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Falling Into a Shoot-Out, Kings Lose 116-106 to Sixers

I harp on it incessantly, but basically every loss can be explained the same: it's the defense. Philadelphia is bad offensive team, yet the Kings allowed the Sixers to score 116 points in 98 possessions. That's an insanely high amount. Obviously, the Kings lose something on defense when Tyreke Evans sits. His counterpart, Beno Udrih, had trouble guarding Louis Williams (22 points on 15 FGAs, four assists, zero turnovers). But that wasn't the start and end of the defensive trouble, with every Philadelphia major rotation player but Thaddeus Young scoring efficiently.

The Sixers shot 52 percent and better than 56 percent from three. This is one of the worst shooting teams in the league! That's as big an indictment of Sacramento's defense as we've seen. It's a continued problem for the Kings: the defense doesn't get out on shooters. If the Kings could limit opponent effectiveness from deep just a little better, losses like that wouldn't happen.

Sacramento's offense underperformed considering the competition, and Udrih's 3-11, 2-assist, 3-turnover night didn't help. His short pull-up, supposedly automatic, wouldn't fall: he hit his only lay-up (a classic lefty drive down the middle), and two of his four threes, but went 0-6 from 10 to 23 feet. It was a similar story for the team as a whole, with the Kings shooting 20-26 at the rim, a decent 6-17 from deep, and just 16-43 in between. What's the solution for that? Decrease the number of shots in between. Attack the soft defense of Philadelphia, and work to set up your shooters on the wings. Omri Casspi was absolutely on, and with Evans and Kevin Martin out, there's no reason Casspi can't be the team's leading shot taker. (Donte Greene, who didn't shoot well from any distance but had a bit of brilliance around the rim, took 16 FGAs, two more than Casspi and Jason Thompson.)

Star-divide

But again, the Kings scored well enough to beat a team as underwhelming as Philadelphia, especially in Sacramento. At this point, I'm not sure a defensive-minded, rebounding big man would "fix" the Kings defense. Sacramento has the league's second-worst rim defense, sure. But that doesn't solve the problems on the perimeter, where the Kings are among the league's worst at defending long twos and threes. It almost seems philosophical. The problem is that when you run out on shooters more frequently, you take valuable rebounders away from the rim. So maybe that big man would help, after all. I don't know. Sometimes I'm glad I don't get paid to figure this stuff out.

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Kings would've won if Chapu would've gotten more playing time!

Fire Westphal!

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by chapuforyou on Dec 31, 2009 8:23 AM PST reply actions  

Hahaha.

Maybe, my friend. But also, maybe not.

Noce played ok. 8pts on 3-8 shooting, 1 3pointer, 1-2 FT….He was just okay.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Dec 31, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

A defensive big man might be a big help

that way other defenders can stay out of the paint knowing he’s go control inside. There’s too many times when Kings’ defenders are crowded in the paint and the pass goes out for a wide open jump shot with one of our guys sprinting full force to get there.

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by vfettke on Dec 31, 2009 8:27 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Spencer may just not be a starting NBA center. He’s below average in essentially every area. He’s not a good defender, shotblocker or scorer. He’s a terrible rebounder and his shot selection is poor. Hawes does have skills around the basket (which he rarely uses) and is a good passer. But at the end of the day, Hawes looks like he’s going to fall somewhere between Raef Lafrentz and Brad Miller in terms of his skills. The Kings need someone in the middle who can defend, protect the rim and rebound as primary skills with offense as a secondary skill.

by Carl on Dec 31, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Brad Miller was a 6-8 year starting caliber C

If the Kings got that with Spence, and you told me that in 2007 drafting with the 10th pick, I would have been thrilled Carl.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Word

That thread the needle pass on the fastbreak; in the first half; was very Brad/Vlade/C-webbwish. If Hawes can get more consistant with his jumper the Kings could use him in the high post more often. He seems to have a good knack at hitting cutters from that spot. I still wanna see the Kings use that high post a little more, to get guys moving, when the offense gets to one on one.

