmart and Cisco get back
NAPG Tyreke Evans/Sergio Rodriguez
2 GUARD Donte Greene/Omri Casspi
3 Caron Butler/Nocioni/Jon Brockman
PF Jason Thompson/Andray Blatche
CENTER JaVale McGee/Spencer Hawes
Healthy Lineup
NAPG Tyreke Evans/Sergio Rodriguez
2 GUARD Kevin Martin/Omri Casspi/Francisco Garcia
3 Caron Butler/Donte Greene/Nocioni
PF Jason Thompson/Andray Blatche/Jon Brockman
CENTER JaVale McGee/Spencer Hawes
Judgment day is coming!
Is Beno really an upgrade over Caron?
The Wizards are already underperforming with Caron as it is. I don’t think Beno’s necessarily better. Although he might be a better fit since he can distribute the ball more and still score some when needed. I’m totally for the trade, especially the original one with Noc but I don’t think it happens.
Also, the pick should be top 3 protected. The lottery only picks the teams who get the first 3 picks. So top 5 protection won’t matter for our team that’s not in a position to get the 4th or 5th pick.
www.mancancook.net
True, but i think with Beno being the Point guard, and Arenas having to focus on having to dish out assists, but he can just use his quickness and get open. Read this article and you will see why i saw this deal working : ARTICLE
Something’s not right with the Wizards. They figured to be one of the most improved teams in basketball, mainly because His Quirkiness, Gilbert Arenas, was declared physically fit and ready to go after missing virtually two seasons. They also hired Flip Saunders, a rather mild-mannered coach who doesn’t rub his players the wrong way. And the core of the Wizards — Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Butler — all seemed to be on or near the top of their game.
But a month into the season, Washington is looking dreadful some nights, functional on others, never dropping hints that 50 wins are possible. Worse, some players are getting snippy. And you know what’s really bad? They can’t trade Arenas because his money owed would take care of the Federal deficit.
They could find a landing spot for Butler, however, because his salary is manageable and he’s much better than he’s showing now. One scout said the Wizards should get a point guard and move Arenas to the 2-spot, thereby reducing his overwhelming responsibilities. Your move, Wizards.
this is why it would work. And agreed on top 3 now that you say it that way..Damn you and your making sense!
Judgment day is coming!
I think my issue with your idea
is that I’m having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that Beno’s trade value is Caron Butler
www.mancancook.net
beno plus expiring K9 due to them trying to get under budget, that and them having issues and guys not working well toghther
Judgment day is coming!
This is a great deal
We give up all the crap on our roster essentially, and get all the players on Washington anyone would want.
Nice deal if we can get it, lol.
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Preface by saying
that I actually have no interest in parting with Kevin Martin, at least until we have gotten a good look at how he works with Tyreke Evans (which I think will be beyond great).
Kevin Martin+Kenny Thomas
for
Chris Bosh+Marco Bellinelli
Obviously Bosh would have to commit to a few years. I think he would.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
We'd have his bird rights
and there’s no way he gives up the last year and $20 million we’d be able to offer him to stay on a really talented young team that contends with him here
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Here
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yarx4sc
Kings get: Chris Bosh, Marco Bellinelli
Toronto gets: Kevin Martin, Spencer Hawes, and Kenny Thomas
Also, can anyone find a way to get Anthony Randolph, he is a player that Paul Westphal could get to in my opinion.
Hope
Bellinelli...
has a sweet shot. He may have the most effortless 3 point stroke in the NBA. But if he scores you 20, he will give up 30. If he scores 10, he give up 20. You get the idea. No thanks.
It isn't about Bellinelli,
it’s about Bosh. If you get Bosh, you figure out the shooting guard position. The parts may already be here.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
I don't think Hawes would have to be part of this,
but maybe. The thing is, at the point where this might take place, it is a matter of getting something in return for losing Bosh to free agency. And kevin Martin is really an attractive target. Kenny Thomas provides the cap relief. Done.
