Kings Move Above .500 With 110-105 Win Over Pacers
by Tom Ziller on Dec 3, 2009 2:27 AM PST
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PrintTyreke Evans took T.J. Ford out of the game in the first quarter. Literally. Evans so abused Ford that Pacers coach Jim O'Brien had no choice but to pull his point guard eight minutes in. Ford only played 12 more minutes the rest of the game, finishing with zero points, one assist and two turnovers.
That might have been the difference in the game -- getting a goose egg from a vital offensive weapon who happens to be undersized against normal point guards (never mind a creature like 'Reke) and as such gives up 16 first-quarter points ... that's pretty huge. And it happened only because of Evans's tools, and his willingness to use them. That first Ford stint was an 8-minute match-up problem. That's why you draft players like Evans.
Elsewhere on the court, Spencer Hawes out-Murphyed Troy Murphy, hitting three threes (Murphy had one) and generally doing what he pleased on the court. He and Jason Thompson (who was also effective on offense), however, got murdered on the boards, giving up an outrageous 22 offensive rebounds for Indiana. The Pacers took 43 percent of all offensive rebound opportunities, which is way way too many.
But thanks to the humming offense (and awful Pacers defense), the Kings pulled it out.
More on this game Thursday morning.
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That's an awsome picture
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Very nice win
I just noticed that Tyreke is shooting 80% on his FTs now. Very nice improvement after the early season struggles.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
He's been shooting like 90+ % since those struggles
Its the reason I think he’s going to end up being a very dangerous shooter eventually. Honestly, his shot doesn’t look too bad at all, and the best part is he’s a rookie.
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Tyreke pulled up
and hit a nice 15 foot jumper – first one I remember.
He makes that a consistant weapon and … (I drool)
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
I saw that
It was Beno like.
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Yes!
We were just talking about how it would be great if he could hit Beno-like 15 footers… Seems like we aren’t the only ones looking at how this team has been scouted.
Both JT and Evans were hitting A LOT of shots from @15 feet out. I didn’t even know JT was such as dead on shooter from out there. And Tyrekes shot looked great. Too bad he didn’t hit more of those later.
I think its great
If he steals learns some things from Beno and Sergio’s games.
That how you become complete.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Add a Tony Parker teardrop
and he can be unstopabble
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A teardrop seems like a natural for him
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by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
I love that after the big plays by Donte, he tried to do the "mean face",
and he couldn’t! He just got a goofy grin on his face… That’s just awesome!
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
TYREKE!
yeah, that’s why I would rather have Tyreke over Brandon Jennings. Jennings is awesome too, but Tyreke has even better defense, so he can kill teams (and opposing point guards like TJ Ford) both ways.
And I’m pleasantly surprised at how humble he is in his interviews, considering how dominant he can be.
Holy Gawd!
put me in, Coach
too far man, too far
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Dec 3, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I see how you can't help but to think like that, considering your username.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
Anybody else notice
That Tyreke was not just getting doubled. He was getting tripled. They had defenders collapsing on him and he still made buckets. Pretty damned amazing and nice to see him starting to pass out and over to open players.
Nice win because I had no idea of just how good Granger is and how well the Pacers can play. They really brought it.
When Reke drove into the lane
Got surrounded by 3 yellow uniforms and somehow swung the ball to JT in the paint for an easy dunk, I actually thought Tyreke Evans > Eric Maynor. Blasphemous, I know, but we’ve got a special guy on our hands.
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Oh yeah and Danny "Batman" Granger is awesome
He’s probably my favorite player not on the Kings.
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Maynor > Granger
Word is that the Knicks are sparing money on their salary cap because they want to take Maynor in 2013/2014
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
Granger is a stud and an All-Star
but Maynor? They started the HOF bust last week.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
And LeBron will ask for Maynor's number to be retired
in all professional sports, including soccer, lacrosse and horse racing.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
by elfboy_ on Dec 3, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Reminded me of Durant a bit
With his ability to get shots off, particularly threes. Got to make those crunch time free throws, though.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 3, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Better all-around player right now
and he’s a Star , but Durant has chance to be a Superstar.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Pacers have everything but a good PG.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
I shudder when I think
I wanted TJ Ford a few years ago. But those injuries stopped his aggressiveness I think.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
Nice
To see that they had to take their PG out because there was no way in hell he could match up with Tyreke. Ford got a big goose egg, 0 points, in ten minutes. For a guy that averages 10 points a game. Got to love that defense!
