Tyreke Evans, You Are a Maniac
by Tom Ziller on Dec 17, 2009 5:26 AM PST
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Nice recap
Tyreke was amazing. And yes, the ESPN crew was very complimentary about the team, not just in the 2nd half, but to start the game. All the way through. Very nice to hear. Nice things to say about, Tyreke (of course), Omri, JT, Beno, Donté, the team, PW, GP. Very good stuff.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Oh, and
Zero Not a PG comments.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 17, 2009 5:53 AM PST up reply actions
I paid attention to how they characterized Tyreke too. One of them referred to him as a ‘combo guard,’ but you’re right—no one said he wasn’t a PG.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
Even better...
they referred to the fact that he transitioned to PG in college and they seemed shocked that he had only been playing the position for two years (although I have a feeling he’s had the ball in his hands on just about every team he’s ever played for).
They mentioned
him being a floor general, or how the team is better when Tyreke has the ball in his hands—something to that effect—I think twice. They mentioned his poise like 10 times—how he is going to the team hero when they get in the playoffs down the road. Also how he could be the fourth rookie to average 20, 5, and 5 next to Robertson, Magic and LeBron.
It’s nice to hear someone other than Grant and Jerry heap praise, you know? Big ups to Reke.
Picking nits
it was Jordan, not Magic
although i will say that Magic’s rookie year 18/7/7 would be nice
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Definitely enjoyed the ESPN crew, they were genuinely positive about the Kings'
young players. It was nice to watch the Kings and not be berated by Peaches, the thing that really stood out for me was how easily Tyreke Evans makes basketball look. He only forced one drive, which did happen in the 4th quarter, and besides that he got his incredibly full stat line without forcing a single play. He is just a smooth operator.
I also liked how Omri was not gun shy, SVG suggested in the first quarter that Omri may want to shoot his FT’s from the three point arc, but after that quip Omri went 8-9 from the stripe.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
They also said, though,
that him and Kevin probably would’nt mesh, kev has to have the ball in his hands all the time, blah, blah, blah
Which shows they don't know Kevin's game
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
i thought the same thing when they said that stuff
i’m really hoping they mesh as much as we’re thinking they will when Kevin comes back.
put me in, Coach
I still have some doubts.
Kevin doesn’t do a whole lot of catching and shooting, so he has had the ball in his hands quite a bit to create offense. Perhaps a lot of that was out of necessity (lack of talent around him and all of that)? I’m still hopeful that they can adapt and flourish together, but I don’t think it’s a given that their games are meant for one another.
God what crap from SVG
I have to disagree with this whole concept, argument, and idea.
If Kevin can get his points when Artest was the guy pounding the ball all the time or Salmons was the guy, then he can play with anybody. Play with them and score a ton.
He has never been ball dominant and is the purist Shooting Guard the Kings have ever had. He does his job. He spots up and either shoots to score or drives to score when the defender commits.
His game is PERFECT to match with Evans. Who are the guards going to double? Evans driving or Martin either shooting off his double or driving into the paint after Evans softens it up? It is nothing but good for us. All the way around.
If by 'in his hands quite a bit'
You mean he scores lots of points, you’re right. But KM does not dominate the ball in the way ‘needs it in his hands’ to score as in dominates possesions. Everyone needs it to shoot it the last I heard.
Yes, his scoring avg will probably go down to 20 or so on this young talented team.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
the most exciting part is that
currently teams are just trying to keep Evans out of the lane, but with Martin in as well, if you shift the defense to focus on stopping an Evans drive to the rack, you have to watch out for the kick out to Martin and an immediate second attack. If everything works smoothly, I imagine that teams will have a hard time containing the backcourt’s ability to slash and drive in waves.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
A lot of that is because defenses will not leave him
So, he needs to either get open via off the ball movement ala Reggie Miller or start with the ball in his hands.
The reason I don’t see a problem is because Kevin has been good in the past moving without the ball and the way the offense runs now, Tyreke doesn’t initiate every play.
In fact when Sergio is in the game, Tyreke hardly initiates any plays and when Beno is in it’s more like 60% Reke-40% Beno. Why can’t Kevin initiate like 30% of the plays and move to get open on the plays Tyreke initiates.
