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Bailed Out By a Star: Kings 96, Bucks 95

It's not often you can actually see poor defensive rebounding finish off a team. Usually, the poor defensive rebounding puts the team in question in a bad position at the end of the game, and something else spells explicit doom. But, had it not been for the irrepressible Tyreke Evans, who made mincemeat pie of stud Bucks center Andrew Bogut on the game-winning bucket, this game would have been settled by Sacramento's terrible defensive rebounding.

Bogut missed two free throws down one with 42 seconds left. Studies have shown that the average NBA team rebounds opponent missed free throws at something like a 90 percent rate. But for roughly the dozenth time this season, the Kings gave up an offensive rebound, with Brandon Jennings somehow sneaking in to get the ball.

But it didn't stop there. Jennings missed a layup attempt. Rebound Bogut. Bogut missed his tip. Rebound Bogut. Another missed Bogut tip. Rebound Jennings, who drives back in and gets fouled by Spencer Hawes. The Kings could have ended the possession four times and taken the lead into the final half-minute. Hawes and Jason Thompson -- the frontcourt of the future -- were both on the floor. This wasn't smallball. This was a bad defensive rebounding team giving the game away on the defensive glass.

Of course, it didn't end up that way, because Thompson was brilliant on offense in the fourth (seven points on 3-3 shooting in the final 2 minutes, 40 seconds), because Hawes finished a monster dunk in the lane, and, of course, because of Evans, who came off a J.T. pick on that final play and deked Bogut all the way back to Tuesday. No blame on Bogey for that one -- what can a big guy do?. It's just another crosshatch in the early canon of 'Reke, one we won't soon forget.

Star-divide

I have no idea how Bogut ended up shooting 6-20 from the floor, given how effortless his possessions near the rim looked. Neither Hawes nor Thompson could stop him -- Bogut ended up getting enough tough bounces and failed tips to turn out an inefficient night, but in most games it wouldn't have gone that way. The only Buck who actually came out with a strongly efficient game was Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (14 points on five FGAs).

As for Jennings-Evans ... well, true to form, Jennings distributed more readily, while Evans owned on the scoreboard and defense. Evans won the battle and the game, but the narrative between those two will be told over the course of careers, not single nights. Can't wait until the war moves to Sacramento in March.

All told, a brilliant bounceback game for the Kings. Revenge against Chicago (just one game worse than Milwaukee right now) is next.

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I missed the second half

Too bad, looks like an exciting finish.

It also looks like Westphal shortened his rotation to nine, and Sergio was the odd man out. He also rode his starters a little more than usual and they and Beno logged all but 45 minutes.

The Kings are now 8-1 when JT gets a double-double.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

Crap... I wish I would've seen this game...

I saw Avatar instead. Good movie, but still… Why did I have to choose the 6:30 showing?

It was kind of satisfying hearing all of the Saints fans cursing loudly in the theater during the movie though.

"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine

by tomroadrunner on Dec 20, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

LOL.

Great day for sports. An undefeated streak ends and our boys win.

Avatar rocked. A bit formulaic and entertaining as hell.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Dec 20, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Hat tip to Beno

Another extremely efficient scoring line, but his defense on jennings was superb, especially considering the quickness and skill level of jennings. He did a great job of moving his feet and keeping jennings in front of him, which ain’t easy to do! Thought the continuation call JT received was a gift, but hey, I’ll take it!

As for Tyreke, he must have to wear specially designed underwear to keep his bowling-ball-sized stones from hurting himself or others.

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Dec 20, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

A-B-C

Always Be something awesome that starts with a C.

My head hurts, piss off.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Dec 20, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Always Be Clutch?

Rock out with your Brock out

by luckthefakers on Dec 21, 2009 1:27 AM PST up reply actions  

AUTOBeno. 14 points. 6-11 shooting. 4-4 FT. 3 Ast.

Plus adequate defense on Milwaukees’ rising rookie star.

Agreed about ’Reke’s ‘stones’, rider. However, I’m sure a few readers here would fight each other to hold ’Reke’s stones for him.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Dec 20, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

WarBeno

Was the player of the game IMO.

Puzzling to me that the Bucks actually let us run that play at the end. The 4-1 clear-out (or whatever it is) we try to run so often and teams collapse in on. They’d been doing a good job of collapsing all night and then at the cucial moment they left Bogut alone on an island against a guard.

Beat that dead horse. We’ve got to get another D rebounder.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

great finish to a great game.

