Trade proposal
by biggity2bit on Dec 22, 2009 12:13 PM PST
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This is a trade proposal being moderately debated over at CanisHoopus (the Timberwolves blog), and we were wondering what King's fans take on it is. Essentially (as initially proposed by Chad Ford), the Wolves would trade O. Pecherov, M. Blount, and one of our young PGs to the Kings for Kevin Martin. What do y'all think?
What I'm most interested in finding out is what the relative value of our young PGs + an expiring (Blount) are to others who aren't Twolves fans. I'm hopeful this will be an opportunity to have some good dialogue with other teams' fans.
The three PGs offered, and a quick assessment on each so far:
1. Rubio - in Europe for another two years. Will still be young on arrival here. Solid steals, great facilitation ability, questionable offensive ceiling (although could become a solid 10 ppg guy).
2. Flynn - athletic, tough, doesn't back down from any challenge and relishes the chance to face guys who've schooled him before to return the favor. Evolving offensive game. Better assist guy than our offensive system/supporting cast would indicate. Still learning NBA man to man defense.
3. Sessions - also young, tough, but appears to be a very solid floor general. Good trooper thus far (meaning a high character guy). No 3 pt game, but good at drawing fouls. Appears to grasp Rambis' system better than Flynn at this point, although not as high an offensive ceiling as Flynn.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I think most of us
Have high hopes for Tyreke at PG, especially paired with Martin when he comes back. We love Martin a lot here. If by the end of the year or early next year it becomes clear that the two can’t coexist, then I would do this deal.
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If they threw in a first rounder, then I would probably agree to this. 2 high draft picks would make me happy.
But we are getting back WAY too little talent for a 20+ ppg (and that is when he is hobbled) guy as this trade stands now.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 22, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Martin's return
Do you think Tyreke’s role will change once Martin returns, or is this pretty clearly Tyreke’s team now and Martin will have to adjust. Have to admit I haven’t watched much/any Kings basketball this year, so I don’t actually know, I just recall hearing about earlier in the year Tyreke deferring to Martin and not playing as well. If I had to choose one I’d go Tyreke all the way.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Tyreke played four of his six worst games of the year
in the first five games, according to GameScore at Basketball Reference. I think that was just because he was a rookie and he only played 24 minutes in a couple of the games.
I think he and Kevin can co-exist, and the Kings will flourish. But it also won’t surprise me if Kevin isn’t on the floor at the end of some games where he’s not bringing in and someone like Udoka is.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
maybe the injury hampered him a bit?
or maybe because it was 4 of his first 6 games in the league?
or maybe because May and Mason were on the floor?
All valid reasons
One thing’s for sure: he hasn’t played too many bad ones since.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
We need another PG - for what again?
Way too little coming back in any case.
Minnie needs to move either Al or Love anyway, their skillsets are way too similar.
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And Chad Ford is a tool.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Kevin Love will work
But probably not for Martin, although it would be interesting to see the other pieces in such a deal.
That might work for the TWolves: Flynn plus Martin and maybe eventually Rubio, plus they replace Love with a big in the draft.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Don't think we'd give up Love
Of the two, Big Al is more likely to be dealt. May seem backwards, but we still have the rights to Pekovic (who basically duplicates Al’s game). Plus Al is kind of our version of Martin – a guy who can score and is average or below average at everything else. Wolves fans are pretty evenly split on it, but Love is by far the better fit for the triangle.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
by biggity2bit on Dec 22, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
The triangle
and you guys are stocking up on PGs – why?
Its almost a non-position in the triangle.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Value
Kahn likes value over need. On our squad we need talent, no matter the position. Sessions or Flynn will still have value in the future. You could argue that Kahn won’t be able to maximize their value in a trade, which might be true, but it far surpasses drafting a guy out of need who never pans out, or signing Randy Foye to a big extension even though it’s not justified but we have no other options.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
re: triangle
Ya, the triangle certainly does limit them a bit. Although both Flynn and Sessions are missing out on 3-4 assists a night cumulatively because guys like Corey Brewer and Sasha Pavlovic can’t make a freaking layup or an open shot. Rambis has hinted that over time he’ll let Flynn do what he does really well (pick ‘n roll) a lot more. First Flynn has to show him he knows how to run the offense (that is – get everyone involved) and improve the parts of his game that he’s weak on.
