Post-Game Thread: Kings at Blazers
by Ziller on Dec 15, 2009 9:31 PM PST
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How awful are the Blazers TV announcers?
by Phil Perspective on Dec 15, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions
I had to call my therapist
5 times to calm me down.
Another road loss, Bavetta reffing, missed FT's = Facepalm
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Do you make these, or do you just find these?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Hey wait a minute...
Shouldn’t Orenthal be stabbing the white woman instead of slapping his face?
by Mityt on Dec 15, 2009 9:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Shheeesh
It was there for the taking
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
then they will just foul everyone but kevin?
by Gold Miner 916 on Dec 15, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Really impressed with Evans
The guy knows how to play team basketball. He didn’t show much of the perimeter game, but his body control and ability to finish is top tier.
I think once Beno cooled off the Kings had trouble scoring. Casspi gave great minutes, but was bit slow to guard Bayless in the 4th quarter. The Kings look much better this year and with Kevin Martin coming back, he’ll help the Kings get even better.
Get a solid rebounding and defensive center, I think the Kings are set. Przybilla made a huge difference for the Blazers.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
ALL the difference
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 15, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Strongly disagree
How can we miss 7 of 22 free throws and then point blame at the officials, especially when Portland only got to the line 4 more times than us?
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I was just piling on
it was offense as per below
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
thanks for shutting up that “It was the refs fault” argument!!!!!
by Gold Miner 916 on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Blame Spencer
28 minutes – 4 points and 2 rebounds. Got abused on defense. It’s positively Brad Miller-esque. I’m warming up the bus Spence. You better hold on to something if you don’t want to end up underneath it.
(It’s certainly not ENTIRELY Spencer’s fault, but his lack of production is inexcusable.)
You mean the bad Brad, right?
When Miller first came to Sacramento he was damn good. Fought hard inside, nailed those shots from 16 feet out no problem, passed the ball like a champ.
Brad was fun to watch in those days!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
You wouldn't happen to know Przybill's address would you?
So I can, you know, send him a surprise.
Agreed. Przybilla was the difference.
Well, him and Hawes’ lack of making a difference. Not throwing him under the bus – but this was an abysmal performance by our center.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Interior Defense killed us again.
Noce has to be willing to pass the ball out if he’s being well covered. I like the guy but he is an offensive black hole.
personally
i think it’s the pick and roll defense. it’s atrocious. open jumper after open jumper
by thisismellow on Dec 15, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Spencer + Donte + Noce
7 for 24 FGs
15 PTs
5 total REBS
2 ASST.
versus Tyreke 19/7/3.
Tyreke had more points, rebounds, and assists than 3 starters combined. Tough to overcome when 3 starters produce so little.
by bench_blob on Dec 15, 2009 9:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
the fact that they nearly did overcome it
is rather positive i guess
by thisismellow on Dec 15, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd
Their combined +/- is -66
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Scoring!??
That wasn’t stellar defense out there – we just didn’t run good plays and go AT them in the last 6 minutes
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Kings Lose
Everybody Slap a Pokemon
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by Aykis16 on Dec 15, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I can't get my hands on a Pikachu right now...
Tough economy. But this video does the trick for me:
You know how a mediocre defensive team wins after keeping it close?
SCORING
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
I'm gonna go outside and...do something stupid....
Like throw a dog through a window or something…
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Can the Big Carl make free throws?
Sign him up!
by getPGwithbounce on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM PST reply actions
Can we finally stop with this encouraging loss BS?
I want some encouraging wins.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Or some discouraging wins
that do not involve injury.
by mayfieldcol on Dec 16, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
i also wasn't sure why they were so intent on Tyreke getting it in the post down the stretch
it resulted in him just not getting the ball. I would’ve just liked to see him get it on the perimeter and go to work
tough loss
I really thought the Kings had that game for most of the game. Despite the loss, the Kings obviously have some very nice young talent to build a winner out of. Evans is going to be a great player and Udrih was quite impressive, especially in the first half.