Spence will never be a shutdown interior defender, but neither were Vlade or Brad. He does however have the skill set to be an effective point center. The kid would still only be in his Junior year of college, and is under his third (really first I should say) offensive system in the NBA, so I’m not so quick to say he isn’t a starting center just yet. A defensive beast he is not; an offensive magician, he has the tools to become.

by Gilo424 on Dec 31, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually this would be Spence's senior yr in college

But good point nonetheless.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I was never good at math

Happy New Year StR by the way……in forty minutes.

by Gilo424 on Dec 31, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Or 6 1/2 hrs later in my case

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 1, 2010 6:31 AM PST up reply actions  

definitely true Spencer may not end up being good enough

but I don’t think the front office is looking for the same things out of a center as you are. I doubt when they picked Spencer they thought: “here’s a guy who’s best attributes will be defense, protecting the rim and rebounding.”

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Dec 31, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

hopefully his contract

Doesn’t fall somewhere between Miller and Lafrentz

Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."

by Ellimist on Dec 31, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

OK, I won't argue, been there done that

So, what’s the reason, for the other 21 minutes when he wasn’t in the game?

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the foundation of the problem

is the interior D. We don’t have any kind of stopper/eraser inside. This means more guys are forced to help, which of course leaves us vulnerable to draw and kick.

Perhaps the problem is apparent, but what is the solution? Seeing as how that stud rebounder/shot blocker isn’t arriving anytime soon we have to use what we have. So what do we do? We attempt to improve the things we have a measure of control over.

1) better transition D/limiting other team’s fast break points
2) better team defensive rebounding (everybody, not just the bigs)
3) better execution of defensive schematics (why are we still often befuddled when it comes to defending the pick and roll?)

I know these things have all been discussed around here (and one would assume by the king’s coaching staff), but I keep seeing the same issues over and over again.

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Dec 31, 2009 8:31 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Interior Defense seems to be the easy target.

We average 1.1 fewer blocks that our opponents, and out rebound them. Spencer is our 2nd leading rebounder behind JT, but he gets 8 fewer minutes. So, he’s an easy target. The lose against the 76ers had absolutelly nothing to do with interior defense.

They blocked 6 shots and so did we. We scored 58 points in the paint and they scored 44. They scored 9 or 16 from 3pt range for 56%, but have a season average of 34% from 3’s. And, Philly beat us on the fast break points 19-6.

We gave up 13pt more points on fast breaks, and 9pts more from 3 to a poor 3 shooting team. That’s 22 pts, and we lost by 10. So, certainly lets point to the interior defense.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How dare you bring facts to this argument.REPORTED

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 31, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

And the sky is blue

Yes, there will be random games when a team that shoots poorly from the perimeter shoots well. What I laid out in my post are general, consistent problems I’ve seen all year- stemming from interior defense and intertwined with my three other points.

Maybe we’re out rebounding teams by volume, but that’s misleading. Our DRR is 4th worst in the league. Our TRR is middle of the pack and would be worse if not for a very good ORR. Hawes is an easy target and there’s a reason for that. As for fast break points, I already spoke to that.

So, right- a poor perimeter shooting team had a great night and we lost mostly due to that. So if your point was that we lost to Philly for different reasons than usual, I’ll agree. Doesn’t change the fact that the more consistent and pressing defensive problems are what I outlined above.

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Dec 31, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, your posting in the Post Game thread,

So, forgive me for thinking that your talking about this game.

Also, confusing are these two comments in your post

We don’t have any kind of stopper/eraser inside. This means more guys are forced to help, which of course leaves us vulnerable to draw and kick.

followed by your solution

We attempt to improve the things we have a measure of control over.

1) better transition D/limiting other team’s fast break points
2) better team defensive rebounding (everybody, not just the bigs)

It seems like your confused, suggesting that the answer to the problem you pointed out, is to implement the problem you pointed out. Doesn’t everyone leaving their man to help rebound leave us vulnerable to fast breaks and kick outs?

Getting back to a stopper/eraser inside, how well did the other bigs do in the 21 minutes that Spencer was on the bench. Thomas and Brockman have a lot of stops or alter any shots? JT plays a lot of center when Spencer sits. How was his man defense on Brand & Speights? He’s got to be the answer, since he averages .03 more blks per game than Hawes in only 300 more minutes of playing time, almost 10 more mpg.

Yes, our best center isn’t one of the top stoppers and shot blockers in the league at the age of 21. Spencer is 40th, in shot blocking adjusted for 48mpg, and 23rd among centers. But, he’s better than J O’Neal, Ben Wallace, Al Jefferson, Okur, D. Lee. And, only slightly worse than Chris Kaman, Marc Gasol and Bargnani.

