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Kings Pitch the Nuggets Out of ARCO, Win 106-101

This is The Show, and we're not going to change it . ... Right?

-- George Constanza, Seinfield, "The Pitch"

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The work Donte Greene did on NBA leading scorer Carmelo Anthony some two nights after defending Kobe Bryant with everything he's got was nothing short of awe-striking. Greene has a unique body for a prospective stopper -- most keen perimeter defenders have some length (Tayshaun Prince) or strength (Ron Artest), and to most it's a craft, not a manifestation of supreme athletic ability. Greene is playing defense like Dwight Howard dunks, with explosiveness and elasticity. And it's a bit marvelous, if I may say so without being marked a purple-tinted groundhog.

Greene took the challenge of defending LeBron, Kobe and 'Melo in successive games with glee. That's brilliant, and kudos to Paul Westphal and his staff for getting Greene to buy in to this persona. It fits him well, especially as it enhances -- not deflates, but enhances -- Greene's versatile offensive game.

Star-divide

When you glance at the Kings' rebound totals, you'd figure the team did stellar work on the defensive glass. Jason Thompson (solid all-around) had eight defensive boards. Jon Brockman, Omri Casspi and Andres Nocioni each had six. But Denver had a whopping 20 offensive rebounds in 57 opportunities (!), which ends up as another bad effort for the Kings in that department, which is obscured by the rebound margin, which Sacramento actually won 48-46 because of three factors: the Nuggets shot terribly, leaving lots of defensive rebound opportunities (defenses typically rebound three of four opportunities) and the Kings had a massive number of turnovers (17) which decreased Sacramento's FGAs relative to Denver (80 versus 94), which deflates Denver's raw defensive rebound totals, and Denver missed a ton of free throws (15, compared to eight for Sacramento), further boosting the Kings' still pathetic defensive rebound rate, as missed free throws eligible for rebounding are typically won by the defense 90 percent of the time.

That's a continuous issue, and perhaps I should stop harping on it. It glares, yes, and this team would be in far better shape in closing minutes if it rebounded better on the defensive end, but it's hard to quibble on the 14th win in 30 tries in December. Had certain overtime games broken different ways, the Kings would be in position to claim its 17th win before the New Year, which would be all flavors of amazing. As it is, that 17th win should come no later than Martin Luther King Jr. Day, something incredible when you consider the team had only 10 wins at that point last year.

I'm not sure Nocioni has ever played better than he did Monday. He had a 108 percent True Shooting clip (!!), which means he scored more than two points for every shot attempt. That should be illegal. His rebounding was beaten per-minute only by Brockman and Thompson, he was a game-high +13, and he played solid defense against Anthony and Kenyon Martin. He seemed to play with more energy than we've seen in weeks, and I almost wonder if being bumped to power forward had something to do with it. It's almost as if the challenge of matching up with taller opponents gets his jingles at full alert. Something to watch going forward.

Brockman is a monogamous Justin Williams with a free throw stroke, three fewer inches and a love for pancakes.

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What an amazing game to watch. Too bad I wasn’t there ;-(

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Dec 29, 2009 8:13 AM PST reply actions  

I probably need to start writing

my public apology to Mr Greene.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Dec 29, 2009 8:17 AM PST reply actions  

Hey wait, where'd my thunder go?

And I’m not talking about the Sonics.

I was writing a FanPost about how badly we’ve missed the boat on Donté’s defensive emergence, but TZ covered much more eloquently than I would have. Its time to get excited about the future of Donté if these last couple weeks begin to be representative of the player he’s going to grow into.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 8:30 AM PST reply actions  

Artest Who??

Donte, Omri and team chemistry give us a helluva a lot more than Ron the Dog Beater could ever get us..actually we get Donte and Omri for peja if you go back….GP is back!

by want2win on Dec 29, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

Ron the Dog Beater? Really?

Ignorant much?

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by vfettke on Dec 29, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's sad

Some people just can’t compliment one player or group without bashing another. Artest hasn’t been on the team for a long while. When he was here, he played hard and was one of the few guys that actually cared. What is the point of bashing him?

by TheRaven on Dec 29, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

It's Ron Artest, so it's a given that he'll get bashed

There is almost no article about Ron Artest that does not mention the Palace Brawl. Ron could pilot a plane full of orphans and kittens to safety after both its pilots died and there’d still be a blurb in the news story that says “Artest was involved in the infamous Palace Brawl in 2004 where he beat the crap out of some fans”

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by vfettke on Dec 29, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

But while he was piloting the plane, he would probably be drinking and doing a podcast promoting his rap career. And he would ignore the control tower and land on whatever runway he felt like. It’s true Ron gets bashed a lot, and I’m probably high on the list of bashers. But don’t try and make it sound like he hasn;t earned the rep. It wasn’t just one mistake, and it hasn’t ended.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Dec 29, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I know the guy's crazy

but some of this shit is stupid. Calling him a dog beater when it was proven that he really did nothing wrong other than hiring some crappy caretakers for his dogs is just ignorant. And the constant mention of the Palace Brawl gets so damned old.

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by vfettke on Dec 29, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm with vfettke on this one

And it’s not a function of forgiving Ron for past sins. It has more to do with the fact that Ron is no longer our issue, and he helped this franchise a great deal by having enough value to fetch us Greene and a draft pick, which begat Casspi. I’m not absolving him for his past, but I wish him the best of luck in his non-Lakers related future.

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by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

And I wish him the best. I just don’t expect it. I’ve said it before, Ron has a great heart and an incredible spirit. But he has the maturity level of a five year old in many ways. I don’t blame my five year old for not feeding the dog. But if I was a dog I wouldn’t want a five year-old caring for me.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Dec 29, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but I don't think Ron deserves our sympathy

http://cbs13.com/local/Ron.Artest.Dogs.2.476036.html I had a buddy that was part of the crew of police officers that supervised the roundup of the dogs. If he says they were in bad shape I believe him. Sure, maybe he hired a caretaker, if you choose to believe that, but 77 days at the pound neglected? The problem was that they didn’t have enough evidence to make a case stick and didn’t want to waste taxpayer dollars in going after somebody that could hire high priced lawyers and had people claiming to be “caretakers” for the animals. You believe what you would like, I’ll continue to beleive that Ron Artest is a scumbag that doesn’t deserve our sympathy.