Thanks for letting me hang around today. Sactown Royalty will be worth a return visit.
Gotta say also you guys kept up well in the OGDT. Final Boxscore (unofficial) results—
Blazers Edge - 1415 1027
SactownRoyalty
Best of luck to you guys!
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
Spencer's game is beginning to smell like...
ASS!
Purveyor of Bull Plop
by SayWhat? on Dec 15, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I know this is expected of me
but can I gripe about Spencer taking (and missing) those 20 foot j’s?
What happened to the guy with the array of moves and nice footwork? He’s settling for poor percentage shots when he should be working hard to get a better one, or dish it off and get positioned inside to get an easy shot or an offensive board.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Dec 15, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
At the beginning of the season,
all I wanted was for the last two minutes of the game to matter. This team has delivered that and more this season. But it sure doesn’t make a game like this sting any less for the at least a few hours.
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I can't believe this is just a slump Noc is going through
Would not be surprised to see him get traded soon.
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Not the Kings.
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Bayless hung Casspi out to dry
Strange matchup, but I guess you don’t expect Jerryd Bayless to be the guy that beats you in crunch time. With the Blazers playing a lot of three guard, it was really a spot for Sergio, but Westphal obviously had no confidence in him.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 9:41 PM PST reply actions
Bayless is too quick for Omri.
And you couldn’t exactly put Tyreke on him, he was guarding Roy (pretty well too).
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Bayless is too quick...
Period! The guy has quite a bit to learn at the NBA level, but man, he’s got an incredible first step.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Since the Blazers only have one healthy SF, someone has to be the 3 on offense when a guard is in instead.
Roy doesn’t like to play SF, so Bayless drew that assignment tonight (offensively) despite not being a great off-ball shooter. But instead he had a pretty easy drive to the basket, where he draws fouls like a madman against anybody.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
We will win
our share of close games, but these kids are still very raw. The main thing at this stage is learning from mistakes.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
"It's time for us to take the next step" -
Paul Westphal.
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We should start starting Omri at the 3
In my opinion.
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I agree.
Or at least I’d like to see him get on the floor more than 19 minutes.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Agreed
He was more productive in those 19 minutes than Donte or Noc combined.
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Good
He should be.
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Don't do that
Its the Kings fault they lost, more than the Blazers playing really well.
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don’t matter bro. a loss is a loss.. and on this given night we lost to the blazers.
would u prefer a pic of a blazers logo and kings fans applauding? wtf?
by Gold Miner 916 on Dec 15, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just not seeing a reason to hate on the Blazers.
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i’m just not seeing a reason to defend em
by Gold Miner 916 on Dec 15, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's a bit about learning to lose
and not being disrespectful to other teams fans. I wouldn’t like if another blog posted the same picture after the Kings beat their team. Just my 2 cents
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
Hopefully in a couple of years
we won’t need to know how to lose. Here’s to going 82-0 in 2012. Make it happen Tyreke.
I think is just about showing class
But that’s just my personal opinion.
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
Exactly.
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I agree with ed on this.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
When Cisco gets back
things could get interesting. His intensity could really help the young guys see how it’s done.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
cant wait...
..to see Garcia’s intensity plugged into this young group.
by henryclemente on Dec 15, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
If I ever face a firing squad
I want Hawes, Donte & Noc as the shooters.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
by elfboy_ on Dec 15, 2009 9:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Cold line :)
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
The thing is
(and this is a big Hawes critic saying it), Spencer is a good shooter. Or at least, he can be.
The problem is he’s making really bad shot selections and isn’t getting in position to nail the shots that are in his range. 20 foot jumpers from your center are seldom a real good idea.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Watching this game made me realize he's just a poor man's Aldridge
He has the same shot selection and weapons. The difference is Aldridge is twice the athlete. There’s a chance that Spencer’s athleticism will always haunt him and he won’t be able to put himself in those positions. If that’s the case he will be inconsistent forever. This is really a doomsday scenario though and I hold out hope he’ll figure things out as he grows and become more consistent.