Finally a close win on the road. J.T and Tyreke come up big at the end. A little momentum heading toward Chicago.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Dec 20, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

Chicago is scary; Rose went off for 32 to beat the Hawks

And now they have won 2 in a row. They are a better defensive rebounding team, thanks to Noah, who took Spencer and JT’s lunch money last game.

If there is a guard in the league who might pose a problem for Evans, I think it could be Rose. Maybe.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Dec 20, 2009 9:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

from your recap JT plays no defense and cant rebound

I missed the game due to being snowed in at friends house but, damn is JT supposed to grab every rebound? Rebounding like defense is a team effort. Looks like a good game I missed hope to catch it later today on replay, Go Kings, JT and Tyreke are becoming a nice consistant force for the Kings

by Beagle12 on Dec 20, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

Actually, I think JT has the size and skill to be a dominant rebounder

But mistakes like that last sequence happen even to great rebounders.

JT could definitely use some help on the boards from Spence. And he seems to be out of position for defensive rebounds a lot.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Dec 20, 2009 10:01 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

No, that's not what I'm saying

I’m saying the JT didn’t do very well guarding Bogut (who is really good) and that the frontline didn’t rebound on defense very well. JT is half of that equation, and we’ve touted his offensive rebounding in the past. This team needs better defensive rebounding, and if Spencer can’t give it, we need it from The Kid.

by Tom Ziller on Dec 20, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

True

Shock and Hawes did make Bogut miss a bit, he had a horrible shooting game.

But they need to follow through. They got lucky last night, sometimes I guess that’s better.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Dec 20, 2009 10:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

JT and Brockman

Put those two on the floor together and the rebounds shoot way up.. Just don’t know that they can match up well enough together against other teams’ big guys.

by MustangMBS on Dec 20, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone seems to be taking

Spencer’s lunch money. Grow some stones boy!

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by SayWhat? on Dec 20, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Interestingly, Paul Westphal stated he thought that this was perhaps finest game this season for Spencer

That said, at one point this board of posters were convinced that Hawes had some star potential. That has shrunk down to – I hope that someday SHawescan be a starter, but I don’t see it.

I think that he has a bad case of DesmondMason-itis; dexterity paralysis.

As for rebounding – Kenny Thomas and Brockman are superb individual defensive rebounders but are not seeing much play (due to their other limitations). In my mind, the best chance for this current crew to improve is to have Donté and Omri become better rebounders as JT is set, Spencer is Spencer, Evans is a force which leaves the SF position.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe the final answer

is on the roster at the moment.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

you mean, you expect a trade this season?

I am only referring to current roster, current season.

I am skeptical that another deal is imminent. Mostly due to money, and secondarily to purpose. Unless the FO is confident that this group of overacheivers are an 8th place playoff team.

The lottery is upcoming and the position of strongest need is also the position of draft strength – two years in a row this has been tailor made for the Kings. The Kings can upgrade what they need at a very low cost. ARCO is still struggling, the economy has been disfavorable and the Maloofs are accummulating liquid assets to offset their unfortunate ill timed speculative investments.

If this Kings team, which hasn’t peaked on the talent front (see Martin, Kevin) is in position to make a run at the playoffs (another 2/3 of the season to go) they take the risk of being the 14th team in the lottery. Yuck. You can be Dwyane “Tyreke” Wade in the East and make the playoffs (they would be 6th) and help sell ARCO seats, but in the West the Kings are tied for the 11th spot.

Long answer to a short comment: I don’t see a roster change this year.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about this season

But I think a trade is coming.
I’d guess that they are starting to believe that they are really only one good (younger) piece and some experience from developing into a good playoff team in the next few years and are thinking about how to do that during KMs prime.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Peja and J-Will were rookies

the last time GP started making some serious moves for mostly younger Vets, and we already have one or two of those sitting on the bench and coming back soon.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I really think Okafor would be a huge boost to this team

Although I understand that its not my money going to pay him. Also, I can see the idea that adding Okafor gets us to possibly the 8th seed this year which some could see as useless. But on the other side, can we really get someone better than Okafor in the draft?

