Don’t be surprised if some teams lacking the cap space to sign a max free agent next summer decide on a pre-emptive strike before the trade deadline, essentially making their big acquisition now as opposed to waiting. One such team could be Sacramento, which entered Monday night’s game in Chicago with a surprising 12-14 record. The Kings have Kenny Thomas’ coveted expiring contract, which they had every intention of keeping until it fell off the books July 1. But with the team only two games off the pace for the eighth spot in the West, GM Geoff Petrie might be willing to move Thomas, who makes $8.6 million, if a deal presented itself that would give the team a better chance at making the postseason. It’s too early to get a read on Petrie’s attitude toward such things, partly because Sacramento has benefited from one of the easiest schedules in the league thus far.
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Love the speculation,
but Petrie will not make a move until KMart is reintegrated into the lineup and we see how the slightly healthier Kings play together.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
I don't understand
why people think this and/or think this is a good idea. If there is a chance to upgrade the talent on the team, don’t you do that regardless of who is capable of playing? If not, why wouldn’t he wait until Cisco comes back too?
Because Cisco is no longer that important to the core of the team
And depending on how well Kevin and Reke play together, the Kings may only be one more piece and a few years of experience away from being contenders. If that’s the case, then acquiring somebody like Okafur might be a good idea now. If they’re further away than that, then they’re probably better off waiting another season (or 2) before making a big move. Too soon to know how good this team really is right now.
I was being a bit facetious with the Cisco comment
But I think my point still stands.
If you can make the team better – today, tomorrow, next month, next year – why would you not do that? What is it that would be given up? Cap room that may or may not be used?
I don’t care about the playoffs this year – the only real reason the Kings’ brass would be interested in the playoffs at this point is revenue. Setting the team to be better sooner than later? Well, yes, I am interested in that.
Wins = attendence = new Arena?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
If they'd really tried while the team was on the way up?
Hope can create some momentum.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
The only way there is a new arena in Sacramento is if the public doesn't vote
I think the pro-arena politicians have already started in that direction anyway.
It's that last half a sentence that curbs my enthusiasm...
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by andy sims on Dec 22, 2009 8:16 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
True
Only two teams have had an easier SOS so far. But on the other hand, that may very well play to our advantage. We had an easier schedule while speed was out and Evans was learning. We are young and still have hope.
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I noticed this
the other day when looking at the schedule. Luckily we have thusfar beaten (most) the teams we are supposed to beat. Hopefully we can start stealing a few games here and there as the schedule gets harder.
I will say that the easier schedule has benefited the team, as these wins have worked to get the city and the nation thinking about the team again.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
Starting Wed and through much of Jan
Its gets very tough.
Now, we didn’t win our 13th until Feb 27th last season so I think we’re still doing more than just pretty damn good.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think the road schedule can get much tougher
But the home schedule certainly will. It will be fun to see this team play some of the upper echelon teams at home.
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by otis29 on Dec 22, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We havn't gone to LA, Boston, Orl, or Cleveland yet
(or Denver I think)
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
The next two games are going to hurt after this euphoric win,
let’s hope the Kings keep the momentum going.
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They just have to play hard - to compete
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
They have the ability to win both
Not saying they will, but they will certainly be sky high. Watching Udoka and Tyreke cover LeBron and Kobe will be fun and another good test of where this team can go this season.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
All things being equal
come on, the &akers win by 10-15
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
That's why they play the games
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
All things being equal, nobody comes back from being down 35 points...
…just sayin.
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by PhutureKings on Dec 22, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
truth
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Cleveland and the Lakers
play on Christmas, so maybe our game with those teams are letdown games for them.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
it will give the Kevin bashers tons of ammo when he comes back and our record gets worse.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
They are idiots.
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by andy sims on Dec 22, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly this.
The schedule will make it look like when he comes back we start losing. I hope we get a little “shock the world” going so it will not fall so heavily on Kevin.
by mayfieldcol on Dec 22, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Chad Ford, chatting now
“I think the Kings are already beginning to explore their options with Kevin Martin. Clearly Tyreke Evans is the teams new alpha dog and they’d be better off with him playing the 2 and getting a real point guard on the team. I think there will be a lot of interest in Martin when he comes back and could definitely see the Kings making a move by the trade deadline. I wonder if the Wolves would send a package of Mark Blount and Oleksiy Pecherov’s expiring contract and the rights to Ricky Rubio whether the Kings would bite. Would be a great deal for both teams.”
I thought we had a real PG in Beno..Well technically just throwing them both on the floor is just great anytime for me!
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What an idiot!