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by The Czar on Dec 29, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

hung over

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Know how you feel bro.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too...ugh.

Seven beers last…SEVEN!!!

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Dec 29, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm waiting for the photo that was taken of the group

But I’ll have some rant-dumb thoughts later if the photo does not arrive today.

Meanwhile, let me be the first to post (unless someone already said it in the game threads)…Trade Tyreke!!!

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by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Well,

Looks like Sims beat me to it. No surprise there.

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by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

That guy rules.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Dec 29, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Jon Brockman...

That man played with so much intensity yesterday. It was amazing. That block he had (I think it was on Nene)……WOW.

And that's wassup.

by Sacramento_Strong on Dec 29, 2009 8:53 AM PST reply actions  

Kings

now 7-3 when Brockman plays at least 12 minutes, 7-13 when he doesn’t.

Back home from Sactown, had a great night last night, very nice to meet a lot of you. My son also had a great time.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

the show must go on

     “The Show” needs to be on the floor. There is only one other player on the Kings who has a chance against James, Melo, or the Denver Room Service King. That is Noce. And if Noce is gone in a few weeks like a lot on this site propose because of his contract, that leaves Donte.
       This thread may go on longer than I thought.
      Is Casspi the small forward of the future? I think so. The dude plays “d”, hits the 3, drives to the basket, and is not a bad rebounder.
       Is Jt the power forward of the future? Most definitely.
       Is Evans the point/combo guard of the future? Dude will be MVP in a few years.
       Is Spence the center of the future? Good question.
   
        Here lies PW’s good problem.

         If JT, Casspi, Evans, and Green need to be on the floor, and Martin is coming back, he can play a combo of these players depending on the match ups. But I want interior help. We are not far away. Hell we went toe to toe with the Cavs, the Lakers, and beat Denver. We should have beat the Cavs and Lakers if we play 5 on 5 basketball and not 1 on 5 basketball in the final few minutes and I am not blaming Evans. Last night we played 5 on 5 and got the win.

        We all want Bosh. But asking Bosh to leave a max deal on the table on come to Sac are a lot of big ifs.

         Go get Okafor. How? For Martin. Is Martin better than Okafor? Hell yes. But read further. Okafor gives you 8-15 points a night, 8-15 rebounds a night, interior “d” and a post presence. So why is it a fair trade. If I am the NO gm this is what I say to GP. GP, you say KM is a better player than Okafor. I agree to that. But here is what you are getting. Someone who has been on the floor all 82 games the last few years, plays “d” and rebounds,and is a an interior presence . Here is what you are giving me. Someone who scores 25-35 a night, drives to the rims, shoots the heck out of the 3 ball, and gets fouled a lot. Hell I like that, but I am only getting that dude for 60-70 games a year (history proves this and iit s closer than 60 games a year). That is why the trade is fair. Agree or Disagree? I

       Ok, I just put on the my kevlar vest, now I can hit post button

by noreboundsnorings on Dec 29, 2009 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

I'm OK with dealing for Okafor,

even if he is slightly overpriced. But I’m not OK dealing Martin for him, who is slightly underpriced. That said, this deal is closer to being fair for both sides than 95% of the deals that we see posted around here. I would not like this deal, but I would eventually come to accept it.

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by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

You must have a hangover

Okafur for K-Mart is close to being fair. Really? Okafur is a more athletic Jon Brockman + two block shots (overrated) + a couple more points. That’s all. He’s not even the size of JT. He dwarfs JT by two inches.

The original trade up for consideration was K9 (and possible deal sweeteners) for Okafur. There was hesitation to move an EC to assume a $40 million dollar obligation. Now all of the sudden you are receptive to trading our best player for this middling underachiever? Okafur is not an impact player. The Hornets didn’t start to play well until they inserted two rookies into their rotation. Teams aren’t too concerned with Okafur because he doesn’t play outside of his space on the court. He is a non-factor most nights. I would rather have Luol Deng over Okafur. Deng is an impact player. Okafur not so much.

I do think the topic of Okafur will be re-visited at the trade deadline because of the contention by the Maloofs they are in improved financial shape, and could potentially take on a contract like his. But the fact remains a guy like Okafur can be largely ignored offensively as teams use a big man to shadow Tyreke.

Trading for a guy to make life harder on Tyreke while surrendering your best player is recipe for catastrophe. Petrie can sniff this out a mile away. He earned a three year extension for his aardvark-like sniffer.

One feasible scenario suggested elsewhere was moving K9 and Noce in a trade to get Okafur, with perhaps a third team involved. This type of deal makes a lot more sense to me, and I would be excited if Petrie could make it happen. I disagree that the Hornets would do a pure salary dump, and would at least ask for Brockness in the deal, especially if they witnessed last night.

by bench_blob on Dec 29, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Re-read, please

I said that it is closer to being fair than 95% of the deals that are posted around here, and I stand by that. The deal of expiring and garbage to New Orleans is unfair to them, and it is predicated on the notion that they must dump his contract, a contract that they took on less than a few months ago. This is the same type of garbage that has us dealing Martin for expiring because we are not selling out ARCO Arena. If the Hornets were hurting that bad financially, they would not have traded the shorter Chandler contract for the longer Okafur contract.

Now, having said that, I would not make the deal, because I think that the Kings may be able to add to the front line via the draft or free agency and keep Martin, and that would be a win-win. But let’s be fair here. Okafur is averaging 10 boards and nearly 2 blocks a game, which is better than anyone that the KIngs have, including the towering Jason Thompson.