I'm thinking he's having a tough time
getting where he wants to on the floor. If Spencer could get stronger that would help. He’ll never be a very good athlete (NBA-wise), but he should be able to put the talents he does have to their best advantage. It seems he’s getting pushed around out there a lot, and he finds himself way out in the hinterlands, 18-20 feet away from the basket.
Obviously it’s still his fault that he’s taking those shots…
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
That's what I'm trying to get at
If he were able to get stronger he could post people up and work that fading bank shot Timmy and Sheed kill with. The problem is athleticism is something you just can’t teach. It just bothers me because I hate being jealous of the Blazers, but I really am jealous of Aldridge. He’s the player we want Spence to be.
yeah,
I’m pretty sure i haven’t checked in with you on this, hiebtastic, but it’s no secret around here that I’m not the biggest Shawes cheer leader. I’ve said many times that if and when the Kings do become a legit contender, Spencer will be playing elsewhere.
That said, guys like LaMarcus aren’t easy to come by. He was the 2nd overall pick in the draft, I think, right?
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I wasn't aware but I agree
The Blazers commited a lot to Aldridge its true. And its not like they aren’t jealous of some of our assets. They would kill for Tyreke, and both Omri and Donte would help fill out their bench. In a couple of years we’ll find out who has a better young core.
oh, yeah... Tyreke is a goldmine!
With the possible exception of Brandon Roy, he was the most talented player on the court tonight. And within a year or so I may be altering my opinion.
The thing I forget about Tyreke is obviously his physical skills are extremely rare but his on-court experience is minimal. He was only a freshman at Memphis. Before the draft he’d played what? maybe 10 games at the point in Conference USA.?
He’s barely scratched the surface, and that’s pretty exciting
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
This
Once that jump shot starts falling he is ungaurdable. Plus that game changing defense. I know this has been said ad nauseum, but Tyreke is the kind of player we can build a championship team around.
The thing is...
You need a couple more pieces at (or close to) that caliber of player to legitimately compete for the NBA title.
We had Chris Webber (arguably the most naturally gifted hoops talent of his generation), plus Peja, Vlade, AND Mike Bibby, plus a shut down defensive star in Doug Christie, and a great bench but still didn’t quite get there.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Well we didn't get there due to terrible luck
We also have JT who looks like he might be a fringe all star. At least one more lottery pick. Kevin Martin who will be past his best when the Kings are ready but should still be able to drain threes. And whatever Donte and Omri turn into. Still need some big men, but who doesn’t?
With the exception of...
the L*kers, Celtics, Spurs, Bucks, Grizz and Magic, I think the rest of the league is looking for big men who can do it all. I’m still not convinced that Horford is a super center…yet
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Luck and some crooked refs!
Even so, the Lakers had Kobe and Shaq back then, plus Ron Harper, Horry and some other nice role players.
That’s two of the 50 greatest players to ever step on the court. The Kings were the better team but the Lakers were also amazing.
In 2008 the Celtics had Garnett (who’ll be giving a speech in Springfield one day), plus Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo, etc…
The point is, it’s freakin tough to win the NBA championship. You need talent, talent and then a little more talent. Plus a great system that all the egos buy into.
We have a looong way to go, but in Tyreke I think it’s looking safe to say that we have at least one major piece in place to become legit contenders.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
oh yeah!
and he’ll get there too. I’d bet on it.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
It might be sooner than we all think.
Loved his sweeping hook in the paint when he glided in from the left side. Incredible.
He already showed a Beno-style stop and pop from the free throw stripe. I think ’Reke forgets how many weapons he has.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
I want my center to be a good shooter from 4' and be able to board and block shots
I know his shooting ability keeps the other teams big from clogging up the post and draws them out towards the perimeter but still I want our center to play interior d. After that, yeah, being a good shooter would be nice but not absolutely necessary.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
That possession where JT got trapped
and Tyreke has to fling up a three. Bad offense.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 9:44 PM PST reply actions
Very Bad.