You also have the luxury of always having one of them on the floor. So you get a lot of Tyreke/Beno and Beno/Kevin bookending the quarter breaks. I’m really not worried about this.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 17, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Based on what most of those guys have seen of Kevin's play JVG was right
for the past couple years Kevin has dominated the ball, especially last year when he was the official go to guy.
However, what they fail to realize is that Kevin’s had to dominate the ball. Last year he was the only big scorer. The ball needed to be in his hands. The two years prior there was really no offensive system in place other then the “I’mma get mine” mentality of Salmons and Artest.
Kevin’s had to dominate the ball, period. But, its also important to note that his ball domination is fairly minor based on the number of shots he takes per game. What JVG and most hoops heads don’t take into consideration is how well Kevin can play off the ball. Dude comes off screens and makes those nice backdoor cuts to the basket. He’ll still score plenty and he’ll be able to do it just fine partnered with Tyreke. Kevin’s off the ball movement is actually going to make them an excellent tandem
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Exactly
And K-Mart is one of the best off-the-ball players in the NBA. Tyreke is pretty terrible off-the-ball (which is probably the part of his game that needs the most work outside of his jumper), so they compliment each other nicely.
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Can you imagine if KMart and Sergio get some PT together?
Shades of Christie and Peja I’m tellin’ ya.
Off the ball
Tyreke is pretty terrible off-the-ball
I am not sure that it is so much that he is terrible. I think it’s more that he takes a break when someone else is managing the ball, particularly if it’s Beno.
Tyreke’s not the kind to waste a lot of energy moving around 2-3 picks and then not getting the ball when he’s open. Martin also gets frustrated when he works hard and doesn’t get the ball, and I can’t say I blame either one of them. I think that’s one of the problems when Beno plays PG, because he’s really a 2 guard in a smaller body.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 17, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Tyreke is for real
Down here in LA, this was the first game I’ve watched in a few weeks. Wow. He’s a go-to guy already as a rook. He’s a piece to build around. All we need to do is move mountains to get a superstar center next to him, and that is a championship team.
Omri is rangey, aggressive, smart, he’s an instigator. Loved him. Favorite play was when he extended and punched the ball out to Tyreke for a breakaway dunk toward the end.
But the future of the Kings is Tyreke and the stud we get to pair with him.
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by Holmdel on Dec 17, 2009 6:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+10. Agreed.
But the future of the Kings is Tyreke and the stud we get to pair with him.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Omri is a pretty good garbage guy too
He’s starting to make a habit of scoring put backs after ORBs on a regular basis.
And a classic Jerryism to boot
“Oh my yes. Thank heavens for Tyreke Evans!”
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it's the big one Elizabeth
After scaring the hell out of me in the last few seconds, I was lookiing for the difibulator, but thanks to the basketball gods, Evans came through.
After jumping on Spence yesterday, I was listening to KHTK yesterday. A few minutes into the program, Grant starts jumping on the fans for jumping on Spence. How did Grant know the fans were jumping on Spence. Maybe he reads STR? But apparently PW felt the same way and sat Spence out until the 3rd quarter, I am not buying the match up story. If it were a match up problem , I can not see waiting until the 3rd quarter to play Spence I believe PW was sending a message. In addition, I went back and forth between the local feed and ESPN. ESPN mentioned in their pregame interview with PW that PW stated that one of the big problems for the Kings is their lack of an interior presence in the middle.
Spence is not a bust nor does he suck, I just wish he were more consistent with more good games. But it is becoming pretty obvious the Kings brass sees the problems in the interior. As I said yesterday, in GP I trust.
by noreboundsnorings on Dec 17, 2009 7:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You're right about Hawes
He doesn’t suck, but he isn’t playing particularly well right now. As I mentioned yesterday, I think he would be best served if he just focused on rebounding and providing some semblance of an interior presence on d. Nobody expects him to be a Mutombo-esque eraser inside, but he needs to better than what he’s been.