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
Making them play the triangle hurts thier value
Sessions looks – not good.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ehh...
I think Kevin is worth more than what is proposed here. Plus, we are more in need of a big man with an interior presence on the defensive end. Also, we HAVE to wait until Kevin at least comes back from the injury before making any type of decision. But truthfully, I think the presence of Kevin on the Kings is too big of a thing to just throw away for nothing.
by illkillyoubitch on Dec 22, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions
But
Don’t get me wrong, I like the idea of an Evans and Flynn back court duo, but doesn’t an Evans and Martin back court just make you wanna cry? Oh man, imagine the possibilities. It somewhat reminds me of a Richard Hamilton and Chauncey Billups back court in Detroit.
by illkillyoubitch on Dec 22, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I voted that I wouldn't do this deal
We have PG’s (Evans, Udrih, Sergio). If we are going to part with Martin, it better be for very, very, very substantial help on the front line.
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My thoughts exactly
The only people who still believe ‘Reke can’t play PG are the people who don’t watch him play enough. A lot of analysts like to make it seem like Martin will be a tough fit when he returns. But the truth is that he can fit into many systems. Just look at the Bulls game last night. ‘Reke drives and either gets to the hoop or passes out to Udoka. Now trade Udoka for one of the best pure shooters in the game. You can see why most Kings fans are not ready to talk about trading Martin just yet. Plus, we already have expirings as well as Beno and Sergio. At this point Beno is playing as well as any of the Wolves’ three PGs.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Amen brother
Esp. on the part about trading out Udoka for Martin. I drooled a little bit.
The only way I consider trading Martin without exhausting the option of having Evans/Martin in the lineup is for a top talent interior presence. Even then it’s a hard sell.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Only one problem
Just look at the Bulls game last night. ‘Reke drives and either gets to the hoop or passes out to Udoka.
Beno (twice) and Brockman were the guys kicking it out to Udoka for his threes.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
I’ll have to go back and rewatch, I was keeping one eye on the game while hosting a Christmas party with a bunch of writer friends. Either way, the program still works. ’Reke is not quite the passer Beno is, but K-Mart in ten times the shooter Udoka is.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
It was Beno who dished to Udoka twice
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Thats why you hold onto Beno
When tyreke is out – or even when he’s in
you may need a guy like that for a least a few more years.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Beno & Sergio finish at the rim as well or better than Tyreke
although Tyreke has 2 to 3 times more attempts. Sergio is a better assist man than Beno. But, currently Beno is scoring at a high percentage at all ranges.
Beno is Martin light. And, when Martin returns Beno’s minutes and production go down. With Beno’s contract ( MLE looks better now, ha) Beno would be fine as the backup. But, so might Sergio who is shooting at a high percentage at the rim, inside 10ft and beyond the arc. And, Sergio will probably sign for less then the MLE and Beno has more trade value.
So, both offer value, but I would move Beno for the right deal. Lottery pick or big in exchange for Beno & Thomas, could do it. On the other hand, should the Kings eventually decide to trade Martin and move Tyreke to the 2, it sure would be good to have Beno & Sergio on the roster.
So, unless Santa comes to the door with an unexpected present, I say keep Beno & Sergio.
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Hmmm
Beno is a better defender, steadier and more clutch (did I say that?), but Sergio offers a great change of pace.
Its a tough choice.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Hell Yes
Martin will be a tough fit back into the rotation. We have a ball dominant point guard and a shooting guard that (will) need(s) the ball in his hands. NONE of you should disagree that ‘reke is a ball dominant PG. Dude is spectacular, but a big fan of the “one-on-one” game. It’s not going to be as easy transition as many of you may think.
Don't hate, I'm a realist!
Martin only needs the ball in his hands
when its time to shoot it.
He’s not a ‘needs the ball in his hands’ player.
Do you watch the games?
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Martin dominates the ball
when he shoots free throws, and-it-just-makes-me-so-darned-angry!
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't get me started on FREE-throws
Ball hog! Have you ever seen him pass out of an and 1?