Omri Casspi
is 8th in the league in rookie minutes (Evans is #1).
It’s a brave new world. Thank you, Paul Westphal.
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by section214 on Dec 3, 2009 7:56 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Omri Casspi and Tyreke Evans
Are also 1 and 2 respectively in FG% among rookies (Omri at 52.5% and Tyreke at 44.9%)
Tyreke Evans is first in Efficiency among rookies. Casspi is 7th.
Casspi is 3rd in 3P% with a ridiculous 47.2%
Evans is 2nd in Points/Rebounds/Assists, and Casspi is 7th.
Evans is 2nd in steals/game and Casspi is 10th.
Jon Brockman averages 17.2 rebounds per 40 minutes.
What a great draft night.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 3, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OMRI
yeah, can’t forget about Casspi! even if he was our only draft pick this year, I’d say we had a great draft!
love the Brockman too. can he be “The Animal” part 2?
put me in, Coach
He's not an animal
He’s a monster from Brock Ness that eats Mancakes.
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Also
’Reke and Casspi are tied among rookies for badassness.
Jon Brockman is 1st in badassness among the entire history of the universe.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 3, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Hansbrough found that out
You don’t mess with the Brockness or you might lose more than a contact lens!
Funny
Did you see when TH was going up on that fast break he opted for protecting himself rather than finishing?
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
I missed that
But did notice he was a bit shy about banging with our boy Mancakes after losing his contact. You got to give it to Brockman. He definitely has a presence beyond his height.
He got the foul
But he could’ve gotten the bucket +1 if he hadn’t used his left arm to protect himself.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Oh that
Yes, I saw that. It is true. He was scared of the contact.
Brockman is one of those guys you don’t want to get in a fist fight with. They love it. You hit them as hard as you can and they just grin and come back for more.
You couldn't possibly be saying...
he’s more bad-ass than Chuck Norris?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I'm a limousine-riding, jet-flying, kiss-stealing, wheeling-dealing son of a gun!!! Wooooo!!!
by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 3, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
No One is
except Eric Maynor
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
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Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Don't take my word for it, ask Chuck Norris
He’ll tell you. Even Mr. Norris develops a temporary vagina when in the presence of Mancakes.
"Sometimes the capriciousness of youth anesthetizes common sense." -Let Geoff's words guide our patience this season.
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 3, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Chuck Norris IS Mancakes' baby
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by pookeyguru on Dec 3, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Omri is also top ten amongst all Forwards in the league in FG%
And most of those Fs are PFs. Crazy.
I'm very proud of our JEWDI-Knight...
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
by JETisKing on Dec 3, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
The game was closer than it should have been
Poor rebounding by the Kings is the only reason the Pacers were even in the game. Seems Tyreke got that rookie of the month thing in his head and took it upon himself to go one on whatever every time he got the ball. The rest of the team just stood around watching. Not a good game. If the Kings continue to play like that they won’t even have a shot at post season especially since it’s once again looking like they will need almost 600 in the west.
Rebounding was definitely the weakness of this game
And I think it was a matter of the Kings bigs underestimating Foster and Murphy.
I didn’t see as much problem with Tyreke as you did. It seemed to me he passed the ball out of trouble a lot better than he has been doing.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 3, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
6 assists=only playing 1 on 1?
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Dec 3, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
And he could have had more
But JT and Spence had some shots rim in and out.
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Definitely
Nice to see Tyreke passing out of the triple teams. AND when we he took it to the rim he generally scored pretty well.
I don’t see him making as many bad decision as much as I notice his improvement, but then I am a glass is half full kind of guy and, no, that isn’t purple Kool-Aid.
He's a ROOKIE
who just finished his 16th game in the league at the league’s most difficult position.
Of Course he’s still working on his decision making.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
But hes not a Point guard, so he hasn’t been playing the most difficult position
Judgment day is coming!
No, the most difficult position
is the opposing PG when they play Tyreke.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
I totally agree
Our whole team underestimated the Pacers rebounding. Foster and Murphy are a very good rebounding tandem.