As far as offense goes, stop shooting threes. I realize he’s more of a high post guy and that’s fine. I don’t have a problem with him occasionally shooting 17-18 foot jumpers. BUT I think he and the team would be better served if he worked on refining his post game. Nothing major- jump hooks and drop steps. We have plenty of guys who can stroke it from outside, but we don’t really have a reliable big man low post threat. If he could become that guy our offense would be even more lethal than it is now, and that’s a scary thought!
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He's not powerful around the basket
but Hawes does have those post moves. He doesn’t seem to get the ball there much though.
Great reference
Sanford would have been proud of the Kings play last night.
by nothingbutnet on Dec 17, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Favorite ESPN quote
“If Evans gets a decent jumpshot, it will be totally unfair!”
Favorite play(s)- (so many to choose from!)
Casspi’s sideline diving steal. Donté’s backwards dunk. Casspi’s tip out to Evans. Noce’s 4-pointer. Hawes dunking. Beno’s steal.
Biggest Uh-Oh moment-
Three consecutive posessions down the stretch in the 4th where Evans took two off-balance jumpers and missed them, and then drove into the paint and lost the ball out of bounds.
The icing on the cake-
Casspi starting and scoring his career high on ESPN. Watching Hawes try to work his way out of the dog house. Evans final steal and ice-water-in-his-veins freethrows.
GREAT game. Now let’s go grab a couple on the road and get back to .500!
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Best ESPN quote I heard
“WHEN the Kings are REALLY good in a couple years….” and then some stuff about how awesome Reke is. Seems the national media is finally getting on board with the rest of us.
I'm still on an adrenaline high from being at this game
Epic finish. I wanted to start an MVP chant.
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Definitely sure.
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Sh*iiiiiit. I was chanting M-V-P in my own house.
I was with ya in spirit.
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You coming to StR night?
We can get it going there.
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Wish I was...I don't live in Sacto.
I hope you all dress in purple or black and start chants like Knicks fans.
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I’m not seeing it. ;p
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Anyone else getting weird formatting on this page?
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Only that your avatar looks like a hamster with a machine gun.
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You don't have the Section with the Fanposts
on the bottom of the page?
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Nope.
I’m thinking $1 beer night was not good to you. ;-p
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Weird.
Ah well, its only happening on this thread.
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yeah, my usernames are all faded out too.
I blame Ziller.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 17, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
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So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
bold prediction
Omri is going to matter in this league more than, say, Stephen Jackson
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by LaBradford on Dec 17, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
Nice
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
If they were voting the All-Rookie team by position (do they?)
He would be the starting SF. No one has been better.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think they do it by position for that game, or at least only really loosely
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 17, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
They do
C F F G G
But that doesn’t have to matter. Griffin will probably come back and put up some very nice numbers so I think the 1st Rookie Team will be Griffin Casspi Evans Flynn Jennings. How awesome would that be to see two rookies make the All-Rookie team, with Evans most likely winning RoY?
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Jerebko in Detroit is Casspi's biggest competition so far
Similar story but in the media market East
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Jerebko's playing really well
But Casspi’s better.
I still can’t believe Detroit picked Daye.
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but wait...
I think the 1st Rookie Team will be Griffin Casspi Evans Flynn Jennings.
Wouldn’t that be F F G G G? Evans, Flynn and Jennings are all G’s, no?
Yes
But you missed where I said it doesn’t have to matter. There’s no Center that was drafted that deserves to be on the All-Rookie First team. Or hell even the 2nd team.
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Or the 3rd team.......
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Is there a 3rd team?
But yeah, there probably wouldn’t be a 3rd team center. Best bigs in this draft so far have been Blake Griffin (even though he hasn’t played he’s going to be good), Dejuan Blair, Tyler Hansbrough and Taj Gibson.
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I don't know
But I don’t think so.
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Done.
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What was wrong with Tyreke last night?
He looked a bit gimpy/slow (at least when he didn’t have the ball – even walking), which they mentioned a few times on the national broadcast. Anyone know what the deal is?
I noticed that too.
Maybe that’s his rookie of the year strut? Let’s hope it’s nothing that will bother him in the long run.
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Beno
The announcer beside Van Gundy and Jackson referred to Beno four times or so as Nocioni. I thought that was funny. They do look very similar.