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
never
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
And those 2-4 seconds he usually has it before he shoots or drives?
selfish
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
You're kidding right?
Of course he is a “needs the ball in his hands” type of player. He is a shooting guard. Every shooting guard is that type of player. Do you watch basketball? Have you ever played basketball? Can you even dribble a basketball?
Don't hate, I'm a realist!
Ignore . . . must . . . not . . .
Dang it!
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
I agree
And that’s all that counts.
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Just let it go…. no matter how funny it is
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No, no -
Sammy is actually trying to make a point. Have fun playing with him, kids. Just don’t forget to pick up after yourselves.
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Sammy
You need to understand that Kevin is all for the team. He’s not one of those players who NEEDS the ball in hands a great amount of the time. I understand what you are saying, yes he does NEED the ball in order to score, but that doesn’t mean he’ll be ball dominate. When Ron Artest was here, did Martin have trouble scoring? I don’t think so, and you’ll have to agree that Ron Artest was a person who demanded the ball a lot. On top of that, Bibby was on that same team. And if you look back at the stats to that same year, both of those players attempted the same amount of shots as Martin, if not a little less or a little more. Also, when was the last time you could say Martin had other teammates on the floor who could score on a night in night out basis? I think Martin will complement Evans greatly. Vice Versa. Inside-Out. Get it? INSIDE-OUT. And you can agree that Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen were all ball dominant in their careers. But they seem to be doing just fine over there.
by illkillyoubitch on Dec 22, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Kevin Martin is the Devil
GIVE ME THE DAMN BALL, OR I’LL SHRINK YOUR BABY’S HEAD AND WEAR IT ON MY EAR! HAHAHAHAHA!
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
by SavageBeast on Dec 22, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Kevin Martin is a locker room cancer.
He has only brought trouble to this team. The Kings started going downhill in 2004-05, the same year Martin was drafted!
Coincidence?
WELL… YEAH, BUT WHATEVER
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 22, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
And now everyone in the office is wondering why I am laughing like an idiot
They know that I’m an idiot, but the laughing is new to them.
Rec’d, SB.
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That better not be mini-Ziller on his ear
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
"Every shooting guard is that type of player."
Doug Christie was a shooting guard.
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Sammy
Martin is a catch and shoot 2 guard…..on half of his possessions the ball is in his hands for less than a second. Thats the point we a trying to explain to you.
Also that he was being a conceited douche-nozzle...
But yeah, mostly that Kevin is a catch and shoot guy.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 22, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
I was not aware that some douche-nozzles
thought they were better than other douche-nozzles
by ElRonToro on Dec 22, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice.
Rec’d.
I wasn’t directing any animosity at you, but when somebody lays into me with a good one, I gotta acknowledge it.
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 22, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Two questions Sammy:
1. Are you a mouth breather?
2. Do you have a girlfriend named evie?
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by Bluejohn on Dec 22, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm,
essentially two top tens? I would think about that.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Let's try this
Martin, Nocioni and Hawes for Love, Blount and Cardinal.
We get a nice big man, turn Nocioni into an expiring, get another expiring in Blount, free up playing time for our young small forwards and pick up another big man in next year’s draft or use our excess cash to get someone like Bosh.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 22, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions
Martin and hawes for Love?
Too much.
start adding a pick or two
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sold on Love
Like David Lee, he appears to be a great rebounder but an extremely limited defender. That’s just me, though. I know that a lot of people really like him.
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Defensive rebounds are good D - of a sort.
Not that I disagree otherwise. What about DLee? (oh yeah, one of those 1 yr Contract deals)
I’d sign him as a FA but not for more than say – the K-Mart scale.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
But I'd rather take a chance on Kaman for a few years and groom a young'un.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
With
Kaman at a reasonable price with giving up a good player would be a great stop-gap.
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
I'd do Kaman
For K-9 and Sergio/May in a minute
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
oh yeah
I think it would have to be Sergio, May is not on anyone’s wanted list
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
True.
I just threw him in there because we’d gladly include him in any trade. :)
""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan
Agreed
He moves like an old man. Great rebounder and great outlet passer, but he is seriously limited as a defender and I worry about the knees (they already look creaky).