Especially with the game on the line.
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"It's as Ann as the nose on plain's face."
by Apoet on Dec 15, 2009 9:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHA
yessss! +++++1 but still sad night..
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 15, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
lol
just as easily could have been Blazer fan. Keep your chin up. The sun will come out tomorrow. There always a silver lining. Uh…. other positive stuff…
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
I'm running the last two minutes of this game in my head
with Kevin Martin and Tyreke Evans on the floor in tandem, while the Blazers try to figure out who Roy is going to cover and who Bayless (or Blake or Miller) is going to have to deal with. I like the outcome that I am envisioning.
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I believe the effect of a K-Mart/Too Easy backcourt will look something like this to opponents
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Especially
with Tyreke getting better by leaps and bounds with every game. Remember, he kept missing around the hoop? Now he rarely misses. K-Mart cannot come back fast enough.
I can’t wait for this to be our line-up:
Tyreke
K-Mart
Omri
JT
Hawes
Then games like tonight will cease to occur.
That drive for the almost 3 point play was ridiculous
That shot was in the hoop for a second and a half before it popped out.
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Tyreke had more blocks than Spence.
Come on, Spence. You gotta give us something on side of the floor.
Udoka played well
Probably earned some more burn. I liked that he scored and wasn’t just a D guy.
Sergio? Not one of his better outings. Probably too amped up against his old mates.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions
I felt like he moved the ball really well
He’s not really a weapon on offense, but when our offense starting working well during that stretch in the third it was largely because him and beno started to move the ball well. He doesn’t need to score to be an asset on offense. I just wish Kenny could do the same, although he had a great game as well.
Starters are killing us
The starters have been just terrible past few games. They dug a hole at the start of the game. Then blew a half time lead. As good a job as Westphal has done this year, his insistence on sticking to this starting lineup is wearing on me. Sure, this problem will go away once Kmart and Garcia are back, but I can’t help thinking we would be above .500 if Beno and Casspi (or Udoka) were starting.
by henryclemente on Dec 15, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Or Brockman :)
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
It's really not about the start...
…but the finish.
Kings are losing games down the stretch.
Kings are .500 if they make their free throws and execute well the last 5 minutes.
"It's as Ann as the nose on plain's face."
yeah but...
… if we weren’t down 10 six minutes into the game. Or blowing 11 point halftime leads, the games wouldn’t even be this close to loose.
by henryclemente on Dec 15, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely
Blaming the loss on the last few minutes is shortsighted
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
PW has a pattern of going with most effective...
1st half line-up to start the 3rd quarter. Inexplicably, he did not do that tonight, and definitely hurt us.
yup..
..i was expecting beno to start the 2nd half.
by henryclemente on Dec 15, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
A big reason as to why Beno and Casspi have played so well
Is because they don’t have to match up against the starters. Our strength is our depth. It doesn’t matter who we start, we are still going to find ourselves in a hole at the end of the first because our best five is not as good as most teams’ best five.
I would...
…like to think that Beno and Casspi would match up better against opposing starters than Donte and Noc have been. I think Donte is more suited coming off the bench as a sparkplug, and Casspi more suited to getting starters minutes as effective as he’s been
by henryclemente on Dec 15, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Is it safe to assume
We will be starting Evans/Martin/Cisco/Thompson/Hawes?
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 15, 2009 9:52 PM PST reply actions
Cisco probably won't start until they can get a gauge on him
But I think that was what the starting lineup was thought to be before his injury.
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Okay
Ya I wasn’t sure because I thought he usually came off the bench as a SG/SF but was unclear on if he would be considered a starting SF
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
K-Mart might not start for a game or two either
so he gets in rhythm.
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The last few minutes of a game
You need to play with No conscience, no memory, play with Abandon!
and that doesn’t mean playing ‘who will be the one-on-one hero tonight’
Its a hill we still don’t see over.
keep it close for 3 1/2 quarters than DO what you do BEST
pass, share – and Score!