Blount, Pecherov and Rights to Ricky? Asss
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I mean, unless Ford expects the Kings to go out and get Bosh in the offseason, that trade has little value (especially the expiring) to the Kings.
Heck, would Rubio even be able to come to Sacramento? Would he even want to come?
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Plus, doesn't Rubio have another season after this one in Europe?
Trading Martin for Rubio in a year and a half? Riiiiiiiight.
probably 2 more seasons after this because if I remember rightly (doubtful)
after his third full season away from the NBA I don’t think he is subject to the rookie salary levels and can sign for what he can get
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We need two more PGs???
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
It all sounds
so Easy now.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
well I was thinking maybe we could work something out for Eric Maynor
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by Bluejohn on Dec 22, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i like this trade
very much! Esp if we could turn around and trade Rubio and 2 picks for Bosh…JT, Bosh, Caspi, Reke, Sessions (Beno, Cisco Hawes, Greene off the bench) That’s a tough team to beat
by shadowchicken on Dec 22, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
I appreciate that Chad Ford seems to get a ton of insider information, and he is fun to read just for that, but his team analysis always sucks ass. When he ventures into opinion or speculation, rather than just repeating gossip and whispers, he sounds like he might be the dim cousin of Peaches.
by MichaelMack on Dec 22, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
It's getting too close to Christmas
do not even get me started on the Eastern Media Elite.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
Also from Ford's chat, he answers a question about his Evans to Stackhouse comparison
I think Evans has been better. But not by much. Here’s a comparison from their rookie years.Evans: 36 mpg, 20 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg, 46% FG, 27% 3, 3 TO pgStack: 37 mpg, 19 ppg, 4 rpg, 4 apg, 41% FG, 32% 3, 3 TO pg
and also says
Not true. Lots of people at the time felt Stackhouse was going to be a star. The problem for Stack came when AI joined the team and the two of them couldn’t exist on the court. He was traded to Detroit, and after a slow start there averaged nearly 30 ppg in his 2000-01 season. Issue for Stack was he never developed a reliable jump shot and was pretty one dimensional. Evans will have the same issues later in his career if he can’t become a dangerous shooter. However, I think Evans has more upside because he’s a more natural playmaker and I think he has a better body than Stack.
Ford just doesn't want to admit he's wrong
who cares?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
This just in
Chad Ford is a moron…and that concludes our breakdown of Chad Ford’s chat.
by Skinny Pete on Dec 22, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget Chad Ford
is the one who talked up Darko Milicic so much.
What kind of trade are we talking about?
Is he referring to a trade for a player with a long-term contract, ala the previously discussed Emeka Okafor trade? I think I like the idea, especially targeting an Okafor-like player, but I don’t see who the Kings could acquire. Okafor is no on a team in the hunt for the playoffs and Joakim Noah is still on his rookie contract and the Bulls aren’t so far out of contention that they would try to unload players. Even in that case, Noah would be kept with Rose as the future core of the team.
I guess my question regarding this trade is something a lot of people have been trying to answer. If the Kings were to make a trade for someone, who would it be for? Who would fit with Sacramento and who would be available for trade of just an expiring (and maybe a draft pick)? The overlap of the answers to those questions is very small.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions
Noah would be a nice fit. :)
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I would love Noah on the team
"Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive." Proverbs 17:28
Kaman, Okafor
Would be my top choices if it were the ‘Good Vet’ route.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I am thinking kaman over Okafor due to contract, that is if we could get him
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I worry about his head and his health some
but he’s an interior machine who can also make a big impact on offense. He’d be my choice as well because of the shorter contract.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
One, I like it when a poster actually identifies a big man, rather than just saying “we need a good defensive 4/5”, because every team needs that. I like Kaman a lot, but I doubt the clips are going to give him up, when they have a nice young starting five working with him, Davis, Gordon, that SF and Griffin.
by MichaelMack on Dec 22, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Sterling has always been cheap
and that payroll is pretty high with no chance of getting rid of BDavis (Oooold by the way).
Griffin could quickly make Kaman expendable.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
And kaman hates LA
Nothing to shoot. (well . . . . .)
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Chander
just posted on the assinine trade post…. chandler (2 years, 11M for K-9 and Mays)…then Noc for any expiring by the deadline.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Dec 22, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Playoffs!? You want to talk playoffs!?
I’m all for the team contending for a playoff spot, but to make a move for this season is short-sighted considering we share a division with the Lakers.
We built this team with an eye for the future, I’m not saying we shouldn’t shop Kenny, but shop Poodle for the right pieces; not a long shot for this season.