Big men are overpaid in the NBA. That’s the way it is. An Okafur for Martin deal is close to a fair deal when you take into consideration contract length and price, as well as depth of talent at their respective positions. I wouldn’t do that deal. But it is much, much closer to being a fair and realisitc deal than Kenny Thomas and some magic beans.

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by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I see your points

Hornets aren’t giving away Okafur. And neither are we giving away K-Mart. A fair deal must be consummated from the perspective of both sides, or else nothing gets done. I think we are in general agreement, although I would whole heartedly reject the trade as an unfair heist of the Kings, and not an exchange of close to equal value as you suggest.

My point of view is the Kings are at a critical point in time in their rebuild, or revitalization of the team. Within the next 12 to 18 months, and the roster moves that are to be made, we will likely be looking at a close to finished product, and the designing of a team we hope to contend for NBA championship.

It will obviously be crucial as to how we use our assets, which includes existing talent and cap flexibility to put the finishing touches on the roster.

If you take K-Mart and that turns into Okafur, you are replacing an impact player with an underwhelming big guy who is who he is after 5 years in the league. He is not getting any better. He is playing with the best PG in the NBA, and those two are not exactly clicking like a dynamic duo. If he can’t feast off Paul, it won’t get any better with Tyreke.

Petrie is paid to envision what could be, and the addition of Okafur at the sacrifice of a star he would likely envision a .500 team with limited upside and limited flexibility, and that’s not our goal.

If Hornets want to move Okafur, and have interest in Brockman, K9, spare parts, and we can get a third team involved to take Noce, then yeah, go for it. Otherwise, not interested. The idea is not seek fairness, but to be shrewd and patient, and act with calculated risk to take a quantum leap, not a lateral step, backward step, or baby step.

With the upgrade in talent last six months, in particular Omri, Reke and development of JT and Donte, we are in a position of strength right now, which is a cool place to be. We can afford to be selective and opportunistic in adding final pieces. Trading K-Mart for a 6’9 center with no post skills would be the opposite of that.

by bench_blob on Dec 29, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

(Okafor)

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Dec 29, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Valid points, all

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by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Except that Okafur's value was already pegged at magic beans in a round-about way.

Chandler was initially traded for EC. When the trade failed to go through due to a failed physical, he was sent packing for Okafur instead. So, if the Bobcats got a guy valued equal with two expiring contracts (Wilcox/Smith) for Okafur, why is Kenny Thomas and magic beans a stretch for him? I think KTEC is much closer to Okafur’s value than Martin is, given the history there.

by cabz on Dec 29, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

(Okafor)

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Dec 29, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Okafor

Okafor
Okafor
Okafor
Okafor
Okafor
Okafor
Okafor

There, I said it.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Dec 29, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaking head

Donte and Casspi need to be on the floor, but Martin doesn’t? Don’t get caught up in the all the euphoria just yet. Donte can play the two or the three. He can guard the two or the three. But he is not Kevin Martin. And I don’t believe he or Casspi ever will be. For every great play Donte makes on defense, he makes a boneheaded play on offense. A backcourt of ‘Reke and Greene is great defensively, but Donte doesn’t stretch the D at all. Plus if we do trade Noc, and Greene is now a 2, who is your backup three?

Yes, we need a good defensive center. But the truth is that we will have a young, exciting team, minutes, and $15 mil give or take next year. We can get our final piece without losing our most effective scorer. Remember, K-Mart was avareaging 30 points a game without hogging the ball. Are Casspi or Greene ever going to give you that on a regular basis? I think not.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Dec 29, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree in spirit

but asserting Donte won’t stretch defenses going forward is a little questionable. For all the teeth-gnashing about Donte shooting 3s over the summer, he’s having the last laugh so far this year, shooting 35% from behind the line.

I totally agree he has many “youthful exuberance” moments still. However, I don’t about you guys, but for me, when he gets the ball at the 3pt line, sets his feet, and squares to the basket, I feel pretty good about him letting those go. You can see the consistency getting closer. All of that being said, he’ll never be Kevin shooting it, don’t get me wrong, Kevin is special, but Donte’s getting better by leaps and bounds.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

See my comment below

Not saying Donte won’t get better. But their are only a handful of players in the NBA who score as much and as effectively as K-Mart. He is a great guy. A Great player. A Great teammate. And, a great contract. The only knock you can put on the guy is that he has been injured the last couple of seasons. But the injuries are not of the type that let you predict that he will be injured over and over. He’s not a GW type player who throws his body around too much. He doesn’t have bad knees or ankles. The thing is, we can have our K-Mart and Donte it too. Dang, if the worst case scenario is having Greene, Casspi, or even K-Mart come off the bench, we are in really good shape.

I think what kills me most about these trade K-Mart posts is that we don’t have to. We can get a solid defensive rebounding center without trading our first or second best player—depending on how you see him.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Dec 29, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you

sometimes people can’t be happy with doing nothing, even if doing nothing is working. This season has been tremendous, other than injuries, you can literally find evidence one of our young guys are getting better damn near every night. Our salary cap situation makes sense come this summer, the coach seems like the right guy, the GM we are fortunate to have just signed a 3 year extension, everything is pointed in the right direction, but people can’t be patient.

I’m with you, if I were GM, they’d have to pry Kevin away from my cold, dead hands.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent post

It is hard not to get caught up in how well our young players have been, but they are a few years off of approaching Kevin. I can’t imagine Kevin is not going to help tremendously in the development of Tyreke, in that he will be our biggest offensive threat, giving Tyreke much more room to do his thing, and he will also allow JT to continue to develop his post game. He is still our only guy capable of scoring anywhere on the floor. If Kevin is in game shape, I cant imagine within a few games of his coming back we will be scoring closer to 112-115 per game rather than the present pace of 104. Our four main backcourt guys are going to be Kevin, Tyreke, Beno, and Cisco? Ridiculous.

by MichaelMack on Dec 29, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

No deal no way

As Section points out you get an underpriced player and we get an overpaid player. Furthermore, we need KMart to be on the floor to be competitive. His scoring would have won us those games. Teams with one all-star or even star player don’t win championships. You have to have a couple of those types. Evans and KMart qualify as that level of talent and we need both to win a championship. Maybe not this year, but it is coming.

by MustangMBS on Dec 29, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

You can get Okefor for expirings

New Orleans will literally give him away if someone else will pay him, why would we trade Kevin for him.