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
That means having
Tyreke
Beno
Casspi
JT
Hawes (maybe)
In at the end
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
That's pretty close to what we had tonight
How well did that work?
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
see previous comment
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 15, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget stop giving up offensive rebounds!
That Aldridge one at the end (which led to Roy hitting Bayless for 5 pt lead) was the dagger. We grab that board, down three, 37 secs left, we have a real shot at winning.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
In the last 3-5 minutes: Play
with Abandon
not play ‘big shot bob’
Playing without fear, to your strengths, is how those big shots come about naturally.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 15, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think we should have loftier ambitions
than just keeping it close. You put some distance between yourself and your opponent and you won’t have those high-pressure situations (in which the Kings have shown a knack for failing in).
There were several points in the game they could have pulled away. They were up 9 at the end of the half and the 3rd quarter, but failed to build on that lead – which they gave away – which led to a close game at the end; which they choked away.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
"Nate McMillan on Tyreke Evans: "He has some Magic in him." (via Ben)
Big praise
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Nate is a mediocre coach
But nice praise
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Our bench
Killed them
maybe some of them should be in at the end (?)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
It's true
as much as we can dream of what tonight’s outcome would have been with Martin and Garcia, the Blazers are missing Oden, Fernandez and Outlaw, the latter of which always seems to be clutch against the Kings…
Batum matters
They would have put Batum on Tyreke tonight if they could have Brainchild. (Just wanted to call you that once.)
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Watching Brockman tangle with Pryzbila
was a lot of fun. Kind of like a rodeo.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions
Give the Blazers credit
for playing tough D and exploiting the Bayless-Casspi mismatch.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions
The Portland D wasn't that good
We played like a tight too young team in the end, stopped passing and played one-on-one bullshit.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
I'm exhausted
I was up at 4 with only a few hours sleep
calm down for sleepy time
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Tough loss
Another close one that the Kings let slip. They will breakthrough, it’s just a matter of when. Once they do, it will feel good and it’ll serve as a good example for how to approach future road games.
The effort is still there, and the good play is still there, the execution at the end of games is not there. Too many mistakes and too many missd FTs hurt us again. Luckily, there’s no reason to believe this will not improve with experience and the development of the young guys.
We’re only a little over 20 games into our first season with what looks to be a bright group of players that are still without one of the two best players of the team. We are far from a complete product and a couple more important pieces will be added sometime in the future.
I’ve already seen more than I expected from these young guys and they can only get better. Yes, this hurts like hell, but I’m still smiling because of what’s still to come.
I love this team
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
+/-
Donte -21 in 14 minutes
Hawes -24
Nocioni -21 in 17 minutes
Beno +13
Udoka +16 in 25 minutes
Thomas +18 in 15 minutes
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions
Can you really use this as justification for playing Udoka and Thomas more?
Or justification that our young guys have some learning to do, and thus need more playing time to get better?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
I think the moral of the story here is
If you can’t be an effective defender, be an efficient scorer (Beno), and if you can’t be a efficient scorer, be an effective defender (K9). Or better yet, be both (Udoka tonight). At least do something good while you’re on the floor.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
?
Nooooo….. You’re shittin me
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Also, these were great matchups for Udoka and Thomas
Shutting down Roy and Aldridge absolutely kills the Blazers offense. Also Kenny doesn’t need to be an offensive threat on the offensive end because Aldridge is a terrible defensive player and can’t cheat off him. They both had great games, I don’t want to take anything from them. But this doesn’t mean their role needs to increase.
It's a Catch 22
Do you go with the guys who can get you the win tonight or the guys that might get it done tonight and are your best hope for the future? No easy answer.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Don't think that's an either/or question
You can do both – mix and match with what is working. Donte and Hawes were not working tonight.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Remember in Pre-season
and when we saw Hawes struggle against Blazers, we attributed it to Oden’s presence?