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by Muff209 on Dec 22, 2009 9:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions
as well as with the clippers and warriors, whom the Kings are ahead of.
the kings can get to the eighth spot, not just the lakers or the suns. those two teams can cause a few losses, but the kings have a good chance to keep on winning and make the playoffs if they hustle like in the Bulls game.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Interpretation of the exerpt
I don’t interpret it as saying the Kings are going to make a trade to go all in this year.
Considering the context:
1. Talking about being unable to afford max contract in offseason
2. Using Kenny Thomas (an expiring) as a trade chip
3. Kings trying to move up into the 8th spot only (no mention of anything more than making playoffs)
Correlation of context:
1. Kings could try to get the equivalent of a top free agent in a trade right now. A top free agent comes with a longterm contract and thus it implies the target would have a longterm contract.
2. Expiring contract are rarely (never) traded for other expiring contracts. The reason Thomas would be valuable to another team is in cap relief (and ability to rebuild) for a lottery team with pricey vets.
3. This one is implying intelligence on the part of the writer—a scary thing to do in sports journalism—but one would guess that the writer would know a team would not go “all-in” merely to get a “Participated (And Was Obliterated)” ribbon. If one has little faith in the intelligence of sports journalists, certainly one can have enough faith in Geoff Petrie to say that he wouldn’t be thinking that the Kings merely reaching the playoffs is the goal at the expense of the future.
The conclusion then is that the trade would have no intention of hurting the Kings’ future but helping them. There comes a time in rebuilding teams when they decide it’s time to “activate” their rise to the top. For a couple years, they have hung out in the bottom—while acquiring talent—and when they get to a point where they decide they have a good young core they make that last acquisition to “open the window.” For the Kings, it seems that they could use a young stud center to get that window open for them. For example Evans, Martin, Greene/Casspi/Nocioni along with a 3-headed monster of Okafor/JT/Hawes would be absolutely outstanding. The Kings would have an incredible bench and a very good and diverse starting lineup with Evans’ ability to slash to the basket and Martin amazing perimeter shot.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Once before we added two or three serious vets
While the kids were still young. That worked out pretty well.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Who will be the Webber/Divac acquisitions for the Kings? Does Martin have to be the Richmond? I hope not. I really want to see the Kings just get a stud center with the guys we have and see what happens.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Ironically,
Bosh and Webber are pretty comparable players and Martin could be used in that pursuit just like Mitch back in the day. Martin is an amazing player though and you only trade him for the chance at someone special, does Bosh makes this team a playoff calibur team, definitely, but my guess is Toronto just holds on to him until the end.
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Bosh as a trade target
That probably isn’t going to happen because in the end, it’s likely the the Kings would just end up giving up a ton of value (Martin) for a half season of a good player.
It would be better for the Kings to try to open up a little more cap space by trading off the surplus guys and make a run at Bosh with a max contract in the offseason, hoping it’s the only max contract offer he gets. (I don’t think it’s likely)
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn't matter...
The team that has him under contract at the time is able to offer an extra year and more money to keep the player. Thus, if we somehow acquired Bosh in a trade before the deadline, we’d have the inside edge at resigning him. Likely, he would stay. But, then, we’d have Bosh under a max contract with a bunch of contracts to extend in the next 3-4 years (JT, Donte, Evans, Casspi, maybe Hawes * Brock, etc.), we’d be in a tight spot and something would have to give.
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by PhutureKings on Dec 22, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
All of those have 2 years left
And by that point, Noci and Udrih will be expirings with Garcia having one extra year left. If those guys prove to be the core for the team, the Kings could probably trade all 3 to have cap room for JT, Donte, Evans and Casspi.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't give up KM I guess
Now if they wanted Noce, K-9 and our draft pick….? I don’t know, maybe. I wonder who would give up much for someone who might not stay.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Max contract
Do you think that the extra year Sacramento could offer Bosh would be enough to entice Bosh to stay? If that were the case, then go ahead and trade for Bosh. In all likelihood, I don’t see how even that would be enough.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
that extra year is an extra $20 million. Plus, Bosh turns us into a damn good team. Right now we have a better record than the Raptors and their record is what it is due in large part to Bosh. Without him are they better than us? Not by a longshot. The Kings, on the other hand, are playing better and don’t have Bosh. How much better are we with him? Why wouldn’t he stay with an excellent young team that can offer the best contract?
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Really?
I honestly don’t know that Bosh makes this a playoff team. I know you said playoff caliber, but the team is either a playoff team or it isn’t. If Bosh comes here as a short-term rental (which he would be), you’d better be a guaranteed playoff team and possible championship contender. Otherwise it is a joke to give up Martin.
Luckily, I don’t see the brain-trust giving away a guy like Martin in exchange for a few months of Bosh.