He'll be a solid to very good rebounder and around the basket scorer
for many years. Is he worth two good players? Nope.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 24, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
No way
I agree with the others here who are posting that we don’t need what you are offering up.
I like Beno and Sergio (never thought I would say that about Beno.) at PG and KMart is an all-star level talent.
Also, we have the Thomas expiring contract and don’t need to make moves for expiring.
Trades need to include talent that brings interior offense and defense. A Big who can bang and post up. You don’t offer that so I say ‘No way.’
That's an interesting idea
Big Al for Martin and ???. Don’t think the salaries match straight up, so something else has to be added. Ideas?
"Come on Eddie, let's get serious."
I think the salaries DO in fact add up
(right off the top of my head)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Correct
Just checked the trade machine. It works.
by nobodyinparticular on Dec 22, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Jefferson needs to be playing next to a defensive tyrant
Put him in a front court with Chandler or Noah or even Pryzbilla, and you’ve got something.
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I did say Offense AND Defense, Ed is dead-on
Because we really need a big who can do both. We have some consistent problems on D and have to play our Bigs who can defend, but they tend to lack Offense.
We either go with D or O and are limited in player who can do both. You can’t really offer us what we need Biggity… Who you have are as limited in the roles they can play and don’t fill the need we have.
Besides, we need KMart in to spread the floor. Martin and Evans are going to present huge challenges on the floor for other teams. They will both require double teams as few teams have enough individual defenders that can take both of them one-on-one.
chandler, chandler, chandler
screw minny, trade for chandler (K-9 and May do it)… We don’t need offense from the 5, we need shot blocking and rebounding… chandler’s got a phat contract, but its only 2 years, by then, maybe Spencer is all we hope he’ll be.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Dec 22, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Neither side is willng to budge.
We’re not giving up Martin without a quality big who has both interior D and offense down low, and they are adamate about not giving up Love, Rubio, or Al. Although the only one I’d like is Love. Doesn’t seem like good match for a trade.
Martin isn't going anywhere.
Let’s be clear here- the current Sacramento Kings team is on the cusp of having something amazing and that is without Kevin Martin in the line-up. With Kevin, Evans will be completely unstoppable because Martin can do something that Greene, Casspi, Udoka etc cannot do and that is, bring consistency that has to be respected. Martin is a shooter, a scorer and an amazing free throw shooter. Is Martin a defensive liability? Maybe but he might come to work with his lunch pale and give something now that his team is no longer a cellar dweller.
The Kings can get the player they need by trading someone other than Kevin Martin. Chips like Noccioni, Kenny Thomas or this years diminishing first round pick or a combination of all three can get the Kings the big man they need without hurting the franchise long term. This isn’t a fading Peja or C-Webb, this is a young guy who has the potential to lead the league in scoring and the Kings would give him up for trash and a dude playing in Europe for the next two years?
And the Bosh idea? Really people? 50 games of Chris Bosh for 4 years of a Martin/Evans back court? I’ll take Bosh but I’m giving up Thomas, Noc, and either a lottery protected #1 and Donté or a non-lottery protected pick + a future lottery protected pick.
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I wouldn't give up Martin for 50 games of Bosh, either
You give Bosh $20+ million reasons to stay, and you make sure that he’s going to say yes before you pull the trigger on the deal. But yor thoughts of retaining Martin and securing additional parts via alternate avenues has a lot of merit.
Why do Kings fans have self esteem issues? Why is it so improbable to think that a player would play here if you offered him more money than anyone else? It worked with Divac, and it worked with him when we sucked. It worked with Webber, and it worked with Bibby, and it worked with Miller. Where does this come from? Who has spurned us? Billy Owens? I just don’t get it.
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KMart must stay...
Totally agree that Chad Ford (who started this nonsense today) is an idiot in not seeing how Tyreke and KMart compliment each other. We need a defensive presence at the rim and if we want to do something this year, I think Chandler is the “get.” (see above). While getting Bosh would be amazing (I disagree and think he’d stay on a max contract offer that would be $20M more than Miami or others can give him), we’d have to give up too much to pry him from Toronto, in my view. Plus, the long-term financial committment might not be in the cards right now.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Dec 22, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
With Tyreke Evans
None of the 3 Minny PG’s are that enticing. In fact, with Tyreke Evans it makes Kevin Martin more enticing. No dice in any way for dealing Kevin at this point.