I’m all for getting Okefor, but there is no urgency to get him now. New Orleans will want to geth rid of him for expirings for the foreseeable future.

Also, the assertion that the most likely scenario is Kevin will only play 60 games a year is absurd.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Thank you.

ForThree, you are officially my favorite poster. Steve Nash was a wreck his first four seasons in the NBA, and here he is still in an MVP race at 34.

by MichaelMack on Dec 29, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

section214 disagrees Okefor is available for close to expirings though

and his opinion is certainly worth paying attention to; he makes a good case.

So maybe there is urgency to get Okefor. Personally, I think he is the right guy, unless we’re very lucky in the draft.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a fan of Okefor as well

And I think he would round out our team nicely, I do think that NO will probably want something more than our expirings, though.

by MichaelMack on Dec 29, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps.

If they remain well outside the title race (highly likely), however, I think it’s likely they will consider Okafor for EC and a minor asset. They tried to trade Chandler for two expiring contracts when things weren’t going well last season, why is it such a stretch that they would the same thing again this year or during the off-season?

by cabz on Dec 29, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Okafor

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Dec 29, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, I agree completely. Don't trade Kevin when Kenny's enough.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Dec 29, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevlar isn't enough.

You should probably start having someone taste your food for you, and get a remote starter for your car.

Martin could play in every single game the rest of his career, and Donté could blow out his knee tomorrow. Casspi could get hit by a bus.

You’re trying to predict the future by looking at random events from the past, and it doesn’t work that way. If it did, given the Cavs and Laker games, you’d have to say that you don’t want Evans having the ball in his hands down the stretch.

Right now we’re relying on role players to get us past teams, or even keep us in games. It will make all the difference in the world to this team to be able to have Martin’s ever-so-reliable 20-30+ ppg night in and night out. Then when Donté, Casspi or Noce has a bad game (and name me a game other than last night when all three played well) we don’t have to count on them for the win.

This is a terrible idea that is proposed every single time the Kings win, which, being fairly regular around here, you should know.

The Kings have no intention of trading Martin right now. They’ve said it publicly. So speculation of this kind is at best premature, and at worst, incredibly stupid.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 29, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

You mentioned

we should have beaten the Cavs and Lakers if we were playing 5 on 5 basketball instead of 1 on 5. Paul Westphal was on with Grant and Mike and he explained his position on that. He said that most teams will do that at the end of the game if the score is tied. The idea is that if you get into motion and passing, that gives the defense a better chance of stealing the ball resulting in a broken play. An isolation play gives the team on offense the last chance to score. That player would and should be Tyreke because he is the best 1 on 1 player we have. Who is defending him doesn’t matter, it gives him experience for the future.

If Tyreke gets his shot off and it banks off the rim against the Lakers I don’t think we are having this discussion. Westphal said that Tyreke just got into motion a little late and fumbled the ball. I can’t argue with his logic.

by gtrman1973 on Dec 29, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure

how this reply ended up here?

by gtrman1973 on Dec 29, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You got it fine gtr

Click on ‘up’ and you’ll see the post you’re replying to.

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by edm7 on Dec 29, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

pleasantly surprised

Donte’ really seems to have turned the corner, as far as his mental approach to this NBA business is concerned. He still has that beautiful smile and playfulness with his teammates after a win, but you can see he is a lot more serious about his career, and what he needs to improve upon to help out this team and be a solid contributor.

The same can be said for Jason, although he seemed to understand the need for improvement since day one. But he has improved immensely since last year. Still looks kinda goofy/awkward sometimes in his moves, but he’s making strong shots in the post, in addition to those reliable 15 footers.

Don’t mean to bash, but I hope Spencer will take notes from those other guys who are improving their games. He’s got loads of talent. If he could improve like those guys have, he’d be fantastic.

…and what an amazing draft! Can’t be said enough. All three rookies are HUGE reasons for the turnaround. Not a huge difference in wins (yet) compared to last year, but a gargantuan difference in skill, competitiveness and heart….and ferociousness!

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by LaBradford on Dec 29, 2009 9:03 AM PST reply actions  

Great post

I have been really impressed by several of Donte’s drives to the basket, that seems like it can be an effective tool for him.

Most awkard moment of watching last night’s game while visiting my parents in East Sacramento? My 64 year old mom telling me why Donte is her favorite, only to have the broadcast show Donte sitting in front of his locker, texting while shirtless, and my mom utter under her breath, “Oh my, he is so handsome”.

by MichaelMack on Dec 29, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Could have been worse -

Same setting, except it is Coachie shirtless and texting…

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by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Okay

That is just so messed up in so many ways. But every time I read it I can’t help but laugh. You are fine form, Section!

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Dec 29, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you mean

in fine form.

Unless you’re talking about Section with his shirt off.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 29, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

My reply, which has been severely weakened by following yours:

Could have been much worse -

Same setting, except it is section214 shirtless and texting, and your grandmother, who looks like SavageBeast, utters “Oh my, you are so handsome. You are fine form, Section!”

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 29, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

So funny.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

or donte...

is actually sexting Coachie….just to drag the thread to a new and totally depsicable low.

Section214 is my hero. Good shakes!

by debrixtha1 on Dec 29, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would you say that??

