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Sacramento's Tough Road Ahead

Without question, the next three weeks of the season will be among the most difficult for the Kings. They will almost certainly be the most important. As Sacramento sits at an improbable 9-8, the opponents get more difficult and the sites more foreign.

But it's not an impossible stretch. None of these games are unwinnable (though Wednesday's game in San Antonio is pretty close, given the rest issues). Of the next 10, tonight's match in Phoenix might be the second most difficult (behind the S.A. game), with the Suns undefeated at home and 14-5 overall. Phoenix has excelled despite a really, really tough schedule -- only this week's defeat to the Knicks and a previous road loss to a CP3-less New Orleans count as "bad losses." The other three defeats? At Orlando, at the Lakers, at Cleveland. Meanwhile, the Kings have one road win all year. You see the problem.

I'm confident the Kings will add to that road win total soon, but maybe not for a couple weeks. And the next team visiting ARCO (Miami on Sunday) comes in full of fire after a devastating loss to the Lakers last night, and with more rest than the Kings. Given that Sacramento hasn't proven any road win can be guaranteed, the team has one real "highly likely" victory in the next three weeks: a home game against the Wolves.

In other words, no matter how the Kings play, this could get ugly quickly. There's something to be said for beating lesser teams, as the Kings have (for the most part) this year. This team is so much better than last season's version, no matter what happens from here. But don't get it twisted: it's going to get rough. There will be losses, perhaps blow-out losses. There might be losing streaks. I'd love to be surprised, but a sense of realism dictates the realization that reality is working against the Kings. With no Kevin Martin, beating the Hornets, the Knicks, the Nets, the Pacers ... that's improbable, perhaps, but believable. With no Kevin Martin, beating the Suns? The Heat? The Spurs? The Hornets on the road? It's much less likely, unfortunately.

I hate to be a downer, but as high as these wins have taken our spirits, we should prepare for the slide. This team probably won't be above .500 a week from now, and that's OK. The team is improving. The rookies are incredible. The prospects are developing. The program is building. Things are going according to plan, and the fight will still be on when the dust settles.

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not being a downer, it’s being a realist. This team, although surprising so far, is still a young team. The teams they’ve played aren’t exactly the best teams in the NBA. There’s going to be a drop off, and it’s going to be fine. As long as the team doesn’t lose any confidence, and plays hard in every game like they have been, they’ll be fine, no matter what their record is..

by Dub_TC on Dec 5, 2009 6:47 AM PST reply actions  

Have to agree with what_the here

I am delighted by what has been accomplished but the recently polished shiny veneer will start to dull.

Not by much however. As TZ points out and w_t_c adds this is a young team that has performed at a respectable level. Beating the teams you are supposed to beat (after last season, that would be none, this season it is the rest of the lower 1/3 of the League) is exceeding the hope.

Here’s the thing: this Kings team plays hard, but not always well. The coaching has worked because there are wins. The predictions make sense that this team will falter with a series of road losses. But if you add all of that up, this team will also grab a few improbable victories.

As a Kings fan, this season is about getting better. That means playing with the scrappy/gritty style we fans adore. Compete even if you can’t contend. And if that isn’t good enough for your fanhood, you are going to be disappointed.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 5, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

I’ve been extremely happy with the product this year. I love watching this team play. I think you’re right, too ….. they will have a few improbable victories against a really good team. I don’t think the rest of America really knows how respectable this team is now, and they’re going to surprise someone one night (like the Lakers, Cavs, Celtics).

by Dub_TC on Dec 5, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I guarantee we beat the Lakers at least once this year

"She's kinda got cankles, our kids are gonna have to play soccer." ~ Mrs. "Disco" Hayes

by CaliforniaJag on Dec 5, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The Kings have always had trouble with Miami

Just can’t beat Miami anywhere no matter how bad Miami is.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Dec 5, 2009 7:47 AM PST reply actions  

I'm still optimistic

But all these points are certainly valid. There are really four general steps in gauging the rebuilding of this team IMO – first is to win consistently at home (check), the second is to beat good teams at home (TBD), third is to get road wins against weaker or middle of the road teams (definitely not there yet), and lastly is to be competitive and win games against higher level teams on the road (way off in the distance).

So I’m excited about the next three weeks, to see where this team is – if they continue to play with the same effort, I think they will do well enough.