Ahh, I’m split.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Dec 20, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Join the club

But I think 7th, 8th or worse is already a near lock. Moving from 7th to 12th might be the question.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I think by 8th seed he meant playoffs, not draft position

I’m all for getting someone like Okafor. I just depends on what we have to give up.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 20, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

wasn't the offer

k-9 for Okafor a month or so ago? I thought the debate was more regarding picking up Okafor’s contract. Either way it seemed like the Maloofs put an end to that rumour pretty quickly.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Dec 20, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That was the rumor, but who knows what

was really going on. They may have wanted a pick or Hawes or JT thrown in.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 21, 2009 4:43 AM PST up reply actions  

The only problem will Okafor

is he gets owned against bigger centers. He’s a center in name only.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Fortunately

There are only three or four of those that do.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Guess what all four who do

All those teams are contenders:

LA, Orlando, Boston and even Cleveland:

1. Gasol/Bynum
2. Howard
3. Garnett/Perkins
4. Shaq and Illgauskas.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Dec 20, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

NEWSFLASH

Its something we’ll have to overcome if the opportunity arises to go against those guys in a playoff series – we’re not getting a top-five Center.

Top ten sounds pretty good to me.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 21, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

For me Tyreke has proven that position tags really don't mean much.

My point was more focused on our rebounding needs and from what I remember he fills those needs although I haven’t seen him play in a while. If memory serves correct he did eat us alive a couple weeks back though.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Dec 20, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Okafor

He’s had three double-doubles in three games against us this season, and seven double-doubles in his other 22 games.

The numbers against us:

  • 11 points, 13 rebounds, 4 blocks in 32 minutes.
  • 20 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks in 31 minutes.
  • 17 points, 12 rebounds, 4 blocks in 35 minutes.

According to Basketball Reference, he had three of his best five games of the year against us in terms of GameScore, a formula created by John Hollinger to measure the effectiveness of a player in each game.

Surprisingly, the Hornets are only 5-5 in the games he’s gotten a double-double in.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 21, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Evans in December

21.6 / 5.9 (A) / 5.1® / 1.8 (S). This puts him at 20.0 / 5.1 / 5.1 for the season, joining only LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Joe Johnson in the 20/5/5 club for the year.

Wow.

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by section214 on Dec 20, 2009 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

Who the hell is Tyreke Evans?

Free comedy tip:

Find something marginally funny, and beat it to death.

Then keep doing it for another six weeks.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Dec 20, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Great tip

TWSS

Eric Maynor >

Soft!

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by section214 on Dec 20, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Chuck Norris is flattered that anyone would think of him as anywhere near the same terms as Eric Maynor.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Proof yet again why you're not a professional comic.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I've never been a comic

I just find something ridiculous someone else says, and respectfully insist that you look at it.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Dec 20, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Heh.

LIar.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If he maintains that pace, he would be only the fourth rookie ever. I'm sure somebody probably mentioned it around here, but if not:

The previous three that had 20-5-5 were Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, and LeBron James. It’s just sick to even type that. HE is amazing. The man that saved Sacramento basketball?

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by The Czar on Dec 20, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

i hadn't heard that

….(uncomfortable silence)

Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!

by debrixtha1 on Dec 20, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems we have really

digressed in rebounding. To begin the season off, that was an area we had dramatically improved on in addition to team defense. Either we have gotten worse or everybody has gotten better.

Can we become a good defensive team, or are personnel changes the only remedy?

by nothingbutnet on Dec 20, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

I agree, rebounding needs to be improved.

But I think we didn’t digress (get off topic) as regress (go backward).

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 20, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the vocab lesson.

Now I feel stupid as I’m sure this isn’t the only time I have made this mistake.

by nothingbutnet on Dec 20, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

She just likes being StR's resident grammar lecturn.

Don’t take it personally.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Sublime response

Well played.

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Dec 20, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Early in the morning, risin’ to the street
Light me up that cigarette and I strap shoes on my feet
Got to find a reason, a reason things went wrong
Got to find a reason why my money’s all gone
I got a Dalmatian, and I can still get high
I can play the guitar like a mother fuckin’ riot

Life is too short, so love the one you got
’Cause you might get run over or you might get shot
Never start no static, I just get it off my chest
Never had to battle with no bulletproof vest
Take a small example, take a tip from me
Take all of your money, give it all to charity

Love is what I got, it’s within my reach
Yeah, and the sublime style’s still straight from long beach
It all comes back to you, you’ll finally get what you deserve
Try and test that, you’re bound to get served
Love’s what I got, don’t start a riot
You’ll feel it when the dance gets hot

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

You're on a roll

!

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Dec 20, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Lecturn?

You just called her a piece of furniture. That is just offal

by MustangMBS on Dec 20, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If I have to be a lectern, can I be this one?