I’m not sure I can unthink that.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Dec 29, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Because it's not his job to remove your mind of haunting images.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I had a feeling before the game

that Noc was going to step up and have a better game. I was very happy to see this come true. We need him to hit the open threes and to be impressive for any potential deals in the future. Although I wouldn’t mind him staying on the team because of his toughness and grit. I’ve heard a lot of people say trade him to a contender that needs an extra lift come playoff time. Well we may be that contender before we know it.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Dec 29, 2009 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

Nice grind-it-out win against a good team

You’ve got to be able to do that

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

donte and casspi reply to savage

     To say that Donte and Casspi will never be as good as Martin is premature. You have a junior in college and a rookie contributing more in the 1st and 2nd year than Martin ever contributed in his first two years. Martiin’s first couple of years had people wondering if he belonged in the league. He put in some long hard work and look where he is today. But if Donte and Casspi put in this same type of work and Casspi seems to have the work ethic and Donte seems to have turn the corner, who is to say what they will never become. I may be stretching it a bit here, but I believe Donte has the potential to be something very special and will be one of the Kings top two or three players needed to tget this team to hat championship level.
        Donte can play some “d”, he runs the floor well, can drive to the basket, even has a little jump hook at times, and I believe will eventually stretch the “d” as his 3 point shooting becomes more consistent.
        If Donte stays on the same progressive level that we have seen this year, and he is only a junior in college, I believe he will pass Martin. He may not put up 30 a night, But he will be a better all around player. That he why needs to be on the floor along with Jt and Evans. Casspi is not far behind either.

by noreboundsnorings on Dec 29, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

In Martin's 2nd year

he shot 48% from the floor, 37% from the 3pt line and 84% from the line while starting 41 games; his PER was 14.8 just shy of NBA average, all of this when he was 22 years old.

I’m not taking anything away from Omri and Donte, but the revisionist history with regard to Martin is ridiculous. It also leaves out his 3rd and 4th year, when he made the huge leap to a PER of over 20 both years.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

And

Kevin did not have the opportunity to play as much his rookie year as Omri has, either.

by MichaelMack on Dec 29, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

No one is saying they will never be as good

Hell, half the rookies in the first round of the draft “might” be as good as K-Mart one day. But might doesn’t win games. Considering that only a handful of players are able to score as many points as K-Mart with as few shots, it is very, very unlikely Casspi or Donte will ever score as much or as effectively as K-Mart. That doesn’t make K-Mart better, it makes his unique—in a positive way. And speaking of premature, it is WAY too premature to say that Donte and Casspi are guaranteed starters on a playoff quality team. They are what they are, young up and comings with a great looking future. K-Mart has achieved that future.

Don’t know how many times I have to say this—K-Mart and Evans could be the best backcourt in the league. The best bar none. Think about that before you start trying to trade a guy who has only played five games with our all-star point guard. Trading K-Mart right now would be worse than stupid. It would be criminal.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Dec 29, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. Great discourse, everybody, on Donte, Casspi and Martin.

Basically, it’s just too soon to talk about trading Kevin. Personally, I’d want to see exactly what we have with Kevin Martin in the lineup. We probably won’t really see the unit playing at its “peak” until March since it takes time for great chemistry to develop.

You’re totally right, Beast, Kevin and ‘Reke is the scariest backcourt in the league. We, the fans, owe it to ourselves to wait and see how great that duo can become. If it doesn’t work, fine, at least the Kings have a very valuable trading commodity. If it is successful, the league better watch out. Championship teams have depth, which is what the Kings have. I’m going to wait till March to pass judgment. I think a month and a half of games should tell us if Kevin and ‘Reke can truly ’gel’.

If Kevin and ‘Reke work out well and Coach Westphal figures out a formula that plays to everyone’s strength, the Kings will just be missing a low post big away from being sure shot championship contender. Go Kings…and great thread.

33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.

by JETisKing on Dec 29, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Friendly reminder to use the reply button. It's at the bottom-right of the post.

Also, you don’t need to tab-indent your paragraphs.

I think Casspi has a lot of potential, and I see his ceiling as a slightly smaller Dirk Nowitzki. I’d be happy if Donté could be a 15 point, 5 board guy on a consistent basis. I think he needs to work on his rebounding. One reason he doesn’t grab many is that he plays on the perimeter on both sides of the ball.

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by JediLeroy on Dec 29, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair Enough...

Ron didnt beat his dog, I never mentioned the brawl, my point was poorly stated. I should have just said our trade value for Ron is looking great! I did not know that we had so many Ron fans on StR, rookie mistake.

by want2win on Dec 29, 2009 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

Not really fans

There’s a lot here, the majority I think that were not sorry to see him go. He’s evolved into the ‘remember our crazy uncle?’ status. He did almost singlehandedly get us to the playoffs once.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 29, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

'remember our crazy uncle?' status

LOVE IT! I hereby suggest that all future references to Ron-Ron must be preceded by “Crazy Uncle.” Not hating. Not ignoring the time he singlehandedly brought the Jazz back into the game by beating his chest like King Kong. And definitely not forgetting how he put the Kings on his back and nearly dragged them kicking and screaming into the playoffs.

Crazy Uncle Ron really went off on the Spurs last night. Did you see the ESPN interview where Crazy Uncle Ron talked about how he used to light up before road games. Crazy Uncle Ron could be the defesive player of the year.

Go Crazy Uncle Ron!

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Dec 29, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Ron-Ron is as talented as anyone in the League - he can be a force on defense and offense

but sorry, not a team guy.

Look at it this way; what is the current personality of this Kings team? Toughness, grittiness that competes every game. Seems tailor made for Ron Artest on the surface.
And like a pretty bimbo – it iswhat gets her in the door before she opens her mouth. Problem is we have seen that bimbo with her clothes off and her mouth open… wait a second, that is not what I meant …what I mean is – we have done more than admire the view but no thanks for a second date.

Would anyone on this board want Crazy Uncle Ron on this squad?