There’s no one we can get to help at this time, and there’s nothing any of us can suggest to improve JT or Spencer at this point in time. Time and experience and a good draft are the only way we get better inside.

The only thing that will help us right now,is if the team learns PW’s defense scheme. And, that includes helping the helper. When the bigs have to leave their man, to help on penetration in the paint, someone has to switch and help on the helpers man. And, no one seems to know how to do that, at this point in time.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This
There’s no one we can get to help at this time, and there’s nothing any of us can suggest to improve JT or Spencer at this point in time. Time and experience and a good draft are the only way we get better inside

Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...

by edm7 on Dec 31, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You're forgiven

When you’re going for a defensive rebound, the other team is already on offense so I really don’t think a fast break is an issue. There’s plenty of long rebounds to be had over the course of a game, so if a guard is active and alert, they might be able to snag a couple here and there without disregarding the position of who they are guarding. I don’t expect them to crash the boards like big men. I can’t speak for you, but the majority of the kick outs I see come off of guard penetration, not offensive rebounds, so guards helping out to corral a few extra defensive rebounds here and there shouldn’t be a big deal. And as I stated above, I don’t expect the guards to go for boards with wanton disregard for the guy they’re guarding. A few long rebounds here and there could make a difference over the course of a game though.

As for Hawes, I understand all the caveats that come when his game is spoken of. I don’t expect him to be Hakeem out there, but games where he grabs 2 boards in like 15-20 minutes are beneath his skill set, caveats and all. I want the guy to do well and succeed. As of right now today (and where he is right now today) I don’t think he is consistently playing up to his skill set. With no snark intended, do you think he consistently plays up to where he is right now, caveats and all?

I totally agree with your last paragraph and said as much in my original post (#3).

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Dec 31, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Hawes

I agree with you he doesn’t always play up to his skill set, even including caveats. I also think he has moments of getting caught in the game, not playing hard enough or the game is still happening too fast for him.

But too many people crucify him for not filling up a box score, yes even getting only 2 rebounds in 20 minutes, when he’s usually asked to do a pile of things that don’t get into a boxscore. Like, defending the best opposing big guy and being the #1 helper on defense. The guy doing those things is not going to get a lot of defensive rebounds.

I agree Hawes deserves criticism pretty regularly, but the vehemance of the complaining and the things people complain about are ridiculous and way overboard at times; that’s what bugs me.

Its tough though, because Spencer makes it tough to defend him sometimes, and I don’t want to make excuses for the guy. I probably balance to defending him a little too often though, because I can (barely) remember being 21, and being a hell of a lot different, even playing basketball, when I was 26.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 1, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

+1 Well Said 4-3

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 1, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I think part of the problem

Is Spencer had a pretty high skill set coming out of college. He seemed to have 3 point range and a decent set of post moves for someone so young. Those skills don’t seem to have translated so far, and may have even regressed a bit from his early work.

Also, I’d guess the reason he’s taking so much heat is due to the team’s leap in performance this season, while Spencer’s improvement seems to be static.

He has certainly compensated in other areas of the game, some of which aren’t as visually obvious to the casual fan. He does remind me a bit of Brad Miller, who could sport so-so numbers but provide things that no other King could at the time – namely make smart passes and set proper screens.

I’m one of those whose been dumping on Spencer a bit more of late, and as you point out, that’s probably unfair considering his age. The guy is still filled with potential, I think I’d just like to see a bit more of a consistent effort on the floor.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 1, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Is this just the rookie wall 2 years later?

I agree i dump on Spence a lot but the thing is he really hasn’t had the best of mentors to show him, and i think maybe the we can get a Vlade in to show him some moves and help mentor him a bit since he’s already on the payroll

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 1, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Hard to tell

When I see Spence play, specifically on offense – there seems to be a confusion on the court as to his role. He just hasn’t looked comfortable outside of a handful of games.

It could very well be that his style on offense isn’t a good fit in Westphal’s system, or he’s just so dependent on stretching the defense that his game will take off once the outside shots fall.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Jan 1, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

especially on offense, Spencer a lot of times seems to be doing things that don’t play to his strengths, and honestly I don’t think his shooting is a major strength right now.