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Yeah when I proposed I geared the trade as a sign and trade
otherwise there’s no reason for the high priced rental. However, I am not NBA cap savvy enough to figure out if that’s even possible.
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I think Bosh would stay. We can offer more money and another year.
Bosh is really good. I think the Kings would go pretty deep with him…especially next season and the one after.
Basically, I can’t wait for the Martin-Evans tandem. I’m going to be REALLY happy with that. But, at the end of the day, the Kings w/ Bosh are better than the Kings w/ Martin.
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by PhutureKings on Dec 22, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Need to sell some tix very soon
or it could be bye bye anyway. That would be the thought I guess.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
While I wholeheartedly understand that lltg
If the people in Sacramento can’t go to Arco with what this team is doing, I don’t know if they (we) deserve a team.
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by edm7 on Dec 22, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Other teams are starting to come see their teams play the Kings. Our fans better come watch this show! I believe they will.
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by SavageBeast on Dec 22, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Well
The whole upper arena was $10 for the Wizards game and we still couldn’t sell out. I still sense a lot of apathy among people that considered themselves “Diehards” back in the glory days. As a matter of fact, the 3 other families I used to split tickets with don’t even catch the games on TV anymore. We need something, a surprise playoff run, a big name free agent or something or the team will likely be gone in a couple of years. Of course an Arena would be nice…
by OrangeLazarus on Dec 22, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Kings have a good start
…with Tyreke Evans. The more hype that Evans gets, the more dynamic that Evans plays, the more people will want to show up to the Kings games.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I think OrangeL is probably right
A big aquisition would probably get the fans / city over the tipping point. I also have real reservations about waiting for another young Big man, who typically take 4 years to really develop, to finish the roster off.
I think we need to add that good big as a Vet if not this year – next year.
But you don’t just sign anyone.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
It's also up to us as the most hardcore and real fans of the Kings to spread the word!
For example, a coworker of mine has not been to a Kings game in like 4-5 years, but I’m bringing him to the StR night at Arco. He in turn, invited one of his buddies to come along.
Earlier this season, I was talking about the Kings to a buddy of mine who was still under the impression that the Kings play horrible ball. I told him they’ve been really exciting, even in losses, because they hustle and play hard. He started watching a few games on TV (because I called or texted and told him how exciting it was). Then, he began reminding me about games on TV (even though I already knew) because he was excited, too. We went to the New Jersey game together.
I’d go to more games if I could, but the point is, when you do go, get people to come along. Talk about this team and how fun they are to watch. Remind people that going to Arco, having a beer, scoping hot chicks and watching these fun Kings is a damn good time.
They’ll come around. But, word of mouth is the best advertising.
Go forth, my Sactown Royalty bretherens (and brethettes). Spread the excitement!
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by PhutureKings on Dec 22, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
The whole upper arena was $10 for the Wizards game...
… and we still couldn’t sell out
The upper arena did sell out.
The available tickets were in the lower sections.
by unfair weather on Dec 22, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, playoffs!
I would love to see the Kings play the Lakers in the first round of the playoffs.. especially because I think this Kings team would be scrappy enough to make the series interesting. Even if the Kings end up losing, people in Sacramento would go crazy, and Arco would be back in full effect for years to come (which would equal more home wins for the future). At least that would be my hope.
by Pollard4LIfe on Dec 22, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
General questions after reading the thread to this point -
If an extra $20+ million was enough to get Webber to stick around, why would it not be enough to get Bosh to stick around? I defy anyone to name one player in his prime that accepted less money to play somewhere else. Bosh is not an aged ring-hunting player yet. He will take the max-dollar offer.
Now, is Bosh worth that kind of coin? Yes. He is easily a top 10-12 player in the league. This would put him in the top 2-3% of the players in the NBA.
Is Bosh worth Martin and Casspi or Martin and our (top 3 protected pick)? Because that is what it would likely take to even hope to secure him.
Dear Chad Ford, last time I checked, Evans was one of 3 point guards on the Kings currently ranked in the top 14 in PER for the position. Good grief, man. This is supposed to be your job to know this stuff.
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Agreed
But given Toronto’s penchant for players internationale, you know Casspi would be on their wish list.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
He and Donte are important for the Kings’ future. What would you say if they asked for Hawes in the deal?
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Done
I’ll pack his bags and drive him to the airport. And this is not a knock on Hawes – I just value him less than Casspi or next year’s draft pick at this point in time.
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With
Maybe I’m the only one that’s still dreaming but if it were on a sign-and-trade, isn’t Sacramento when Speed comes back, one heel of a destination in terms of talent? I mean, our starting lineup would be Reke, Speed, Omri/Donte/X, Bosh, JT. That’s a hell of a group with some niece pieces off the bench.