It was great to have Tyreke, Omri, and JT have good games in front of the national audience. Tyreke was very good. Omri is a damn sparkplug in there—so much energy, and I liked his defense last night. I think he’ll develop to be an above average rebounder at the SF spot. Rebounding aside, it seems like he has two good role models in Cisco and Noc, and a good guy to compete with in Donte.
Noticed that too – I guess they aren’t used to seeing that many white guys on the court together? The all-white line-up we used a few games ago really would have had him confused.
I noticed that
all-white team a few games ago, as well. I’d bet that this team could field the best all-white lineup in the league. Isn’t that tournament just around the corner or something…?
Hell, I have the same problem
They have the same hair color and cut too (besides both being white). I always have to look at their number to be sure. I mix Greene up with both Evans and Thompson at times too.
I mix Greene and Tyreke quite a bit actually
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Yeah, the thought process typically goes
“Wow, what’s up with Tyreke? That was pretty awkward. Wait a minute… that’s Donte. That was pretty good for Donte. Keep it up man, you’re gettin’ there!”
Me too, but my computer feed is not the equivalent of watching from 30 feet away
It was pretty funny. The Blazer guys mixed up Donté and JT a couple times the other night too.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 17, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
It was an exciting game
It wouldn’t have been close if a few of those late Casspi 3s went down, but as Aykis said,
They were good shots by a good shooter and I wouldn’t have him hold off on any of those attempts.
I think the ’ we couldn’t defend Jamison’ is a little overstated. We mostly had hands in his face but he was on fire and everything was just going in. Great offensive players can have great games like that.
Donte’ wasn’t mentioned much in anyone’s comments (besides the dunk) but I thought it was one of his more professional performances in a while. He mostly took what was given while still working on his game, which is a work in progress – I thought he was solid.
Omri was my hero as WarBeno was good, but didn’t have his almost routine saving the game performance.
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Yeah it was an off shooting night for Beno
He was due though. He played well though.
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Bad shooting
But no turnovers, and he has to be covered from outside because he can make that shot. Still found a way to contribute. I notice that he tends to steady the ship when he comes in.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 17, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
There's no doubt
That he has been steadying things down on a nightly basis. It seemed that the Wiz had noticed and did a fair job of denying him his usual mid-range shots.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
yeah I noticed that as well
Both Beno and Ime tend to settle the kids down when they get too hyper and in danger of getting out of control. I didn’t have any problem with Beno’s game last night. For me the interesting thing re Beno this season and last is this season I’m happy to see PW put Beno in the game and last year is like ……….oh…………..dang! Beno’s money shot wasn’t falling last night but he does some other things out there.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Agreed
No problem with Beno’s game at all tonight. This would have been considered one of his better games last year.
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I love
after Tyreke stole the ball, he looked at Donte, and the look on his face was like, “yep, that was easy”
He rarely shows anything on the court
unless he does something wrong and then he just acts frustrated. He’s got a very cool demeanor on the court, and the name Too Easy definitely suits him. He almost looks bored at times.
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I love
how our team acts like a team. How they talk. They cheer each other. Martin & Garcia are up talking to players during time-outs.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 17, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions
I love this too
Talent-wise, the Bulls got some positive things when they did the trade last year with the Kings. But I think it was a good thing for team chemistry that GP shipped those guys off to Chicago. The Kings have players that enjoy each other’s games, and they can play very well together.
And Martin and Garcia are proving their leadership ability as veterans.
put me in, Coach
on the ESPN
boadcast, I think it was JVG who pointed out that during every timeout, Kevin Martin makes a point to go talk to Tyreke one on one …. I love that.
They also mentioned that he may be saying something along the lines of...
’don’t steal all of my thunder’.
They are kind of ignorant
They don’t get that somebody can be the caliber of KMart and have a well managed and in check ego. The dude, Kevin, is clearly grounded and not some kind of ego-maniac.
I actually stayed with our local team because
as I was participating in the game thread, the comments from Jackson and JVG again showed that the national media has no clue when it comes to the Kings specifically and probably smaller market teams in general.