"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans

by otis29 on Dec 5, 2009 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

Ye of little faith
This team is so much better than last season’s version, no matter what happens from here. But don’t get it twisted: it’s going to get rough. There will be losses, perhaps blow-out losses. There might be losing streaks. I’d love to be surprised, but a sense of realism dictates the realization that reality is working against the Kings. With no Kevin Martin, beating the Hornets, the Knicks, the Nets, the Pacers … that’s improbable, perhaps, but believable. With no Kevin Martin, beating the Suns? The Heat? The Spurs? The Hornets on the road? It’s much less likely, unfortunately.

I hate to be a downer, but as high as these wins have taken our spirits, we should prepare for the slide. This team probably won’t be above .500 a week from now, and that’s OK.

The team has definitely surprised the “realists” to this point, and I think they will continue to surprise us.

I’m looking forward to seeing Tyreke cover some of the best players in the league and for the Kings to continue to shock the nation.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 5, 2009 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

I am a realist -

leaning heavily towards optimist, and I had this team at 9-7 at the end of November. I also have this team at 31-51 at the end of the season. Does that makes me – a 20 year seaon ticket holder, a person who spends a huge portion of his free (and I do mean free) time writing, commenting and pondering on the KIngs – a person of little faith? Does it make me bipolar? Can one not have a practical point of view without being called one of little faith? This is rubbish of the highest order.

To insinuate that TZ has little faith may be the most idiotic thing that I’ve seen anyone try to convey here (and I’ve read stuff around here that says we should trade Kevin Martin for expiring contract!). Now if I read this wrong, I apologize. But I came to this conclusion that you were saying that Ziller had little faith because the thread comment quoted him and the reply was to the original post, and the title of the response was “Ye of little faith”.

I know that Ziller won’t respond to this, as he has way too much class. I am not tethered by such restraints. I call crapola on you.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 5, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

He just used the wrong box

He should have stuck with his kindergarten set

by MustangMBS on Dec 5, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I'

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Dec 5, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought that coolcat was teasing Ziller.

I thought he was making light of the realist post. I think Ziller is absolutely correct and this team will have big swings becuase it is filled with young players. It really reminds me of the team during the lockout-shortened season a learn-on-the-fly team.

I predicted 30 wins at the end of the season based on drafted a quality rookie(s) and employing a quzlity coach. So far I underestimated the coach and the rookie(s), but the team as a whole is playing excellently. I almost fear any change in our currently healthy players.

by mayfieldcol on Dec 5, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Big time over reaction Section

I was thinking of using the same intro and then going to my projected 23 wins as a so called “realistic” fan who had little faith in the team at the beginning of the season. There were a bunch of us. I don’t have any greater insight to CCRDC mind than you do but until I read your response I thought it was a throw off line and still do.

As for me, yeah the schedule is kind of brutal. I would consider it a great month if we beat the teams we are supposed to beat, primarily Minny and Philly, steal a win from one of the teams that are supposed to beat us and finish the month still scrapping

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on Dec 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

If I missed some underlying sarcasm,

then the apology that I included stands.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 5, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

well there is that (sarcasm)

but I didn’t take coolcat’s comment as nearly the negative attack against TZ’s fan CV as you did Section. As often and well as TZ posts, seriously no one could. Coolcat’s comments have been much more moderate (and often positive) this season and much less rox homer than in season’s past. Let’s just leave it here.

k?

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on Dec 5, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

To me it was classic CC

Snarky, but not full fledged.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 5, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Soft.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 8, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Things are not going according to plan`

Things are going better than the plan.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Dec 5, 2009 8:27 AM PST reply actions  

Let's not overrate the competition

The Knicks have been looking like YMCA team much of year, and they whipped the Suns. When this happens to bad to mediocre team, the first reaction is to conclude those guys suck. For example, the Bobcats lost to the 0-18 Nets? Those guys suck! When a top echelon team loses, the reaction is along the lines of better watch out for them (Suns) next game. The Suns game versus the Knicks was the ‘next game’, as they were previously routed by the Cavs. My reaction to a blowout is to conclude chinks in the armor exists, and there is game tape coaches, PW and crew, can analysis to find areas to exploit, and mirror some of the successful strategy, if possible. (The Knicks employed a soft trap against Steve Nash that was effective much of the game.)

We can compete with the Suns and the Heat. I predict a big win on Sunday! The cream of the crop in the NBA is the Celtics (9-1 on road, stifling defense), the L*kers (biggest frontline in history of basketball), the Magic, and the Cavs. That’s four teams, 3 in the East, of whom we only see twice.