… waiting……I didn’t think so. Good luck to him.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 29, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

The idea of SB wanting Crazy Pills on the Kings is rather amusing.

Jes sayin….

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

4 more Crazy Uncle Ron’s..Imagine he would never pass to himself, never set him self up for the pick and roll and who would be desperate enough to coach him..oh wait i have just the guy

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not so much that I'm a fan of Ron

although now that he’s not a King I love the guy. I think ignorant name calling is dumb. That whole situation was handled poorly by the media. When it happened the media went crazy about it. But when it was later revealed that the people he hired to take care of his dogs weren’t doing their jobs well and the main dog that was taken away for being malnourished actually had some sort of disease that caused him to lose weight. But all that was largely ignored.

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by vfettke on Dec 29, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I am an unabashed Artest fan

That crazy bastard played full-bore every single minute he was in the game, times when we were down 20 with :30 left on the clock, and times where we were out of the playoff chase by a mile. The brawl was ancient history by the time he got here. I won’t root for him to get a ring with the Lakers, but I’ll root for him to do well.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Dec 29, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Bleh

I always thought he was wildly overrated as a King, based on that run during the playoff series against the Spurs.

His defense is supposed to be his strong suit, but I think that facet of his game has declined considerably. He generally ran his own program on the offensive side of the ball, and fancied himself as a high scoring superstar type of player – which is absurd.

I think he’s about the least deserving person I can think of to get a ring by riding on Kobe’s back. Sadly, I have a feeling that is going to come to fruition.

Other than all that, I’m cool with the guy.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Dec 29, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Whether he was overrated or not

Artest was the best all-around player on the Kings during his tenure here, and probably the second-best offensive option. Prior to coming to the Kings he was more of defensive force, and he definitely expanded his offensive game with the opportunity the Kings stint provided him with.

He brought his A game most nights, and it’s hard to fault the effort and intensity he displayed. The team was already in decline and denial, and shipping him off sent that decline off a cliff. A borderline bottom of the bracket playoff contender drooped into the worst team in the league. And now we are here, and it’s a nice place to be.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny thing is

I used to think Artest really delayed the rebuilding process, but now I do not think so. I don’t think it made a difference. The return on Artest was reasonable, and Houston got a reasonable deal out of doing so.

I also think trading Artest, after 2 1/2 years here, also hurt this team from a coverage standpoint. Artest may be the most unique figure in the NBA today. Thus, a good portion of that attention helped the Kings part of the national consciousness despite the fact the team had seriously declined during Artest’st time here.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I see Artest as the newest

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOl @ the puppy piercing

Auto rec solely cuz of that.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Took me a couple minutes but it was worth it!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh come on Pook i was waiting for the TWSS..I am so dissapointed!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

She says that far too often in these kind of situations.

I’d thought I’d give her a break this time.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

OUch ok that is good..Forgiven x2

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Now...

That’s what she said.

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Dec 30, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Spuds McKenzie

say it ain’t so. You went and got your freak on. Hollywood kills everything

by betweentheeyes on Dec 29, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah just Rodman..Look at Pamela

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

At first blush I thought you were being revisionist here
despite the fact the team had seriously declined during Artest’s time here.

But then I remembered the Musselman season. I think I had tried to block that memory out.

In any case, the decline was well under way when Ron was brought in and rescued Adelman’s last season. Then came Musselman. The Kings got a little better with the 38-win season in Theus’ first year, and then Ron moved on to greener pastures.

Anyway, he’s gone, we’re on the rise, and that’s the important thing to focus on.

Plus we have Brockman. He’s bottled up some of what made Artest special, without the Hennessy and other attendant baggage.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

LOL @ hennessy & other attendant baggage

Automatic rec.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

2nd’d

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

This
Artest was the best all-around player on the Kings during his tenure here, and probably the second-best offensive option. Prior to coming to the Kings he was more of defensive force, and he definitely expanded his offensive game with the opportunity the Kings stint provided him with.

Says less about Artest and more about the Kings. It’s one of the reasons I see him as overrated, tbh.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Dec 30, 2009 5:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Kmart's return

will see the Kings improve even more. One thing that sticks out to me is Paul Westphal’s system. He plays the guys who are doing well, and benches those that make mistakes. He also looks at mismatches. One game we have Donte starting, another game Beno, another game Casspi.

I think this approach will continue once Martin returns. That is the great part about Westphal, he plays what works and does not stick with a lineup that doesn’t.

I feel great watching these Kings, because I know that if a starter has an off night, there is a surplus of hungry players ready to take the floor. What an exciting team.

I bet somewhere Crazy Uncle Ron has a tear in his eye…

by DirtyDribblers on Dec 29, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

+1

Love it! Crazy Uncle Ron is like a Ritz cracker. It just makes everything a little better.

""Balance your right to dissent, with your responsibility to contribute."
Gordan Ryan

by SavageBeast on Dec 29, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Dec 29, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

That shirt makes it perfect

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 29, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it just me...

… or did Denver have a green fit ball next to their bench? Check the video on NBA.com. Are they taking the piss?

by Rickyflip on Dec 29, 2009 11:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

You are correct they did..I think it was a bit of an insult to garcia..

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The Kings

got the last laugh, I’d say.

by KingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed..I think the kings told the Nuggets to take the physio ball and shove it

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Kings defensive rebounding stats

… to me are low because they double team constantly and are slow to rotate which leaves players out of position to block out and rebound. There were a lot of times Kenyon Martin and the Birdman were in perfect position to rebound if not for a bad bounce off the rim. Kings really need Spencer to play like a big instead of a real life version of Gumby…

by T-Lo on Dec 29, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

The biggest issue with the rebounding is the disappearance of Spencer Hawes for giant periods of time. JT grinds, K9 and Brockman grind, Noc grinds, and Spence paints his toenails.