Or, just not being as good as them
Murphy, Foster & Hibbert are 6’11", 6’11", & 7’2" tall.
Brockman, JT, & Spencer are 6’7", 6’11" & 7’1" tall.
IND’s 3 bigs accounted for 15 of their 22 Offesive Rebounds
Sac’s 3 bigs accounted for 9 of our 10 offesive Rebounds.
So, Yes, the bigs got out rebounded on the offensive glass by a bigger squad by 6. But, the rest of the team got out rebounded on the offensive glass 6 to 1. But, we did win the defensive rebound battle.
Considering how many shots JT and Spencer took 15+ feet from the basket, I’m not surprised that they didn’t out rebound IND’s bigs. But, sometime to gain an advantage somewhere, you need to give up an advantage somewhere else. JT & Spencer outscored IND’s big three, 43 to 26. I think that is an exceptable exchange.
Also, there were a lot of long rebounds going to IND off their 15 missed 3pt shots. Our wings and guards could have done a better job chasing down some of those.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
really? The Kings might not make the post-season this year?
Stop the presses!!!
And, I hate to break it to you, but Tyreke going 1 on 1 is something we should all hope to see for…oh…the next 12 years or so.
Does he have work to do? of course.
Is he getting better? clearly.
Is he on the road to being a star? Gulp, hate to put the pressure on the kid, but based on everything we’ve seen so far (yes only 17 games), you have to say, yes.
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Tyreke Evans
could be the best thing that has ever happened to the Sacramento Kings. And that’s saying something.
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If you had to type him..
He would be a cross between Wade and LaBron in terms of the type of player. Nice!
A little Ron-Ron mixed in (defense and physicallity)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
True on D
I have so completely enjoyed watching Tyreke stuff people. I think the one on Deron Williams was my favorite. To see elite players go up to shoot and find his hand miraculously directly over the ball is basketball nirvana.
I wholeheartedly agree, Aykis.
Stats or no stats, you can just “see” it. Glad I’m a witness. Heh. :P
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
He's already a star
Is he on the road to being a star? Gulp, hate to put the pressure on the kid, but based on everything we’ve seen so far (yes only 17 games), you have to say, yes.
If I was drawing up a list of 10 MVP candidates based on play year to date, Tyreke would be on that list. He’s the main reason by far we are 9-8.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 3, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
no
lets back off the kid some. He’s not in that league yet, though I know what you’re getting at as far as win shares or other stats.
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
We need go easy on these kids with all these expectations. Just let them play and enjoy the ride. Setting too high of expectations will only lead to dissapointment later. We have something good going, let’s just enjoy what we have and let’s keep learning and building from it.
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Reminds me of a Mad TV skit. Lowered Expectations
Remember we are only going to win a little over 20 games this year and our kids are going to barely be out of diapers so let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves.
Believe it or not this is Shaq. in drag…
Yes, did I forget to caution
Watch at your own risk. Shaq was with the L@kers when he made this, but that still doesn’t excuse its freakishness… Truly disturbing.
Coolcat, I co-sign with that.
Average players don’t put up his numbers. You’re not jinxing him by saying he’s going to be a star. You’re simply just being a perceptive fan.
Tyreke has been consistent for 16 games, give or take away the first 3 games, and is only improving. Every game, ‘Reke has shown something new in his arsenal to counter the sagging opposing defense. ’Reke’s not even in his prime and he’s already scary. It’s safe to say, Sacramento’s future is in good hands. Let’s wish ’Reke and the rest of our rookies good health and prosperity for the rest of their careers.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Its premature
to skip right past ROY and 1st time All-Star to MVP
come on
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Saying he's going to be a star...
is not etching his life goals and expectations in stone.
Not sure why you guys are taking it as such but okay.
It’s not like we’re asking for collection money to build his own wing in the Hall of Fame…not yet anyways. :P However, Eric Maynor’s wing is already being planned next to Jordan’s. Yay internetz.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Because I thought this
If I was drawing up a list of 10 MVP candidates based on play year to date, Tyreke would be on that list.
was over the top by a fair margin.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
No doubt, lie, and I agree with that.
Originally, I was co-signing the “star” statement.
Coolcat, I co-sign with that. Average players don’t put up his numbers. You’re not jinxing him by saying he’s going to be a star.