Other playoff-caliber teams trying to get to elite level are a notch or two below the rest IMO (Spurs, Heat, Suns, Hawks, Nuggets, Mavs, Bulls, Blazers, Thunder.) These teams have a superstar talent which makes them highly formidable, but their supporting cast is hot-and-cold and no better than ours. I put us in this group next year with the ascent of Tyreke to superstar, and K-Mart as unstoppable second option.

The 15 teams I did not mention above are all on par with us or worse, and can be beat at home or road. That’s half the league, and a lot of winnable games.

One thought regarding our relatively tough upcoming schedule. Is there a reason Noce cannot raise his level of play? I think he can! We need him to play at higher level. As far as I am concerned, he is getting a lot of great looks. His shot has been inconsistent. If he can deliver a few more 8-14 and 6 for 10 shooting nights, and fewer 3 for 9 type shooting nights, the court opens for all involved. The Kings as road warriors will be a site to behold.

Tonight and tomorrow I’d guess Ime Udoka will see time against Steve Nash and Dwayne Wade. He needs to pester, foul without getting called for it ;), harass, and fight through every screen like Sean May to the front of a buffet line. If he wants to make a shot, that wouldn’t be a bad idea either.

by bench_blob on Dec 5, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with you TZ

The month of January is even harder in terms of the quality of opponents. I think its safe to say that if the Kings can remain at .500 through December and January, they’re making the playoffs, mainly because they would have shown they could be a tougher quality of opponent, and the schedule is easier from there. I doubt it will happen though.

One things for sure though, I expect the team to show a lot of heart in these games, and as long as they’re doing that, I don’t mind.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Dec 5, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

Anything more than 25 wins is still a successful season

Although admittedly, getting half of them before the new year begins would make for a long winter and spring.

What’s the over/under on the gentle ball-fondling of Kevin Martin by the haters once a losing streak begins?

“Trade him for Chris Bosh and then….now wait, I LOVE HIM.”

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Dec 5, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

No they'll blame him for being injured

and that’s why the Kings are losing.

Then when he comes back they’ll blame him for throwing off the chemistry.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Dec 5, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I just want to know what happens when we win tonight which we will 106 to 102. It’s going to be a high action game, but in the grand scheme of things if JT stays out of foul trouble and Spencer plays like he has the last couple games Frye can’t guard him and Nash is crafty, but will not be able to handle Reke either. Suns are good, but a little over rated even if they are at home. We could play well or get killed, but I say we win to add to the surprise of everyone

by dj3ptspecialist44 on Dec 5, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

Well
I just want to know what happens when we win tonight which we will 106 to 102.

Well, if we win tonight, Kings fans like myself will be pretty happy, and the team will be 10-8. And if you’re as confident as you seem, you’ll be a few bucks richer.

by Tom Ziller on Dec 5, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You're name's not Tim is it?

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Dec 5, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Hahahahahaha

I love it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Off topic

Kentucky JOHN WALL on tube now v. NC: His speed in open court is ridiculous. Often I say don’t believe the hype. But with this guy, believe the hype!

by bench_blob on Dec 5, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

First time I've seen him play

Holy crap he has long arms. He’s like Evans+inssane hops.

by nbrans on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The beginning of an epic romance...

GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims

by iashwash on Dec 5, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I will tell you what is incredible about this guy. His athleticism is off the charts, but what makes him really special is he has two dominant hands. He is as comfortable with the ball in the right hand as the left. In fact if you watch him play, until he shoots, its hard to tell if he is a lefty or righty. A lot of his flying jams, lay-ups and dribble drives are with the left-hand. He shoots right-handed. I haven’t seen a player with this type of ambidexterity, if that’s a word, since Steve Nash.

And in terms of speed, John Wall makes Brandon Jennings look like Beno Udrih.

He cramped up half way through the game, and wasn’t the same. The first half he was relentless.

by bench_blob on Dec 5, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you think John Wall ever shuts up?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea

by pookeyguru on Dec 5, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting perspectives

It seems that the teams that hurt us most have a dominant or at least damned good low post presence. They capitalize on the lacking depth in our roster in ways that even PW’s creativity is limited in being able to address.