There's nothing to fear but everything.
Good point
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Westphal's Post-Game comments
Worth a watch. Most pissed I’ve seen him all season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gTuIIlNLH8&feature=sub
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Huge quote to me
Westphal: “Its not ok to not stay aggressive for 48 minutes”
Amick (I think): “Do you get the sense in there, that they understood that. I mean, are they there yet?”
Westphal: “Most of them”
(long silence)
…
He made a point to say most of them. Makes you wonder if he’s being down on certain players at the moment.
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That would be my guess
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
2 Rebs in 27+ mins = not aggressive
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
Coach W was nice enough not to name names. I don’t think he ever will but I hope we see a much different Spencer tomorrow night.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
I won't be at all suprised if we do
…followed by another couple of crappy games, then another decent game…
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 15, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
To be positive...
I’m hoping Spence puts together a decent string of 3 or 4 games on this up-coming road trip…that’d help tons!
I think he can…I think he can…I think he can!!!!
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
I'm thinking it could be Noc
But Noc’s problem isn’t aggressiveness, its been suckiness lately.
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I know you're down on Noce right now but...
He played only 17mins and had 5 pts and 2 rebs on 2-7 shooting. Sure, not the most sterling of stats but its not because he’s not aggressive.
There can only be one Noce!
FRAKKK!
Tough loss. I hate seeing this team lose a game in the final 3 minutes.
Still, there was a lot to like. Seeing the Kings get the ball to Tyreke in various ways and in various spots on the floor was encouraging. Also, it never gets old seeing him score at will with either hand.
I think Coach Westphal could have put in Kenny a little sooner when we lost our lead. I think the Kings were a better defensive team with Kenny on the floor tonight.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
I’m getting really tired of Spencer Hawes. Westphal kept him out way too long instead of putting K9 in who was actually making a difference out there.
Way too early for draft talk
But I hope we find a center who can play defense and rebound with the best of them.
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 15, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
THABEET
I think Cole Aldrich or Larry Sanders will do
I like Aldrich a lot.
But I don’t know if he’s mobile enough for faster and stronger NBA center. I haven’t checked out Larry Sanders yet but thanks for putting him on my radar, Russak.
At 270 pounds, I’m liking what I’ve seen from DeMarcus Cousins so far and it’s not just a by-product of having Wall on the floor either.
I really think Thabeet will be worth the risk in a few years…or maybe 5.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Aykis just put up an interesting post on this
It was on saturday, I think.
In it, I mentioned a couple of guys I’ve been researching; Ekpe Udoh, (6’10 240 out of Baylor); and Solomon Alabi, (7’1 230" out of Florida State).
If we stay hovering around .500 one of those guys might still be on the board when it’s our turn.
Check ‘em out. Cousins is also pretty intriguing, but he’s just so raw it’s too soon to get real excited about his prospects.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Yeah - it'll be interesting to see Cousins in conference play.
There are tons of decent bigs in the SEC that will test his abilities.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Is there a specific site you are looking at
To look up prospects, I usually just use nbadraft.net but I’m sure there are better
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 15, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
personally I check out DraftExpress.com a lot
Hoops Hype does a pretty good job too usually.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
And one more thing
Not to hate on Donte Greene but if he ends up with more shots than Tyreke Evans you know there is a problem.
Agreed.
I wouldn’t even mind it if the Kings became a little one-dimensional every now and then and let Tyreke shoot at least 15 times a game. Usually, good things happen when the ball is in his hands. Hell, Roy and LA shot 20 and 21 times tonight…sometimes on the same play back to back.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Question.
Will we ever see a game where Spencer and JT have awesome games on the same night?
I say if they do – the Kings win.
Has that happened this season? My memory is foggy. I feel like they step up when the other is in a funk. Weird.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Did anybody catch Omri and Evans talking after the game?
Omri seemed almost in tears he was really disappointed and Evans seemed confused on why they can’t close out the road games..