Randolph is quite an athlete. But I just think he’s going to be in the head-case mold of Noah and the other Lopez. I’d like to avoid the House of Flying Daggers just when things are coming together. He’s not a “can’t live without” guy, so he’s not worth the risk, in this opinion.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
Huge 4 way trade: Here we go
Bulls receives: Jarret Jack
Raptors receive: Noc, Kmart and Tyrus Thomas
Wizards Recieve: K9, Udrih
Kings Recieve: Caron Butler, A Blatche, JaVale McGee, Chris Bosh
Imagine the kings with this lineup
NAPG Tyreke Evans / Sergio Rodriguez
2 Caron Butler / Donte Greene / Ime Ufoka
3 Omri Casspi / Francisco Garcia / Jon Brockman
PF Chris Bosh / Jason Thompson / Andray Blatche
C JaVale McGee / Spencer Hawes
YES PLEASE!
Judgment day is coming!
Stop smoking
K9 and udrih for Butler, Blatch and McGee? Never
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Non-Kings related
Andre Miller and a pick for Gortat?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
The only thing i don't get
from reading everything here, is that everyone is willing to Trade hawes, saying that the other team gets a good young center with some low post moves and that in the next 3 years can come into his own….so why don’t we keep him?
he’s not great for this team due to our PF not being a “Great” low post defender. Hawes needs to be on a team where a PF is willing to do all the stuff the center should be doing, Low post defense, rebounding and blocking shots..JT is great but not enough to make up for Hawes
Judgment day is coming!
I know people get tired of hearing this,
but I still think it’s way too early to pass judgment on the limitations of our bigs.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
All i am sayign is JT is one year behind spence and hes way more productive at the PF position with 1 year less nba time. I am saying we dont need to give up on him, but at least get him a mentor ..right now hes just (Right)winging it..Damn all those 3 point shots!
Judgment day is coming!
Please
Spencer is:
a better post defender than JT
a better shot blocker
a better defensiver rebounder (20% DRB% vs. 18.9 career)
two years younger.
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Better by 2 block’s, i think it should be a bit higher then this considering height and the fact that hes a center.
Not sure where you got your stats from but per NBA stats Hawes has had 654 defensive rebounds in 166 games, where as JT has had 494 defensive rebounds in 103 games.
Spencers avg:3.94 DEF RPG VS JT’s avg:4.79 DEF RPG
2009-2010 stats
PLAYER NAME,TEAM GP MPG OFF DEF REB RPG RP40
Jason Thompson , SAC 22 34.0 79 122 201 9.1 12.9
Spencer Hawes , SAC 21 28.4 43 92 135 6.4 10.9
Well lets check NBA.com 2009-2010 stat charts for Western conference
How About: Double Double’s : JT #15, Spencer #34 -Nope
How about Per:: Jt #21, Spencer #57 -Nope
Maybe FG shooting JT: 17, Hawes #26 -Nope
FT: : Spence: #35 , JT #45 -Spencer does have this ONE
Scoring Leaders: JT: #35, Spencer #51 -Nope
Assists: JT #47, Spence #60 -Nope
Turnovers: Same % -Same
Hmm seems like JT would be better way to go : Spencer doesn’t like to bang under the boards: Not a good mindset for a Center in the NBA..Please I would rather have JT play Center then Hawes. The only thing that sucks abotu JT is his fouls and for a 2nd year player, he is getting better.
Judgment day is coming!
Its a nice list of stats
unfortunately it doesn’t relate to my post at all. I didn’t say Spencer was a better player, I said he’s better at some things related to defense.
You said “Low post defense, rebounding and blocking shots..JT is great but not enough to make up for Hawes”
To reiterate:
Spencer’s a better post defender because he doesn’t foul as much, though admittedly he’s been torched for the last week or so. Our coaches clearly think he’s a better post defender though.
He blocks more shots.
I used career Defensive Rebound % rather than Rebounds per Game because it normalizes playing time. Sure, you can make a reasonable case JT is as good a defensive rebounder as Hawes, but you can’t make one he’s tons better.
JT is definitely further along. He’s defnitely playing better for the last week or two, though he’s a long ways off where he was earlier in the season. But claiming he’s great on defense and Hawes is bad, is just laughable.
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
I know I'm a few days behind on this one...
I’m pretty sure he said that JT was NOT a good low post defender and that the Kings needed to trade Hawes for someone who could make up for JT’s weaknesses in that area. That doesn’t sound laughable to me.
by Pollard4LIfe on Dec 20, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
LOL...
