The Real Question Regarding Tyreke as a "True" PG
by vfettke on Dec 18, 2009 2:57 PM PST
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I'm a fairly active commentor here. However, I've never done a fan post. But with the overabundance of posts and comments questioning Tyreke's "true" point guard status I feel as if I must speak up. Every time I see the phrases "true PG" or "NaPG" a small part of me dies inside and I feel like stabbing myself in the eyes. So rather than just suck it up and accept it I'm going to add to the glut of useless Fan Posts. Why? Because I'm rude prick, that's why. On the plus side, I'm doing it in list form, and everyone loves lists.
So let's compare, shall we?
A "true" PG:
1. Limited in size and strength so they rely on quickness, great passing skills, and shooting.
2. Get to the basket and finish or kick it to a teammate
3. Find the cutting teammate for the easy hoop
4. Use some ballhandling to break their man down for a shot.
5. Have a high number of assists, usually averaging 10+ per game (just my opinion, though)
6. Solid assist to turnover ratio
7. Can lead a team and make all around good decisions.
How Tyreke matches up:
1. Not limited by his size at all. He's probably just as quick as most guys that are much smaller, thus his size and strength give him a huge advantage. Don't take it from me either. Brandon Roy and Gilbert Arenas (two All Stars) have praised him for this. His passing and shooting have improved greatly in his short time as a pro and he's only 20 so I'm pretty sure we'll see at least a little more improvement. And aren't "true" point guards given a few years to develop anyway since its the "hardest" position to learn? Can't Tyreke have a few years to learn and improve as well?
2. He's getting better at dishing to teammates, but he also doesn't need to too much since he can finish so well at the rim
3. His passing skills are getting better and he does find cutting teammates. He'll be even better at it when Kevin returns and he has an open man to pass it to for the easy shot.
4. He doesn't break ankles, but when you're as strong and fast as him do you really need to?
5. 5 per game isn't great, but it's not terrible. The highest average of assists per game for a Sacramento PG since the glory days was 7.3 by Jason Williams. 'Reke's averaging 5 as a 20 year old rookie? I'm pretty confident he can average at least 7.3 at some point in his career. Which makes me wonder, why do Kings' fans all of a sudden care whether our PG is "true" or not?
6. Tyreke's assist to turnover ratio of 1.74 is a little low. However, he handles the ball quite a bit which leads to higher turnovers and doesn't notch a ton of assists because he's too busy destroying whoever's guarding him on his way to the basket.
7. Last season's worst team added some rookies and lost it's best player and somehow we're hovering just below .500? Coaching has a lot to do with it, but how much worse would this team be if Westphal had last year's crew and no Tyreke? Our top pick is lauded for his maturity and poise for such a young age. I'd say we have a leader who makes good decisions, wouldn't you?
I'm sure there are other characteristics of a "true" point guard that I missed. But, I don't care because I'm using the ones that best prove my point. What can I say, I read a lot of Simmons, sue me! Just know that if you question Tyreke's "true" point guardiness or use the acronym "NaPG" then I'll probably want to punch you in the neck.
My point is this: Maybe the question shouldn't be "Is Tyreke Evans a 'true' point guard?" Maybe it should be "Is <insert name of "true" PG> like Tyreke Evans?"
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I'm with you Vfettke although,
I prefer an elbow to the larynx (Does more damage).
Many Sports sites don’t even list him as a PG. They come from the philosphy if I say he’s not enough times maybe he won’t be.
By the way, the Kings will only win 15 games this year; We should have drafted Rubio; We should have hired Rambis; The teams relocating to LA; Geoff Petrie is the worst GM in the league; We are holding tryouts for Dennis Rodman: Tiger Woods had an affair with Mama Maloof.
I hope that's true
Tiger Woods had an affair with Mama Maloof.
Could help with the family finances and keep the Kings in Sacramento.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 18, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
It still baffles me that people say we should have drafted Rubio
Bill Simmons just tweeted that he still thinks we should have drafted Rubio today. I can the case for draftin Rubio based on pre-draft knowledge, but knowing what we know now, with the way Tyreke has been playing, how could there be any question that he’s a better fit for the team than Rubio.
Not to mention, when K-Mart gets back, I think people are going to be blown away by how well their games mesh, because Tyreke will hopefully let K-Mart focus on what he does best and take pressure off him to break down other teams off the dribble.