Simple yet elegant, functional and decorative.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 20, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Perfect you LPA.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Bah, I hate that one.

Your zipper might be down. I want the one where you could hide somebody else inside. That way your zipper could still be down and nobody would know.

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by The Czar on Dec 21, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's 3 things

One, the Kings need better defensive personnel on the interior to help Hawes & JT. Right now they’re the lone Mohicans, and it wears them down. As it stands, IMO, Hawes is a better post defender than JT is. (Well, he’s just better defensively period.)

2nd, this Kings team has only had 26 games together, and chemistry, IMO, means as much defensively for offensively geared players (which the Kings have) as it does for defensively geared players to figure it out offensively.

3rd, the coaching staff has only coached this group (as a whole) for 26 games. This team finished 30th in defensive efficiency a year ago, and plugged a major hole on 2 ends with Tyreke. They improved rotation depth with Omri Casspi, and a tough hombre who will eat everyone’s lunch in Jon Brockman. In the NBA, you don’t go from zero to hero with rookie’s. You just don’t.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

By the way the last time the Kings finished better in league average of defensive efficiency

It was 2005-06. So, yeah.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Hawes v. Thompson...

I disagree about Hawes being a better defensive player than Thompson. Hawes is a better natural shot blocker but I think he get’s pushed all over the place in the post. Thompson IMO is becoming a very good position defender and improving as a shot blocker. Where both of these guys lack is in the defensive rebounding department. If Hawes doesn’t improve overall but specifically as a rebounder asap, Petrie is going to have to look at the C position in the off-season as THE position of need- and I don’t mean depth but a starter. Two months ago I thought it was going to be the small forward position but the development Casspi and improvement of Greene has made the glaring weakness Hawes.

Your going to hate this statement Pook but I think the Kings would be much better team today if Marcin Gortat was the starting center. Defense, rebounding and toughness vs. finesse, finesse, finesse. I wonder if Orlando is ready to get out of that MLE contract yet.

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I let you type critics write and I just keep it hood.
That will never change.
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by jjham15 on Dec 20, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

lot of lunch eating today

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Dec 20, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Center is position of need for sure.

D rebounding by Spence and JT seems to be a problem because neither boxes out very well. Too often I see both on the floor looking up at the rim and not paying attention to who they need to put a body on. Defensive/Rebounding C is an offseason deal needed. However, everything else looks great. Reke w Kevin coming back will be sick.

by amonk81 on Dec 20, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with your Hawes/Thompson analysis...

but…

Although Greene has improved, he’s played incredibly average or below average since his 24 point, 6 blocks & 6 threes breakout game. I hope Greene becomes at least as offensively consistent as Casspi, who has looked brilliant of late. It’s only 20-something games in so I’m sure Greene will snap out of his minor shooting slump.

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by JETisKing on Dec 20, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Donte', as much he has struggled on other things lately

either read my comments (hah) or the coaching staff told him the same thing.

He has been much better rebounding the last two or three games. I’m still very encouraged by his progress, as halting and dis-jointed as it has been. He still has a chance to put all the pieces together (thats it, he’s got it all – but it’s not connected very well often enough yet) and be a very very good player in this league.
A year from today we’ll really know for sure i think.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Donte has averaged 6.5 rebounds in 15 min the last two games.

The difference the last two games is that he has been playing PF instead of SG. And, his defense on Warrick & Ilyasova was great. And, Omri has always been a good rebounder at the SF position.

As to JT & Spencer, I think JR said it best. Bogut wasn’t a very good Center in his first couple of years either. JT isn’t a great defensive rebounder, but he gets in and battles at both ends of the court. JT has 11 games where he had double digit rebounds, but in 5 of them then had 1/2 or more of his rebounds on the offensive end. Spencer doesn’t have the strengh or leaping ability to dominate the boards, Yet. And, he doesn’t seem to anticipate how the ball is going to come off the rim, and it puts him in a poor rebounding position. Given the time to develop like Bogut has had, and Spencer could be a very fine Center.

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by HighTops on Dec 20, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoops

You just beat me to it

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going one handed today

my final cup ’o joe is in the other.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Slow slow slow

You must be getting old lttg.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I bought myself seasons 2 and 3 of Dexter

we stayed up too late watching

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Good call

I rented season 1 from Blockbuster before I came back to Sac. I’m pretty addicted to Dexter after watching that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Season 4 just ended

in Peaches voice: “oooooh boy”.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh. LOL

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by pookeyguru on Dec 21, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure about the brilliant part.