Glad we worked this out, lie. However, if for some miraculous reason the Kings go on some winning tear, play .600 ball and contend for a middle playoff spot (let’s say 6th to 4th), I would definitely put ’Reke’s name on a list of 10 MVP candidates.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
OK - if that happens
and I think we need to temper our expectations some -
:)
I’ll be in front of the line
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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe over the top
But accurate. Name 10 more valuable players in the NBA, year to date.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 3, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Unagruable
I tried (lord knows I love arguing with you) and I couldn’t put TE below 9th. He is, unarguably, in the top 10 for MVP so far this year.
Until you asked the question, I would have never guessed. Dayumm.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Dec 3, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
The entire team...
started playing 1-on-1 ball in the third and parts of the fourth.
LOLerskates
26 points on 14 shots. 5 rebounds, 6 assists. And tremendous defense on Ford.
Yes, he clearly has the rookie of the month thing in his head.
P.S. You may want to look at this year as a building experience for the young talent, and push those playoff ideas out of your head. If they find a way to start winning on the road, I’ll change my tune in that regard.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
by otis29 on Dec 3, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100% with your last sentence
I like what coach Westphal said in the post game press conference. Something along the lines of “if we are still over .500 this time next week I may just smoke a cigar.” Some may have high expectations but I’m glad the team is being realistic.
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wtf
A couple of notes. The rebounding was not as bad as you think, there were at least 8 offensive rebounds thatthe pacers got because the shots were so hoorible, the kings were in position for normal misses. As far as turnovers, you can give pw a few due to his constant lineup changes. With that said the benefits of the changes outweigh the turnovers
by want2win on Dec 3, 2009 12:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
In defense of the Kings rebounding
Many of those offensive rebounds were bricks off the rim that rebounded long, to the free throw line or beyond.
Brockman only played 7 minutes
and K-9 didn’t play at all. Those are our two best rebounders, so it’s not a surprise we got outboarded. But the matchups weren’t great for either, and JT and Spencer were contributing in so many other ways you just couldn’t take them out.
They put Brockman on Hansbrough, and I think Hansbrough outplayed him. It would been interesting to see Brockman on Foster, a slower guy he could box out.
Donte also needs to do some rebounding as well as improve his decisionmaking if he wants to see significant action.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 3, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Donte's good play is in fits and starts for sure
It comes and goes. But thats an improvement.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
If Donte can learn to rebound
He is gonna be one more weapon for us. That will open up his game, because even if he isn’t scoring he will be contributing. And he will be able to matchup at the 4 and 3 better.
I look forward to the time when Greene becomes consistent, because he and Tyreke together are such versatile players, more so than any other players on this team. Casspi is a 3, Kevin is a 2, JT is a 4, Hawes is a 5. But Evans and Greene, they can do so many different things. If Greene focuses on his all around game, his defense, rebounding, and passing, he can become a leader on this team. And that is an amazing thing to think about considering what so many were saying about him over the summer.
Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut
by Ice_9ine on Dec 3, 2009 9:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm...
Casspi can play 2 and is versatile defensively… He can defend more players than just 3s as he is pretty quick and long.
I agree with most of what you post about Kevin. He is clearly a 2.
I think that JT and Hawes are a bit more versatile depending on the matchups. They tend to switch from 4 to 5 sometimes… Then again I may be thinking more of JT who can and has played both. With Spence shooting from outside he seems almost like a 3 in a 5 body at times, but is clearly a 5…
Then there is Noc who can play 3-4. Beno at 1-2. And when Garcia comes back we got a guy who is really versatile.
The Kings can match up really well against most teams and create serious mismatches. This seems to be PW’s specialty and I am really liking it more and more.
by MustangMBS on Dec 3, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A 6'10" guy who
learns to rebound isn’t versatility – its necessity. But he’s made progress, give him another 20games and we’ll talk again.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Donte can't rebound if he's playing perimeter guys
Sorry.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
long shots equal long rebounds
he hasn’t demonstarted a ‘nose for the ball’ yet.
But I’m very encouraged despite down games like last night.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Being 6'10 doesn't automatically mean you should average 10 boards a night
That’s a stupid stereotype.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I have to agree with Pookey
Donte is starting at the 2. IND missed 15 3pt shots, but how many rebounded long I won’t guess. The point is that no matter how athletic Donte is, he isn’t as quick as Guards. And, to expect him to get to long rebounds more often then guards is unfair.