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You want a guy who can play off the ball and score without needing the ball in his hands to accomplish it.
Gee, which player does that sound like again?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Few Thoughts as a Wolves Fan
1. I remember before the draft- there was talk of the Wolves taking Flynn to pair with Evans. This pairing concerned me since defenses can collaspe without floor stretchers. I can absouletly see why Kings Fan might not be big on this trade for this reason. Kevin Martin seems like a perfect partner for Tyreke Evans.
2. As far as a Wolves Fan I’d do it. I’m really intrigued by Rubio’s game. Although he could be Jason Kidd or Luke Ridnour. Kevin Martin is one of the Top Scorers in the league- who should be effective for the length of his contract. The only reason to say no would be injuries.
3. I wouldn’t say that none of the Wolves Points couldn’t potentially be enticing. It seems more a matter of fit for you guys. I realize I’m pretty much repeating what has been said earlier. As a Wolves Fan I would be on board with this.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 22, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Regarding #3, I think what should be clarified is that it is the play of Evans, Beno and Sergio that makes the Wolves guards less enticing to the Kings. Before the season started, there were a lot of people here pleading the Kings to make an offer to Sessions, and there were more than a few people that wanted us to draft Flynn…and Rubio was darn near a 50/50 pick with Griffin when we were still in the running for the #1 pick. Then Evans showed his stuff, Beno started to play out of his freaking mind, and Sergio piled on with his unique talents.
The lack of interest in your PG’s has less to do with their talent and more to do with the current play of our own point guards.
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This.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That.
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Dec 22, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
These
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 22, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Thus
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Henceforth
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Dec 22, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
This is the beginning
That a new King has come
These are royalty who can avenge
Those who took the crown away
Thus it is spoken the
Word
Henceforth, Knights of the Sacrament pursue thine quest, be fearless to turn wet an arid city of false angels with tears of loss
Forthwith, avenge the wrongs of those wretched whistling jesters that denied the truth and the unjustly denied the spurned true King his crown
by MustangMBS on Dec 22, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 22, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
It is a vicious cycle...
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Dec 22, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Henceforth.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I guess I've gotten the wrong impression of the Kings
I’m a Wolves fan, and what I’ve seen lately from the Kings I’ve really liked, and I thought they really took off when they slid Evans over to the 2 and started giving Beno a lot of run. Just took a look and saw you’re starting Evans at PG again, so I guess that wasn’t the only reason you guys started winning. If it were me, you’re getting such good, ahead-of-schedule results that I’d trade Martin for some frontcourt help, you’ve already got excellent backcourt talent to go forward with without Martin. I would’ve guessed Sactown folks would think the same, but you learn something new everyday. I’ll definitely be watching closely when he comes back now. Maybe I wrote him off a little easily. Still wouldn’t do the deal as a Wolves fan though, unless it was Sessions.
Congrats on your season so far, it’s been fun to watch. And believe me, as a Wolves fan I’m always on the lookout for some ball that’s fun to watch. We rarely are. You maybe heard.
Hey anyone see that Eric Maynor traded to OKC???
for the rights to Peter Fehse …. huh???
Salary dump for Jazz (it includes Matt Harpring, contract) they have their two back up PG’s injured.
There's a fanshot up
Much rejoicing
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
BENO UDRIH FOR AK-47 AND THE PICK!
LET’S DO IT!
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Tyreke Evans is a fantastic PG
but to diminish his size advantage by moving him to SG takes away alot of what makes him so great.
The Kings do not need a PG -at this point, I’d rather have Sergio than Sessions, Beno than the crap that would come along with Flyn, and would not be enthralled with picking up Rubio, because he needs shooters and the ball, and I’d rather have the ball in Tyreke’s hands.
Besides, Kevin Martin is my homeboy, and I’m not giving him up for anything less than a top 5 pick or a certifiable stud at C. And the Wolves aren’t giving up either of those. Besides, why would you give up your PGs for Martin, when Martin would work so well with those PGs?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
by iashwash on Dec 23, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
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