This is really just a case of him not watching Kings' games
We have two really good pass first point guards in Beno and Sergio, which would’ve made drafting Rubio a little redundant. If he watched the Kings he’d know this. At the time of the draft it made a ton of sense to want Rubio. Beno was crappy and overpaid. No one had any idea he’d be playing like this and making our need for a guy like Rubio almost non-existent. If Simmons watched the Kings, he’d know this.
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He's just infuriating when he's out of his element
He’s just like all “initially good, but now too famous” people: He’s very very good at a couple of things, funny commentary about New England sports and basketball in general, but now, because of that, he thinks he has license to opine confidently about things he doesn’t understand. Luckily, he hasn’t quite entered George Lucas/Michael Jordan in AAA baseball territory, because he sticks to what he knows in his column, but his Twitter account drives me nuts, because it’s his platform for informal bullshit he doesn’t really know a lot about.
Beno a pass-first point guard?
That’s certainly not what I’d call him. Brandon Jennings is probably more of a pass-first point guard than Beno. Beno is a 2 guard in a PG body.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Quick comparison
Udrih – 1 assist for every 2.7 shots.
Jennings – 1 assist for every 2.9 shots.
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Does that qualify him as a shoot-first or pass-first PG?
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
But whatever Udrih is, so is Jennings (and Evans, who comes in at 1 assist for every 3.1 shots).
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According to
this article from Basketball-Statistics.com, Beno is an “Initiator.” Looking at the list, which is based on last year’s stats, it’s obviously a category for point guards that suck. I don’t think any of our guys fit in that group this year.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the list of PGs
Ranked by shots per assist.
I got the stats from Yahoo, which doesn’t list Tyreke, Felton or Blake as PGs, so I added them in. Some of the others were on a non-qualifiers list due to lack of games played, so I may have missed a couple.
Shots Per Assist
George Hill, 3.86
Tyreke Evans, 3.08
Brandon Jennings, 2.94
Jordan Farmar, 2.86
Derrick Rose, 2.82
Jonny Flynn, 2.77
Mo Williams, 2.75
Beno Udrih, 2.68
Gilbert Arenas, 2.66
Aaron Brooks, 2.64
Rafer Alston, 2.63
Devin Harris 2.62
T.J. Ford, 2.50
D.J. Augustin, 2.35
Will Bynum, 2.27
Stephen Curry, 2.24
Raymond Felton, 2.16
Tony Parker, 2.16
Russell Westbrook, 2.11
Derek Fisher, 2.09
Jameer Nelson, 2.05
Jose Juan Barea, 2.05
Luke Ridnour, 2.05
Mike Bibby, 2.03
Chauncey Billups, 2.02
Andre Miller, 2.00
Carlos Arroyo, 1.95
Baron Davis, 1.91
Steve Blake, 1.79
Ty Lawson, 1.76
Sebastian Telfair, 1.74
Mike Conley, 1.73
Earl Watson, 1.60
Eric Maynor, 1.59
Mario Chalmers, 1.58
Deron Williams, 1.48
Chris Duhon, 1.34
Kyle Lowry, 1.30
Jason Williams, 1.28
Chris Paul, 1.28
Steve Nash, 1.11
Rajon Rondo, 1.05
Jason Kidd, 0.78
I’ll let you guys draw your own conclusions, but obviously Tyreke takes a lot of shots per assist compared to guys like Kidd, Rondo, Nash, Paul and Deron Williams.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry CC
I don’t follow. I thought you guys were comparing Beno and Jennings as pass first PGs.
On this BJ is a 2.94 and Beno a close 2.68. So this proves, I think, section’s point. Am I missing something here?
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But Udrih takes less than Jennings -
which was to your original point. So I guess if you want to say that Udrih is more of a shooting guard than Jason Kidd or Rajon Rondo, you are making a statistically valid point. If you are comparing Udrih to Jennings, not so much.
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Tyreke is a shoot-first point guard
and so, relatively speaking, are Beno and Jennings. At the head of the other end of the spectrum (pass first point guards) is Kidd, who averages 7.2 shots and 9.2 assists per game. Tyreke, by comparsion, takes 15.7 shots per game and averages 5.1 assists.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Sergio Rodriguez
1.59
which ties him with Eric Maynor….
by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Sergio
Relatively speaking, a pass-first point guard.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
If you'll allow me to pick at a nit,
everyone on that list is a shoot first pg except for Kidd, statistically speaking. But I get what you’re saying.