If Bosh wants to compete for years to come wouldn’t Sac be a good option? Biggest competition would be other young teams with money: Chicago, OKC. If I was CB4 would I want to go to Dallas when the window is closing in 2 years, or NY where I’d be the only good player.
I now it’s crazy but could Petrie pull something like that off?
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In a sign and trade we'd give Speed so scratch that
I guess it’s more complicated than what I envisioned.
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Thing is - why would Toronto want Martin?
This may be more of a general question than a direct response to your comment.
If they are getting rid of Bosh I’d think they have to go into rebuild mode and Martin doesn’t fit into that as far as I can see.
For Toronto,
it’s about getting assets for Bosh. Martin is a good value at his contract. He would benefit Toronto whether he played there or they dealt him for something else. Swap in Thomas if you like, but I would think that Toronto would prefer Martin over Thomas.
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Reason being
I think if you’re Toronto and you give up the best asset (which they would, by far) you wouldn’t want to have to flip Martin for what you really want.
More likely scenario if Bosh gets moved – multiple team deal. In my opinion, of course.
I don't think that you're getting out of it without giving up at least one "real" player
Gasol cost the Lakers Crittenton, the rights to M.Gasol, and future draft picks (of which one has become Demarre Carroll), along with the expiring contract of Kwame Brown.
Remember, Toronto can get financial relief by simply not re-signing Bosh. That’ why I think they will insist on some tangible assets in return.
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Pau Gasol was under contract
He wasn’t in danger of leaving after two months. They weren’t taking as bi a gamble with their future.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
That's true
But section214 is right—expiring contract for expiring contract isn’t of any worth. The value that an expiring contract has is to a team trying to unload a longterm salary. And the value for the team trading their expiring contract is to receive a good player who just isn’t welcome on their team because they are costing too much—either because the team is over the cap or they are trying to rebuilding and thus putting a buttload of money into a good player isn’t worth it.
That’s why mostly expirings would work for an Okafor type of player but not for Bosh. NO could (obviously not right now since they are winning games) want to get rid of Okafor’s big contract so taking Kenny Thomas+ a little more would be effective because it saves them almost $50million of future cash.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Expiring for expiring works if you sweeten the pot with young players/picks
For the Trader -But not if you empty the cupboard for the Tradee.
Too big a gamble
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough -
Can you give me one example of a player in his prime that took less than max money to play elsewhere? And wouldn’t you think that the player’s desire to stay would be an integral part of the trade conversation?
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Could Shaq have gotten more money in Orlando?
by Pollard4LIfe on Dec 22, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Great question
Was the Bird rule in effect at that time? Cap limits?(Calling Mr. pookey, your expertise is requested at the front desk). This could be the perfect example of a prime time player taking “less” to play somewhere else if it is indeed an apples to apples comparison.
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Bird rule was definitely in effect...
How do I know this? Bird retired about when Shaq came into the league.
by unfair weather on Dec 22, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
So -
Shaq took less, figuring that he could more than make up for it in Lala land (and he was probably right). A guy like Bosh is a personality, but I don’t know that he carries the larger than life cache of a Shaq. That said, you would certainly want assurances that Bosh had the intention of sticking around before you deal for him.
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Shaq didn't take less
What happened was that Orlando originally somewhat lowballed Shaq, then LA upped their offer after moving Vlade Divac to Charlotte, and that sort of sealed the deal.
Essentially LA gave Shaq the same money Orlando could have.
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The Bird Rule was in effect in 1996
What didn’t exist was the limit on raises and years another team could offer a free agent. Also, tampering, the stupid July Moratorium rules where teams are heavily watched until that Midnight, was also a bi-product of the tampering LA committed in dealing with Shaq. (It was very common to tamper back then. Miami did the same thing with Alonzo Mourning.)
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True but...
I don’t think Bosh (All-Star he is) is what we need. He is a free agent so he’s become what we want because we believe’s he’s attainable. A forced perspective in some way.
My opinion is a player like Joakim Noah or Tyson Chandler make more sense that Bosh - not only from a financial perspective but from game-play. Bosh is not a center, neither is JT. They are both 4s, and they can both play the 5, but not effectively over the course of an entire season. Would JT and Bosh be better than JT and Hawes? Yes. But in terms of addressing our financial flexibility to re-sign our young players, we need to look for a non-max player at the center spot.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Dec 22, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
JT can move to C
and be better than most in that position
- but I’d also go for Okafor, Kaman etc.. myself. You also probably give up much less.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
But you also don't get as much
I think getting Bosh and keeping Speed moves us into the playoff picture and then the Maloofs will have no problem spending when the time comes.