Honestly, Hawes’ inability to play to his size is infuriating. He flirts with us on those pretty bounce passes, but then spits in our face with those weak put-backs that get smacked into the second row. I’m pretty sure my 3-year-old son could out-rebound him and he couldn’t guard a fence post.

by FireBrianSabean on Dec 29, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

His rebounding

is similar to Joel Pryzbilla and Jermaine O’Neal at a similar age, and he’s the best post defender on the team, except maybe for K9, who is too short and tons more experienced.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This also explains why the interior defense is so poor

When K9 and Spence are your best interior defenders, your interior defense isn’t going to be pretty good overall.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd and to add

I’m thinking Westphal may want to start Brockman instead of Hawes. The Brock Ness monster out rebounds Hawes 2 to 1.

by KingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

at the cost of not doing anything else worthwhile.

I like Brockman too, but he has a severely limited toolbox to work with.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I gotta disagree

Sure, Brockman is not a scoring machine but he plays defense and does all the little things that does not show up in the box score. He can be a royal pain in the butt to the opposition.

by KingsFan on Dec 29, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Next time you watch a Kings game

watch when Spencer gets posted up by someone with a legit post game. This happens a lot, because Spencer almost always guards the opposing big with the best post game. Generally, the Kings do not bring double team help most of the time.

Now watch when Brockman gets posted up by anyone with a post game. It may take a while, because Brockman almost always is assigned the worst offensive big, but when you find examples of Brockman being posted up, watch how fast and how often the Kings bring double team help.

This tells you, the coaches think Spencer is a better post defender than Brockman. I love Brockman too, he’s fun, but he doesn’t have the tools to be the defender Spencer does.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you

It is hard not to like Brockman, but he skill is specific and limited, he is like a fantastic platoon player in baseball. Because it’s not a flashy skill, Spencer’s ability to hold his ground against opposing players in the post doesn’t get noticed a lot by people other than Jerry Reynolds, who make several positive comments a game.

by MichaelMack on Dec 29, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Spencer is a good low post defender

if he has a short coming, it’s the ability to block his own man’s shot. He is an excellent help defender and that’s were most of his blocks come. But, then he’s only been the starting center since last Feb, so I’d give him a little time on that aspect since it’s more of a timing and experience skill.

As 4-3 points out, since Spencer is defending the other teams best big, his block out of his man helps his front court mate, get more rebounds and better shots. Unfortuneately, it isn’t alway reciprocal. Take the Laker game, Hawes had 2 shots blocked on the same possession, one by his man and the other by the other bigs man.

One point concerning Hawes’ defensive skill,s that is overlooked is his ability not to foul when he has to go one on one. Of course, the opposite is his weakness on the offensive side. He doesn’t attack thru his defender and draw fouls on offense.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 29, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

Spencer definitely has things to work on defensively:

1) Getting stronger, he’s made progress, and will fill out as het gets older, but plenty of room for improvement

2) Defending earlier. Lots of times, Spencer will run back to the key and then start playing defense, which is the natural thing to do as a center. When he does that though, good post up players will immediately lock him down in the middle of the paint and get position that is too good. He needs to run back and find his man before he gets into the paint and start defending him at the edge of the key at least.

3) Better decision making. One of the reasons Spencer is such a lousy defender this year, is he tries to block everything near the paint. He needs to make better decisions when to help, and when he doesn’t need to help and should start blocking out.

4) More activity. There have been times he hasn’t worked hard enough, and there’s no excuse. I think PW is making progress with him here though, He’ll never be Brockman, that kind of motor is special, but he’s not experienced enough yet to take any plays for granted.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

in point 3

instead of defender I meant rebounder.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 29, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes he does leave his feet alot, even when he's out of position

I’m not sure I totally agree with point 2, but that may be simply about timing. I have seen the Kings get back on defense and form a line across the court at the FT line only to have a player behind them get a pass and go in for a dunk.

I like 2 players to get back deep, say just outside the paint on either side of the basket. Then once the fast break is avoided, they can come out to meet their man. It doesn’t have to be both bigs, it could be a wing and a big. But since JT is usually hitting the offensive glass, it’s probably going to be Hawes and someone else.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 29, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Those lousy guys Brockman gets to guard
It may take a while, because Brockman almost always is assigned the worst offensive big.

Like Pao Gasol and Nene?

That said, I think Westphal is doing a good job of using Brockman. He obviously trusts him, because he’s playing crunch time minutes. But it’s better to start Spencer and bring in Brockman to punish the opponents if they get a little too cozy.

I think Brockman would shoot more if he was more of a mop-up garbage time player, but he’s not and he’s savvy and unselfish enough to know the team has better offensive options than him at this point.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree about Brockman

He’s a 10-20 min guy and a 4th rotation big on a championship team. That is what he will be because he simply does not have ENOUGH tools to be more than that. I wish he was, but if that was the case, especially given the league’s absolute desperate need for size, if Brockman could jump say, 5 more inches on his vert leap, be a bit longer, 2 inches taller, he might have went ahead of Griffin given all the things he does now.

But, I think Brockman despite his lack of SOME physical gifts makes up for that with his style. If he was a big guy, he would probably not be as effective doing the things he does now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes

When you are not graced with all the physical tools, you realize you have to work a lot harder, and it’s that hard work that makes you special. It’s kind of like with quarterbacks and guys who are not tall enough to fit the prototype, but manage to get the job done nonetheless. Doug Flutie, anyone?

Brockman lacks size and arm length, but he has pretty good hops and decent speed. Definitely underrated in those areas. And there are few with a motor and sense of purpose like his.

He really helped the Kings turn around the Nuggets game at the end of third quarter. With him in there, they turned a two-point deficit into a seven-point lead in about three minutes. I think they were still up three when he left the game.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been impressed with his athleticism as well

He’s quicker and springier than we were led to believe coming out of college.

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by otis29 on Dec 30, 2009 5:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree and I was trying not to crap on Brockman while defending Hawes.