In looking at the low post I think we have the edge on them. We have some athletic young guys who are making great strides and they just aren’t that big. Can we defend against Amare Stoudemire? I hope so… Should be interesting to see if his Brockness can smack him down and make it hurt too much, but then he probably isn’t quick enough… JT and Spence may be able to hang. We will see it K9 gets some burn.

On point I think that we can compete against them with our trifecta and I would love to see us out-phoenix them with Captain Serge taking PG into overdrive. Evans may given them fits, especially if Noc, Bomri, or Donte’s 3s start dropping and they gets hot, opening up the lane a bit.

I don’t think the Phoenix game is unwinnable as you clearly point out TZ, none of these games are unwinnable your attempt to moderate expectations. This may be needed for some of the underbridge dweller who malign attempts at perspective, but then again nothing seems to really help there anyway.

Winning depends on two things. If we miss a ton of shots we will get killed on transition. If we have a ton of TOs we get killed on transition. Value the ball boys and make them count!

by MustangMBS on Dec 5, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

Stoudemire is a Kings killer

I don’t think we’ve ever been able to contain him. I just hope JT doesn’t get into foul trouble early. I definitely could see K-9 getting some burn.

Evans could have an awesome game because Phoenix really has no interior presence.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Dec 5, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

He is a tough one to handle, but I guess I remain positive… I agree though, let Jewbacca at him :)

I forgot about that and want to see it. I think he may be quick enough and I hope his intensity makes up for lack of strength.

by MustangMBS on Dec 5, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll be at work when the preview comes up most likely

So just thought I’d drop this quote from Paul Westphal from the preseason game against the Suns:

“We have to tell him ‘Hey Omri, back off a little bit,’” Westphal said after Tuesday night’s exhibition game against the Phoenix Suns. “He wanted to guard (Amar’e) Stoudemire. ’I’ll stop him, I’ll stop him.’ Not tonight Omri. Save that for the regular season.”

It’s regular season time. Unleash Jewbacca!

Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.

by Aykis16 on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

Omri vs Goliath..Get that slingshot out Omri and prepare to take that Giant down!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Dec 5, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll be happy if he can stop Hill.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 5, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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by edm7 on Dec 5, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

14-0 the rest of the month!

:)
Tempering expectations is probably a good idea – but I still think the guys go 6-8 the rest of the month.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 5, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

Now january?

(don’t ask)
It looks like a probable rough month – but who knows wat the situation will be by then?
I’m trying to not look too far forward, its a young team and thins are changing all the time.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 5, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

this Phoenix game will be

Tyreke’s blow up for 40 or 50. They have nobody to stop him. Our bigs have to hit a couple Js, continue to rebound (the Suns are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league.) I think the Kings will out rebound and over all out hustle the Suns, who are reeling still from 2 bad losses. Sacramento has a deeper bench than Phoenix. The Kings could really pop the Suns in the mouth this game. And Evans will lead the charge.

Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Vonnegut

by Ice_9ine on Dec 5, 2009 11:41 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

They're a tough out at home

or anywhere.
If they don’t run you out of the building, and they’ll try coming off some tough losses, you have a shot.
You can’t have a bad quarter against those guys or they’ll put up 40 – so we’ll see.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 5, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Tough road ahead indeed

I’ve said it before that I’m going to try my best to judge this team by their play and not by their record in this upcoming months. I think if they play well and continue to do what they’ve been doing they Ws will come. I’d definitely won’t cry if we lose to better teams and won’t whine if the kids have a bad showing from time to time.

I think we can still get some nice quality wins but we are still long ways away from beating good teams on a consistent basis. I actually think Phoenix is not a terrible matchup for us and if a couple things go our way we could steal one.

I’m very excited about the net couple months. It;s going to be great to see how the coaching staff and these young guys adjust to playing much better competition. I’d certainly be more excited about staying in games, playing great, and maybe losing against the best teams in the league than playing average and beating the bad teams.

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by edm7 on Dec 5, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

couldn't have said it better myself ed

seriously, I really couldn’t. That be some fine ass commenting young son. Had to give you a rec

"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson

by Bluejohn on Dec 5, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

Wheres the law of attraction (positive energy)?

Why are we whining making excuses…oh without KM etc…..We will still play tough, still have some good games against the best teams in the league. Im pumped to see what we can do to these contender teams.

If we lose, I’m not gonna be ashamed.

I think Sactown has a few more surprises left for us.

Stay tuned!

by Slikk_J on Dec 6, 2009 1:13 AM PST reply actions  

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