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Bosh Speed and Evans sounds like a championship team.
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As a back to the basket scorer & post defender, JT is worse than Spencer
The Kings would be better with Bosh & Spencer than Bosh & JT
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But you can't give up JT unless re-signing Bosh is a lock
No way.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
And
It still doesn’t address the big problem of interior defense—the thing that is killing Sacramento right now.
A JT/Bosh tradeoff would be less valuable IMO than a JT/Bosh frontcourt.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Thats why you talk to the Clips
Kenny + Hawes = Kaman
Then you draft another young big and you have a few years of Kaman while he grows up – plus our other young’uns I think will be ready in the next year or two to contend.
The more I hear it the more I like it.
Now, does Kaman clog up the middle too much for Reke? I think they’d work it out.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
I dont think having a low-post center clogs the lane, I think that is one of those myths that idiots like Peaches and Chad Ford talk about. Shaq has had zero effect on Lebron’s inside game this year, so I cant imagine how having a good finisher that he could dish to would alter Reke’s.
As long as that low-post center has decent hands and can finish around the rim...
but with hands like Mikki, it’s a problem.
You trade K9 and May for Camby
They dont lose any cap room and they open up time for Griffin
I do not think any player has taken less money ever.
Maybe end-of-the line guys or coattails ring sniffers, but professional athletes almost never take less money.
Not true
Plenty of vets, still good players but not Stars, have signed with teams to try to win a Championship.
SA has been full of those guys for years.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Grant Hill
is probably the best example of a guy that has been productive after signing a mid-range contract with a “better” team. But he was a far cry from a max player at that time. The same can be said for the menu of Spurs players.
I keep hearing the story, but I’m not getting the documentation. Where are all of these prime time max players that are taking less money to play with contenders or big cities? Why did Webber stay here? Why did Duncan stay in San Antonio? Why did Stockton and Malone stay in Utah?
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You are right 214
No player takes less money in his or her prime. Some have forced sign and trades, but nobody takes less money.
by mayfieldcol on Dec 23, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
keep KM
I want a starting line up of Tyreke, KM, JT, Casspi and Bosh. Trade Garcia and Beno and maybe even Spence.
no way
they trade bosh and not get KM back…
by shadowchicken on Dec 22, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Draft
I think that going after okafor would be a waste. He’s a weak center whose numbers are inflated by playing with Chris Paul. I feel like the best move for our future would be to trade KT’s expiring to a bad team that will be high in the draft that is seeking a big name FA (ideally New jersey) for their pick. If we got high enough we could go for someone like Aldrich who is pretty impressiev from what I’ve seen. Then, if need be we can ship out Martin in a year or two for that final piece… Just my thoughts.
by Merickel on Dec 22, 2009 3:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Or a team like New York that might be trying to sign two big name free agents this summer and may be looking at getting as much cap space as possible, although they are probably not going to be as high of a pick as the nyets.
by Merickel on Dec 22, 2009 3:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
NJN fits just like NYK
Because the Nets have their own budding star (Brook Lopez) they will need to sign very soon. He has an extra year on his deal, but it doesn’t hurt to open up space now. For all intents and purposes, the Nets are probably looking to sign 2 big contracts just as much as the Knicks.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
NYN are currently 1/2 game out of 9th place in the East.
Their draft pick might end up being higher than the Kings.
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And Utah has their first round pick
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Okafor has only been playing CP3 for 6 weeks
He’s a great defender – great, which doesn’t always show up on the stat sheet and would compliment JTs hustle nicely.
I understand the rest of your opinion. But tell me, what C hasn’t taken three or fours years just to be considered even ‘good’ though? Its a short list.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
NJ definitely fits the bill
But we would have to take money from them as well for that to actually take money off their books. The problem is that they have pretty much nothing on the books past this year. They already have 8 1-year contracts and another 5 at 2 years. Only Devin Harris and Eduardo Najera are signed beyond that.
We could try something like
Najera
Jianlian
Dooling
for
Thomas
May
They would then have just about enough money to take care of business with Bropez and either LeBron or Bosh.
That would be quite the financial commitment for the Kings though and they might have to find someone else to dump either Noci or Gracia on to free up space for 2010 offseason.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Clarification
By “fits the bill” I mean a team looking at a high draft pick, wanting to have a ton of space open for the 2010 offseason. I have doubts that they would actually be willing to make a trade like that.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ew
We don’t get a single worthwhile player in that deal. No thanks.