In addition to the points about Brockman’s athleticism you brought up, he’s a quick leaper, which, in addition to amazing hustle, is one of the reasons he’s such a good rebounder.

Brockman’s been really good, and PW’s done a great job with him.

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by ForThree on Dec 30, 2009 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't trying to bash Hawes

I think they both bring something to the table. I only brought up Hawes because HighTops mentioned the 11 blocks in the Lakers game and lumped that in with Brockman, although none of those blocks happened with Brockman in the game.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 30, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if it's his size or his style

but Brockman, based on the rate he fouls, would never finish a game if he had to play 36 minutes.

Even though JT is again the leader in fouls in the NBA, adjusted for 48 minutes he would be 143rd in the NBA, and Jon would be 27th. Brockman has an adjusted foul rate of 8.9 per 48minutes. Tyreke who has a fouls per game average of 3.0 and is 45th in fouls per game, has a 48 minute adjusted rate of 3.8, while JT’s is 5.3.

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by HighTops on Dec 29, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Brockman won't start

Because the Kings love what he brings off the bench. He could not handle starter’s minutes, he would foul out way too early. He’s averaging 6.7 Fouls per 36 minutes.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 29, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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by section214 on Dec 29, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what his role should be

a crunch time enforcer. I want him going in and beating guys up, kind of like he did last night. The Rise Guys were talking about how he handled Kenyon Martin last night… made me smile

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by vfettke on Dec 29, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Brockman has some hops

The more he plays, the more you realize how athletic he is. Quick jump, gets up pretty high.

by MichaelMack on Dec 29, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Especially on that block.

Yowza.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 29, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Westie glares at the other team and says:

What was that? Did I hear you say you wanted some “Brock?”

You want some Brockness? Are you sure?

You’re SURE you want some Brock!?!

Fuck it, you’re gettin’ the Brock.

No, no, no…I don’t wanna hear it. Too late.

John. You’re in.

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Dec 30, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

God that was priceless, thanks for the link

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by HighTops on Dec 30, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Love that Movie..Still never gets old to me..Even with keanu

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 30, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Jerry had a pretty good comment

He said a lot of Brockman’s fouls are in his zeal not to let the other guy get the ball in deep. As Jerry said, if Brockman’s not going to get it, he’s going to make sure his guy doesn’t, either.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a great comment

And I want Brockman to use those fouls. If he isn’t being a physical pest, what does he really bring besides the rebounding?

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by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He just needs to break some more opponents bone’s using the fouls..Nothing like hearing Kobe squeak after a good hard foul from Brockman!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

The Kings keep an extra stretcher handy in case Brockman fouls somebody.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Brockman doesn’t foul people, they are just magnetically drawn to his elbows

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 29, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Brockman doesn't jump

Everyone else just bounces off his magical forcefield.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Brockman > Eric Maynor

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Not if David Locke has anything to say about it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Brockman totally changed the Nuggets inside game.

He went in and through BirdMan’s head. As Pookey and I discussed during the game – when it wasn’t Brockman on his butt it was Nocioni. The guy spent today with his therapist.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 29, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Birdman's so off the beaten path that he probably spends every waking moment with his therapist.

Hopefully Brockness was the current reason.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 29, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Nocioni hangs out with Kobe?

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by The Czar on Dec 30, 2009 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Brockman doesn't get rebounds...

…the ball is just too afraid to go to anyone else!

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Dec 30, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

^"get" should be "go after"

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Dec 30, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to rec every one of your comments from now on

Just for your username. Mark DeRosa…are you freaking kidding me?

I bet Tim Lincecum is just counting down the days until he can jump to a team that can put together even a league average offense.

As to the content of your post, I couldn’t agree more. It’s painful to see Spencer getting his shot blocked over and over. Whatever mojo Coach Westphal has brought to the squad this season, it hasn’t rubbed off on Spencer to this point.

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by otis29 on Dec 29, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

I could go on and on about Sabean, but I’ll keep my content on here about the Kings.

Regarding Hawes, I want him to succeed so badly, but it’s painfully obvious that the Kings need a strong center who can rebound and be physical if they are to take it to the next proverbial level. Spence has his moments, but he is terribly inconsistent and just disappears. That game against the Nuggs wasn’t the first time that the team got a lot better and crisper on defense/rebounding when Hawes went to the bench.

His relative lack of athleticism in a league full of freak athletes is glaring.

by FireBrianSabean on Dec 30, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Brockman is very...

cool under pressure. At the game last night, not only did he play tough, but he has that ability to not get flustered by the physical contact in the post on defense and offense. And boy does he ever give better than he gets, and we have really lacked that.

by AoxomoxoA on Dec 29, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

Palindrome alert!

From the people who brought you Reggie Musselnatt.

by My Losing Season on Dec 29, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you meant

Palindrome alert! !trela emordnilaP

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 30, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas

"If you told him to head-butt the wall, he would do it." -- Paul Westphal re: Brockness Monster.

by PhutureKings on Dec 30, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Sit on a potato pan, Otis!

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by My Losing Season on Dec 30, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Another double-double for JT

Kings now 9-1 when JT gets a double-double, 5-15 when he doesn’t.

Eight of his 10 double-doubles have come at home, with seven wins in those games (the loss was to Atlanta). His two road double-doubles were at Utah and at Milwaukee, both wins.

JT has had two games where he had double-digit rebounds but didn’t score at least 10. We lost both.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

wonderful stats - rec'd

and brings up a great question. Who is the young season’s MVP thus far? Tyreke (if he isn’t traded) is the obvious choice, but JT gets consideration, I have heard some applaud Beno.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 29, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

MIP = Donté!

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 30, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed on MIP

It’s a tough choice on MVP. Beno & Tyreke would get serious consideration, with Martin out they both picked up the slack. Maybe co-MVP’s would be appropriate.

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by HighTops on Dec 30, 2009 1:47 AM PST up reply actions  

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