The thing I fail to understand is that posters here and elsewhere tend to have a better handle on opposing player’s games than members of the national media do. Other then maybe the top 20 players in the league all they do is repeat many old or inaccurate categorizations regarding the players they are reporting on. The ESPN guys don’t seem to bother reading Hollinger’s player notes.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
ESPN
is always like that. They report what they want, how they want to. I switched to the NFL Network for NFL stuff now, MLB network for MLB stuff. cause they actually report on all teams. Haven’t checked out the NBA channel yet though.
If Sapp could play football
half as good as he can run his mouth, he would have been one of the all-time greats. Other than that, I go to NFL network too now.
I actually thought JVG had a decent take on most of the Kings
It was obvious he hasn’t watched a lot of Kings basketball, but it was also obvious that he at least watched some, in preparation for this game.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 17, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
It was obviously a joke
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Some people
Have a really bad sarcasm radar.
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I just love that
the big clutch moment came on defense! Lots of players can hit the big game winner, but who ever seals the deal on a one-on-one defensive move to shut down the superstar offensive player? I loved it. Hopefully Evans’s commitment to defense will continue to change the culture of the team.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
To revive that horse
Let’s wait till he had at least played a single minute in the NBA to pass judgement.
by Mityt on Dec 17, 2009 11:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
But I think Tyreke is going to be better anyway.
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Who cares
I hope Ricky has a great career. I’m totally happy with Tyreke. The non-King doesn’t have to fail, for our player to be successful.
MJ being great didn’t make Hakeem a worse player or pick. The Rockets did just fine.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 17, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
We can look into the future now
Saturday…maybe we can see Tyreke shut down and abuse Luke Ridnour.
by getPGwithbounce on Dec 17, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh hmm. Screw it. I'll go out on a limb and PASS judgement.
I really don’t think we’d be enjoying the success we have now without Tyreke Evans.
I have no doubts that Ricky Rubio would not have been able to steal the ball away from Gilbert Arenas.
I have no doubt that Ricky Rubio would be averaging 20-5-5 right now like some rookie we know.
I have no doubt that the Kings would be flirting with .500 if they had Ricky Rubio instead of Tyreke at this moment.
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I think you meant "I doubt" on the last two.
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I agree
That Tyreke is the main ingredient of the Kings’ recent success. I am not advocating the drafting of Rubio over Reke (especially at this juncture) but it is impossible to say how successful (or unsuccessful) Ricky will be at the NBA level. I sorely doubt it, but what if RR is as good as Chris Paul (again not bloodly likely but let’s pretend). Would you trade Tyreke straight-up for CP3? A tough one indeed but probably yes. This is what I mean. We have no real idea what RR will bring to the table but we have seen glimpses of what Tyreke brings and it’s all gravy. I can see the desire to say that Tyreke is better as we were all witness to his greatness last night. But all we really know is that Tyreke is good, nay great, and Ricky is mostly unknown. I cannot fathom how you can say anything else. But that is your opinion and this is mine. God bless America!
by Mityt on Dec 17, 2009 12:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ricky Rubio...
is kind of a role player wherever he is playing right now. Averaging 5 points, 5 assists…. Yawn.
I made the claim on Wolves board Omri Casspi will be better pro than Ricky Rubio. They love me over there.
True, it is not possible with absolute certainty to know how effective a collegiate or international player will be. Case in point, not even Kings FO knew Tyreke would be this good.
But it is possible to evaluate skills, size, athleticism, instincts, work ethic, personality, in comparison to known to entities in the league etc. to predict range of success or lack thereof. This is what Petrie does best.
Now back to Rubio: Geoff Petrie loved Jason Williams years ago enough to pick him #7. J-Will and Rubio are two flashy PGs who see the court and our naturals at the position. We know what type of career J-Will had (has): Good success, never an all-star.
I cannot underscore this enough: When J-Will came into the league, he was an amazing athlete. Running and jumping was sick. His speed and quickness was pretty dazzling. I had chance to see him up close in his second year and he was blinding with his speed. Ball on a string too. And he could stop on a dime and shoot that 3 pointer. Unlimited range capable of money streaks.