When he’s guarding SF’s & PF’s, I’ll hold him accountable for more rebounds.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Word.
The only thing I ask of him at the 2 and 3 is to hit his shots, catch perfect passes thrown to him and play defense. He forced a few passes last night that turned into turnovers. I think he’s a little too thin to play traditional 4’s, like Boozer and Garnett, one on one. He’s quick enough to be effective in a help capacity in the paint. His 6 block game was mostly done on help defense and not one on one situations.
As I say with ‘Reke – he’s only getting better. Donte’s careless mistakes are the only reason he isn’t getting playing time. Once The Show becomes consistent, he’ll be an automatic mismatch problem for any team.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Tyreke and Casspi easily
out rebound him per.
You’re making excuses, fine. I said I was encouraged by his progress and to look at it again in 20 games.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
And Casspi was also on the floor when a lot of long rebounds were being missed last night
Donte was not. It’s not a big criticism in my mind because he isn’t as close to the basket as Casspi is (usually).
Donte’s rebounding, if he played 3 consistently, which he doesn’t right now, would concern me. But because he is far more on the perimeter than Casspi is, it’s not as big of a problem IMO.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Udoka got 5 in 18 minutes
playing Granger outside
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying Donte doesn't rebound enough
I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal when he’s playing the 2. Plus, it’s not like he isn’t doing other things well out there either.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
He made two great plays
and had four turnovers and a bunch of zeros in 13 minutes.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 3, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Those 2 great plays
Greatly outweighed his lesser stats
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Dec 3, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
If you say so
Westphal weighed in in mixed fashion, limiting him to 13 minutes but giving that key crunch time opportunity.
Hopefully he can become more consistent and we’ll see more of him on the floor.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 4, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Granger missed 5 shots from 3pt range & 9 from inside 3pt
Ford, Rush & Jones missed 10 total shots and only 3 from 3pt range. So, who had a better chance of getting an outside rebound. Someone covering Granger of someone covering a guard. Your confusing opportunity with ability.
Yes, Donte was the only Kings player to not get a rebound. But, he was also the only player who was playing outside his natural position. Granted, he is averaging less than 2 rebounds per game. But, considering the huge amount of changes he is making to his game, I’m willing to wait until he see consistent minutes at the SF & PF before I criticise his rebounding.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
uh
I’m willing to wait until he see consistent minutes at the SF & PF before I criticise his rebounding.
Isn’t that what I said?
But he’s made progress, give him another 20games and we’ll talk again.
Or are you just bored?
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
If you talking about the season, and not the last game
Then I apologize.
But, your comments about Udoka & Granger, plus
long shots equal long rebounds he hasn’t demonstarted a ‘nose for the ball’ yet
made it look like you were commenting on his play during the IND game. And, that’s were we disagree. Besides I doubt that Donte plays the 2 for the next 20 games.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
I thought I was pretty clear
he hasn’t demonstarted a ‘nose for the ball’ yet. But I’m very encouraged despite down games like last night.
and he is 6’10". I don’t want (or expect) to be talking about him next year as a 6’10" guy who doesn’t rebound so its something he needs to work on.
I think its a fair observation.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I'm curious as to say why this is such a big deal
Every team has a guy who shouldn’t rebound as much as fans think they should. I have a feeling Donte will end up being that guy. Then again, Donte does things NOONE else can do on this roster, and that’s just as important.
Not being a prolific rebounder is only problematic without other rebounders on the roster. The Kings have plenty of rebounders on the roster now. That’s something that is far less of a concern to me right now. I’m not making an excuse for Donte; I’m just saying that Donte doesn’t always get credit for things statistically that other players get by grabbing the rebound, but are just as important to the Kings winning the game.
I personally don’t care how much Donte is not rebounding given the circumstances of this team.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
prolific?