Miami realizes D-Wade won’t resign…
To Sacramento – Dwayne Wade, James Jones, Mike James (expiring)
To Miami – Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas (expiring), Donte Greene, JaVale McGee
To Washington – Andres Nocioni
1 – Evans, Udrih, Rodriguez
2 – Wade, Garcia, Udoka
3 – Casspi, Jones
4 – Thompson, May
5 – Hawes, Brockman
IR – James
Miami gets quite a bit back for the Flash: Martin, a large expiring, AND two nice young prospects in Greene and McGee. They also get rid of Jones’ bad contract…
Washington gets some added depth at the 3/4 behind Butler and Jamison and a player in Nocioni that doesn’t mind coming off the bench. And all they give up are two guys who aren’t playing anyway – and they’ve already committed to Blatche, making McGee more expendable.
Sacramento – How do you defend a backcourt with both Evans and Wade? By removing both Nocioni and Greene you give Casspi more playing time as your future 3. James, Udoka, and Garcia can all play the SF as well. Of course, getting rid of Nocioni and Martin’s contracts will make it easier to resign Wade in the summer (and James’ contract is expiring).
Asinine I know, but that’s the idea…;)
one over that
Wizards Recieve: Noc, Udrih, May
Kings Recieve: D. Wade, Caron Butler, A Blatche, JaVale McGee, Mike James
Heat get : K9 and Kmart
Our new lineup!
1 – Evans, Rodriguez, James
2 – Wade, Greene, Garcia
3 – Butler, Casspi, Udoka
4 – Thompson, Brockman
5 – Mcgee, Hawes
Judgment day is coming!
Trade Idea
From ESPN trade machine but link doesn’t work: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yarx4sc
King receive: Brandon Jennings, Andrew Bogut, Dan Gadzuric, Kyrylo Fesenko, AK47
King give up: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia, Spencer Hawes, Kenny Thomas, Sean May, Andres Nocioni
Bucks receive: Carlos Boozer, Spencer Hawes, Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia
Bucks give up: Andrew Bogut, Brandon Jennings, Dan Gadzuric, Michael Redd
Jazz receive: Michael Redd, Sean May, Kenny Thomas, Andres Nocioni
Jazz give up: AK47, Kyrylo Fesenko, Carlos Boozer
3 centers (Bogut, gadzuric and Fesenko) and 4point guards(reke, beno, sergio and jennings) on our team after this..HUH?
so what we have left is Tyreke, Omri, Donte, Sergio, JT, Udrih and Udoka…3 centers a power foward and a pointguard..Maybe i should make it into a Movie..maybe Uwe Boll can direct it!
Judgment day is coming!
Tyreke can move to the 2 spot
Starting lineup
PG – Jennings
SG – Evans
SF – Greene or AK47
PF – Thompson
C – Bogut
by DougChristieKO on Dec 15, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yes you do that but you lose your advantage there of playing Evans at the 1. When they put Beno in , they generally keep REKE at 1 and beno at 2 for that reason. His speed and height are big advantages against other PG’s. This is same with G.A..
And we still don’t need 3 centers..Why pay out the extra cash and lose good players for a 2nd expensive center when we dont need it.
Judgment day is coming!
And I'm not convinced we're better afterwards
Its close – but no
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, would like to see what Randolph can really do on the Kings
but I think GSW wants a 1st rounder + cash. Don’t think Kings will wanna give up either.
Sergio for Randolph.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
3 way trade
Here we go Kings , GSW, Washington
Warriors get: Spencer, Noc and may
Wizards get: Udrih and Thomas Protected top 3 1st rounder
Kings get: Caron Butler, A. Randolph, Mcgee, Mike James,
And either Azubuike and Turiaf or Biedrens
Get’s us 2 good centers, a backup to JT and one more point guard to play 3rd string and give Sergio more minutes.
Warriors get their back up C, a good 3 and a back up big
Clips get Their PG (to move arenas to 2 guard) and an expiring(Looks like they may want to dump some more salary at end of year like they did last year) and a Protected top 3-1st rounder
Judgment day is coming!
I hate to ask
But since it isn’t about my brilliant thoughts
Could we get some rec’s to keep this up through the weekend?
(its been a truly Asinine one and I hate to see it die)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 12:12 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Sho.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
There you go LTTG
I was trying to delay it a bit so that we can have 27’s post up there as long as possible.