On offense, he’s good setting screens and making quick decisions with ball in the high post; he’s also not a total embarrassment in the low post, but there’s room for improvement. We don’t seem to use him a ton though at times.

I think the more times the ball moves in a possession, the better Spencer is generally, and we don’t always run sets with a lot of passing. Where Spencer is really good, is moving the ball along, probably one of the best centers in the NBA at it. He’ll get the ball, make a read, and make a pass, and he does that really well and quickly. We just need more of it from everyone.

Free Omri...trade.Noc.

by ForThree on Jan 1, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

True

Big men take longer to develop in this league. Most don’t seem to hit their stride until the age of 24-27.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 1, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes yes.

Must be certain to special care of the 7 foot children.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Jan 1, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I agee

Hawes has been a lightning rod for criticism, some of it unfair. As otis said a couple of slots down, I’d just like to see more consistency in effort because he is a very capable, skilled player.

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Jan 1, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I guews that would be

a couple of spots up for the Otis comment!

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Jan 1, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

guess

I’m dying here!

We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

by outrider on Jan 1, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The plan on defense was

by my view, to take away the penetration of those little guards and not allow Iggy to go off.

They more or less did that – but left everything else available.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

agree with lttg - the improvement on the defensive end is better man 2 man by Tyreke

and in my opinion, that is what was missing from the defense last night. Controlling the point guard/offense initiator and his first option will make penetration, second chance opportunities and the like much more limited.

A larege part of the problem was that Philly was making their shots and that includes the more difficult attempts coupled with a cold Sac offense with little options. The team has been so reliant on WarBeno (that was for you lttg) that when he has an off night (the guy has been Mr. Consistency but was human last night for the first time in a long time) few choices remain, maybe Westie could don a uni. Omri was a bright light but really didn’t get all that much court time. Donté vacillates between highlight film (some Nash-like dimes in the first half) and goofy Doratio. JT was steady Eddie and then who else is there? Noce? Sergio? Spencer (had a decent game).

This was a game where two bad defenses met up and the better offense won.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 31, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Brilliant last line, Rec

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Good call

Great summary of last night’s game.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Size matters

Yes, there I said it, but I don’t mean the size of your ****, but the size of the players. Most of the time our bigger guys are quick enough to cover the smaller guys they play, but that didn’t seem to work last night…

Our defense had to give the Sixer’s players way too much room. Our bigger guys were too slow to play them tight on the perimeter without getting beat by them going around them to the paint.

I guess the old adage may be true. It isn’t the size that matters, it is what you do with it.

by MustangMBS on Dec 31, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

True, but giving a player a long 2 (the worst percentage in BB), isn't a bad strategy

besides, even quicker guards get beat defending tight, because of screens & picks. We held the 76ers starters to their average ppg. It was the bench that outscored us by 10. And, Carney in particular with his 4/5 from 3pt range.

And, if we had 1 or 2 more guards available, we probably wouldn’t have seen Omri & Donte guarding guards. The real mistake we made is not being able to take more advantage on the offensive side. Donte was too slow posting up and allowed the defense time to help. And, I thought Omri & Donte didn’t have to get all the way to the rim. They could have taken a 8-10 ft shot over their much shorter defenders.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

As one of my old bosses used to say -

“If you have to swallow a turd, don’t chew it on the way down.” I’m chalking this up to just being one of those games, and I’m leaving it in the rear view mirror.

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by section214 on Dec 31, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

it is important to move on, but these young guys

Also need to learn from their repeated mistakes if they hope to minimize their weaknesses. That being said, there is no reason to beat up anyone about it. This season is a learning experience if nothing else.

Also, that is a disgusting thought by your old boss. I will have to use that in the future.

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by Ice_9ine on Dec 31, 2009 10:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Notes from last nights game

I was sitting 3 feet away from Jerry and Grant calling the game. Got a chance to meet and briefly chat with Jerry, and he is a great guy and a class act. I refrained from calling Grant Peaches as I felt that would have probably gotten me tossed out of the game. It was very hard not to though.

Elton Brand talks a lot of shit. He was jawing every time he was out on the floor. When Mancakes was gaurding him he got even worse. It was obvious by his glare and his “who is this crazy white boy” look that he was getting to him. It was awesome to see. I wanted to see more of him in this game.