I think down the road Spencer maybe a capable off the bench center but he is no starter. Given his lack of athleticism he’s really going to have to play smart.

This means lots and lots of practice, including the off season.

by nothingbutnet on Dec 20, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither are instinctive rebounders

JT does pretty well because of his quick feet and hustle but I wonder if he’ll ever be a great one(?). Some serious weight room work in the off-season, something he acknowledged early this year he regets not doing last summer, will help him both defensively and offensively I think.
I’ll wager he comes into next season Much bigger and stronger. I think he can do that without affeting the athleticism he brings. I want to mention here that last year he had pretty terrible footwork on offense and defense and that he has come a loooong way.
But back to my point. Truly Great rebounders are instinctive ones. DLee, brockman, KLove are good examples. They Know which way the ball will bounce even before it hits the rim. There are rebounding drills that can help a lot and the Kings should run them again and again, Its our biggest weakness.

I’m just not convinced at this point that the final solution is currently on our roster.
He’s out there – somewhere.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I hadn't read your post before I posted the same thing about instinct

And, I totally agree with you. Neither JT or Spencer will ever dominate the board with their poor vertical leaping ability. But, a 6’11" & 7’, they should do reasonably well once they learn to anticipate and improve their block out technic.

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by HighTops on Dec 20, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

someone with more knowlege (that shouldn't be too hard) about rebounding could answer this

but that hasn’t stopped any of my previous opinions on other topics so…

Rebounding is a collection of different abilities:
on the athletic front: strength: both shoulder and core, jumping ability: vertical, hang time and possibly most importantly, quickness off your feet, hand strength and dexterity (think grabs and tips), arm quickness
on the BBIQ side: positioning and boxing out, angles read, opponent and team/teammate predilection(s)
on the physical side: height, arm length, vision
lastly, motor: stamina, energy, desire

Why do you think Coach Paul stated that if Jon Brockman was 3 inches taller he would be illegal? Look at a rebounding savant like Krazy Dennis Rodman, or Ben Wallace (5 seasons ago).

One can excel at enough of these things to be a good or very good rebounder. Spencer and JT have enough of these abiities or their reasonable potential to improve. That doesn’t help much today. but they will both get better as they are both young, smart and eager.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

All good points,

But like Rodman, you just need the right combination. Rodman wasn’t the biggest, or tallest, and he didn’t rebound by boxing out. Rodman had a great nose for the ball but his true skill was his leaping ability. Rodman at 6’8" and 240lbs, could leap high enough to challenge even the best of centers.

He wouldn’t go up and get the ball and bring it down. He would tip it up away from his opponent, and with his exceptional quickness, he would be able to go up again before his opponent would recover. Using this method, he could simply continue to tip the ball up against multiple players, playing keep away until he was able to go up and get it uncontested. To maintain his leaping ability, Rodman use to ride an exercise bike after every game to maintain his stamina.

So, it’s not always who goes up and gets it first, but who goes up and gets it last.

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by HighTops on Dec 20, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way

I’m all for adding another talented big man. Don’t get me wrong, its a gaping hole on this roster right now.

But I think people underestimate the difficulty of finding the player people ask for. You know: some solid moves in the post, athletic, blocks shots, sets good screens, good rebounder, intimidates and defends the post well and is at least 6’10".

How many guys that fit the bill in the entire NBA? Props for jjham15 for picking an actual player, Gortat. I haven’t seen him enough to have a solid opinion.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 20, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh - I know how hard it is

about 10 teams would like the same thing right now. Luckily, the Year of the PF is coming. (I think)
We need a stop gap now though and yes, I think Gortat is a good choice. He’s the right price payroll-wise, has some offense and plays very good D. He’s some serious muscle, which we need but also is pretty quick on his feet.

Orlando is going to want something good for him though.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Stop-gap?

I don’t see why we need a stop-gap. Sure, it would be nice, but we’re not contending. I don’t see adding a long contract stop-gap this season, maybe next if we’ve significantly progressed.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 20, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

He could be a lot more than that

at a good price. He’ll also be a valuable asset in other ways as big men are always in demand.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

or she

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Dec 20, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Its hard to say who is better

because Spencer almost always guards the legitimate post player on the opposing team, so clearly the coaches think he is better.