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 15, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions
Gotta love the passion both them display.
Omri continues to be more and more valuable to the Kings with every game. His shooting has been consistently spectacular. I liked how he was more than willing to guard Roy tonight. Not saying he was successful, but at least he did an adequate job for a rook.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Westphal is generally playing the guys with the best numbers the most
PER Rating
1. Kevin Martin 25.3
2. Sergio Rodriguez 19.6
3. Tyreke Evans 18.8
4. Jason Thompson 17.7
5. Beno Udrih 17.3
6. Omri Casspi 15.2
7. Spencer Hawes 14.6
8. Donte Greene 14.3
9. Jon Brockman 13.1
10. Andres Nocioni 12.0
11. Kenny Thomas 10.0
12. Ime Udoka 8.6
13. Desmond Mason 6.4
14. Sean May 6.2
Minutes Played
1. Tyreke Evans 756
2. Jason Thompson 749
3. Beno Udrih 600
4. Spencer Hawes 596
5. Andres Nocioni 562
6. Omri Casspi 475
7. Donte Greene 362
8. Sergio Rodriguez 261
9. Kenny Thomas 220
10. Kevin Martin 209
11. Ime Udoka 188
12. Jon Brockman 165
13. Sean May 98
14. Desmond Mason 66
Numbers are before tonight’s game and from Basketball Reference.
Based on the numbers you could argue Omri vs. Nocioni and maybe more three-guard lineups with Sergio.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 15, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions
!!!
Coolcat just whips out a small sample of his vast data base!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Nate McMillan on Tyreke Evans
maybe the most effusive praise of any opposing player after a game this year….
I think that kid is really, really good. I watched him on tape and just how he moves, I think he has some — this is, you hate to compare players like this — but I think he’s got some Magic in him. He’s a big guard that can see the floor. He’s unselfish. He gets to the rim. He uses his body very well. He’s good in transition. He can rebound and push the ball. A small or big guard doesn’t really faze him. He sees the floor extremely well. That team is where they are because of Coach Westphal of course. Evans, he plays 3 positions — 1, 2 and 3 — who knows, when they get some of their guys back, you may even see him at some 4 because he’s got a big body. He’s going to be a very good player.
He’s strong. He’s confident. He’s under control. What you saw out there was a young guy just taking a game over. He never looked out of control. It wasn’t a selfish thing. Taking advantage of opportunities. Defensively he’s not bad. He can defend too. He’s a good player.
Nate Mac just described an All-Star/Superstar level player
Or maybe I’m crazy.
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the most interesting part is it’s all present tense. it’s not “he could,” it was “he is”
by Ben Golliver on Dec 15, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Very true.
People thought I was crazy when i said this yesterday in the JD, but, I’d rather have Tyreke Evans than Brandon Roy. That’s not to say I don’t like Brandon Roy, but I like Tyreke Evans more.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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That's interesting.
To me it just seems like Evans is a shorter, more athletic version of Roy without an outside game. They’re both versatile, combo guards who can pass, rebound and get to the rim.
We won’t know for a while. Right now Roy is way more polished and has a more complete game. Evans will probably be the better defender.
Who knows.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 16, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
But the thing is that Evans doesn’t need to be a great outside shooter on this team. Everything he already does is perfect for this team. The only thing he needs to not do is turn the ball over (as much—and he’s not excessively turning the ball over either), and figure out the in/out’s of the NBA game. 23 games in, I can say I’m very pleased about Reke’s development.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I love Evans
I’d trade u our whole stock of pgs for him. But not Roy. Like u said it is 23 games. He still has zero expectations for his team to advance.
Hello Dum Dum
That's a key difference
I wouldn’t trade any player on the Blazers roster for Tyreke Evans. That includes Brandon Roy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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Would you do this trade ?
Spencer and Noc for Al Jefferson ? It worked in th trade machine.