My bone of contention is the national knee-jerk reaction that Brandon Jennings (or Johnny Flynn) are natural point guards while Udrih and Evans are not, but the numbers don’t really support that.
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by section214 on Dec 20, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oooh, zing!
Section for the win. Plain Truth rec’d
by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I think it goes back to a few concepts
I think we can agree they are all guards. And when it comes to point guards, there are different styles, and there is some amount of crossover between point guards and shooting guards.
At one extreme are guys who bring the ball up, set up the offense, pass and rarely shoot. At the other extreme are the “Gimme the ball and go to hell” point guards in name only who are basically 2 guards.
Confusing the issue are the different roles team use their point guard in at different stage sof the game, particularly if they have point forwwards like Hedo or LeBron or 2 guards with handles like Kobe, Wade and Roy.
It kind of goes back to: Are they a good basketball player who gives you the right mix of ballhandling, scoring, passing and other aspects of the game that makes your team better? That’s kind of a wishy washy way of saying it’s hard to measure the ability of point guards.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
PGs: Some historical comparisons
Here are some of the shots per assist ratios of past great point guards (and a few present ones):
Shots Per Assist / Per Game Averages
- John Stockton 0.87 (9.1 shots, 10.5 assists)
- Magic Johnson 1.18 (13.2 shots, 11.2 assists)
- Steve Nash 1.32 (10.7 shots, 8.1 assists)
- Jason Kidd 1.33 (12.2 shots, 9.2 assists)
- Kevin Johnson 1.37 (12.5 shots, 9.1 assists)
- Chris Paul 1.45 (14.5 shots, 10.0 assists)
- Deron Williams 1.45 (13.0 shots, 8.8 assists)
- Isiah Thomas 1.74 (16.2 shots, 9.3 assists)
- Nate Archibald 1.95 (14.4 shots, 7.4 assists)
- Chauncey Billups (11.0 shots, 5.6 assists)
- Oscar Robertson 1.99 18.9 shots, 9.5 assists)
- Gary Payton 2.09 (14.0 shots, 6.7 assists)
- Bob Cousy 2.37 (17.8 shots, 7.5 assists)
- Tony Parker 2.37 (13.5 shots, 5.7 assists)
- Walt Frazier 2.49 (14.0 shots, 6.1 assists)
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 21, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the Raw Data
Knowing how many shots their assists were balanced against makes a big difference in understanding their roles within the team.
Good Points
I think a lot of comments that questioned whether Evans was a true PG were rooted in what was considered a huge need for the team.
Last season we longed for someone to run the offense. We had a great scorer in Martin, who didn’t need to handle the ball to be effective; we had shooters all around; we had young bigs whose lives could be made easier if someone could get them the ball in better spots. I recall last year that when either Beno or Brad Miller (pre-trade) wasn’t on the floor, the offense looked downright terrible — ball movement consisted of passing around the perimeter, there was no penetration…many possessions ended up with someone going one-on-one to score.
Season ends and draft day is upon us. We have many offensive weapons already, we just need someone to help harness that…enter the thought that we might “need a true PG”. We ended up with Evans, who many analysts considered a 2-guard, or a score-first PG…anything but a true PG.
At this point, I have two thoughts regarding Evans PG status: I don’t think Evans is a true point guard, and I also don’t think it matters. It turns out we didn’t necessarily need someone to be a pure distributor, we just needed someone to run the offense well, and Evans has done a great job of that so far. The fact that he can run the offense, create for teammates, and do this from a position where we needed an upgrade as a starter, works just fine for me.
So while (IMO) Evans might not be a true point guard, he is a great guard….and I’ll take a great guard any day.
by sactoreg on Dec 18, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Two huge points sactoreg, especially the first one
I don’t think Evans is a true point guard, and I also don’t think it matters
So while (IMO) Evans might not be a true point guard, he is a great guard….and I’ll take a great guard any day
Emphasis mine.