Spencer also is left one-on-one fairly regularly with opposing big men, where JT almost always is given help if he’s posted up by anyone with legit game. Again, this indicates to me where the coaches faith is in their respective abilities.

I also think Hawes’ role limits his defensive rebounding opportunities. He’s either guarding the post guy for the ball or is coming to help against a driver. If you are defending the guy that shoots near the basket, you are very unlikely to get a defensive rebound.

All of that being said…….there’s tons and tons and tons of room for Spencer to get better, certainly including rebounding. I think PW’s comments after the game last night though indicate he isn’t as bothered by Spencer’s defensive rebounding as most here are. I’m not trying to excuse his play, sometimes this season he’s been dreadful, but I don’t think the front office and coaches are as down on Hawes as this board tends to be.

Spencer’s been really, really active, and pretty smart to date post-benching. I think PW’s gone from pissed off to moderately happy.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 20, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

If you go back & watch the game 4-3

You’ll notice the rebounding margin was actually created in the final minute. Most of the game, it was pretty even between both teams.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Something I was going to mention

but besides the point in what we’re discussing I think.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

We’re asking if that combo is the final solution for a real contending team.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

We have plenty of options

before we get to contending status. Draft picks (likely at least one pretty good one), probably two summers of signings, probably enough cap space to add at least one pretty expensive guy.

I don’t think anyone is sure JT/Hawes are the final answers, but giving up on either is still premature. One way or another, you need at least 3 big guys that get time anyway, and certainly if we’re lucky, we only have 2 of them on the roster now.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 20, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Did I say give up?

I didn’t.
 I’m completely convinced though that Hawes at least needs some help to take some of the pressure off for the next few years.
We don’t want to break his confidence by setting him up to fail.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I am having trouble seeing the distinction

between the question of JT/Spence being the final solution and if they aren’t, how that doesn’t mean giving up on one or both of them.

Let’s put it this way, I’m not willing to give up any future assets (including money) to give Spencer help this year. If we spend assets on someone that might make a difference when we are good (Okefor or Gortat for example) then I’d consider it.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 20, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to waste anything valuable

on garbage either
- just to be clear.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

there are exactly 16 players the kings could trade for right not that are better rebounders then JT

JT is the 17th best rebounder in the NBA, he will get stronger pleas remember he just stopped growing in his sr year of college and is now maturing physically. Watch JT on the defensive block he will usually do a good job of boxing out and often it is sombodyelses man that was not boxed out grabbing a rebound. I think the Kings should Trade K-mart for a lottery selection say maybe to NJ, then look to get John Wall in the draft and sign a free agent PF/C and watch the wins go up in the next year or two

by Beagle12 on Dec 20, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Wall > Kevin

I think you could get a consensus on even this board for that notion. NJ might want more: Kevin and our first-rounder. Not sure what other garbage we’d have to take to make the deal work or if another team would have to be involved.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

The rebound on the missed FT really pissed me off, but it wasn't for lack of effort.

Three Kings went after the ball and seemed to knock each other out of the way. Somebody got body checked, I think it was Omri and the ball just kind of squirted out of there and right to Jennings. IT wasn’t like Milwaukee went in there and took the rebound away. It was a lucky bounce and the Kings’ own aggressiveness seemed to hurt them on that one. Kenny Thomas probably should have been in on that play and Westphal knows it as he made the switch right away on the next FT attempt. Spencer just doesn’t have great hands and that may be his undoing as he is letting too many get away like that.

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by The Czar on Dec 20, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

Team win number 12! Evans adds another notch on the RoY post, and for the first time in sometime, the Kings have a true "go-to" guy

The Kings players know it, the coaches know it, the opposing coaches and players know it, the announcers know it, the fans everywhere are learning it. Pundits, not so much.

It is one thing that we talk about how Tyreke is a leading candidate for rookie of the year, that the Kings are a scrappier crew and Coach Paul is as comfortable a fit as a cashmere sweater.

The mold for superstar is there for Tyreke Evans. This game helped to solidify that presence. Is there any doubt? Two games ago (please do a memory erase of the Minny game on me, someone), on his national TV debut this 20 year old matches up with the known star of the opposite team, their go-to guy and steals the ball, the goes to the FT line and seals the win. This time – another big game as he matches up against his only contempory from this year’s draft class – and Jennings is damn good in case you didn’t notice – and just as Jennings made two big plays – the two FT’s on the rebound sequence described above and then the inbound save and bullet pass assist to Ilyasova it looked like a headline – “Evans with 22 as Jennings gets Bucks the win” – until Evans happened.