I was watching Dalembert because of trade speculation and our need for another big man. He was completely innefective with the exception of a few blocked shots. I don’t want him in a Kings uniform.

Sergio was flashy and made some great passes. He seemed to miss a lot at the rim after a great effort to get there. Donte makes watching the game more enjoyable. Hard to explain, but it seems as though one could tell he has a fun personality even when the game is going on. He may be young, but he has a grown ass man’s body and I can tell why there is so much hype surrounding him. He is going to be great.

Omri is a rookie veteran. There was a 1 minute sequence in the first quarter where there was extremely sloppy play on both offense and defense, and the Kings were playing out of control. He got a defensive rebound, and he yelled with a scowl and held on to the ball before passing and allowing the Kings to start the offensive sequence. He displays a tremendous amount of leadership. His constant communication and hard nosed play really makes me excited about how good he will be and the teams future.

JT gave his usual solid effort. Spence was up and down. Overall the Sixers just made too many open jumpers while the kings missed theirs.

by gtrman1973 on Dec 31, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

great post

dalembert would be ok if he was willing to take on a przybilla-style role… unfortunately, he seems to be one of those big men who will “demand his looks” – lack of skills be damned. couple that with terrible hands and a seemingly awful attitude and I will say no no no thanks…

brand must have got 3 loose ball fouls trying to deal with brockman. brockman should have played more in the 2nd half imo.

spencer has one-on-one moves in the post, as we have all seen. however, it appears that his coach, his teammates, and himself have lost all confidence in them. when he gets the ball he is looking to kick. if he’s going to be on the court he needs to get the ball on the low block without other players bringing their men around.

donte and omri, while both having decent to good stats, missed many shots they could have and would have made. we will win these games in the future and it is important to remember where these expectations were 3 months ago. beno, donte AND omri in the starting lineup? you’d have thought a team like that would lose by 40. instead it took the game of the sixers’ season to beat us.

other thoughts:
igoudala is much better than I thought — as long as he never misses a jumper, which it seemed like he didn’t.

the sixers aren’t a horrible shooting team by accident. they were making shots, guarded or not, that they usually miss. I don’t remember rodney carney in the 3 point shootout.

jrue holliday has a long way to go.

I can’t wait to see this team at full strength.

by lchristmas on Dec 31, 2009 11:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

As I said in my pregame post, for the month of December, Philly is shooting 46% FG%

That’s the same as the Kings, although the Kings score about 3 pts more a game. Still 99ppg for Philly in December is pretty good for a lottery team in the East.

With the addition of Iversen and the return of Williams, Philly is a pretty good offensive team. As bte stated above

This was a game where two bad defenses met up and the better offense won

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I called Grant Peaches as he was heading to his car...

Nothing… he had a agitated brisk walk like he was the King of Kings… wife ahead of him already at the car, 3 demon spawn trailing Peaches… even when he is not talking he still comes off all douche like…

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Dec 31, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Insult a man in front of his wife & children, low

I wouldn’t respond to you either.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Did not know...

That the hottie was his wife nor the kids his demon seed until I saw them all at his/hers/their car… all were separated… me thinks was not a happy family at that moment.

Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...

by kromeace on Dec 31, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, never mind,

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget

Garcia is waiting in the wings, and he really could have helped with Philly’s small guards. Omri got owned by AI in the 3rd quarter, and that really allowed the whole team to catch fire, which carried over into the 4th.

And like Lttg said in his fanshot, Omri leaves his man in the corner to help on nobody. I remember Beno did this all the time last year and it killed me every time….but in Omri’s case I think he over compinsates his length

Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."

by Ellimist on Dec 31, 2009 11:59 AM PST reply actions  

Add Noc to that list.

But I though Carney turned the game. With 25 seconds left in the 3rd and the game tied, Carney hit a 3. Then in the first 1:15 seconds of the 4th, Carney hit 2 more 3’s and the Kings were down 9. And, we never recovered.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The exact same defensive set

on Noce the first time and on Casspi on those last two

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I give credit to the Sixers

They were patient on offense and they did a great job of hitting their outside shots. They weren’t always wide open shots either. Yea, the Kings didn’t play a stellar game, but I give credit where credit is due. The Sixers played great basketball last night.
I’m sure their next game they will brick open shot after open shot, but last night they were the better team.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Dec 31, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

Remember when Channing Frye lit us up?