No
It wouldn’t make the Kings better. All Jefferson really does is score and hit the boards when they come into him.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I tweaked it and found one I like better.
3 team deal: Kings get, big Al, Turiaf, and, Azubuike.
Wolves get: Noc, Spence, and Biedrins
Warriors get: Blount, Jawai, and K9
This works because, the Kings get a 20/10 type in Al, a high energy shot blocker in Turiaf, and a nice “throw in” with Azubuike.
The Wolves get the defensive center they need next to Love, along with the sf they sorely lack in Noc. They also get Spence who, maybe needs a change of scenery to reach his potential.
The Warriors pretty much make this move for the 18 mill or so in cap relief.
I threw in Serod and Speedy claxton.
Warriors get Serod in addition to the others and Kings get Claxton’s 5 mill expiring. that way Kings keep 8 mill in expirings (including Azubuike’s 3 mill)
For future reference bukey
There is a great place for this in the asinine trade thread.
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Kings don't want AI
What position is he going to play? Also, he’s old and has this nasty habit of making his teams worse.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
AL Jefferson
Not (AI) Allen ‘Was The Answer’ Iverson.
That being said, I much rather have Love than Jefferson.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
IDK
Al definitely has some lazy games – but he can be quite an imposing force when he wants to.
He’s 13th in the league in PER – way ahead of any of our big men. And only giving up Hawes and Noc? I’d do it.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
I don't know man
an outside game seems to be really important for a guard. Look at Andre Miller, It’s the difference between being a solid point guard and the toast of the League.
I’m not at all saying he’s not going to develop an outside game, but it could be the difference.
by Gary: Badass on Dec 16, 2009 2:36 AM PST up reply actions
If you had them both
That would be a pair to draw to. Two guys who can take over the game.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 16, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Of course he did.
That is exactly what Reke is. I will say this; I was disappointed in Westphal’s game plan toward’s the end. Tyreke should handle the ball every possession in the last 5 minutes. When he plays off the ball, the team has trouble finding him. You give the ball to your best player in the clutch.
Yep.
He had too little shot opportunities tonight. Some of that is the other guys, and some of that is Reke.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Good game,it will be interesting to see teams later in the year with
K-mart and Cisco back for Sac and Rudy and Batum back for the Blazers. Beating da Wizz is doable so please go forth ad kick their ass,see ya tomorrow
by southern oregon on Dec 16, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
Blazers will get better as the year moves along and they get healthier.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Agreed
And if he leaves Tyreke on the court to start the 4th, when we were up 7, and had all the momentum, maybe we extend the lead to double digits, and change the entire tone of the quarter.
All these road loses have a common element. Opponents tighten defense down the stretch and we lack a secondary go-to guy after Tyreke. That will change when K-Mart returns.
I routinely check out the opposing teams blog to get a view point from,
our competition.
Reke, Casspi & JT consistently get good remarks.
Hawe’s consistently bad.
Everyone else gets a mixture.
Interesting…
by nothingbutnet on Dec 15, 2009 11:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Tonight was the first time since November 23, @ Memphis,
that Beno shot worse than 50% for a game (7 of 15 tonight)…crazy…60% (52/86) since that loss to the Grizz…
The fact that Beno is well above 50% shooting is amazing
No way did I ever see that being possible.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Blazer and Kings fan here
I just want to say, I can’t wait for Tyreke to set the league on fire in the next 1-2 years (or months, you never know). Every Blazer-Kings game is always a great match-up. Also, I think if you combined LaMarcus Aldrige and Jason Thompson you’d have the perfect power forward.
Agreed on LaJason Aldson -
But you’d have to order custom-made foru-legged shorts.
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Aldridge
really went off on us, and the only guy who held him in check was Kenny Thomas.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 16, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Tyreke is a beast
Spencer hawes reminds me of our steve blake. Either he hits hits shots, or else he is completely useless and cant do anything that is required from his position.
and did one of the blazer announcers call dick bavetta Dickhead during the game?
i thought i heard it from mike rice.
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