Despite being similar type of players (pass-first PGs), Rubio does not have the aforementioned athleticism. Nor can he shoot like J-Will. In his favor Rubio has a couple inches of height on J-Will. How is Ricky going to contend with athletes in the NBA and keep them honest with his own ability to score? Bottom line, I think Geoff Petrie would put the ceiling on Rubio below that off J-Will and drafted accordingly.
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Rubio does not have the aforementioned athleticism. Nor can he shoot like J-Will. In his favor Rubio has a couple inches of height on J-Will. How is Ricky going to contend with athletes in the NBA and keep them honest with his own ability to score?
Seriously, I think people saw a different Olympics than I did. There’s no doubt that Rubio will be 5 times better than the player he is now in two years. But right now, I think 5 points and 5 assists sounds just about right.
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Lets see what happens when he gets here
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I know I have mentioned this a lot
but I feel like I do have a unique perspective because I was at the olympics and saw a ton of games live as well as pretty much the whole tournament on TV.
Rubio was a back-up to Rudy Fernandez and played about 10-15 minutes a game. I described him immediately after the tournament as a slower, less flashy Jason Williams all the way down to the fact that he couldn’t play defense and therefore gambled on every play. Honestly I would compare him very closely to Sergio at this point.
I believe Jerry Reynolds compared him to Luke Ridenour, which I also think is fair.
I can tell you the US national media watched the gold medal game and that’s it. Throughout the tournament he hit a few shots, made a couple cool passes and made a few bone head plays. Nothing really jumped out at you except the fact that you said “that’s Ricky Rubio” and “he’s only 17!!”.
I can’t wait until Tyreke matches up against him head to head, and I hope Chad Ford is there to witness it.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Dec 17, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
How do you take Omri out of the starting line-up?
Love his energy and hustle. His shot went cold in the 4th, otherwise he scores close to 30 points in first NBA start!
I like how he gets in the key and battles for rebounds. Even when he doesn’t secure it, he is still keeping the ball alive so we can try to get possession. Take note Mr. Hawes.
And the way he batted that ball to Evans for the break away. Smooth! I call that play Too Smooth to Too Easy.
PW is perfect coach for Omri. He will give him free reign offensively, as long as he plays smart and does the little things he continues to do.
We have been getting off to slow game starts and 3rd quarter to set ominous tones. I would love to continue to see Omri out there to effect the tone through his aggressive style.
Maybe Noccioni to the bench, and give Hawes one more chance to start? Since up until last night Noce has been off. I don’t know, I definitely see flux in our starting line-up from now until K-Mart returns.
Only Tyreke and JT have their positions on lock down.
Agreed on all points.
After last night’s performance – you can’t take Omri out of the starting line-up.
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The problem is (and I agree in spirit)
That Omri has been very consistant off the bench. He and beno have been the anchors. If hawes goes back in the starting 5 you’d have to bench Donte’ and i wonder if he could lead the 2nd unit with beno the way Casspi does.
Its an important point. Until last night our bench play has been huge in keeping us in games.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Someone brought up the point that Casspi missed those 3s because of tired legs
I can’t say I disagree. A few fell short. But he’ll get used to it with more minutes.
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Also
Perhaps with Casspi in the starting lineup, we won’t NEED our bench to keep us in the game because we’ll already be too far ahead :P
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I suppose you could bench Noce but
1. veteran on the floor
2. Trade value
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
I say give him another look as a starter
and see if he’s consistent. If so, keep him in the starting lineup. If not, bring him off the bench. We have several guys (Omri, Beno, Noc, Sergio) that have no problem coming off the bench and working their asses off. Having a talented bench is one thing, having a talented bench that accepts their role is a whole other thing.
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You must have missed the third quarter
Until last night our bench play has been huge in keeping us in games.
That’s how Sergio and Hawes got to +12 and +9, respectively, in liited minutes. I think Omri helped by hitting a couple of threes in that run.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 17, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
not as much bench scoring was my point
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Great defense by Tyreke
Hypothetically, let’s say Kobe was the one who tried to cross Evans over, any chance they would have called a foul on that play?
No it was clean.
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If Kobe was within 10 feet of that play
they would have called a foul on evans
Great win. On behalf of all the drunken Kings fans that aren't here with us...