Channing Frye?!?! Our perimeter def is horrendous.

by kingme on Dec 31, 2009 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

I think that has been our defensive philosophy though

Getting tough defensively from the inside out, and keeping lots of bodies in for the defensive rebound opportunities. It doesn’t seem to be doing much for our At the Rim shooting percentage, but we have been effective both inside 10ft and in the 10 to 15 foot range. Whether that is due to the opponent be tempted by the wide open 15+ footers, or being able to make it to the rim once they get inside 15 feet, i’m not sure.

by markdog333 on Jan 1, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

And, it explains why K9 & Brockman get so much PT and the use of the zone. Although I have never agreed the that tactic, because of the drop off in scoring.

I believe our poor pick & roll defense, and double teams, and help defense, pose a bigger problem than rebounding & interior defense. I wish I had a nickel for everytime Spencer had to leave his man to stop penetration.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Jan 1, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

On another note

What little interest I ever had in Dalembert disappeared last night.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

Dalembert is fine for what he is

The problem is the price tag.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

If only

we could land a big man who could both pass and rebound!

by markdog333 on Jan 1, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Vlade come back Vlade!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Jan 1, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I missed the start of the 4th quarter

But the 76ers jumped out quick, and Brockman got a quick hook despite being effective in his other stints. Not sure why. He ended up with eight minutes.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 31, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

The Sixers did a good job on D

They had a block party on Donte when he tried to do too much, and they rotated well to contest our outside shots.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 31, 2009 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

JR mentioned that we weren't posting up Donte correctly

the thought that Casspi did a better job by flashing into the paint and not giving Phillies bigs a chance to react. Donte was getting the ball out side the paint and backing his man to the basket, similiarly to the way Tyreke does it. But, Donte isn’t as fast as Tyreke, and the defense has a chance to react.

I also thought that Sergio and Spencer did a better job of making the entry pass than Beno did. Beno is a SG who can run the pick & pop. And, with Tyreke out, I thought the KIngs would be better off running the offense through Spencer than Beno.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

They were better running it that way

Spencer had 5 assists in 27 minutes and Beno had 2 in 36 minutes. They made more buckets with the help of Spence than Beno.

by MustangMBS on Dec 31, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Can someone please explain this.

I know this is completely off topic, but yesterday after looking at box score, I think only Omri had a plus rating, even though others like JT had a decent game…

Now I’m looking at the box score of the Bulls vs Detroit game, and I see stats like this

C. Atkins 08:16 0-0 0-0 0-0 -5 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0

A. Daye 02:21 0-0 0-0 0-0 +2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Atkins gets -5 for his 2 assits in 8 minutes….while Daye gets +2 for doing what appears to be the most useless 2 minutes of Bball played?

by Slikk_J on Dec 31, 2009 5:14 PM PST reply actions  

It's the score differential during the time they are in the game

So it is impacted by the play of the entire team. The theory is it can tell you whose play impacted the score, but in smaller samples it’s pretty useless.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 31, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Great way of explaining +/-

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It's how many pts scored by his team while he was on the court minus pts scored by other team

If a player enters the came in the final seconds of a quarter, and his team hits a 3pointer, he gets credit for +3 even if he never touches the ball. If he never enters the game again, he will have a +3, even if his team loses by 30, because those were the only points scored while he was on the court.

As CC.Com stated, for one game the stat doesn’t tell you much. Look at the stat half way thru the season, or at the end of the year, and you’ll see who added the most to the team. A defensive stopper can add as much as an offensive star.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 31, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually the +/- stat just states the obvious.

On good teams even bad players have stellar +/- simply because good teams will on most nights outscore their opponents, and have great teammates which flatter the margin, regardless of how he plays his man.

On bad teams, a guy can have a terrible +/- not because of how he plays individually on offense or defense, but that he has lousy teammates or a lousy coach.

They might as well use True Shooting % instead to track the players, since a good offensive player will get his team to be more efficient in scoring (compared to when he doesn’t play), and a good defensive player will make an opponent’s TS% lower than the opponent’s norm.

There's nothing to fear but everything.

by elfboy_ on Dec 31, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

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