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 22, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
True
But this was in response to making a trade workout for the Nets 1st round draft pick (which would then turn into Cole Aldrich or someone of that nature). It wasn’t about the vets.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Just to keep things real here in fantasyland
Chris Paul has done nothing for Okafor’s stats. His stats are down all across the stat line. Check it out.
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Cp3 doesn't inflate his stats.
Dude has been consistent since he’s been in the league.
He inflates his teammates stats.
I might score 10ppg in the NBA with him as my PG.
by mayfieldcol on Dec 23, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting thing about trading Martin, and I'm not completely opposed to if, for the right return
I’m just not sure how likely it is, considering the Levien hire. Kevin obviously had something to do with that. It seems, based on reports/interviews that Kevin has been pretty involved in the workouts/selections of our last two drafts as well.
It seems like a huge change in direction to involve him and bring in people with close ties to him and then ship him out. I would be really surprised to see Kevin moved in the near future.
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True...
And amidst all the trade talk, how about we consider just letting K9’s contract expire at year’s end and sit on the cap space in anticipation of re-upping the young guns and seeing what we have…..?
Then next year we’re faced with the intriguing prospect of fielding a starting squad of:
Tyreke
KMart
Donte/Omri/Franky
JT
Hawes
With Beno, Noce, Udoka and Brockman coming off the bench plus more playing time together as a unit along with added development…(this assumes no major injuries)
Doesn’t this seem like a team that not only would be fun to watch but also fiscally responsible? Maybe it’s not sexy, but neither is having a shitty contract staring us down for the next 3 yrs because we weren’t patient enough to see what we had. And then again, maybe it IS sexy to have KMart, Reke, JT, Casspi and Donte getting after it and F-ing some shit up?!
ALSO: Does anyone actually believe KMart will come back and hurt his trade value? I for one, don’t. If he can back and scored 20-22 ppg and not 27-30 ppg…would that seriously knock him down a peg? He’d still be among the most efficient scorers in the league, in his prime, at a pretty reasonable salary. Full dance ticket.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Dec 22, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The only problem
Is that I worry about Hawes as a starting center. I don’t know that he is good enough to be a starting center if we have hopes for contending.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
So, wait a year. At that time we'll know more and also see what kind of big we can add in this draft
we have no “hopes for contending” this season anyway, right?
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 22, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
plus let’s not forget. All of a sudden Beno is a valuable trade chip. I mean if we’re even considering trading Kmart then Beno has to be movable too.
Amazing what exceeding expectations does…we’re already trying to get into the playoffs and contend next year. I’m guilty of this…but let’s slow and build something.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Dec 22, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Is Beno expendable?
I think part of the reason people like Ford are suggesting a trade of Martin is because Udrih and Rodriguez have done so well. Certainly if Martin is traded, it means a move of Evans to SG for a much larger percentage of the time. So if our starting PG is moved to SG, I would think our backup PG would need to be moved too.
Unless (and I just had an epiphany here that this might be your meaning) you are saying we would trade Udrih instead of Martin….
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
yes instead
There’s been a lot of talk about KMart being expendable but Beno has been playing so great he hasn’t been tossed into the mix. I just don’t think you can consider KMart being movable without throwing Beno in there as well.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Dec 22, 2009 9:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A few weeks ago
I posted this. Roughly 40% of almost 800 people said that they would entertain trading Beno, ranging from expiring to help in the middle. Another 45% suggested waiting until the trade deadline before entertaining any such deals.
I think Kings fans get it. It is the casual observer and lazy national scribes that have deemed Evans and Martin to be redundant, and that is why Martin’s name keeps cropping up.
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yes
I totally recall that now.
I’m just saying that because Beno has been around all season and played well so far and meanwhile KMart has been out, there’s just been more talk about the likelihood of KMart getting moved. I actually think it’s a possibility both or either KMart and Beno could be traded - but I think it’s pretty damn likely that Beno and KTEC could yield a damn good big player and that’s hopefully what the front office looks to do instead especially AFTER watching KMart back in action.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Dec 23, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Tyreke will need a solid PG back-up
for several years at least. Hell, Every team would love to have a back PG thats doing what Beno is doing. At the price? Thats another question.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Beno is not tradable
Teams are not signing up for $20+ million of Beno based on 6 weeks of hot shooting.
The second someone calls and offers expirings for Beno, you have to move him.
Free Omri...trade.Noc.
Beno to L.A.
For Farmar, Morrison, and Mbenga. This gives the Kings the interior defense they lack and Farmar is an athletic combo of Beno and Serod. Kings also get 8 million in expirings.
With, but you should also add "mid/late 2010 lottery pick" to your list.