First and foremost, I would like Tyreke “Too Easy” Evans for making that dagger steal at the end to win the game.
*I want to thank Gilbert Arenas for committing that foul.
*I want to thank Tyreke again for making those CLUTCH ASS free throws at the end.
*Thank you Jeff Van Gundy and Marc Jackson for not going off on your usual pop culture tangents while the Kings were playing in front of you.
*Thank you, Noc, for driving and scoring when your jump shot wasn’t falling.
*Thank you Casspi last night’s amazing performance You definitely solidified your roster spot in the rookie-sophomore game on All Star weekend.
*Thank you Spencer Hawes for giving us a decent 8 minutes and that awesome drive to the basket where you dunked like a crazy person.
*Thank you JT the Ironman for your double double and NOT fouling out.
*Thank you Beno for steadying the ship and hitting a few shots when we needed to score.
*Thank you The Show and the bench players for giving your all last night.
*Finally, I want to thank the great Arco Arena Crowd for sounding awesome last night. There was definitely a better-than-regular-season buzz going on. The eruption when Tyreke stole the ball sounded A-FUCKIN’-MAZING on television. Seriously, it made me wanna stomp my feet and holler at Arco.
P.S. No thanks to the statistics crew that didn’t award Tyreke that steal at the end of the game.
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Tyreke was fouled before he gained possesion of the ball
hence no steal. Doesn’t matter to me really.
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so a caused turnover but no steal?
hmmmm, an offensive foul or loose ball foul?
It doesn’t always make sense to me but I guess I see it. The win is all that really matters and it was a steal in all the press coverage.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn't a caused turnover
Anyone could’ve got the ball. It just so happened that Gilbert fouled him before anyone did.
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The hell it wasn't
If Tyreke doesn’t touch it’s not like Gil coughs up the ball. You must be out your mind to say “Gilbert” lost the ball. It was a forced turnover, and Tyreke should be credited with a steal.
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It wasn't a turnover
a turnover means a turnover in possession. Possession never changed teams. One team lost the ball, but the other team didn’t gain possession. Gilbert lost the ball, but could’ve got the ball back. He probably wouldn’t have got it but he commited the foul before it was decided.
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You're right in that Gilbert fouled him before 'Reke had 'possession'.
If Arenas waited a split second he would have fouling ’Reke on a breakaway. Drat.
I just want ‘Reke to fill the stat sheet. It’s a steal in my homer mind…
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It is in my mind too
but by the letter of the law, it’s not. and quite frankly, i care about the win, not the steal
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I agree about everything you say.
It was a forced turnover. That’s all I’m saying. But I see your point. And, it is of course about the win.
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Technically
maybe it was a turnover. Tyreke never got possession of the ball due to the steal. But he did get possession at the free throw line. Does that count as a possession?
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Apparantly so
As NBA.com has it as Arenas turnover.
by Mityt on Dec 17, 2009 2:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It didn't count as a steal
Because the foul occurred before Tyreke gained posession. The foul wasn’t called a clear path foul because it was considered a loose ball foul.
It had to be called one or the other. If Tyreke had gotten posession before the foul, it would have been a steal and a breakaway foul. But since he didn’t, it had to be a turnover and a loose ball foul.
It would be interesting to go back and look to see when, exactly, the foul was called, though.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 17, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Breakaway foul would have been a tech right?
Free throw and possession?
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I think because Reke didn't have (full) possession of the ball
at the time of the foul, it’s not considered a breakaway.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
I know that
I’m just asking for clarification on a breakaway foul and I’m too lazy to look it up.
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The foul was called on Arenas before Tyreke got the ball.
I’m just curious how the NBA.com can call it Arenas “loosing the ball” just because Tyreke never gained full possession. That’s such a crock of shit.
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Agreed.
Arenas fouled ’Reke because he had possession of the ball…or at least was the only player on the floor that was going to get possession of it.
Oh well – it’s a steal to me. Glad Jason Jones sees that way as well.
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But
“was going to get the ball” does not count as possession. Hence, no steal, no turnover
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Exactly. And yes, I care about the win as well.
I just want ’Reke to have it all…ALL…ALL!!! * maniacal laugh *
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