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Since this was created before 27's post
27’s will still be there. It goes into the recommended section based on the most recent written post.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
For example to make this clear Ayksi
Let’s say you write something at 5PM, and it gets rec’d first. I write something at 4:45 pm, but it takes a day to get 5 rec’s. LTTG writes something at 6pm on the same day, and goes up immediately. 27 writes something at 530PM, and goes up immediately, and 214 writes a fanpost at 7pm.
When they’re all recommended, the order will look like this (from earliest to oldest): 214, lttg, 27, Aykis & me (p-guru).
Hope that explains it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yep thats perfect.
Purchase you're tickets to the first ever StR Night at ARCO Arena, 12/28/09 v. the Nuggets. Link is here!
Smartass. :P
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Here's a stupid trade for you
Celtics get: Nocioni
Pacers get: Scalabrine, JR Giddens, Tony Allen, Udrih, K9, and a kitchen sink
Kings get: Dunleavy and Murphy
Obviously, two major “ifs” before even beginning such trade discussions but … “if” the celtics were really interested in Nocioni for the rumored trade earlier and “if” the pacers really are hemorraging as much money as has been rumored, i would think it could be somewhat, maybe, slightly, kinda, sorta, possible? Pacers would have a ton of money off the books next year, kings would be taking on alot the next two years but its around the same amount of money in the long term (and i do not think they are being taxed right now). I mean, sure the celtics probably don’t want to take on nocioni’s salaries and yeah sure the pacers would have something like 5 point guards and get back little talent but … but ….
Ah screw it, i am putting this one in my nba 2k10 franchise.
I like Murphy's stats - but he is an oversized SF
can’t defend the 4 (or 5) but rolls up nice point and rebound numbers. Dunleavy….. the Kings already have injuries at the 3 and again, defense is absent.
Maybe trade Dunleavy and Murphy for Harrington and Jackson… oh wait…
by betweentheeyes on Dec 18, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
One year of glory
At all costs…So assuming Y2K+10 we do this.
We get: Bosh(!), Wade(!), and Lebron(!!)
We lose: Everyone except Evans, Casspi, Thompson, and the untradable Udoka (take it however you so choose to believe).
Sacramento then signs Rod Benson, Master P (make ’em say UHHHHHHHHH! Nah nah nah nah!!!), Charles Oakley (bring him off the bench to club sum fools), Kayte Christensen, and an as-yet-to-be-named-STR forum member for the league minimum to fill up the remaining slots.
Toronto does this because CB ain’t gonna get any in Canada (championships of course). Cleveland does this because they always get to 3rd, but never make it home. Miami does this because…well, because this is an asinine trade thread.
Sacramento does this to win a title, build a new arena, and have STR work the trade machine magic in 2010. Ka-Chow!
here ya go
kmart and hawes and for biedrins and randolph
kmart and hawes would fit nellies game perfectly.
Biedrins already fits it
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Truly asinine!
Here we go
Wizards get Udrih, Hawes and May
Raptors get Martin and Thomas
Warriors get Nocand Garcia and First Round top 3 protected
Kings get Bosh,Butler, D.wade and haywood
And the best part it works in trade machine!
Imagine the starting lineup:
Tyreke > Sergio
D.Wade > Donte > Udoka
Butler > Omri > Brockman
Bosh > Brockman
Haywood > JT
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!! Do it Petrie! Sure to sell out Arco and get some National love
Judgment day is coming!
Noc for Dalembert...
..STRAIGHT UP.
Philly sheds money for the future ltt problems. Kings get out of Noc’s deal early and get a backup to hawes.
Nate Robinson on the trade block
Per this article by Adrian Wojo. He’s healthy, but hasn;t played since Dec. 1 and doesn’t want to become “D’Antoni’s Marbury,” according to his agent.
The article notes that the Kings have been interested in Robinson in the past. I’m not really too interested him, but I’d certainly entertain him as a throw-in in a trade that got us David Lee.
Maybe Kenny, Spencer and Sergio for Lee and Robinson?
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 8:50 PM PST reply actions
Except
that I believe that both Lee and Robinson are unrestricted free agents at the end of the season as a result of signing one year deals. So this could mean Kenny, Spence and Sergio for 3/4 of a season of Lee and Robinson. Not worth it, in my opinion.
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Yes, both are BYC
You’d definitely want to ink Lee to a longer deal to make the thing work.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
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