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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 22, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Finally
A voice of reason. Getting rid of K-Mart is ridiculous in my eyes, as he is one of the top SG’s in the league. Beno has value as a third guard, but if he is starting and getting 36 minutes a night, is his value/performance going to be as impressive? If our 90% of our backcourt minutes are going to K-Mart/Reke/Beno, isn’t that going to be the most dynamic threesome on offense in the league? I think holding on to K-9’s contract, and giving ourselves some wiggle room to see if a Chandler, Gortat, Beldrins, or someone we are not thinking of yet has a discount sticker on them next year, or even if Hawes takes a step up in his fourth year from 10 and 6 to 13 and 8, he will be all of twenty two years old.
Am I the only person that thinks Andres Nocioni and Francisco Garcia are the only real expendable actual contracts on the Kings roster?
What’s wrong with you people if you don’t.
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I agree
But I also add in K9, Sergio (with Martin back), May (who would want him anyway), and Greene (though he’s the most important to me on this list)
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Yep!
Those contracts and players are the most surplus on our team. I would rather see other players getting PT.
by mayfieldcol on Dec 23, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Am I the only person that thinks that this would be funny with Evans/May/Martin?

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by section214 on Dec 22, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd- thanks for the mammaries
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We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Let's face it
The only guy who definitely isn’t going to be traded is Tyreke. But it would take a quality big man to pry Martin away, and I agree the Kings would like to get that piece AND keep Martin. Naturally they’d also like to keep JT and most of the other guys together as well, but they’re going to listen to just about anything.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
JT is about as untouchable as Tyreke is
You don’t make a unilateral move just to say a guy is untouchable.
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Not sure I follow re: unilateral move
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 23, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Bulls are getting killed in NY right now - down 20
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I hope NY comes back 34 points down
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No to acquiring Okafor...
Let Kenny’s contract expire….
Yes to moving Noce for expiring contracts…
by getPGwithbounce on Dec 22, 2009 7:02 PM PST reply actions
Solid center vet
what about Marcus Camby (brings D : blocks and rebounds) ? Too expensive ?
Maybe too old
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
seems like any major move right now involving someone considered the core of the current team (or at preseason, which wasn’t too long ago) would be risky. like others have commented, we really need a solid interior presence and those are hard as hell to come by in this league. big men are often overpaid because their talents and value are not properly measured.
i say we wait things out unless its in favor of the long term picture and doesn’t push out any of the aforementioned core. maybe trade KTEC for an 2011 expiring and try to dangle Garcia/pick(s) for a promising big man in this coming draft. granted he comes back from injury playing well or close to it.
Rent Boozer for the rest of the season
With the Maynor move, the Jazz are showing how motivated they may be to save money.
I would trade K9, Hawes, and Sergio (who is an expiring too, people, let’s not forget) and a 2010 second round
For Boozer, Fesenko, and NY’s first rounder.
Utah gets under the cap, still has 10 million expiring. Millsap is their power forward of the future, might as well let him play. Hawes might learn something from Sloan.
We let Boozer walk, and then we draft Derrick Favors. Eh?
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions
And why would Utah do that
Boozer is an expiring too. And Fesenko is their backup center. So, why would they want to trade him for Hawes, if we don’t want Hawes.
So, basicly you want them to give us a lottery pick to take Spencer off our hands.
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yes, that would be great!
I suppose it will never happen. My point is that we could at least attempt to get something back for helping Utah avoid the luxury tax. Even after dumping Harpring’s contract they are in tax territory. Boozer seems to be the most likely big guy to move.
Eliminate Hawes and Fesenko, it would be our expirings for Boozer’s larger expiring. They save 6 million dollars, and we maybe make the playoffs, and get an extra first round pick, still have the same amount of cap room next summer.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 23, 2009 12:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think the key here, instead of going for the home run for someone we would hope to resign in Bosh
I think we need to use our expirings to get picks, and if we make the playoffs this year then that is just a bonus. That is what OKC is doing, that is kinda what Portland did, and I think that is what the Kings need to do.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 23, 2009 12:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I applaud your wanting to improve the team but it's just not happening
Hawes makes more than Fesenko, and add the difference to Sergio’s $1.9M and Thomas’ $8.8M and the money Utah saves this year is worth giving up a lottery pick. Plus they don’t improve their roster this year by replacing Boozer with Thomas & Hawes. And, their still looking at the playoffs. Besides other than size Fesenko isn’t even better than Hawes. The only reason he was mentioned early in the season as a backup to Hawes was his size and his contract.
To get a deal done with Utah your going to have to take Kirilenko and his two year contract for our cap space and expiring. Expiring for expiring isn’t any motivation at all.
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