When we finally get to see Tyreke get to the basket in traffic and kick out to KMart for the open three, all doubts of these 2 players coexisting will be laid to rest.

As usual.

I agree, its stupid, but until they play together for some length of time, no article is going to convince people.

Honestly, you should get used to it. For the next two years at least, every time Kevin misses a big shot, Tyreke commits a turnover or dribbles too much, people are going to make the case they can’t play together.

Same goes when Cisco comes back!

Yeah, I like Bill Simmons, and read his most recent thing about the Tyreke not being a point guard. But what is the point?

People point to the first 5 games of the season, but they forget we’re talking about a rookie’s first 5 games in the NBA.

Last night it was perfectly clear that we need Kevin Martin. Rarely will there be someone like Lebron to play defense on Tyreke. Furthermore, Tyreke will eventually learn ways to score on these types of defenders. But having a guy like Kevin to play next to Tyreke in the end of games will make our end-of-game play calling a lot less predictable. Instead of having one main guy to use at the end of the game, we’ll have two incredibly gifted scorers and playmakers.

I’m rambling, but you get my point. Kevin Martin, when he comes back, will (happily) return to his efficient ways of being the #2 option on the team.

Shot averages (FG%), pts, minutes

Ron Artest: 6.5 – 14.9 (44%) for 18.8 pts in 37 minutes a game

Mike Bibby: 5.7 – 14.2 (40%) for 17.1 pts n 34 minutes a game

Brad Miller: 6.3 – 13.3 (47%) for 20.2 pts in 35 minutes a game

about 25 games of watching them play on the court. In theory (or on paper) they should be outstanding together, but NBA teams are interesting creatures. I can’t wait to watch them play together and judge for myself.

One Martin gets back he obviously needs time to adjust, this isn’t something that we should make our minds up on (for or against) before they’ve had time to adjust to eachothers game and for Martin to shake the cob webs out. Right with you Ba-Da Bing

simply because I know the national media hasn’t paid enough attention to really know how well Kevin plays off the ball. In the end I think many writers will be eating crow and having to admit that they were wrong, much like Simmons did yesterday regarding Tyreke as a superstar. What these guys don’t seem to realize is that Tyreke’s not a typical PG, but that it doesn’t matter because he’ll transcend the normal positional ideals. Any team would kill to have Dwayne Wade as their starting point guard. Wade’s not a point guard, but it doesn’t matter because he’s an amazing player that takes crappy teams to a higher level.

Honestly, when Kevin returns and gets back into the swing of things and earns the starting spot back I see Tyreke’s points dipping slightly but his assists going up.

Why does everyone think Paul Westphal has been starting Dante & Omri at the 2 spot & letting Tyreke Play the point? I believe he is preparing for Kevins return by playing players who are more similer to Kevins style. I am not saying they are close to Kevins talent but Kevin is a natural 2 gaurd & nothing else & Danti & Omri are the closest we got to that. He could have went with a Beno & Tyreke combo which has worked well in games but splits the ballhandling/pg duties & that doesn’t help Tyreke learn the permanent pg duties of the nba or prepare Tyreke to play with a real 2 gaurd. I believe Paul westphal has mapped out this season like any fine couch would while making adjustments along the way. I have full confidence if it can work westphal will find the way to do it

With the whole not a point guard crap. The guy is 20 years old and is averaging 5 assists a game in his rookie year. I was unaware this was a terrible thing.

while I agree that everyone should be on the block for the right price, but not for 99% of the crap that people throw out there just because the money matches.

someone e-mail this shit to all the writers on ESPN.

Ya know, it’s kinda crazy…maybe they should wait and see how Evans and Martin play together before making a decision. That might make a little more sense.

I was fortunate enough to have a friend who is a former NFL player and he has some pull down in security. After the game, one that I flew in for, he snuck me into the tunnel and just outside the Kings locker room. We couldn’t go in, but were able to stand outside and greet the players. I have found that the way a player behaves off the court can often times shed light on who they are as player. Here are a few observations I was able to make:

1- Beno’s girl owns him. Seriously, she cracked me up because she was talking to him as if they were in the living room at home. I also noticed that I didn’t notice him at first. Which is weird when you are watching like a hawk for players coming out. I am 6’3’’ and he has to be 5’11’’.

2- Donte has to be the funniest, nicest person I have met in awhile. I am not sure what this means as far as what kind of player he will be, but he came right over and introduced himself as if I wouldn’t know who he was. And he is a legit 6’10’’ with banana hands.

3- Spencer was walking around quite a bit, seemed almost lost. I think he is still trying to figure out who he is as a player. Its like in high school. Spencer is not the cool kid. He is just there. Maybe he is cool with a few of the cool kids, but he isn’t a cool kid. He won’t be an all-star and he won’t be one of your three best options, but he will be solid once he figures this thing out.

4- Ime Udoka is a glue guy and a snappy desser.

5- Sergio’s pants were so tight no wonder he runs so fast.

6- JT and Reke own the squad. I mean, everyone knows that they are the team. Everyone knows they just need to fit in.

7- K-Mart is excited to have ballers on his team. He loves the game and wants to be playing with the best. I am convinced by his willingness to be involved with everyone all the time.

Not sure if this helps, but I think it does.

Martin canvassed fro Reke during the draft.

Peaches had a good point yesterday on the radio. He mentioned how hard Lebron had to struggle for years because he demanded double and triple teams but never had that go to guy to pass it out to that would hit the shot. Then he got Mo Williams. He then talked about how last year Kevin was this team’s Batman, but if he’s willing to step down and play the role of Robin then this team will be great.

I think all of the above is true. Tyreke will drive the lane and dish it, but having Kevin Martin be the guy he passes it to will be way bigger than anyone else he has right now. That’ll make it easier for him to make the pass in crunch time. He’ll have a consistent three point threat rather than having to do it all himself because he doesn’t quite trust the other guys to hit those shots.

LeBron: What the hell? He was just in front of me.

as the Manu type of guy. Then we’d have Beno AND Kevin Martin coming off the bench.

Or, I’d like to see Westphal’s rotation have one of Kevin or Tyreke on the floor at all times, with them both playing in crunch time.

That Tyreke needs spot shooters to kick out to. What he/we ALSO need (which is Cleveland’s biggest weakness) is another player who can create his own shot. Cleveland is pathetic when La Bron is off the floor.

Kevin is not only one of the most efficient shooters in the league he creates his own shot as well.

We’ll soon have a team that will have either KM or Reke on the floor every minute.

It seems like ever since Noc and Beno got into the “That’s You!” / “No that was you!” argument about defensive lapses, that was so wonderfully picked up by the television microphones, that Nocioni is now the black sheep of the team.

All references to chucking, spray-and-pray, and offensive black holes aside, Nocioni is in a funk. He’s shot his way out of the starting lineup, his minutes seem to have been reduced quite a bit, and there was a specific play last night where the Kings were swinging the ball and Beno had the rock and the next pass would be to Noc, and he didn’t make the pass.

I don’t mean to jack a Kevin Martin/Tyreke Evans thread with a comment about Nocioni, but what gives?

In 2 months we will look at this debate and judge it to be as stupid as our summer debate of when should Evans start.

But for the right deal, say Bosh, I would.

Dog meat that Simmons sells,dont buy it. I look forward to years of Bayless vs Evans matchups,Tyreke is a little bigger,JB just as strong and a nanosecond faster with very similar skill sets,should be fun