Last play of the game, the Kings superstar, their go to guy has the ball inbounded to him and drove in for the score. End of story. Wow, what a story.

It is amazing when your dreams and virtual situations become a reality as a fan. Is there a better way this season could be going? This guy is a gift wrapped superstar. Happy Holidays.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

Reke is awseom!!!

We are lucky, as Kings fans, to get a stud like this. Thanks to Petrie and staff. And I look forward to the best back court in the NBA when Kmart comes back.

by amonk81 on Dec 20, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

+10. Keyword: "go-to guy"

Superstars are made from great moments…and Tyreke is already building a healthy resume.

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by JETisKing on Dec 20, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Martin is an All-Star hopeful, Tyreke Evans is a Superstar in the making

The growth to superstar: the seed is planted: the right Coach is in place – just add playing time.

bold prediction: next season, Tyreke Evans will make the All-Star team and knock out Kevin Martin’s chances despite his playing (near all or) all of the first 50 games of the 2010-11 season.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Fire Westphal!

This game would’ve been a blow-out if he would’ve played Chapu for more than one play in the fourth quarter!

by chapuforyou on Dec 20, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

dude, your guy must have tasted some of the beer that made Milwaukee famous

1-7 in 25 minutes of play. Not one of his finest performances. But otherwise I agree. It was Westphal’s fault that Andres did not play more in the 4th Q.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed 100%, chapu

Noc was 1-7 from the field. Had we left him in, Milwaukee would have blown us out.

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by section214 on Dec 20, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

That's some sick joke right?

Noc hasn’t played 10 minutes of good defense since he defended Durant so well a while back.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 20, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

It's true that Noc had some really important rebounds

and he was trying to score inside more than just launching 3’s. I may also be true that he plays better defense than Udoka, but Udoka can defend 2’s and Noc not so much. If Noc’s shooting slump doesn’t end soon, he might just end up the 3rd string SF. Omri & Donte’s defense is starting to look better than Noc’s. And, so does their rebounding. I hope he snaps out of it soon. His shooting slump that is.

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by HighTops on Dec 20, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a big Casspi guy

but he made some big mistakes on D last night. He left his man several times when he didn’t need to, resulting in open shots for his man (Ilysova usually).
He looks to me that he’s going to be a good defender though, he’s already pretty good, just needs some experience
 
I’m also confused why he didn’t take a few more shots. Maybe tired from the 4 in 5 nights thing, though he generally looked Ok on his feet out there.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a lot of blown coverage by a lot of players every game.

especially when the go to double. As far as Ilysova, I don’t believe he was Omri’s man. Usually JT, Spence & Greene played him. I’m pretty sure Warrick & Ilysova played PF for Milwaukee. Mbah a Moute was the starting SF, I believe.

Although I think your right that Omri got caught between covering his own man and going to help out, and made the wrong choice a couple of times. I also believe that Omir & Donte we’re some of the best man defenders for the Kings last night.

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by HighTops on Dec 20, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Ilyasova is not an easy cover

This is not the first double digit board game he’s managed this season either. People are sleeping on Ersan Ilyasova for some reason, but the guy can really play.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sleeping on him

I watch more international ball than most, so I knew he’d become a killer rebounder overseas. He was better than Hedo in the Euro Championships this year too.

I have him on both my fantasy teams as well :P.

I think most people are sleeping on him because he plays for Milwaukee, and his name is Ersan Ilyasova. He’s not flashy at all. If Omri ever boards like Ilyasova does that would be rather ridiculous.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 20, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You're a Greek Douche.

I expect nothing less from you.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I took another look, it wa Delfino he left 3 times

who hit 2 or 3 3s. (two for sure when Omri left)

Anyway, he’s a rookie and already a decent defender. He has an urge to be where the action is and gets dragge away from his man from time to time. Delfino made him pay for it.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 21, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

It's difficult to analysis since we don't know PW's scheme

Usually, the help defender is set based on who they cover. For his career Defino is a 36% 3pt shooter, but PW may still have had Omri play off him as the main help defender. I know that Noc often plays off his man, to help defend & rebound. And, he gives up a lot of 3’s also. I don’t believe either is a bad defender or a stat hunter.