I’m aiming for adequate. Strange that we’re back to not being able to make even a qualified criticism.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
What's adequate in this context?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
If I remember right,
Peja didn’t rebound adequately enough at his position (esp. defensively), and he is as tall as Donte.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
Interesting
Peja career 5.1 rebounds per 36 mins
Donté career 4.1 rebounds per 36 mins (3.7 this season)
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 3, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Peja also shoots the lights out from 3pt range
Donte’s learning.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
Peja also is better at rebounding career than Ron Artest was
Funny how fans tend to forget that stuff.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
So, he's down from wretched last year
and thats OK?
whatever
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
It's okay because it's a start
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I'm curious as why you're so heavily focused on Donte's rebounding
Why is that so important? (And you can’t cop out and say it’s because he’s 6’10. If that was the case, Dennis Rodman would have never led the league in rebounding.0
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
This is what still don't understand
You wanted baby steps all summer and now he’s shown more than really anyone thought he would… but that’s still not enough. We still want more?
While I understand your point why can’t we just be happy with him exceding all of our expectations?
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
Saying he needs to work on it
is not being unreasonable IMO.
I said about 5 times that he’s making progress – sheesh
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Why is it so important
You never answered that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You do making it sound like it's a sin
he doesn’t rebound more.
And of course he needs to work on it. Just like he needs to keep working hard on his decision making.
Just like Omri needs to work on his FT shooting and staying calm on the court. And just like Reke needs to work on his shot and initiating the offense a little faster. And just like JT needs to work at finishing better around the rim. And just like…
You get my point. If we were a finish product and had nothing to work on we owuld be a sure playoff team.
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
Hell
They would be the first perfect basketball team in the history of the universe.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I've been meaning to write something about
Fans’ obssession with perfection and all round games but I’m not smart enough to do that. Maybe someone else will.
My premise is simple, we don’t need every player to be able to do everything on the court. We’ll have a couple all around players and others that will be very good at only certain things.
Maybe I’ll come up with something. We’ll see
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
It's an interesting question without simple answers
That’s what I know.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Indeed
And to clarify, lttg please don’t think I’m bringing up the whole “obssession with perfection” because of your post. I understand we’re you’re coming from and this is just an idea I’ve had for a while. Just wanted to make sure you didn’t think this was geared towards you.
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Greene Energy!
Donte has the tools and potential of becoming someone like Granger or hopefully Melo. He just has to be more productive and consistent. We are all starting to see improvements now with his decision making and his productivity. After watching that Knicks game, I hope he could bring it like that everynight, and if he does, our KINGS are going to be a very dangerous team.
CP3. Nash, Rondo, Billups, D Williams
Thats a hard group to crack as rookies. No way right now. I suppose Jennings has a small chance in the East as four of those guys are from the West.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I'm all for it as long as Deron Williams gets into the All Star game as well.
It’s a crime that D-Will isn’t an all star yet. But CP3 and J-Kidd deserve all their accolades so I can’t complain at all.
The future of the NBA looks incredibly bright with Granger, B-Roy, Reke, Brandon Jennings, Blake Griffin and Eric Maynor.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Maynor's so good
He will suit up for both East & West at ASG. He’ll play on the West team for the first half, and the East team for the second.
And he’ll play one on one by himself for OT.
There's nothing to fear but everything.
by elfboy_ on Dec 4, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What about Donte stealing the inbound pass late in the game?
I never really comment on this blog, I just read it. But I had to bring this up, I’m shocked nobody has said anything about this. That was an awesome play!
Its what prevented
a lot of negative comments on his play today. That saved the game for him, otherwise he wasn’t very good.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I would agree
Almost 14 minutes, only 2 points, and 4 turnovers… Lucky he isn’t getting a lot more flack. That move and save definitely helped. That and the amazing ally oop.
Not to mention Sergio's super android pin point accuracy on that oop pass.
El Magico-Spanish Chocolate never ceases to entertain me.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Seriously
I was watching going oh crap what is he doing cause Donte’ was just barely moving. Got to say that is an amazing skill…
Every time PW is interviewed he says how much all of the players love to have Sergio passing the ball. No wonder with passes like that.
Watching the highlight reels people talk about Donte’s oop and didn’t even mention Sergio. Just like I did.
Word.
The Kings seem to pull away when Sergio’s in. I’m sure Cool Hand Westphal is taking note of that.
I’ll be in awe if Coach W manages to make this all work when Kev and Cisco get back. I’m already in awe now.
33 Wins. Yeah, I said it.
Earl Watson also scored a lot on him
there are pluses and minus’
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
I mentioned it...
I’m making a sad face.
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Dec 3, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
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