Good stuff
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Nice first post Vfettke
the only thing I want to add is this: as I recall Kfan came up with NaPG in a gamethread as a sarcastic reply when "Reke made a great pg play. Whenever I see someone post NaPG I don’t think they are saying that Evans isn’t a pg but rather more along the lines of “f*ck those guys who don’t think ’Reke can play the point”. So NaPG = Evans IS a point guard. (sarcasm)
I actually tend to agree with sactoreg that ‘Reke isn’t a pure point guard, he’s better than a pure point guard. I ionitially called him a 1.5. Now I think he is a pg+ or a 1+.
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SOFT!
True PGs have to be soft and can’t play a lick of defense. Tyreke can’t be a true PG. He is too damn tough and plays defense like a maniac.
Um, I am pretty sure most NaPG comments by StR members are sarcastic.
I don’t think there are but 1 or 2 frequent commenters who sincerely aren’t happy with Evans as a point guard.
I think most are looking forward to his future at the 1. But it is certainly a bonus that he is versatile to play 3 or even 4 positions. Kind of like Earvin Johnson, back in the day.
Being a “true” point guard speaks more to a players limitations due to size and how that player chooses to play.
I just really am shocked that anyone is upset by jokingly referring to Evans as being not a true point guard. He can play whatever the hell position the coaches want him at, and he is not limited the way, say, Steve Blake or Luke Ridnour is. Why would anyone seriously be upset about that?
The best point guards in this league succeed because they are great basketball players, not because they are “true point guards.”
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 18, 2009 4:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm not actually upset
and I do realize that most people are being sarcastic about. I just like being an abrasive asshole
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oh, just like pookey then
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 18, 2009 5:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why you don't want a true point guard
True point guards wear short-shorts.
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John Stockton was one of the most complete players ever.
And one of the toughest for his size. He played point guard, but he could do it all. And he was one of the smartest players ever.
But you know who I think of as similar to Stockton now? Kobe. Bryant is a complete player, happens to play shooting guard, but few players work harder and few are able to do as many things as he can.
Stockton and Kobe are both known for constantly being in the gym. Both will do whatever their team needs for them to win.
Also, I hate them both. But that’s another discussion.
But if Tyreke can become a competitor along the lines of either of those guys, he will be a future HoF player.
Whether he is at the point or the 2 or even the 3.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 18, 2009 5:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Also, Simmons has dropped off the last few years.
You have to sift through a lot of B.S to find anything insightful. Fortunately, he is more than happy to follow that formula.
With the abundance of great basketball writing by Henry Abbot, Kelly Dwyer, and Bethlehem Shoals, I am shocked that anyone could think of Simmons as really relevant as anything other than comedic relief.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 18, 2009 5:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I love Simmons' work actually
but I also take it for what it is. He brings an everyman/humorous quality to sports writing. I like Abbot and Dwyer too, but Shoals is too psuedo-intellectual for me.
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Seriously
fantastic book. Dude knows basketball. Read the intro to Simmons-Gladwell III where Gladwell talks about how Simmons knows so much about basketball that when Gladwell texted him saying he met a guy that had a gay affair with an NBA player back in the day and Simmons knew who it was (my guess is Wilt) or how he told Simmons he saw a 7 foot NBA player in Paris asking a concierge about what art show was at the Louvre and he knew it was Adonal Foyle.
Despite his writing style, which sometimes causes him to focus more on the jokes or making a point than the facts, he knows quite a bit about the game
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He does
It’s a shame that some people can’t look past the jokes and disses. I’ve said it many times that I take his columns for entertainment value but I do pay attenton when he talks about the actual game. Dude knows his stuff.
I’ts a big book so I’ll take me a bit to finish it but I just finished the ‘what if’ chapter. I’ve actually been meaning to write a post about ‘The Secret’ and how it relates to this current Kings team. I may write it soon.
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i think knowing about basketball
And knowing how to write well about basketball are 2 different things.
I think Simmons is intelligent, knows his audience, and panders to them. But there is no argument when it comes to how gimmicky he has gotten, how he, in his own words, “mails it in,” and how his best work recently has been playing off others, whether it is his readers or Malcom Gladwell or other sports writers.
Now, how awesome would it be if you had Gladwell as a more regular contributor to ESPN? How much more insightful would that be.