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by HighTops on Dec 21, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I really want to send Kelly Dwyer an e-mail

His Prediction for the Kings this year was us winning 12 games all year. I like Dwyer, but that was foolish and disrespectful. So eat it KD.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 20, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

Do it

Try to get a mea culpa from that guy.

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 20, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

V already did

Look in the post game thread.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I see that now

Classy showing from KD.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 20, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I sent him the article on Twitter

Predictably, no response.

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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 21, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Just like on draft day...

…Jennings showed up late to fall behind Evans.

by DirtyDribblers on Dec 20, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Quick note on boards

You guys covered a lot of stuff so I won’t bother. But as Pookey (I believe) said earlier, the boards battle was won by the bucks in the last couple minutes. If you were to go back and see how they got those O boards, you’ll realize most of them (not all) were lucky bounces off of long shots. Rebounding was a problem the last couple games, bt on this particular instance, there was a lot of luck involved and not so much lack of effort (aside from the missed FT) or technique.

I thought that was important to note.

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by edm7 on Dec 20, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

Butter balls made them look like turkeys

lots of slip through the hands rebounding. Lots of grabbing a boad and bringing it down low and slapped free.

One of the things that Bogut, Bynam and Brendan Haywood do well is use their height to full advantage. They play tall. The ball stays high. Spencer would do well to play that way and those bobble balls will be less likely to end up in the opponents possession.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Three people won the game for the Kings

Tyreke of course, there’s been enough said about that.

 My number 2 was PW. The plays that we ran coming out of timeouts, worked to perfection. And, I think his rotations worked to perfection. I especially liked his decision in the 4th to play Beno at the point along with Tyreke. True we lost the advantage of having Tyreke defended by Jennings, but Tyreke had been beating Delfino & Meeks the entire game. And, Beno had been his usual scoring machine all game.

My final hero of the game was Beno. Not only did he score but he defended Jennings better than anyone could have hoped. When he ran the point, he got the offense started quicker, and the offense ran smoothly. I thought at the start of the game, Tyreke was a little tentitive bring the ball up against Jennings. And, we had trouble getting into our offense, to the point that we had two 24sec clock turnovers.

As a side note, I was very impressed with Jennings poise. Especially in the final minutes when to went to the line and hit all 4 FT. He is an amazing rookie, even if he did play one year of pro ball.

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by HighTops on Dec 20, 2009 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

If BJ3 wasn't a rookie

Neither was Dirk Nowitzki or Tony Parker.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 20, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I did call him an amazing rookie

Although the title is slightly tainted once they get paid to play ball outside the NBA. Even if the NBA still considers them NBA rookies. College still considers them pros, and they can’t go back to school and play, so in reality there is some differentiation there. And, a few years ago they wouldn’t be allowed to play in the Olympics. I think the only reason that changed is that so many foreign players were making it into the NBA, that the National teams needed it to change to allow them to kept their best players on the team.

But thanks. And, I do consider BJ3 a valid candidate for ROY.

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by HighTops on Dec 20, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I didn’t see the whole game, but was impressed by what I did see. He has good point guard skills, a deadly outside shot and a lot of quickness. The Bucks definitely got a keeper.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Jennings

9:1 assist:TO for the game. Poise. played within his game and with his team. He is a real Point Guard.

But not rookie of the year. Ha!

by betweentheeyes on Dec 20, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The best thing about the Minnesota game

is that the score at the beginning of the next game was 0-0. Plus, when you play that bad, you’re so embarrassed you want to do everything you can to get rid of the stench in the next one.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

So does that mean that after a great game like the Bucks game,

your so busy smelling the sweet aroma of success, that you don’t notice that you just stepped into shit?

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by HighTops on Dec 20, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Not only that

But if you step in shit, you want to Know where more of it is so you can repeat the process. Superstitions and all that.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 20, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember what Jerry said about Bogut during the game

and maybe Spencer needs more time to develop and more patience.
Also, did anyone watch Georgia Tech v Florida State? Wasn’t too impressed
with Favors (athlete with low BB IQ, kicked out a ball in the low block with nobody
guarding him and you could hear the crowd gasp) and Lawal who Kings probably won’t have a chance to draft, but Alibi is definately not the answer….I tried to keep an open mind but he’s too slow in every which way, not physical enough, ball slips through his hands….give Spencer some more time. Moultrie, Sanders, Monroe and Brackins are on the short list.

by getPGwithbounce on Dec 20, 2009 11:06 PM PST reply actions  

"...too slow in every which way, not physical enough, ball slips through his hands..."


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