I do think Simmons has talent, and he is right about a lot of things. And I definitely think he would be a better NBA General Manager that half of the guys in that position right now. I have been a fan of his for years, and the last 4 or 5 have really been part of a steady decline in his writing. Maybe he is just focusing on other things. But I know what he was, what he could have been, and it hurts me to see him have constant disputes with his editors and ESPN, and have him seemingly stop caring about his writing.
The Book of Basketball if good, but I was hoping for less jokes, more insights, like what he wrote for Elgin Baylor earlier this year.
He still has a long career ahead of him. And as far as pop culture, I think he is a genius, and needs to be allowed to produce some of his crazy TV ideas.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 19, 2009 12:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think he needs to go back to his own website
Because it definitely seems as if he doesn’t like writing for ESPN anymore
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NaPG
Not a PookeyGuru
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Just skimmed it. Will come back and comment after the game
Just wanted to get a NaPG in here to piss you off.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Good stuff VF
Rec’d, but I will still use NaPG whenever he makes a particularly sweet pass. I can’t just abandon my creations because the piss you off. That’s actually a bonus.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 18, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
If its your creation I don't blame you
and like I said… I don’t really care that much
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Why would I create anything?
That takes brain power you tool.
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Lots of rookie mistakes tonight
which is what you’d expect.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 18, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions
Wishful thinking?
Often Tyreke’s ability to initiate the offense and create for others is insufficient and he needs to have someone next to help him out with that. That’s when he’ll split PG duties with Beno or Sergio—they both good at probing and creating—gettting the offense going.
When the PG duties fall solely upon Tyreke, the offense tends to stagnate. I am critical of Tyreke’s PG skills, but I’m a huge Tyreke fan, and I want him on the court. His PG skills and that mentality are a bit lacking right now, I believe—but he certainly can develop further in those regards, and I’m betting that he will.
So, I guess that I, like others have mentioned, don’t think that Tyreke is a true PG. I think he’ll turn out to be more in the mold of Arenas and Roy—the two guys you mentioned as giving him praise, two guys he matches up against well.
Overall, it’s no big deal. He’s a great piece to have and we can, as we have, make lineups that work with him.
Tyreke has his whole career to determine if his a PG
The problem now is that the KIngs don’t have a SG at this moment. And, we have 3 PG’s. And, the coach and the front office are totally avoiding the issue. They’re so set on selling the Tyreke is a PG line, that their ignoring the fact that he’s also the best SG we have at this point in time.
And, we have 3 PG’s. So instead of moving Tyreke to SG until Martins return, and starting Beno or Sergio, they decided to start a PF/SF at the 2.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Exactly.
It’s almost as if they don’t want to flirt with the idea of starting Evans at the 2 and Beno/Serge at the 1, even though that’s where they end up by the end of the game.
Overall though, the starting lineup doesn’t matter to me as long as the Kings are competitive.
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Tyreke: already near the top of the PG list
He’s played less than 30 games and still has a lot to learn, but the list is is pretty short of PGs better than Tyreke right now.
In my opinion, the only ones arguably better right now are Paul, Nash, Williams, Billups and Parker. There are some other guys like Rondo and Arenas and Nelson and maybe 2-3 others that have great skills as well and benefit from having more experience than Tyreke. But Tyreke is already a prime player in this conversation, and he’s only going to get better.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions
Amen, vfettke.
I don’t care if ‘Reke plays 1, 2 or 3 and Kevin has to play a little 3 when he comes back. As long as the Kings win and maintain their awesome chemistry, I’m good.
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He'll be a Star
I couldn’t care less about the designation. That said, it will be important I think to have a Beno on the roster with him for a few years.
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Ankle breaker
I’m thinking that your assessment of point #4 is a little off.
4. He doesn’t break ankles, but when you’re as strong and fast as him do you really need to?
As this clip shows:
Tyreke zigs, Collison zags on his ass.
Fezik, are there rocks ahead?
better comparison
Hi. I troll this site too and never speak up. Had to laugh during the Cavs broadcast as G-man tells me Tyreke is the next LeBron. Better comparison is late 80s Ron Harper, Cavs/Clippers years. Anyone remember young, badass Ron Harper? Before he took up space on the Bulls?
Remember that he was the PG in Phil’s triangle for a number of years.
I don't get the trolling portion of your statement
You’re not trolling anything here.
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